I was visiting Hotair and came across this very interesting comment. I was surprised to find that the commenter had the same screen name as one of the writers for this site.
You don’t have to be as deranged as Larry here to know a truth! Mormonism IS nothing but a fake religion created by a con man. Not that Larry was right about everything he said, but he’s right that a con man crated a fake religion out of his rear-end, for sure.There is nothing “bigoted” about speak that truth.
According to the screen name used by the commenter, it was Warner Todd Huston. Given the mispelled words and bad grammer either this is a poser or Mr. Huston was very upset when he wrote it.
I really hope that this is someone posing to be Mr. Huston, and not the same Warner Todd Huston that writes for NewsBusters. (You also don't have to be bigoted to know that the story of Noah's Ark predates anything Hebrew; but I digress.)
Bottom line up front, if this is indeed the same Mr. Huston that writes for NB he needs to write a public apology to Mitt Romney and all Mormans and have it featured on the front page. And not one of those, "sorry if I offeneded anyone" non-apologies. He also needs to be disciplined by the staff here if this site is to maintain any integrity.
I would hate to not come to this site anymore because they employ a bigot. I guess I would miss Noel's musings the most.
Once again, I hope that this isn't the WTH that works here. If it isn't and it is a poser, I apologize unabashedly.
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December 10, 2007 - 04:43 ET by Blazer-
i take it this guy doesn't
December 10, 2007 - 22:01 ET by TruthMongeri take it this guy doesn't mind the anti-Muslim bigots here relentlessly fearmongering about sharia law in the US:)?
Truth
December 10, 2007 - 22:08 ET by Airforce_5_OI think I am begining to see some things here I haven't seen and it is getting scary.
According to Helen Thomas and Professor Truth I am the Most Dangerous and Psychotic Individual on the Net. Airforce_5_O
AF you are safely behind
December 12, 2007 - 21:18 ET by TruthMongerAF you are safely behind the KB - don't worry...
If I know Warner
December 10, 2007 - 05:05 ET by sarcasmo(And while I've never met him personally, I've read a lot of his stuff...) I suspect our Warner has no religious problems with Romney, but rather (like many of us) policy differences instead. Also, Warner's last name is spelled differently, and we are living in a nation of millions of people with similar/the-same names.
People like me may do things like wave our old flip-flops at Mitt when he comes to Orlando (which was fun!) but I'd never do or say anything hateful related to his religion, because even though I'm not a Mormon I can & do respect Mormons' right to believe as they wish and live the way they want.
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
Good catch sarcasmo.
December 10, 2007 - 08:40 ET by OIFveteranGood catch sarcasmo. However, the mistake was mine. For whatever reason, I was calling Mr. Hutson, Mr. Hudson. The Warner Todd Huston that commented on Hotair is spelled the same as a writer here.
Also, when you click on the name for Warner Todd Huston in the Hotair comments it takes you to the website he owns.
<insert something clever>
Hmm. You're right
December 10, 2007 - 09:04 ET by sarcasmoStill doesn't sound like 'our' Warner to me, though. I worry about how easy it is to smear people these days on the 'net, especially with allegations of bigotry.
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
Well NB is it WTH?
December 10, 2007 - 21:10 ET by Airforce_5_OAfter looking at the comment on Hot Air and followed the link and saw his picture there. I am speechless.
Here I am really enjoying NB and now I see that one in the organization may have demeaned my Religion.
I would like to hear from him.
If true I would like to hear from the NB staff.
I will have to say if true then I may have to pull out of NB all together. I will defiantly pull my donation from them also. This is very disturbing.
What say you Newsbuster’s staff? Is he a bigot? Will he remain with the site?
According to Helen Thomas and Professor Truth I am the Most Dangerous and Psychotic Individual on the Net. Airforce_5_O
AF-50 , I agree with sarcasmo, that ain't WTH
December 10, 2007 - 22:23 ET by upcountrywaterMe thinks he got his site hacked..
It happened to me here on my personal side, that's why it's blank now.
iranian uranium; iranian uranium, iranian uranium..
So when ARE the Russians going to finish the iranian atoms for peace power plant?
I hope so Water I really
December 10, 2007 - 22:32 ET by Airforce_5_OI hope so Water I really hope so. I want to here from WTH. Then I'll be satisfied.
According to Helen Thomas and Professor Truth I am the Most Dangerous and Psychotic Individual on the Net. Airforce_5_O
I dunno
December 10, 2007 - 22:25 ET by candanceThis could be a case of slander. It would seem that a contributer to a major website would know better than to say something bigoted with a ready link to his own photo.
I'll not pass any judgement until NB checks it out.
Someone gleeped his password, phished his email..
December 10, 2007 - 22:37 ET by upcountrywaterAnyways, I can wait and find out from NB too..
iranian uranium; iranian uranium, iranian uranium..
So when ARE the Russians going to finish the iranian atoms for peace power plant?
From "Webster's II New
December 11, 2007 - 01:30 ET by alamojbFrom "Webster's II New Riverside Dictionary. Copyright 1984"
Bigot: "One fanatically devoted to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and intolerant of those who differ."
Intolerant: "Not tolerant, as of opposing views: bigoted." Not much help there, refers back to the first definition.
So we look up Tolerant :adj version of "Tolerance" (noun): "Recognition of and respect for the opinions, beliefs or actions of others." Tolerate: (verb) "To allow. "
So a Bigot could be defined as someone who does not have respect for the opinions of others.-The "Warner Todd Huston" of this example, based on the way he said it.(Which I seriously doubt is the NB Warner Todd Huston.)
It could also be one who does not allow others their opinion. (Based on the definition of "tolerate".) Which in this case would be "OIF Veteran" who demands an apology. A retraction if you will. Will he be forced to pretend he agees with the LDS faith? Must he also pretend to agree with the Jainist? and the Hindu's? And the Buddhists? And the Baptists? And the Atheist? That way he is not being a "bigot" towards any of them? Must he forever renounce the idea of exclusive truth and pretend all faiths and lack of faiths are really the same?
I am replying to my own
December 11, 2007 - 01:46 ET by alamojbI am replying to my own "reply" here, but I thought about something else while I was making my near mid-night snack.
Ol Rush keeps saying how people these days in America are afraid to say what they think. He is right. As I was typing the above reply I was thinking "I hope I don't get banned". You know what? They can do that if they want to, but I will just go somewhere else and talk.
"Oifveteran" you are playing the "victim". You are being like a liberal. If you did not like what that guy said you could have argued point for point on his page if possible. That is what free speech is. Instead, you came over here looking to play the victim card.
in my many travels and
December 12, 2007 - 22:04 ET by TruthMongerin my many travels and research my opinion is God certainly qualifies as a bigot - fanatic about His religion and total in-tolerance of sin - seems to me God wants us to be bigots then - hmmm - so bigotry can be good...? on the flip side Satan is a bigot on the flip side - the anti-Christ - hmmm - so bigotry can be bad too...
Then I guess bigotry is just a "judgement tool" and nothing more really - like any tool - it can be used for good or bad...
So the question is not really "are you a bigot?" but rather "what KIND of bigot are you?" We're all bigots - even God is a bigot - a good bigot - the rest of us fall short, according to scripture - so I guess the best one can do is just try to be the best good bigot you can be...
KKK, Hitler, OBL - bad bigots...
Billy Graham, Pope John Paul, Mother Theresa - about-the-best-a- human-can-be bigots?
Bigot = shut up
December 12, 2007 - 10:23 ET by Joe ShlabotnikSeems to me that the "bigot" card is usually played to shut someone up. Since when is it bigoted for someone to express their (presumably) sincere opinion? For this, you would ban them?
I'm for freedom of speech, even when I don't agree with the speaker.
OIF
December 12, 2007 - 22:24 ET by botgi PMd WTH and he has confirmed that this is indeed his viewpoint. My question would be why did you not PM him? Also what is the historical background to the founding of TCoJCotLDS? I do know that the founder had claimed that all Christianity was apostate and that is why he had to found the church. Is that a bigoted statement by Joseph Smith?
"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murderer" -- the Profff
Bruce
December 12, 2007 - 22:30 ET by BlondeCan you, or anyone else, explain to me why someone's personal beliefs, in a religious sense, make one iota difference in the public purview? It just doesn't compute for me....to tear someone down for personal beliefs.
This seems like such a tempest in a teapot to me.
Although...I'd really like to see Warner respond to this thread in person....it seems like it could land a hundred different ways from Sunday.
But hey....that's just me.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Response
December 12, 2007 - 22:40 ET by saw the lightThank you, Blonde. I saw this thread a couple of days ago and have been thinking and wondering since. I do not have one problem with WTH's comments as he has the same first amendment right that everyone else has. In addition, I tend to agree with his comments. I feel no need to apologize to any Mormon for this.
I told my four-year-old daughter just yesterday that although she is learning about the different holidays at this time of year, it was not appropriate to sing a Ramadan song in our house. I feel no need to apologize to Muslims for this.
I just don't see any problem whatsoever. Perhaps WTH does not either and has avoided posting here for that reason.
Is it ironic that after all that, I am leaning toward voting for Mitt Romney?
stl,
December 12, 2007 - 22:49 ET by BlondeQuite.
It really matters not one iota...well, at least not to any one of us who think....what a person's religion is. Well, maybe I overgeneralize...it matters not to me. As long as one is good and true....
However, having said that...I'd be interested to see what WTH has to say about this.
He's a public figure....and regardless...if it's his view, or not....I wish he'd let us know.
After all, it's easy enough to hijack someone's personna on the net.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
certain things matter to
December 12, 2007 - 22:54 ET by TruthMongercertain things matter to certain people - I'm just as perplexed by your dis-interest in faith matters here on NB:)
the way i see it i don't implore you to get religious here
so you shouldn't implore me to not be reliogious here
accept each other's interests
Postings
December 12, 2007 - 22:58 ET by saw the lightI suppose you are right. Posting your views on an easily found website are not off limits. While WTH does not have to expound on the post on HotAir, it would clear the air quite a bit.
But I, as you, feel this is "much ado about nothing" (apologies to Bill Shakespeare).
B
December 12, 2007 - 22:47 ET by botgPersonal religious belifs inform a persons public views (and voting), as an Evangelical, I believe that my religious beliefs inform my political stands and a person who believes the LDS will have political stands. For most intents and purposes these two political stands will be very very similar.
I believe that the tempest is generated because the LDS feel that their prophet has been dissed. My post was to provide opportunity to present historical record to bear on the viewpoints.
"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murderer" -- the Profff
K, Bruce
December 12, 2007 - 22:56 ET by BlondeI'm trying to understand that.
Not being overly religious, I believe my moral stands (and beliefs) rule my vote. My views...my worldview, if you will.
As for worrying about a Mormon vs. a non-Mormon...that's just not there for me. What is important is that the candidate has a belief system...that works for him (or her). A real belief system...not a fakey one like Hillary's.
Of course, for me, the over-riding factor is particular stands on issues. But hey...that's just me.
But I must say, I despise all of this holy one-up-man-ship in the primary race.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
B
December 12, 2007 - 23:06 ET by botgmost of your moral stands come from growing up in a society influenced by a (decaying) Judeo-Christian worldview. I would say that based on my experiences LDS members tend to have a stronger Judeo-Christian worldview than many Christians.
My political belief is that we need a POTUS who will try to appoint SCOTUS judges that will rule against the decay. Abortion is a blight and all Christians and Mormans should vote to restrict this blight. The way to do so effectively is through the SCOTUS without whom we would not have Roe v Wade.
"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murderer" -- the Profff
Agreed, B.
December 12, 2007 - 23:11 ET by BlondeBut the mud-slinging that goes on here....whether it's tossed at WTH....who hasn't weighed in yet...or against our presidential candidates....just bothers me to no end.
Oh, how I wish I could nominate SCOTUS judges.
I'd get it right.....alas...
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
B
December 12, 2007 - 23:19 ET by botgi was going to post 'mudslingers for Christ' but then i also condemn myself since none is perfect no not one.
"everytime you take a shower you are a mass murderer" -- the Profff
B, Oh, how I wish I could
December 13, 2007 - 00:03 ET by bigtimerB,
Oh, how I wish I could nominate SCOTUS judges.
I'd get it right.....alas...
A lot of us would get it right..it is the filthy leftists that put the stop to it.
We need to vote early and often for real conservatives if we get the chance, not the ones that are so-called conservatives ie Spectoid that people like Rove and Gingrich think have a better chance of winning and put the money behind, that has been the problem for years now.
Makes me sick.
I pray for more real conservatives like Jeff Sessions in the Senate that have guts and won't take no for an answer...illegal immigration is a good exaple...the same could be done for SC Judges.
BT
December 13, 2007 - 00:11 ET by BlondeWe just need to keep up the herding instinct.
I must thank you again for your attention to the Senate floor...and keeping us informed here about what goes on there.
You are for certain the most informed poster here about all of the tricks that the Senate gets away with....so thanks for keeping us up to date on it all.
We know they're all weasels.
I hate to say it, but it's on you, my friend...because the rest of us are stupid and ignorant....but you keep us focussed...
Thanks!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Nope JDW is the most
December 13, 2007 - 00:15 ET by bigtimerNope JDW is the most informed here on the Senate, most likely a lot of others too, Ac comes to mind...I'm not here all the time....
Whats with the stupid and ignorant comment...
Speak for yourself there gal.
The Sessions issue must still bother you some since you never apologized.
Nothing about any of this
December 12, 2007 - 23:07 ET by bigtimerNothing about any of this information surprises me one bit...
But hey, that's just me....
This site has changed a lot from long ago.
Nothing is surprising....nothing.
Folks, an explanation.... but no "apology"
December 12, 2007 - 23:47 ET by Warner Todd HustonFolks,
I was just made aware of this thread so I thought I'd better comment before it really spins out of control.
Bigotry is hatred, plain and simple. I did make that comment on hotair.com, but what I said was not an example of bigotry in any way.
I do not hate Mormons. I did not say and have never said they are bad people. I did not say their religion should be somehow oppressed, eliminated or gotten rid of. I did not say that they were somehow inferior people. I have nothing against Mormons as human beings at all.
What I said was that their religion was made by a con man. That is a statement of historical fact, not a statement of "bigotry."
I will not vote for Mitt Romney in the primaries. I couldn't care less if he's a Mormon. What I don't like is that he is a liar. He is a liberal posing as a conservative and has made more flip flops than a drunken high diver. I would vote for a Mormon that I trusted quite despite if I think he is foolish for being a Mormon. Just as I would vote for a Jew or even a Catholic (and I have, by the way) neither religion to which I subscribe or even approve.
I will leave with these last two items:
First, for our initial poster to say that he will stop coming to NB because of one guy's post on some other site is pretty silly. I have an idea, DON'T read my work if you don't like me. But to punish everyone else for just one guy's words that he found on some other site that has nothing to do with THIS site... well, that is just ridiculous. It just seems like the guy that started this thread has skin that's way too thin.
And last, there will be no apology. I made no statements about the character or relative worth about Mormons themselves. I just discount their religion. Mormons have many fine people in their ranks and many are fine, upstanding Americans. I never said they weren't. They are not Christians, but so what? No one said you have to be a Christian to be an American and no one said non-Christians cannot make good American politicians... nor do I.
If anyone has a question, please PM me for I see no reason to appear on this thread again at this time.
thanks for the response,
December 13, 2007 - 00:03 ET by TruthMongerthanks for the response, Warner...
I think you're a bigot - but then so am I - every one is - even God...
I'm a protestant Christian fundie but it's still too hard for me to make these kinds of absolute "non-Christian" proclamations about Catholics, Mormons, etc...
But that's just me:)
Let's end the discussion here
December 13, 2007 - 03:20 ET by Matthew SheffieldNB is not about religion and therefore not the appropriate venue for this discussion. Kudos to Warner for keeping his remarks about Mormonism on another site and not NB. Let's not needlessly divide ourselves discussing issues that are peripheral to the purpose of our site.
For those wishing to continue the discussion about Mormonism, please visit these two sites:
- Ex Mormon.org
- Mormon Apologetics
Thank you.