500-800 for a DVD?Wow I think the P3 would be a much better deal.Oh by the way Mass Effect is for Xbox.Dont know if you can use it.Actually Shawn I am independent.I believe in voting for the best person but it will be the least of evils vote this year.  

>>Dubya's record on fiscal spending and his
>>immigration debacle was not exactly conservative.

1. Are you saying he did nothing on the immigration issue?
2. Are you including fiscal spending on homeland security or the war on terror?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07 

Again with your neurotic obsession with bin Laden!

Really?  And on what evidence do you base your diagnosis, Dr. Unsane?  Specifics, please, because I find it particularly troubling that you would make a statement such as this.  Troubling, because I generally look forward to your commentary, and have indulged a considerable respect for your opinions--particularly when addressing issues of foreign policy [due to your knowledge and expertise concerning a subject in which I share an interest].  In fact, I recently explicitly praised your well-articulated, soundly-reasoned analyses.  [Speaking of which, I was always taught to thank someone who complimented me...but then we are from different generations.]  In any event, if your quoted remark about me is indicative of your abilities as an armchair "shrink", I would suggest you confine yourself to areas where you have demonstrated at least a modicum of competence.

Moreover, Dr. Unsane, an accusation such as yours raises the presumption that you possess at least a reasonable familiarity with my recent posts on the topic--especially where you have participated in the discussion.  I wonder if you even superficially skimmed the relevant threads before lobbing your rather tasteless and baseless insult.  [Your intelligence would seem to negate comprehension difficulties.]  For example, regarding the exchanges among botg, RJ, you, and me on December 21, you should have noted in my response to botg's comment about Obama's alleged support for attacking Pakistan, I simply quoted applicable portions of Obama's speech which included his reference to bin Laden.  After you 'riposte' stating your discomfiture with the "get bin Laden" monomania, I remarked that I didn't "necessarily disagree" with your view...that OBL, as an individual, was not of paramount importance.  But, apparently, my merely suggesting that the question was "open" was sufficiently symptomatic of a neurotic obsession.

If you took the time to engage in a more thorough search, I think you would find my past references to bin Laden are usually in response to a previous post in which the issue was first raised...or, in some cases, my reaction to the political Right's persistent fixation on Clinton's efforts (or lack thereof) in the pursuit and neutralization of bin Laden.  [For example, I have previously noted my displeasure with various conservative talk show hosts who, within hours of the WTC attacks, were bellowing that "it was all Clinton's fault" because he "didn't have the balls to go after bin Laden".  If you're really concerned with bin Laden obsession behaviour, you should catalogue the number of times over the past six years that Sean Hannity has peddled the 'Sudanese-offer-of-OBL-rejected-by-Clinton' allegation.  You would have Sean in a straight jacket by now.  I likewise objected to O'Reilly's relentless campaign, launched shortly after 9/11, to blame Clinton for the failure to nail bin Laden.  You may disagree with my perspective, but how does my criticism of their behavior, or my attempt to present a more balanced assessment of the Clinton and Bush administrations' records vis a vis Al Quaeda translate to a "neurotic obsession" with OBL.  [By the way, you may want to e-mail an admonishment to the Guiliani campaign inasmuch as, in the immediate aftermath of the Bhutto assassination, he has called for intensified efforts to find and capture bin Laden.] 

We aren't looking for OBL?

Huh?  From what orifice did you pull that query, Dr.?  Maybe it's a junior debate team tactic:  stuffing words in my mouth which I never uttered and trying to make me eat them.   Well, try again...but this time stick to facts instead of knocking over straw men.

You DO realize that someone else who hates America as much as he does WILL take his place, correct?  No, you don't.

Have you started debating with yourself?  I suppose that's one way to win--ask a simple-minded "duh" question and answer it yourself.  Unfortunately, you still managed to blow it.  My response is, "of course, child."  And based on that question, my advice is to stop your frequent bragging about the various periodicals and foreign policy journals you supposedly read...it adds to your embarrassment.  [And to amplify my answer, the issue is not whether someone would take the place of OBL--that's a gimme--but whether his successor would be as influential, as powerful and wealthy; and, would he enjoy anything close to the iconic status which OBL occupies with the Arab "street" and among the Islamic militants.

Finally, if you want to debate Leftists about their world view (as you have defined it) then be my guest.  But leave me out of it.  Do you honestly think that I, having declared on several occasions that I considered Reagan to be the best president in my lifetime, would agree with the claptrap philosophy you attribute to "my fellow traveler" Leftists?  Here's a thought:  Why don't you expend just a minimal effort to ascertain the views of the person with whom you choose to debate.  If you would then be interested in challenging perceivable differences over the details, and would do so in a respectful manner, I would be happy to oblige.

Don't forget to remove the bait from your mouth.

Jer

BTW re Iraq...I was referring to the period prior to 9/11 when the Bush administration had bought into the Ahmad Chalabi scam projecting a relatively smooth road to Iraqi political stability, so that the new nation would serve as a shining model portending the general democratization of the Middle East.  I do want us to succeed in Iraq [and am encouraged by recent progress] but that was a pipe dream.