I guess I am taking kind of a chance here. I am taking one of the more popular members of this site to the woodshed and there might be some backlash. I am referring to futbolisgreat.
I was on the discussion with the Bill Maher thread yesterday. I really don't want to make this about religion, but rather about something he said about covering things up.
It was kind of shocking when he implied that even if he knew a family member or I guess a very close church friend that he considerers family was a pediphile and was taking advantage of little kids, he would not turn them in. What is more, he is accusing me of having a lousy family, because I said I would do otherwise.
In futbolisgreats world, he would not even turn the familiy member in, if that person was one of the people that flew the plane into the world trade center. Yes I know that is an extreme comparision, but I feel pedophilia is about as extreme as you can get.
So NBers is blood thinker than water no matter what?
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is it okay to turn in a family member?
April 15, 2008 - 10:43 ET by shawn228I am not talking about Jay walking, drugs stealing, cheating or a DUI. I am talking about taking advantage of kids or mass murder. Is it okay to turn in a family member if you knew they have done something horrible that effects other peoples families?
I agree with you, Shawn.
April 17, 2008 - 19:08 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree with you, Shawn. Pedophilia, especially.
We all know what happened in "Striking Distance".
thx Roger
April 18, 2008 - 00:11 ET by shawn228I also am liking how the Pope is addressing this situation by comforting some of the victims.
I do not understand the reference to Striking Distance. That was the movie with a very cute young Sarah Jessica Parker right? At least you didn't bring up Hudson Hawk:-)
Right. Dennis Farina was
April 18, 2008 - 16:19 ET by Roger the ShrubberRight.
Dennis Farina was covering for Robert Pastorelli's murders because he was his son. Plus, Bruce Willis still had some hair.
I would certainly advise
April 15, 2008 - 19:49 ET by AvatarI would certainly advise them to turn themselves in first, barring that, yes, i WOULD turn in a family member for pedophilia or murder. It is my obligation to society and to my Lord to protect the innocent potential victims of my deranged family member.
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twisting futbalisgreats words?
April 15, 2008 - 22:08 ET by shawn228I just want to make sure I don't get accused of twisting futbals words. I'm pretty sure he is referring to the brotherhood of the Catholic Church as his family. Lets take a look at what he said.
"Kind of sad to have a sense of family and honor? Only you.
YOu don't know what I would do to him, punishment stays within the
family. So don't assume. I think the punishment would start by me
finding out he/she is a pedophile.
If the police caught him/her, I would do everything legally and
morally within my power to help them and defend them. Does it mean
that I believe he/her did right, that I agree with the horrific action,
of course not.
but it is NOT my place to denounce publicly (key word there, publicly) any family member of mine.
I would never turn a family member into the police or admit pubicly any of the sins of a family member.
I think the sad one is you. That you fail to understand this, speaks tons of who you are."
Am I misinterpreting something or is he saying, the Church was right to keep this under wraps and anyone whistle blower is bad person?
Circling the wagons i
April 16, 2008 - 15:53 ET by AvatarCircling the wagons i believe is the term i would ascribe to that. My father's a pastor, and was the circuit pastor when one of the other local pastors was engaged in questionable activity. There was no circling the wagons here, the pastors from that circuit immediately advised the offending pastor to step down, which he did.
There are ways to clean your own house out, like the above example. The church is NOT a club, or a brotherhood of priests or pastors to protect 'club honor' by feigning ignorance when the guilt is clear. Pastors and priests are to lead by example, and it says far more about a synod that adequately cleans their own house and admits it's mistakes and tries to rectify them, rather than the synod that tries to hide and cover up the misdeeds of it's clergy.
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Not turning in pediphiles
April 17, 2008 - 10:29 ET by shawn228Circling the wagons is a good term. Would you say the poster in question is implying whisleblowers have no honor, or am I misreading it?
I would agree with that
April 17, 2008 - 17:14 ET by AvatarI would agree with that assessment.
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Without a doubt!
April 15, 2008 - 20:00 ET by SyriusNo justification to harbor a criminal. I'd try to be the first to hand them over to the authorities and if there was a reward I'd hand it over to the victim or their family.
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"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
That would be the right thing to do Syrius
April 15, 2008 - 22:01 ET by shawn228I appreciate your common sense and logic
"Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered. . ."
April 15, 2008 - 22:27 ET by tracheostomySo I'm opting out of this thread completely.
I abhor kicking a man when he's down. The thread in question was sickening enough. You wanna dig it up just to have another go at it.
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"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
kicking futbol when he is down?
April 15, 2008 - 22:46 ET by shawn228I hardly believe I am kicking futbol when he is down, he sure seemed like he was making no apologies for his stance.
I truly want to know if he meant what he said about the Church is right for keeping this stuff under wraps or just trying to get attention.
Also most NB members identify with Futbols beliefs much more than mine and he is pretty well liked as well. I just want to have some honest answers about how many people agree with his logic in the case of coverups, when it involves your family/church family
I am also curious if members will defend him because he is a popular member or agree that his thinking is on the wrong end of the moral spectrum