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Fred Thompson By Conservative Voice July 28, 2007 - 17:09 ET From Hot Air they have a link to this blog. What is up with Fred? First it was McCain Finance Bill he helped pass, the denying of lobbying for pro-abortion groups, and now this. ( btw I don't care that he did lobby for pro-abortion people, its the denying it that bothers me ) I use to be a Fred head, now I have a headache. ‹ Watch Unsane squirm... Is WorldNetDaily a "conspiro" site? › Read comments <a href="http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=16&c=122c344b-04b3-4b68-bb30-20e7a66bc14c" target="_blank"><img src="http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=16&w=468&h=60&c=122c344b-04b3-4b68-bb30-20e7a66bc14c" width="468" height="60" border="0" /></a> Related Stories China's Lucrative Organ Harvesting Business The left Is Winning DUMP GOOGLE FOR CUIL "COOL" POLL QUESTION: What is the real meaning behind Barack Obama's multiple stands on many issues? 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Too bad, not a very savy political move and the fact that he would even consider it, let alone implement it, is disturbing. Login or register to post comments Email this page Oh No What's BT going to August 27, 2007 - 16:18 ET by Leon Oh No What's BT going to do? A vote for Thompson is clearly a vote for terror. Login or register to post comments Email this page Not much talk about this on September 6, 2007 - 18:34 ET by DontTreadOnMe Not much talk about this on news programs. Is he still going with this guy? I think any time someone mentions Fred's name this should be the next question asked. Login or register to post comments Email this page Howit CV, September 6, 2007 - 18:42 ET by upcountrywater Now that Fred is in the race, any chance of a staff shake-up or what not? Headache any better? *Entitlement over infrastructure every SINGLE time.* Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred September 13, 2007 - 02:24 ET by Conservative Voice As I said before, if Fred was sorry for his efforts in the McCain Feingold campaign finance law, he doesn't make much effort to reverse it. George Will's take on Fred isn't all that great either. I'm trying to like Fred here, so those who are all for Fred, make your case, because all I'm seeing is hype, no substance. Login or register to post comments Email this page Mitt Romney people...Fred September 13, 2007 - 13:07 ET by TruthMonger Mitt Romney people...Fred can be VP... Otherwise get ready for hillary/obama...then pres obama 12 years of this... Login or register to post comments Email this page TM... The only flaw I see September 13, 2007 - 13:10 ET by Clear thinker TM... The only flaw I see in your post is.... Mitt won't win the nomination. First and foremost, we must win the primary and Mitt can't win it for us. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page CT why can't he win the September 13, 2007 - 13:33 ET by TruthMonger CT why can't he win the nomination? Login or register to post comments Email this page Mitt can win and many analyts think he will September 13, 2007 - 14:34 ET by Daniel Baker He leads in the first three primary states. Two of which are Kerry states which would be nice to win in the general election. _______________________________ Learn about "the best choice for people of faith" http://www.evangelic... Login or register to post comments Email this page He is the most qualified of September 13, 2007 - 14:51 ET by TruthMonger He is the most qualified of the bunch... What do you think about Fred for VP - southern enough? Login or register to post comments Email this page South September 13, 2007 - 15:12 ET by Daniel Baker Romney does have North East and West wrapped up so it would be smart to get a southerner. Thompson is too divisive though. Especially when his campaign slanders Romney heavily this Sept 11. J. C. Watts would be a fun choice. _______________________________ Learn about "the best choice for people of faith" http://www.evangelic... Login or register to post comments Email this page CV and Fred forum... September 13, 2007 - 13:01 ET by Clear thinker CV, I went to the link you provided and it left me confused. What Debbie was talking about is old news as the guy was booted shortly after her article. Fred's campaign manager is now..... Bill Lacy A White House political director during Ronald Reagan's administration, Lacy was also a strategist for unsuccessful 1996 Republican nominee Bob Dole. He directed the 1988 California campaign of former President George H.W. Bush -- the last Republican to carry California. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page good to hear Clear Thinker, September 14, 2007 - 06:14 ET by Conservative Voice good to hear Clear Thinker, but what about George Will's column, which is rather recent. Like I said, I can learn to like Fred, and I want to, because I know many of my friends here like him. Just not seeing the substance yet, so help me out. Does he talk the talk and walk the walk, or is it smoke and mirrors? The link on top is old, as I originally posted it back in July. Login or register to post comments Email this page I'm with Fred ! September 13, 2007 - 15:18 ET by Free Stinker Thompson - Rice 2008 Login or register to post comments Email this page Why on both accounts? What September 14, 2007 - 06:11 ET by Conservative Voice Why on both accounts? What is it about them that has sold you? Login or register to post comments Email this page Your right we don't have a chance. September 14, 2007 - 10:14 ET by ooramp conservatives? You people sound like a bunch of liberal reporters slinging mud. Oh he's to this or to that, All do things you are not going to like. Romney, governor of a liberal state, so he's out. Giuliani mayor of a liberal city so he's out. Thompson, he hired someone on his campaign we don't like so he's out! Doubly so cause he waited to announce at the time we use to announce, instead of when the liberal democrats announced. Login or register to post comments Email this page I just can't get over how so September 14, 2007 - 11:31 ET by Bruzilla I just can't get over how so many people, who consider themselves to be astute observers of the political environment, can call for change and then not see change when it comes!!! I just don't get it. I like George Will, but he's taking the journalist shortcut of basing a wide opinion on narrow sources. If he were to look up Fred's comments on McCain-Fiengold from his interview with Chris Wallace, he would get a straight-forward take on the matter. In that interview, Fred told Wallace (and I'm summarizing here) that the reason he supported M-F was that he was opposed to the ability of unions, groups like MoveOn, and others being able to drop huge amounts of money on last-minute to make bogus charges against a candidate. The law was designed to prevent anyone (candidate, party, group, etc.) from tossing up a bunch of last-minute ads stating that candidate Jones had sex with underage choir boys (as an example), and not allowing candidate Jones to respond. If you're going to personally attack a candidate, you've got to do it while they have enough time to respond, which is a good way to do business. So, you can look at M-F as being evil for preventing personal ads, or you can look at it as a blessing for preventing last-minute personal attack campaigns. I, like Fred, look at it as the later. This is just another of Fred's views that I think is confusing to the pundit crowd. They say he's not pro-life because he didn't vote for federal restrictions on abortion. They don't look at the fact that Fred didn't vote the way he did because he's pro-abortion, but because he's pro-state's rights. His view, which is a consistent one, is that the question of abortion is one for the states to decide, not the Feds. What confuses me is how many of the same people who attack Fred about his votes on abortion are also the same ones who are screaming for less government control from DC and more control for the states. You can't be for federal abortion restrictions and more state's rights... unless you're some vacillator who wants to have everything both ways, i.e., the way every major candidate minus Fred is. I won't vote for Rudi because he's anti-gun, and I won't vote for Romney because he's an appeaser who's every bit as bad as Clinton. Fred's the only candidate I've seen who's actually consistent on conservative issues. Login or register to post comments Email this page Bruz... Very well September 14, 2007 - 15:34 ET by Clear thinker Bruz... Very well stated. I would like to add.... if we listen to pundits and have them make our minds up for us, we are doomed! I don't dis-like Mitt or Rudy, I just cannot vote for them. I won't vote for Mitt mostly because he can't win, and I can't vote for Rudy because he proudly made NYC a sanctuary city while he was Mayor. In my humble opinion, Fred is the only true conservative that can win this. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page CT, I hate to say this September 14, 2007 - 15:47 ET by MightyMouth CT, I hate to say this about old Fred, but: he looks like my grandfather. Eight years of the crap any president has to put up with is enough to age a guy extra fast. As much as I like the guy, I don't think he's gonna make it 8 years. So if we do get him in we better damn well make sure he has a good running mate! But with my .02 cents and three bucks you can buy a latte at Starbucks. "There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says... Login or register to post comments Email this page Ronald Reagan September 14, 2007 - 16:27 ET by Clear thinker MM... I remember people thought Ron was too old. He held up well. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page I know, and Thompson would September 14, 2007 - 16:45 ET by MightyMouth I know, and Thompson would actually be 5 years younger. I'm just saying maybe Fred has had a tougher life. He looks really really old especially without make up :-) He's a good guy but has been accused of doing some pro-choice lobbying. Just saying.... "There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says... Login or register to post comments Email this page MM... Scroll up to September 14, 2007 - 16:52 ET by Clear thinker MM... Scroll up to Bruzillas post. There is a good explanation waiting there. I beg everyone to look at your candidate VERY closely. Don't take one article or one pundits view and make your minds up on just that. Anotherwords... DON'T LET THE MEDIA TELL US WHAT TO THINK! MM...Back to Fred. I watched him in his campaign for Sen in TN. The one thing I am ceratin of... he knows how to win. But, Fred will do it his way. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page No one, other than Rush September 14, 2007 - 17:02 ET by Conservative Voice No one, other than Rush Limbaugh, tells me what to think ( tongue in cheek ) :) I agree that we shouldn't be robots or a mob, but we should look at the argument and facts of the argument. I am certainly open to aguments for Fred. Login or register to post comments Email this page Age is an issue. The September 14, 2007 - 16:42 ET by Conservative Voice Age is an issue. The younger candidates have the emotional what a good looking guy from the younger females. The older tend to get questioned on health and mental awareness. The President office is a taxing position. All I care about in a candidate is can he think on his feet, could care less if he needs a walker or a wheelchair to get around. Age isn't an issue for me unless the VP is scary. Login or register to post comments Email this page In the primaries I still September 14, 2007 - 16:37 ET by Conservative Voice In the primaries I still haven't decided who I will support, but in the general election I could vote for any republican ( including Ron Paul ) over any of the Democrats. Just haven't been convinced that Fred is all that conservative, convince me. Login or register to post comments Email this page So special interest buy September 14, 2007 - 16:32 ET by Conservative Voice So special interest buy advertising, what part of free speech do you not understand? I could care less if MoveOn spends a 100 billion, as long as everyone is aware that the money is from MoveOn.org and judge it. It sounds like good ol Fred still believes in his role instead of working to overturn the campaign finance laws. Here is a simple campaign finance that works and doesn't hurt our rights as citizens to pull our money together to buy advertising. All donations are made in public, everyone is aware of who is donating and how much. No foreign money. You break the law not only do you give the money back, but you also have to give an equal amount to your opponent. The scandal is made public. There is no limit on how much a person can give, as long as everyone knows who and how much. Instead Fred excuses his behavior by roping you in on an emotional level with do you want special interest like MoveOn and Unions...hello the NRA, the Boy Scouts, the pro-life crowd are special interests as well. As far as Fred is on abortion, I could care less, because it isn't an executive issue, its a Congress issue taking back power that the Supreme Court stole. But I do have issues with him denying he lobbied for an abortion group when in fact he did. To be fair Mitt definately exaggerates ( been a hunter all my life, when he has hunted only a few times ). And with Rudy its hard to determine where exactly he stands on illegal immigration. Simply I believe Rudy over Mitt, and Mitt over Fred. Ironically Mitt and Fred hold the same platform on abortion, and Rudy has said he is personally against it. In any case I am still not convinced that Fred is all that conservative. Both Mitt and Rudy have proven they are fiscal conservatives. Mitt is the strongest on the border ( of the three ), but Rudy is slightly ahead on Iraq. Fred's voting record isn't all that impressive, the only thing that stands out is his helping McCain with weakening our first amendment right. Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred is almost out of the clear September 17, 2007 - 14:17 ET by Conservative Voice As mentioned by Clear Thinker, *Bill Lacy* is now the campaign manager. Clear Thinker also satisfied me on the lobbying for pro-abortion groups in a different thread. In short Fred has admitted he did some work, but maintains some work doesn't equate to lobbying for. So what is left is the campaign finance reform, which Fred regrets... I would prefer he shows his regrets by making it part of his platform to overturn the McCain finance laws. Login or register to post comments Email this page CV...I too would like to September 17, 2007 - 16:30 ET by Clear thinker CV... I too would like to see it in his platform, but it ain't gonna happen (IMO). Fred does feel strongly about the subject so I hope he's keeping it in his back pocket and goes after it after he get's elected Prez. This is one of those issues that are better left out of a platform. Why let your competition know everything ahead of time. Plus, you and I, and a few others here at NB care about the issue, but it's not exactly one of those issues that the general public cares about. PS... Bill Lacy also worked for the Reagan administration. That's a major plus for me. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page I'm fine with Fred at VP September 17, 2007 - 16:34 ET by TruthMonger I'm fine with Fred at VP right now - all is forgiven... Login or register to post comments Email this page TM... I can understand September 17, 2007 - 16:42 ET by Clear thinker TM... I can understand you liking Fred as VP, but only if you think another candidate is more Conservative than he. From where I sit, he is the only true Conservative candidate running. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred has just as much September 17, 2007 - 16:46 ET by TruthMonger Fred has just as much moderate baggage as any of the rest IMHO... Romney and Fred are about as conservative as Bush... Too bad but a sad fact... Someone appears to have broken the Reagan mold... Login or register to post comments Email this page TM... How did you form September 17, 2007 - 16:51 ET by Clear thinker TM... How did you form that opinion of Fred? I can't remember if you have posted anything on Mitt before, so for the moment I'm going to assume that you like him. My only problem with Mitt is... I strongly doubt he can win in the South, and without the South a candidate is dead-duck material. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page ...been following him in September 17, 2007 - 16:55 ET by TruthMonger ...been following him in the news every week since he took over Gore's senate seat... And you...? Login or register to post comments Email this page TM... Me too! You must September 17, 2007 - 18:31 ET by Clear thinker TM... Me too! You must be reading stuff from our liberal MSM. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred is back in the dog house September 22, 2007 - 15:47 ET by Conservative Voice For someone who regrets his mistake doesn't seem to have a whole lot of regret. http://townhall.com/... I am finding myself not trusting Fred over McCain, and that is saying something. Login or register to post comments Email this page CV...I for one, fail to September 22, 2007 - 16:52 ET by Clear thinker CV... I for one, fail to see the problem in what Fred said. He wanted to limit soft money and thought the bill would do just that. They added the issue ads and he thought the bill was still worth supporting because of what he thought it would limit. Many, many bills are passed that have stinkers attached, but they get passed because people sincerely believe n the meat and potatoes of the bill. Then once the bill was enacted everyone, including him, found out about how the bill could be manipulated. Moveon.org is a good example. Plus, he now admits his vote for the bill was big mistake. You and I, and a few other million people now know the same thing. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Laura Ingraham tried to September 22, 2007 - 18:04 ET by Conservative Voice Laura Ingraham tried to give Fred a chance to come up to the plate and hit this issue out of the park. Fred instead made excuses, minimized his part, and even showed there were parts he still agrees with. "Senator Thompson responded that he "didn't think it is a good idea" for corporations and labor union to give "large sums of money to individual politicians." " Which leaves me to believe his apology isn't real, and thereby he has lost trust with me. The problem with the bill isn't how it is currently being manipulated, the problem was the actual bill. The problem is when he was given the chance to nail Clinton on campaign issues, he used it to push his pet bill instead of using the opportunity to hold Clinton's feet to the fire. The problem isn't corporations or unions giving money...its foreign money and bribes, which were already against the law. Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred and his platform... September 23, 2007 - 13:14 ET by Clear thinker I'm posting this for CV, but it would be a good idea for everyone to look at it. CV... All this nit-picking get's tiresome, so I did the following hoping it will help. Read Fred's platform below. In his own words... National Security: It's the first responsibility of government. We have to protect the homeland and the American people from those that want to harm us. To do that, we need a larger, more powerful military, and better intelligence capabilities. Taxes: We need permanent tax cuts that let taxpayers keep more of the money they earn, and help the economy grow. Americans know best how to use their money---not bureaucrats in Washington. And we have to fix the tax code. It works against taxpayers and businesses. We need fundamental reform built on the principles of simplicity, fairness, and growth. Government Reform: Right now our government is too large, wasteful and inefficient. I should know. I chaired the Senate committee that did extensive oversight of our broken government. What we need is a more nimble, effective government that can deal with todays challenges. I can make that happen. I know where the problems are, and Ill bring in the right people to fix them. Building Strong Families: Marriage and family are under constant threat. Human life is less valued and cherished. We have to rebuild and strengthen these institutions. But unelected judges seem intent on redefining marriage, undermining families, and promoting abortion. As President, I will use the "bully pulpit" to speak out on behalf of life, families and the institution of marriage. And I will appoint strict constructionist judges who will interpret the law---- NOT legislate from the bench. If these are issues that you care about I strongly urge you to support Fred for president and not the naysayers. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Clear Thinker...Fred September 23, 2007 - 21:00 ET by Conservative Voice until the primaries, I tend to be more nit picky, as any democrat running is a nightmare. I just want to make sure that the guy we nominate isn't a wolf in sheep's clothing.. Fred has certainly said the right things in many areas, but in this one area...campaign finance reform, it is still a festering boil for me...can I live with a boil? Yes certainly, its better than cancer (Hillary or any of the democrat crop). I want to make sure that there is more to the candidate than nice soundbites. I could vote for Fred, Mitt, or Rudy. Fred would close the deal for me if he came out stronger as to why campaign finance law is bad law. Rudy's boil for me is illegal immigration and guns. Newt's is he agrees with Kerry on global warming. Which leaves Mitt, to which if he can get out of the plastic wrap he would make a strong candidate. It doesn't really matter since by the time Hawaii has its primaries its pretty much decided. Once the primaries are over, all guns will be pointed at Hillary. Login or register to post comments Email this page On that note September 23, 2007 - 21:13 ET by Conservative Voice http://townhall.com/... fiscally Mitt, Rudy or Fred have me Login or register to post comments Email this page CV...Fred... I understand September 23, 2007 - 22:40 ET by Clear thinker CV...Fred... I understand where you are coming from, but once again I will give you my opinion and not the opinions of some pundit. If Mitt wins the primary we lose the WH to Hillary. Mitt cannot win the South, and without the South no WH. If Rudy wins the primary we could possibly win the WH, but we would then have a RINO as president. If Fred wins the primary we could take the WH and have the most Conservative prez of the bunch. I'm hoping that we (meaning all conservatives) will soon get together and support one candidate and show a unified force to be reckoned with. If we don't do this fairly soon, we lose. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred as Mitt's running mate September 25, 2007 - 17:04 ET by TruthMonger Fred as Mitt's running mate wins the south... Hilary can't win anywhere except the upper west side... Login or register to post comments Email this page TM... Fred won't take a September 25, 2007 - 17:06 ET by Clear thinker TM... Fred won't take a VP position. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page when he loses the nomination September 25, 2007 - 17:09 ET by TruthMonger when he loses the nomination he will - otherwise Mitt could go with Ron Paul... Login or register to post comments Email this page TM... Now you are just September 25, 2007 - 17:11 ET by Clear thinker TM... Now you are just being silly. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Thompson/Hunter '08! September 25, 2007 - 17:15 ET by bigtimer Thompson/Hunter '08! Login or register to post comments Email this page Kasich, Palin, or Watts September 25, 2007 - 17:18 ET by Free Stinker Only if Hunter is another name for Kasich, Palin, or Watts! ;-) Login or register to post comments Email this page bt... You go September 25, 2007 - 17:19 ET by Clear thinker bt... You go girl!!! Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page If Mitt wins the primaries, September 25, 2007 - 18:04 ET by Conservative Voice If Mitt wins the primaries, then he could win the south, because he will be running against Hillary. During the primaries, he could pick up a couple southern states. Mitt is also stronger against Hillary in the purple states ( red + blue ) like Michigan and Ohio. Most people don't vote for President based on his VP, the VP choice could hurt the candidate, but rarely helps. Any of the top three candidates can beat Hillary, though I think Fred will have the hardest time. Fred may win the south against Hillary, but he will be up against the machine. Both Rudy and Mitt are battle hardened by being conservative in a hostile environment. Login or register to post comments Email this page I 'm still with Fred! No September 25, 2007 - 17:00 ET by Free Stinker I 'm still with Fred! No one's perfect. Not even Reagan. :-( Login or register to post comments Email this page AMEN! Get Email updates September 25, 2007 - 17:04 ET by Clear thinker AMEN! Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Why? And I'm not looking September 25, 2007 - 18:11 ET by Conservative Voice Why? And I'm not looking for the perfect candidate, just the strongest one. Would you pick Fred over Sarah Palin? Make your case. The top three would all make great presidents...I just prefer Rudy or Mitt over Fred because of the campaign finance thing, which he hasn't really apologized for. And Mitt over Rudy because Mitt is more socially conservative than Rudy. However, time will tell...its a horse race afterall. Login or register to post comments Email this page I'll take Fred over Rudy or September 26, 2007 - 11:39 ET by Free Stinker I'll take Fred over Rudy or Mitt, although any of these three will be the opposite of a Hillary presidency. Make my case? Ok. Next post. But I think Fred has less negatives than Rudy or Mitt, campaign finance being one of the few. Login or register to post comments Email this page Free Stinker September 26, 2007 - 12:25 ET by Conservative Voice Here is how I see it Fiscal Conservative: They are about equal, with Rudy pulling slightly ahead of managing NYC budget back into the black. Social Consertvative: Rudy loses, Fred and Mitt are at a draw. The war: Rudy pulls ahead Illegal Immigration: Rudy loses, Fred and Mitt are at a draw. Constitution: Rudy D- (believes in gun control helped NYC) Mitt gets a C- ( also believes in gun control, but is more conservative than Rudy on it) and Fred loses ( a C for gun control, but a D- for the campaign laws ). Honesty: They all lose. Rudy has cheated on his wife, Fred tends to talk in general versus specifics, and Mitt comes across as plastic. However, Rudy doesn't hide that he is human and Mitt has kept his nose clean. Fred hasn't earned my trust yet, but given than several people here like him, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Personality: Rudy pulls ahead, Mitt needs to show his human side and Fred needs to smile more...he has a great smile but rarely shows it ( not that I want him to be fake either ) and needs to show more energy. I recognize the President is a serious job, but smiles and energy do a lot in helping people connect, feel good and feel optimistic. We need more than an anti-Hillary vote to win, so far neither Fred, Rudy or Mitt jazz me, but for now its between Rudy and Mitt. I won't have a hard time voting for either Fred, Mitt, or Rudy because fiscally they are decent enough and on the war they all support it. Login or register to post comments Email this page Your grade given to Fred September 26, 2007 - 14:58 ET by Clear thinker Your grade given to Fred concerning guns is rather odd. See below. "Thompson, McCain and Huckabee chose to highlight their record on gun rights in a veiled criticism of Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. In 1994, Romney supported the Brady gun control law and said he wouldn't be the hero of the NRA." Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page More on September 26, 2007 - 15:02 ET by Clear thinker More on Fred... "Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, who earned an "A" rating from the NRA during his time in the Senate, was the group's favorite. Meanwhile, the GOP front-runner, Rudolph W. Giuliani, left members underwhelmed." Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred's mediocre record on gun rights September 26, 2007 - 15:07 ET by sarcasmo Is exposed here. This is why the media is dishonest to treat this community as "only the NRA" even if such dishonesty does provide one-stop inside-the-beltway shopping... JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page Then why did the NRA give September 26, 2007 - 15:11 ET by Clear thinker Then why did the NRA give him a standing ovation? "Friday, Fred addressed a group of friends in Washington, D.C. At the NRA’s Celebration of American Values the audience gave the Senator multiple standing ovations for his defense of the 2nd Amendment." Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Or why did Sacs link also September 26, 2007 - 15:15 ET by MightyMouth Or why did Sac's link also include this RP BJ without showing the voting record as they did with Thompson? Something's fishy here. "There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says... Login or register to post comments Email this page Go ask 'em... September 26, 2007 - 15:18 ET by sarcasmo I'm sure as hell not scared of Ron's pro-gun record, and Ron's sure as hell not the one buying-up gunshow space to prevent inconvenient people like me from educating gun owners. Like it or not, the NRA has no monopoly on being pro-gun. What don't you like about Paul's record, or do you just dislike any site that treats it fairly?? JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page or do you just dislike any site that treats it fairly?? September 26, 2007 - 15:27 ET by MightyMouth How did the site treat it fairly? I checked your link to Thompson's record and then thought: "wonder what they said about Paul?". Lo and behold the treatments where completely different. If you don't think so open up each link in a browser and compare side by side. They did not give Paul a vote by vote break down like they did Thompson. "There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says... Login or register to post comments Email this page SO what?? September 26, 2007 - 15:30 ET by sarcasmo Maybe they didn't dislike any of his votes?? As I said, go ask 'em if you don't like what they've said, and I'm SURE Dr. Paul's voting record on guns is quite available 'netwide. Chances are good GOA was as fair in this to Fred as the NRA would-be or is to Ron, if my guess is correct, so I don't see any issue at all... JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page Looks like Ernest is worse than Fred. September 26, 2007 - 16:04 ET by MightyMouth Fred Thompson ACTUAL VOTING RECORD. Ron Paul ACTUAL VOTING RECORD. Open em side by side sarcasmo. WRT gun control, these guys seem about dead even to me. "There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says... Login or register to post comments Email this page And we all know September 26, 2007 - 16:13 ET by sarcasmo "Dead even" is the same as "worse" in your book, eh? And good try on the "Ernest," too! Frankly, I'll take gunowners.org's word on lots of votes with extensive research over "Votesmart's" word on exactly-2 votes any day. Sorry, but that dog won't hunt, either. JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page I said "about dead even" I September 26, 2007 - 16:19 ET by MightyMouth I said "about dead even" I was giving Paul the benefit of the doubt. Statistically he's a little worse. And if you prefer rhetoric over voting record, you're losing credibility faster than ever around here. "There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says... Login or register to post comments Email this page Strikes 2 and 3. September 26, 2007 - 16:22 ET by sarcasmo You don't say how he's "a little worse," and since they're in 2 different bodies you really can't anyway. And you're also hallucinating any preference of rhetoric over record, so that's the strikeout on your credibility when talking about what I say/believe. I'll just keep posting this link, since it seems to have the desired effect!! Thanks for playing! JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page You can't be serious. I September 26, 2007 - 16:29 ET by MightyMouth You can't be serious. I posted both the actual voting records on gun issues. They are extremely close. Doesn't matter that they were in different "bodies". The are the only thing that actually counts; the actual votes. By your logic there cannot be any comparison because they voted on different issues and had different numbers of opportunities. So if you cannot compare their voting records why are you comparing their voting records? "There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says... Login or register to post comments Email this page MM... Watch it, sarc September 26, 2007 - 16:30 ET by Clear thinker MM... Watch it, sarc hates when people use logic! Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page MM... Sarcs just pissed September 26, 2007 - 15:48 ET by Clear thinker MM... Sarcs just pissed because I posted something earlier in todays 'open thread' that showed how whacky RP supporters are. There are times I wonder if sarc is one of them. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page That's crap. September 26, 2007 - 15:53 ET by sarcasmo I'm very happy today, residual from that crook Ted Stevens being in trouble -- and that fact seems to upset the big-spender lobby here, too! :) It's very hard to be pissed off when the government is FINALLY putting a crook like OJ or Ted Stevens in the slammer, you know! But nice try at avoiding Fred's anti-gun record!! JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page What crap? "Friday, September 26, 2007 - 15:56 ET by Clear thinker What crap? "Friday, Fred addressed a group of friends in Washington, D.C. At the NRA’s Celebration of American Values the audience gave the Senator multiple standing ovations for his defense of the 2nd Amendment." Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Keep trying! September 26, 2007 - 16:14 ET by sarcasmo But that mediocre record remains... JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page Ron Pauls record, September 26, 2007 - 16:21 ET by Clear thinker Ron Pauls record, right? Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Because they have a history September 26, 2007 - 15:15 ET by sarcasmo Of supporting authoritarian statists -- hence the need for a GOA/JPFO/Brass-Roots/etc. instead of the one-stop shopping the news media so-desperately wants. Why not address the GOA concerns? I've seen Rudy, with the right weasel-words, manage to get "conservative" Republicans loudly-cheering all 8 years of Clinton's Al-Qaeda-recruiting term, so I don't count much for the alleged "intelligence" of crowds -- even ostensibly "conservative" Republican crowds -- to be brutally-frank about it...Crowds get fooled quite often these days, especially with our biased news media. Let's focus on votes, shall we??? JMR Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. Login or register to post comments Email this page Clear Thinker...Fred September 26, 2007 - 16:18 ET by Conservative Voice I gave him a C, because he passes, I give the NRA a C as well. But the NRA has slipped in my opinion, because I think any citizen should be able to own any gun, including the insane or criminals who have done their time. Guns are tools and nothing more. An insane person is of little threat if the citizens are well armed....and truth be told the insane will find a way to do what they feel they need to do despite whatever law that says otherwise. I gave Romney a C- because he agrees with the NRA mostly. Rudy a D- because he thinks gun control was a good thing in NYC. He would have an F if he was Rosie, and campaigned we should have NYC law as the law of the country. Unlike Hillary, I don't think Rudy will do that. Login or register to post comments Email this page CV... Your comment about September 26, 2007 - 16:24 ET by Clear thinker CV... Your comment about the insane worries me. And I'm betting that the students at VT would agree with me. I know that criminals can get guns anyway, but it still think it makes no sense to give a known criminal a right to own a gun. Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Ct, September 26, 2007 - 16:29 ET by Dave R Problem is, who gets to define where the line is drawn in the sanity area? Liberal mental health professionals? Slippery slope, that is. When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference. Login or register to post comments Email this page Dave... Then it should be September 26, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Clear thinker Dave... Then it should be left up to me ;-) You make a valid point, so for now can we go with 'criminally insane"? Get Email updates from Fred http://socialnet.imwithfred.com/email_alert_july_26.html Login or register to post comments Email this page Ct, September 26, 2007 - 16:48 ET by Dave R Yeah, I can go along with that if it is a decision made by the courts. I just don't want it in the hands of people who think we of the conservative gun-owner persuasion are all nuts to begin with. I mean, I wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell as half the people here at NB think I'm nuts as it is. LOL-What chance would I have with a mental-health professional? When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference. Login or register to post comments Email this page Even with the courts, who is September 26, 2007 - 16:56 ET by