Watch Unsane squirm...

By WhichWing | November 5, 2007 - 09:43 ET

Not only Unsane, but all the other people that swear up and down Ron Paul wins all the polls following debates because of spammers.

Some of you may of heard about the drive to raise money for Ron Paul on November 5th. Well it looks like those spammers have some cash too, look at what has happened so far:

Around midnight - $2,773,017

Around 7 o'clock - $3,630,294

Now, 8:40 AM - $3,899,232

So that's 1.1 million before 9 AM.

And this day was not planned or organized by the campaign. No mention is made of it on the website. This is just a grassroots campaign to support the man that supports the Constitution.

If you feel like playing along, check the meter and include the current total when you post either in support or opposition of Ron Paul.

 

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Anyone watching? 10:25 AM

Anyone watching? 10:25 AM - $4,303,547

 

 

Question for anyone?

Is the amount of money reported by the candidates that do this actual money transfered to them or is it a total of the pledges?

Jerry M... I heard Wolf

Jerry M...

I heard Wolf ask the reporter who was talking about this late yesterday afternoon if it was pledges or real money already out i.e. credit cards ect....

She did not know for sure...she left it sort of vague but made it sound as if it was real money in...won't know til after this quarter is over at the end of dec...so not til Jan.

I want to know who is the main critter behind this all...very curious.

Here's one way that RP

Here's one way that RP supporters are gaming the system. This one has to do with telephone text voting. Enjoy!

"Phone companies make lots of money on SMS. SMS is probably the only profitable at any unit of measurement service wireless phone companies have on their networks. To encourage those interested in sending SMS messages to phone company customers, most of companies offer access to SMS gateways over internet - my program connects to SMS gateway and pumps out messages in a form of 'destination number'->sms message. I pay the phone company a fraction of a cent to access their gateway and whoever receives the message gets billed their per-message rate, typically somewhere between $0.05-$0.25 depending on a plan.

Pretty much every gateway allows its user to generate unique ids ( which in the handset-to-handset SMS messages are phone numbers assigned to the handset ). Since virtually every company doing vote-by-SMS polls is connected via a reverse gateway ( short message code ), process is reversed. So some enterprising person that has access to SMS gateway simply sends a pile of "votes" to the polling company's SMS gateway and with a few dollars he can vote a few hundred thousand times."

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And you have 0 proof, still!!

Just how hard would it be for Faux News, which is obviously VERY motivated against RP, to call-up text voters (or just text them) and ask "did you really vote for Ron Paul in our poll, or is someone gaming the system???" ALL you've proven is that internet SMS gateways exist. Duh. What you have yet to prove is how that equals fraud on the part of Ron Paul supporters. In fact, you've abjectly-failed at providing even the faintest shred of that proof, unless I missed something (please correct me).

Otherwise, please explain our meetups, our funding, our straw poll dominance, or any of the various other ways we rock in terms of said alleged fraud. You can't. And you will not admit it, if my guess is right. But the fact remains: You can't. Period.
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Sarc

just how hard would it be for Faux News, which is obviously VERY motivated against RP

Didn't you recently admit that Foxnews & Fox Business both gave RP fair interviews?

This is true. Most of the

This is true. Most of the interviews done by Fox have been very fair. The debates not so much. Unfortunately, the debates generally have a larger audience.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

the debates generally have a larger audience.

the debates generally have a larger audience.

I haven't seen any viewership numbers for the debates, but that 's probably right. The Fox Biz interview was in the morning so I would expect it had a smaller audience than the evening debates.

Yep.

But their biased performance in the "debates," especially Hannity's lie I busted with help from others here who included Colmes in the lie (nobody still believes it was incompetence, ok??) make up for that minimal fairness. As we've raised more (potential ad-buying...) money, they've shown a hell of a lot more respect. What a shocker -- knock me over with a feather.

And my question remains unanswered. I repeat: How hard would it be for Fox News, which is the epitome of journalistic fairness and balance and investigative skill I'm sure, to randomly-call these supposedly-fraudulent text phone poll voters and DO THEIR JOBS? If there's proven fraud, I'll condemn it instead of making fun of the unproven accusations, like I've been repeatedly doing when dimwits treat accusations as proof. It's obviously easy to hurl accusations, but absent proof those accusations don't get too much respect from the likes of me. Want me to admit to & condemn fraud? Prove it.

Hell, my cellphone was UNABLE to vote in the poll in question because Fox News increased the price of that particular text-message, so I got 0 votes in, instead of my usual 1. The recent money-bomb functions as my disproof of all "clear" thinker's BS-accusations against this Republican campaign regarding SMS gateways. Yesterday's contributions are a matter of FECal record, go look 'em up if you doubt me, so I've got proof of what I claim. Where's his???
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I gotta agree with Sarc here

I gotta agree with Sarc here on the fact that just because something can be done doesn't necessarily mean it has been done.  For example, murder *is* possible.  That does not mean, however, that all odd deaths are 100% proven murders.  Just because theft is possible, does not prove that an accused thief has indeed committed theft.  I'm not saying all Ron Paul wins in web-polls were won fairly, but I'm also not saying they were not.  I agree with Sarc, if you want to *prove* that the poll was won via cheating or multiple votes from one person, quit hurling accusations and go after the truth.  Don't point the finger unless you have evidence.  And no, 'Ron Paul couldn't POSSIBLY win the poll!' is not justifiable 'evidence.'

Round #2... Another way

Round #2...

Another way RP's supporters are gaming the system. This has to do with spamming, which is illegal.

If Texas congressman Ron Paul is elected president in 2008, he may be the first leader of the free world put into power with the help of a global network of hacked PCs spewing spam, according to computer-security researchers who've analyzed a recent flurry of e-mail supporting the long-shot Republican candidate.

"This is clearly a criminal act in support of a campaign, which has been committed with or without their knowledge," says Gary Warner, the University of Alabama at Birmingham's director of research in computer forensics. "The question is, will we see more and more of this, or will this bring shame to the campaigns and will they make clear that this is not a form of acceptable behavior by their supporters?" Warner pointed to provisions of the federal Can-Spam Act.

Some participants in the online political world have long suspected Paul's technically sophisticated fan base of manipulating online tools and polls to boost the appearance of a wide base of support. But the UAB analysis is the first to document any internet shenanigans.

The finding is significant, because Paul's online support -- as gauged by blog mentions, friends on social-networking sites such as MySpace and popularity in online polls -- has garnered him wide mainstream print and television coverage, despite his relatively poor performance in offline polling.

 

 

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Too-stupid...

And you already lost round 1 above. See Daily Paul for source/purpose of the spam.
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SARC'S still mad about

SARC'S still mad about getting thumped last week. 

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Thumped??

Refresh me... But first, answer me. And be assured, I'm not mad, I'm amused.
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Try this on for size Clear

Try this on for size Clear Thinker:

5:35 pm - $5,735,533

That's $3 million so far TODAY. Now that's gaming the system!!

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

(yawn)

(yawn)

You forgot to include the

You forgot to include the current total. Now $6,034,652. Almost $300,000 in 20 minutes.

 

. . . and these means what

. . . and these means what to anyone?

 

Only a fool is impressed by big numbers. -- Robert A. Heinlen

It means those spammers have

It means those spammers have alot of money. And Romney's one day fundraising record in this campaign of $3.1 million is about to be shattered. (Current total - $6,097,578 -- $3.3 million since midnight)

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Thing is, unless it

Thing is, unless it translates to primary votes, all that money won't mean a thing.

 

Meanwhile, whoever the nominee is (even if it's Ron Paul), we all had better vote for them or else we get President Hillary.

Why do most people think

Why do most people think money translates to primary votes in all cases except for Ron Paul? This money shows the support he has out there. This money DOES translate into primary votes.

I'm in the camp that thinks no other Republican will be able to beat Hillary besides Ron Paul. (Opinions, I got tons of 'em)

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Isolationist vs. Isolationist

Let's see here..pick between a candidate who wants the United States to be more isolationist than North Korea AND a whiny, pathetic, defenseless nation, or a Socialist who wants America to be a whiny, pathetic, defenseless nation.

Some choice. 

Oh, and the money, the straw polls, all of this, means NOTHING until you win a respectable number of delegates.  When THAT happens, watch me squirm.  Until then, we REALLY need to just hold the election, just to make sure your God really deserves a chance. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

You've begun to pull me away

You've begun to pull me away from Ron Paul, but in who's direction should I go now? I mean I don't really want a whiny, pathetic, defenseless nation, nor am I interested in a Socialist government, so who's my man? I need your advice Unsane, or these Ron Paul nuts might pull me back in again.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

The #1 issue

I have a range of candidates.  The one thing I am waiting on before committing myself to any is electability. 

But my #1 issue is foreign policy.  That instantly disqualifies the Dems...AND Paul.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Give me some hope Unsane,

Give me some hope Unsane, who comes closest to meeting your standards? I'd gladly accept your top 3.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

#1 is Unsane of the Unsane Party

Unsane is THE best choice - but I suspect that Unsane's "sorry, we tried" diplomacy will make you very squeamish. 

In no particular order: Giuliani, Romney, Thompson.  There are some others I find intriguing.  But those are the top three.  All have major pluses and minuses.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Thanks, I appreciate your

Thanks, I appreciate your straight forward answer.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Unsane, I probably prefer

Unsane,

I probably prefer Fred right now, but I hope whoever is nominated makes a strong choice for veep, Hunter would be good, or, (should I dream it?) Condi Rice.

While I agree electability is perhaps tops as to who I favor, SCOTUS, and other judicial appointments are a very close second, perhaps 1b.

Electability

Electability will be a huge plus in the primaries.  (Sure, I might like them, but I want that candidate to win it all at some point.)  Be aware of one thing: SCOTUS appointments are almost always a total crapshoot.  Just look at Bush the Elder's appointments: on the upside: Clarence Thomas.  The downside: David Souter. 

Eisenhower once said he made three bad decisions during his presidency: and all three were on the Supreme Court.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Sure, they are a crapshoot,

Sure, they are a crapshoot, but I would rather the appointments be made by a Republican, especially if they were to come in a first term and said Republican didn't want to piss off his base and get screwed on a second.

Concur!

No arguments here... 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

You know What? WhichWing?

I don't think Dr. Paul has a hope in hell of doing anything substantial in the primaries, but I am happy for all of his supporters.

I really admire the enthusiasm you all have for him.  I wish I were that enthused about my candidate at this point (the one I haven't selected yet).

So good luck, and enjoy your ride.  You & Sarc are obviously having alot of fun with it. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Well thanks Blonde. Over $3

Well thanks Blonde. Over $3 million in one day, does that do anything to convince you he has a chance in the primaries?

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Uhhh no, not a snowballs

Uhhh no, not a snowballs chance in hell. 

The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.

 

12 am eastern -

12 am eastern - $2,773,017

10 pm eastern - $6,639,446

Shiver me timbers, its getting cold in here.

 

Huh?

Since when were convention delegates bought, rather than voted on in primaries?

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

You've got me again. More

You've got me again. More than 35,000 people donating in one day to one man should never have given me the impression that that one man could possibly win some delegates for the national convention.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Not impressed

So you admit that this crowing about all this fundraising is meaningless, and that we should just go ahead and hold the primaries, just to make sure? 

(35,000 people in a nation of 300 million?  Not impressed.) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I think deep down you

I think deep down you already know this, but all this shows nothing more than the fact that Ron Paul is a legitimate candidate that has the support of MANY people.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Huh?

Many people?  35,000 people out of a nation of 300,000,000? 

Again, not impressed.

But, let's see how legitimate your God is.  Let's hold the election, just to see how well he is supported. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

You may not be impressed

But it remains a record number of people doing that on a single day. And all the "your God" and "Cult" stuff really does sound as dimwitted as I said earlier. It's blatantly stupid...But I guess it's easier to call names (0 thought required!) than address issues, or admit it honestly when we set records...
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0 thought required

Just as 0 thought is required in dodging my legitimate criticisms of Paul.  His "Hide From The Big Bad World And It Will Go Away" approach to foreign policy is...well, flaky, at best, and idiotic at WORST.  And really, must you, to quote Sarcasmo, "whine like a little girl" about an activity YOU indulge in repeatedly: name-calling?  It is amusing to me to see you argue exactly like the Leftists you so claim to despise.

And as much as it pains you, 35,000 out of 300 MILLION is not impressive.  Oh, what the hell, I will spot you 200 million, estimating that about 100 million votes are cast in the general election on average.  Let's run it through a calculator...

0.00035%

Nope.  Still not impressed. 

 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Someone, hopefully Unsane,

Someone, hopefully Unsane, explain how we are any less safe with out military on our soil. Wouldn't this make us more safe? If someone has broken into my house, I will stay home and defend it and my wife. But I suppose you would leave the wife home alone while you go out on the hunt?

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Really?

NO military on our soil?  Then what am I doing here?

Explain, for starters: Ft. Sam Houston, Lackland AFB, Randolph AFB, and Brooks City Base. 

(Finally, this is a deep concept that is simply too difficult for you to grasp: by keeping threats far from home, we worry less.  The best defense is a good offense.  We are not 300 million sheep waiting to be slaughtered, as you so badly want the United States to be.) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Still not impressed right back atcha

And it's still a record, so quit all YOUR girly-whines, for once, and admit it.
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Stop whining says the Lord of all Whiners

Please continue to accuse me of what you routinely do.   

Still not impressed.  I am a very hard person to impress on a good day.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Funny...

That's what they told me about his old friend. I didn't believe them back then, and I don't believe you right now. Hell, Fox News just said it was $4.2 MILLION in 24 hours. (At least Blonde is being mature about our candidate's obvious greatness -- others could learn from her unbiased honesty & good attitude!)
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And...

all this is well and good, shows he's got some sort of support, however I don't foresee myself aligning with an individual with all the Truther, 9/11 was an inside job, Islamic apeasement, the Holocaust denier crowd that seems to revolve around him.

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Those "crowds"

(Which are apparently more fun to discuss than the issues!) are not big enough to raise these millions, but we'll take all their votes anyway, thanks. :) And if there were so-much alleged hate in this movement, how come we're doin' SO damn-well with black voters, unlike other Republicans? Like I already said, we DO diversity, we don't just yammer about it. Dr. Paul has already made his views clear on those and other issues in his writing, which is widely-available.
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I know, I know

(http://www.chron.com...) Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.

Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

Yes his views are QUITE clear from what I've seen to this point and as I've said before, I'm really not for aligning myself with someone that calls me and occupier and that 9/11 was and inside job.....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Your article is 404

And your points have been repeatedly-addressed. Why not show the guts I show. Go to take on my side if you think we're so-evil. Make points. See if you can take the Daily Paul on like I take you folks all on here on this turf, repeatedly. It's not that hard for me, so see how you like it. You can address these guys for the military, these guys for Israel, etc. It'll be fun for you, I'm sure.
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Sorry...

I don't have the "guts" to stand with someone like this, nor would I wish to. I never said anywhere I thought anyone was evil, that's your input. I've made points...The main one being I'm not going to stand with someone as this, plain and simple. I could care less about the "movement", especially when it involves these types.....just me....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

That's fine. Just like...

I won't stand with Rudy. I've made points, too...
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That's your right....

and perogative. Just making my claim as an individual that I care not to be aligned with an apeaser who gets support from these types and won't be misled that he isn't....Just my $0.02...

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

And

I care not to be associated with a mobster who has a proven record as an authoritarian control-freak, or with taxhikeMike for that matter. I'm excited, and we're winning. :)

Oh, and if we're such haters, I wonder how to explain our reaction to this girl and her reaction to us at the successful Leno appearance the other day? I guess the tiny minority just didn't show up or something.
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Injecting your own words...

yet again. Please show me where I've called you or any of your followers "haters" or "evil". Why do you insist on plugging that in when that's not what was said. All I did was provide statements and links, nothing more, nothing less. As stated, again and again, I care not for those who think 9/11 was an inside job, look for apeasement with the facist Islamic movement and call me an occupier. See, nothing in there calling you "evil" or a "hater".

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

So trying to link us to David Duke ISN'T

An implication, at least, that we're haters. Wow. Keep it up, keep diggin'!!
JMR

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Didn't have to...

dig at all. Just stating what is there. If you feel this, this is calling you a hater, we'll maybe it's time to put on the big boy pants. You can run around with a funny hat on for all I care, doesn't mean I'm going to call you a clown unless you act like one.....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Likewise.

This "clown" made your argument look as silly as it IS. Thank you.
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You're right...

My argument against a Twoofer, hugger of Holocaust deniers, aligner with 9/11 insiders was totally blown away...I imagine you are trying to imply that I called you a clown also....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Huh??

Your assertions don't hold up under the glare of facts. Go look it up, or go take-on the Daily Paul. And what you've said/implied is clear. And clearly-amusing proof people are upset with our success. :) Keep it up...
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Predictions Sarc?

Any predictions when your Cult will overtake Rudy in the polls?

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

Cult?

Explain how a "Cult" can do what we've done. Hell, we can even, with comments, turn a mediocre-at-best, poorly-written Rolling Stone article good!! As for predictions, I have limited respect for those that don't lose someone money, and in THAT measure, Ron Paul's already in the big leagues, and has been for a LONG time, like it or not. Examine the overseas bookies to verify, the free market reigns over hot wind every time.
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Sarc

Would you like to answer my question now?

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

I already did.

See above.
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Uhh... no. You didnt.

Uhh... no. You didnt.

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

This is odd....

And this is quite interesting: Now it turns out that some of the money that Paul is raising may be coming from overseas as well. Check out this post (http://www.ronpaulfo...):

-Unfortunately only Americans can donate due to election laws.
Unless you can find a Ron Paul supporter in the US, that you trust, that you may want to "BUY" something from at a very inflated price. :P

-I know you can't donate to the campaign, but you can donate to individual Americans. Money is always of concern and your meetup groups want to help, we could sure use it. We need to do all kinds of advertising - television/print/radio I'm pretty sure that if you wanted to, you could send your money to a trusted American and ask THEM to donate to the campaign I'm sure there are many ways that we could put your money to use that would help us get Ron Paul's campaign an asist.

-I'd be willing to be a collection point (if you will) to distribute funds for various advertising projects, or to the campaign if that is what you wanted. PM me if you are interested.

Check out some of the comments to the WaPo article (http://blog.washingt...) on his fundraising:

-I am a Republican and voted for Bush (sorry U.S.A.) but recently woke up to the fact that our country is in danger of turning into a fascist state, with global bankers pulling the puppet strings.

-i voted for kerry last time in hopes that he would put and end to the bush bulls**t, but as usual the do nothing dems did nothing. go ron paul you have my vote any day over the neocon hillary

-I said I would NEVER vote for a Republican again - but I would vote for Mr. Paul before that "other" Republican, Hillary Clinton.

If not, I will support Edwards or Obama.

Go Ron Paul!

-Pali, why don't you just get chipped now so the government can track you like cattle. Bahhh-bahhh, you're as retarded as the others who will vote for Romney or Clinton. Protest while you can! If Dr. Paul looses this election no dissent will be tolerated. The North American Empire will be one step closer to accomplishing their goals of destroying the middle class.

(http://www.ronpaulfo...)A guy over in the UK bought some tshirts from me, and "inadvertently" added $20 to the order. So whadya know, when it came time to contribute again to Ron Paul, I had an extra $20 to spare. Go figure.

(http://www.ronpaulfo...)I'm taking donation from Foriegn Nationals at marchacrossamerica so far we have had a great response...you just have to let them know you are out there.

(http://www.ronpaulfo...)Here are a few things that I would suggest for foreigners who would like to help with the campaign. Contact the organizers of RP Meetup groups, maybe in a favorite American city of yours if you have one. Student ones are even better, students are always broke! They are also more likely than older supporters to plaster signs and stickers everywhere. See if they would like to receive a box of stickers, signs, etc. Order some merchandise and have it shipped to them.

Interesting indeed.....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

I and various others...

Have told them they can't do this. It's only allowed for Hillary! :) But seriously, I'm sure the campaign is trying to prevent illegal activity like this, but part of it begs another question...Why do we have so-many foreign fans? It's as if the Constitution has worldwide fans...
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And You Can't Forget...

at least a small slice of the White Supremacist Movement too!:

This comes from Lone Star Times: http://lonestartimes...

A LoneStarTimes.com investigation has conclusively established that a leading figure in the American neo-Nazi / White-Supremacist movement has provided financial support to Ron Paul’s 2008 Presidential campaign.
The individual in question is Don Black, the founder, owner and operator of Stormfront (http://www.stormfron...), a “white power” website that both professional journalists (http://www.usatoday....) and watch-dog groups (http://www.splcenter...)have identified as the premier English-language racist/hate-site on the Internet.
~~~
- Black proudly and openly identifies himself as Stormfront’s guiding hand (http://www.stormfron...), and publishes a contact address on the Internet– PO Box 6637, West Palm Beach, FL, 33405

- A search by LST of public databases indicates that there is only one “Don Black” residing in West Palm Beach, Florida, zip code 33405

- A 7/16/01 USA Today article identifies Black’s wife as being named “Chloe” ( http://www.usatoday....)

- That same article (http://www.usatoday....)identifies Chloe as being the ex-wife of close Black associate and former “Grand Wizard” of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke

- Minutes of a 9/7/07 City of West Palm Beach code-compliance hearing (http://www.cityofwpb...)identify “Chloe H. Duke” as owning a residential property located at 203 Lakeland Drive

- According to Federal Election Commission records (http://disclosure.ni...), on 9/30/07 the Ron Paul presidential campaign received a $500 contribution from a Mr. Don Black, who lists his address as 203 Lakeland Drive and identifies his occupation as “self-employed/website manager”

Just saying.......nothing to see here....move along....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Just like Bush with Daniel Carver, eh??

Just sayin'!
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Huh?

What are you talking about?

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Making EXACTLY the same stupid-argument you're trying to make.

Daniel Carver, years ago, proclaimed publicly he'd be voting for Bush (this was pre-Sirius) on the Howard Stern show. Bush has never distanced himself from this racist nutcase.
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You're right....

That is EXACTLY like taking contributions from a white supremacist group and the other items, yes, exactly, it takes ones breath away at the similarities. I'm not arguing with you about it whatsoever, I'm sure there are a lot of clowns out there voting for whomever, really don't care.

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

So how 'bout let's

Discuss the positions of the candidates themselves, instead of random supporters' contributions or expressions of support?? It's almost as if opponents can't assail his message, which is selling quite well, don't you think?? :)
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

From which angle?

His promolgation for apeasement of the Islamic facsist movement or his non-intervention stance? Doing nothing usually does stand well for those who stand for doing nothing. The message I see, now this is only me, is of the biggest threat to us is not the terrorists, but the U.S. Sure I see the whole "tax reduction" theory and along with that the slashing of the military in addition to foreign policy being that there is none, that way we don't get anyone angry. And being pre-emptive....fugedaboudit....He can preach all the warm and fuzzy feel good things he wishes, but as stated before, I'm not a Twoofer or denier, not an occupier and realize and have always known that 9/11 was not an inside job. So if all that nuttiness can be filtered out he just might be, just might be worthwhile...

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Voting to go after Osama Bin Laden (which he did...)

Instead of breaking promises & "nation building" is NOT "appeasement," much as you might wish to label it so. He's worthwhile right now despite all the BS I endured since this campaign started, I just wish more people displayed Blonde's character around here and admitted it when we do good things like yesterday's asskickin' performance. Do Republicans really think they can win WITHOUT the grassroots Meetup power displayed by ONLY ONE candidate, Ron Paul? Do you really think that support will translate to others (absent a tail between the legs retreat on a bunch of smaller-government issues by said others?)? I don't. I know Ron Paul supporters who even disagree with him on the Iraq-War, but they've seen the light. They know NONE of the others is real on the spending issue, for example. They're all hat & no cattle on that one.

He voted for killing Osama, and then he introduced legislation the "leadership" ignored for Letters of Marque & Reprisal. Heaven forbid considering what those daffy Founders said, eh? But this is an improvement, now you're misrepresenting the candidate's own views, instead of trying to misrepresent his supporters. The fact remains, we kicked some $erious a$$ yesterday.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

Absolutely...

being non-interventionist, not voting for Iran sanctions is surely not apeasement, I'm sure Chamberlin didn't think he was an apeaser either.....Being an isolationist is basically an apeaser. Sticking your head in the sand and doing nothing go hand in hand. The core belief that America is the root issue for all the worlds problems just doesn't jive with me. Going after an individual is not quite the same as going after a movement bent on the destruction of our way of life. And once again, for the what time, the whole thought process that 9/11 was an inside job and that I'm an occupier is nutty at best. I could be a millionaire oversight if I were able to box all this up in a cereal, chock full of nuts, fruits and flakes.
Keep rolling with all the "ass kickin".....

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How YOU can HELP Palestine and END American Sponsored Oppression

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

1790s Society

Have you read The Savage Wars of Peace yet, and tallied just how many conflicts have taken place WITHOUT war declarations and letters of marque? 

All of that tells me that you are nothing short of a COMPLETE REACTIONARY, who desperately wants the world to just go back to the 1790s.  And let's not worry; once the United States goes back to the 1790s, the rest of the world will just magically follow!

Curious: will Ron Paul also give his SecState massive suitcases of money with which to bribe diplomats worldwide?  After all, around the time the nation was founded, bribery was SOP in diplomacy. 

(I can see your God now, as President: the Chinese decide to hit the United States will all of its Long Marches.  He is briefed, perhaps, by an Admiral - the Air Force cannot exist in either your world of the world of Ron Paul, after all - and tells him that the Congress has been evacuated to Mt. Weather, and that they can direct a retaliatory strike at anytime.

Your God responds by throwing a complete tantrum - "NO!  CONGRESS NEEDS TO COME BACK HERE SO I CAN DECLARE WAR!!!  I CANNOT RETALIATE UNLESS THEY DECLARE WAR!!!  Congress is then summoned back to Washington - but too late, as the missiles began impacting.  But hey, until the end, your God followed the strictest letter of the Constitution.  Right?)  

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Damn those fools that wrote

Damn those fools that wrote this disgusting and spineless Constitution and then called it the supreme law of our land. How could they possibly put the power to go to war in the hands of the representatives that we the people elected?! I'm with you again Unsane. When you hold your next Constitution burning party, drop me a line and let me know if I should bring chips or drinks or whatever.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Yes, i did get you

Nice try. When Gulf Wars I and II were waged, it was with the approval of Congress...without a formal declaration of war (GASP!!!). 

If you bother reading The Savage Wars of Peace...and not the write-up on amazon.com, but the book itself, you will see how seldom those powers were used. 

When Pearl Harbor was bombed, should we have court-martialed those who sunk a minisub in the hours before the attack for firing upon the forces of the Empire of Japan BEFORE the declaration of war was issued?   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Just come right out and

Just come right out and declare your contempt for the Constitution, we could save so much time.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

 

Read my oath

How can I have contempt for the Constitution when I have pledged everything - including my life - to defend it? 

Keep forgetting you are addressing one who has taken an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic".  It gets very amusing.   

(Also, I notice that, once again, when I pose a question frimly rooted in history, you can't answer.  So, WhichWhine, should those sailors have gotten court-martialed or not?)

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Your denial of what the

Your denial of what the Constitution says is much more amusing when I take into consideration your oath to support and defend it.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw