I would like to get one thing straight - at least here on NB...
Abortion is not a "religious issue." It fits the definition of murder in that it is pre-meditated and carefully planned. It also fits the definition of genocide and holocaust in that it is massive and systematic. There are many non-religious people and groups that oppose abortion.
I want to make it clear that I don't enjoy referring to abortion mothers as murderers. It must hurt like hell to hear something like that on top of the significant pain and suffering she has already experienced. So I refrain from the language more often than not.
But euphemistic and innacurate terms like "fetus" and "pro-choice" are numbing our society to this horrific practice. It is destroying our modern civilization. I therefore feel forced to remind people of the realities of the situation.
It is simply the deliberate killing of a person - therefore already illegal according to current laws - we don't need any additional legislation to correct this - simply enforcement. And the right to life must be a pillar of any political party platform for me to participate.
Citizens like me are serious about this. We don't need a Republican president by any stretch of the imagination to accomplish our civic tasks, and therefore should not be taken for granted by the RNC. Due to it's inherently uncivil nature Roe will inevitably be overturned - no matter who is ever elected - and pro-choice Republicans may actually slow down the process, not speed it up...
There is a new film called "Lake of Fire" which "lets it all hang out" on both sides of the issue - even including the display of an actual abortion prodedure - the filming of someone being killed - very rarely allowed if ever in civilized circles...
It will be very interesting to see the reaction from both sides. I don't expect a major change right away - but I feel very positive about this film from what I hear so far.
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Would you criminalize the genocide of abortion?
Sat, 10/20/2007 - 03:12 ET by Daniel BakerI would throw the male in jail for every abortion.
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as i said it's already
Sat, 10/20/2007 - 12:12 ET by TruthMongeras i said it's already criminalized under existing law
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Sat, 10/20/2007 - 04:51 ET by Cool Arrow"I want to make it clear that I don't enjoy referring to abortion mothers as murderers.It must hurt like hell to hear something like that on top of the significant pain and suffering she has already experienced".
Yeah, and while we're at it let's pity the Menendez brothers because they're orphans.
And the OJ story breaks my heart because he's a widower.
Think of the suicide mom now barren because she strapped a bomb to her son.
Gosh, I'm lost on this pity twisting angle.
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pity twisting? you cast
Sat, 10/20/2007 - 12:17 ET by TruthMongerpity twisting? you cast that first stone then bro
otherwise we don't condemn you either - go and sin no more
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I got a whole bag of
Sat, 10/20/2007 - 14:20 ET by liberal_bug_zapperI got a whole bag of stones... and a homemade sling. Like a bullet. Won't need hundreds to do the job and take out the murderess. Only a couple will do.
You murder a baby; you and anyone who helps you should be put to death.
Do you not think it strange that Scott Peterson was convicted of double homicide under California's fetal homicide law, yet every mother who gets an abortion, and every doctor who performs one are not murderers? What you said above is true... we have millions of cases of pre-meditated murder... and all for what?? SO people can have sex as much as they want without consequences?
Abortion is murder... and until we treat it as such, this country will continue to go to hell in a hand basket.
Why is that you ask?
No sanctity of life. The funny thing is... I'm not even a Christian, nor am I religious... so I have no compunction about saying these things.
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i shall not nitpick here
Sat, 10/20/2007 - 14:35 ET by TruthMongeri shall not nitpick here about casting stones - as I said this is not necessarily a religious issue - but stone casting is not for the pro-life Christian IMHO...
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Good thing I'm not a
Sun, 10/21/2007 - 07:25 ET by liberal_bug_zapperGood thing I'm not a Christian then.
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Fri, 10/26/2007 - 04:57 ET by Cool ArrowLet me get this straight.
Respect Gestapo opens a thread proclaiming "Abortion is not a religious issue", and immediately falls all over himself with two refutations from the Good Book.
Maybe you should rethink the heading of your thread. While you're at it, rethink the real message you're trying to convey. So far your Liberal styling isn't cutting it.
cool - I know I burned
Fri, 10/26/2007 - 11:15 ET by TruthMongercool - I know I burned you on your anti-Muslim predjudice
but don't trash your whole reputation with posts like these
its a good thing for you i suffer fools with herculean strength
the libs are trying to push abortion aside as a "religious issue" which does not belong in government - i say that's wrong
the lights are on man - are you home?
Jimbo says "Truth IS a Muslim" and Blonde says "truth, take your Christian evangelism to the forums," and TM is quite amused:)
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Sun, 10/28/2007 - 04:45 ET by Cool ArrowPlease, look now, I'm not the only one staring in amazement at your recent meltdown into apologism.
Your "herculean strength" is obvious as you dismiss your opponent with "thou fool". Sorry, Truthie, that's known as weakness.
You didn't burn me with my anti-Muslim prejudice, I simply pointed out to you that you were equating the Moon god with Yahweh.
You're good at the cut and run tactic. And hiding your newfound belief that Jesus was just a prophet behind a Sacred Heart picture.
BTW Truthie, abortion is a moral issue, a religious issue, a political issue. Your insistance in classifying it as a single level issue is silly.
just trying to keep the
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 10:36 ET by TruthMongerjust trying to keep the pro-abortion crowd from marginalizing it off the political page - get a clue, bro
Jesus is my Lord and Savior - I have two years of NB posts to back that up, and if you continue to lie about my faith beliefs I will eventually pursue action with the NB admins
Apologist, Satanist, Ass, Idiot, Jihad boy - when the names start flying in desperation I know I've won the argument hands down
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Mon, 10/29/2007 - 10:47 ET by Cool ArrowI've called you an apologist. I stand by it from your recent posts. I don't recall using any of the other monnikers you refer to in your reply to me.
If I gleaned from your post that you believe abortion is not a religious issue, maybe it's because that's exactly what you posted.
Maybe you should get a clue, Truthie. Say what you mean and mean what you say. There was no disclaimer or hint of sarcasm in your premise. But I can appreciate your need to backpeddle at this point.
Bush
Tue, 10/30/2007 - 11:37 ET by TruthMongerBush apologist
Limbaugh apologist
Coulter apologist
and now...terrorist apologist
I've been called apologist plenty here before, but I don't use the term myself - it's an embarassingly pathetic surrender
You seem to have serious trouble comprehending my ideas while most others here do not - therefore the trouble you're having doesn't seem to be on my end...
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Report me to the admins ....
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 10:54 ET by JimboReport me to the admins .... PLEASE!
I believe the Muslim religion AS A WHOLE is not doing enough to denounce terrorism. I also beleive in our mission in the Middle East to root out and eliminate all terrorists and their supporters. That's my opinion and my right, just like it is yours to sympathize with their silence. If that makes me anti Muslim, so be it.
If I don't believe 90% of what you post, it's because I think you are a disingenuous person with a series of hidden agendas.
So report me!!!
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
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Mon, 10/29/2007 - 11:01 ET by Cool ArrowReckon NB will make us sit in the corner?
I mean, he is the NB Respect Police and all.
Cool
Mon, 10/29/2007 - 11:06 ET by JimboI can't think of anything he could have said to indicate that he is losing his argument and getting frustrated than "I am going to report you to the admins".
He basically saying that if "I can't prove you wrong, I'll have you shut up so I can continue to spew this Islamic nonsense unchallenged."
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
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Mon, 10/29/2007 - 11:19 ET by Cool ArrowWhat would Buddha do?
Guess while we're making pure pablum out of personal religious beliefs we gotta include the fat guy too.
Oh, NO. Now Leon's gonna side with Truthie.
flail away boys - you
Tue, 10/30/2007 - 11:32 ET by TruthMongerflail away boys - you really help me make my case:) thank-you so much
BTW you are adults, correct...? Or do your parents know you're on NB:)...
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the admins would have to
Tue, 10/30/2007 - 11:36 ET by TruthMongerthe admins would have to agree with me for that Jimbo
or is that what you are afraid of?
if you are so correct you should be happy to bring this to the admins - but I really sense you and cool are maybe a bit too concerned about that:)...?
boy I sure am losing here aren't I? Hee-hee-hee...
go ahead - lob another one in desperation - I can wait - for decades...
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your beliefs are
Tue, 10/30/2007 - 11:56 ET by TruthMongeryour beliefs are essentially what I'm trying to address here - congrats Jimbo - this whole "respect" and "religious partnering" topic is now largely about you - demonstrated via your own posts here
You can certainly disagree with my partnership ideas, that's fine with me. But maybe instead of the name-calling and "because-I-say-so" approach, why don't you try asking questions if you don't agree - that will help us both learn and maybe come to a workable agreement on this...
You and I are essentially a microcosm of a huge and unhealthy American problem right now regarding hostility towards Islam - America used to have a more severe problem with Jews just a few decades ago but that is now dissapting - so now with regard to Muslims we are both working through a clash of difficult religious and civic issues and attempting to engineer a delicate balance between partnership with Islam and accountability towards pressuring these criminals who hate and terrorize in the name of religion...
A worldwide social partnership with the vast majority of decent Muslims - and fortunately we have about 50 million here now in the US to lobby directly - this partnership can help increase and expedite the pressure against these religious-based hate groups...
United we stand...
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You're absolutely right.
Wed, 10/31/2007 - 08:30 ET by TheCableGuyAbortion is a fundamentally Constitutional issue, and the Constitution is fundamentally secular.
The problem with Roe is that the wrong issues were argued. The Constitution is valid in respect to an individual, however, your rights end where another person's rights begin.
The question then becomes, is a fetus a person/individual? To me, the pro-lifers (however they arrive at their postion) make a stronger case then the pro-choicers do, because they are arguing the relevant issue. OF COURSE a mother has a right to choose, but she CAN'T choose to kill her one month old child, can she?
It stands to reason then, that the courts (or Congress, even better) have to decide when a fetus becomes an individual whose rights are protected under the Constitution; in this way, you could protect the unborn without ever overturning Roe v. Wade.
I, for one, can accept the middle ground and say that a fetus becomes an individual-- and thus subject to the protections of the Constitution-- at the point at which they would be able to survive outside the womb, seperate from the mothe,r with the help of medical science, with a better than 51% chance of survival. Most doctors would say that you reach this point at the 5th month of pregnancy, or so.
Barring that, the only other acceptable position would be no abortions at all; in other words, life begins at conception.
absolutely - what about the
Wed, 10/31/2007 - 15:17 ET by TruthMongerabsolutely - what about the child's rights? The "fetus" is always innocent...
Much like the "many innocent death row inmates" the pro-abortion crowd loves to whine about...
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