I'm officially changing my election drinking-game from 'drink whenever you hear/see the word quixotic' to 'drink for all name-calling.' Here's to a cheerful new year along with a merry Christmas!!
JMR
Who Are These Kooks?
By Chuck Baldwin
December 18, 2007
This column is archived at
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071218.html
According to the Associated Press, "Republican presidential hopeful
Ron Paul's supporters raised over $6 million Sunday to boost the
10-term congressman's campaign for the White House."
The AP report also said, "The [Paul] campaign's previous fundraiser
brought in $4.2 million."
According to the Paul campaign website, "In a 24-hour period on
December 16, the campaign raised $6.026 million dollars, surpassing
the one-day record of $5.7 million held by John Kerry.
"During the day, over 58,000 people contributed to Dr. Paul's
campaign, including 24,940 first-time donors. Over 118,000 Americans
have donated to the campaign in the fourth quarter.
"The $6 million one-day total means the campaign has raised over $18
million this quarter, far exceeding its goal of $12 million."
Now, if one listens to most of the political pundits in the major
media, Ron Paul is some kind of "kook," and his supporters are also a
bunch of "kooks." So, the question must be asked, Just who are these
kooks that are supporting him, and why are they giving Ron Paul all this
money?
First, let's take a look at this "kook" who is receiving all this
money. Ron Paul was born the third son of Howard and Margaret Paul,
and was brought up with a work ethic in which one worked six days a
week and went to church on Sunday. His first job was at age 5 helping
his uncle wash bottles. He worked all the way through his youth mowing
lawns, delivering newspapers, working in a drug store, delivering
furniture and laundry, etc.
In high school, Ron was a track star, winning state as a junior in the
220-yard dash and running 2nd in the 440. His time in the 100-yard
dash was 9.8. That's pretty good. I was never able to break 10-flat in
the 100. Although, I bet I could have beaten him in the 50-yard dash.
He also wrestled in high school. Coincidentally, so did I. But here
Ron leaves me: he was president of the student council and an honor
student. I never accomplished that. I was just glad to get promoted to
the next grade. Even as a senior statesman, Ron Paul keeps himself in
terrific shape. Have you seen him lately? He still maintains a
rigorous exercise regimen.
Ron's two brothers are both ministers, and he became a medical doctor.
He graduated from Duke University School of Medicine. When the Cuban
Missile Crisis arose, Ron became a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air
Force. He also served in the Air National Guard.
As an OB/GYN physician, Dr. Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies,
and he and his wife, Carol, have been married for more than 50 years.
They have 5 children, 18 grandchildren and 1 great-grandchild. Ron
Paul is currently in his 10th term as a congressman from Texas.
As a congressman, Ron Paul has never taken a government-paid junket.
He is not accepting a government pension. He returns a portion of his
office budget every year to the taxpayers. As a member of Congress, he
has never voted a raise for himself. Do you know any other member of
Congress that can make such a claim? Of course you don't, because Ron
Paul is truly one-of-a-kind.
Former President Ronald Reagan said this about Ron Paul, "Ron Paul is
one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national
defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our
armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him
fighting for our country."
Perhaps this helps explain why many of the "kooks" supporting Ron Paul
are active-duty military personnel. In fact, Ron Paul has received
more campaign contributions from active-duty military personnel than
any other Presidential candidate from either party.
But who are the other "kooks" supporting Ron Paul? What kind of people
give more than $18 million in a quarter-year to a Presidential
candidate that is almost universally ignored by the mainstream press?
What kind of people give record contributions to a Presidential
candidate that is lampooned by his fellow Republican Presidential
contenders?
For example, Mike Huckabee recently said he could support any of the
other Republican Presidential contenders (including Rudy Giuliani),
except Ron Paul. That means, Mike Huckabee would rather support a
pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control liberal such as
Giuliani than support the pro-life, pro-traditional marriage,
pro-Second Amendment candidacy of Ron Paul. Why is that?
Furthermore, why are the entire major media and establishment
Republican machine either ignoring or lampooning a distinguished Air
Force veteran, medical doctor, and ten-term Congressman? What is it
about Ron Paul that the elite are so afraid of?
Here is something else: while Ron Paul's contributions have exploded,
Mike Huckabee is all but broke! How can that be? How can a political
"front-runner" be out of money, while a man who "doesn't have a
chance" is breaking fundraising records?
So, who are these "kooks" who are sending Ron Paul so much money? And
just why are they sending him so much money? I will tell you who they
are, because I am one of them. They are rank-and-file, tax-paying
citizens who are sick and tired of out-of-control federal spending and
deficits. They have had it with an arrogant federal government that
runs roughshod over both the Constitution and the liberties of the
American people. They are people who have had enough of the IRS, the
BATFE, and a thousand other federal agencies that have "erected a
multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass
our people, and eat out their substance." (Declaration of
Independence)
They are people who see through the phony, disingenuous federal
politicians who only want to fleece the American citizenry for the
purpose of building their own personal fortunes. They have had it with
the Military-Industrial complex that desires to build international
empires at the expense of the blood and sacrifice of the American
people. They have had it with David Rockefeller and his Council on
Foreign Relations. They have had it with the arrogance of George W.
Bush and Nancy Pelosi.
They are sick and tired of paying outlandish taxes for a public
education system that produces high school graduates who cannot read
and write. They are sick and tired of working for 30 years to pay off
a mortgage, only then to be forced to pay extortion money (a.k.a.
property taxes) for the rest of their lives to the feudal state. They
are sick and tired of the government telling them what they can and
cannot do with their own property. They are sick and tired of watching
people with food stamps buy T-bone steaks and expensive Nike tennis
shoes while they are forced to buy fatty hamburger and cheap sneakers.
They are sick and tired of watching their manufacturing jobs go to
China and India. They have had it with money-hungry businessmen who
hire illegal Mexicans at slave labor wages. They have had it with
labor unions promoting politicians who support NAFTA, CAFTA, and the
FTAA. They are sick and tired of being bled dry at the gas pump.
They have had it with this phony "war on terrorism" that sends
trillions of dollars to nations throughout the Middle East, but
refuses to close our own borders to illegal immigration. They have had
it with the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror" being used as
excuses to trample people's freedoms. They have it with Vicente Fox
and Felipe Calderon. They have had it with Bush's North American
Union. They have had it with Joel Osteen and Rick Warren. In short,
they have just had it!
They also know that a vote for any other Presidential candidate is a
vote for more of the same. Democrat or Republican: it is more of the
same. Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone, will bring a revolution of freedom
and independence to America. Believe me, the Ron Paul revolution is
bigger than Ron Paul. This is the beginning of a movement.
No matter what ultimately happens to Ron Paul's candidacy, the fight
to return America to its roots of freedom and independence has
started. The fire is lit. There is no putting it out. There will be
other Ron Pauls, other campaigns, other spokesmen, other fundraising.
The people supporting Ron Paul will not be silenced; they will not be
ignored; they will not be intimidated. In truth, Ron Paul's campaign
may just be the beginning of the end of the elitist, globalist,
stranglehold over America.
As one who is also fed up with the globalist goons that dominate the
two major parties, I join the Ron Paul revolution and vow to fight for
the rest of my life for the freedom and independence of these United
States. This means I will never again support a business-as-usual,
millionaires-club, globalist toady from either party ever again! I
will only support candidates who are fully committed to restoring
constitutional government. If that makes me a kook, so be it.
(c) Chuck Baldwin
Editor at Large
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Ron is right, sarc only
December 18, 2007 - 12:42 ET by TruthMongerRon is right, sarc
only if we do things his way he will destroy America as we have come to know it
America as we have come to know it does need destroying
Are you ready for the pain involved...?
It will be like 12 root canals at the same time...
while getting a colonic...
in a room temperature of 20 degrees F...
on a bed of nails...
Our good ol liberal infestation will make it their mission in life won't they:)?
Apparently my
December 18, 2007 - 16:22 ET by Free StinkerApparently my brother-in-law is one of those kooks too.
I'm not looking forward to listening to him this Christmas.
Free Stinker...
December 19, 2007 - 11:40 ET by Clear thinkerHand your Bro-in-law a Fred bumper sticker every time he starts talking about RP.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
CT
December 20, 2007 - 21:30 ET by Free StinkerCT - Thanks!
I needed the laugh. And I think I'll give that a try. ;-)
Newsbusters. Log on and find out What the heck is so yummy over here!
He forgot to..
December 19, 2007 - 05:57 ET by Sua Sponte 75include the twoofers, 9/11 was an inside job, white supremacists, islamofacists, Holocaust deniers, UFOers....and oh yea, don't forget the hookers....
Ron Paul has raised himself a nice little bundle of cash today, making a point to 'remember the 5th of November.' I wonder why? (http://en.wikipedia....)
David Freddoso of National Review says this should make us take Paul more seriously (http://corner.nation...) , a statement which makes me inclined to take Freddoso less seriously.
If Freddoso actually wants us to judge the seriousness of presidential candidates based on their ability to raise money, let's take a look at the numbers. According to Open Secrets, Ron Paul has managed to raise (http://www.opensecre...) about $8 million. That is considerable, and today's fundraising is impressive. Until, that is, you compare it to what other candidates have managed to raise.
Hillary Clinton - $90 million
Barack Obama - $80 million
John Edwards - $30 million
Mitt Romney - $62 million
Rudy Giuliani - $47 million
John McCain - $32 million
Fred Thompson - $12 million
With the exception of Thompson, who entered the race late, the other candidates have raised considerably more money, and poll more than the margin of error (http://www.realclear...) . If anything, these fundraising numbers should make the Thompson campaign nervous. They certainly should not be a cause for celebration among the Paulbots.
There are two major reasons the Ron Paul candidacy should not be taken seriously. One is Ron Paul, the other is his supporters (http://hotair.com/ar...) . The evidence against Ron Paul is very(http://hotair.com/ar...) , very (http://hotair.com/ar...) , very (http://hotair.com/ar...) , very (http://hotair.com/ar...) , very (http://hotair.com/ar...) disturbing. Paul finds common cause with conspiracy theorists, white supremacists and lounge singers (http://www.reason.co...) and he is using the Republican presidential primary to advance his message, not his candidacy.
In my opinion, that makes Ron Paul a disgraceful politician. Paul was elected as a Republican, campaigns as a Republican, takes money from the Republican party and is given a platform for his message during Republican debates. And yet he’s repeatedly stated that once the primary is over, he will not campaign on behalf of the Republican nominee, endorse the Republican nominee or vote for the Republican nominee.
What kind of man takes money and attention from a party when it helps him, then spits in their face after getting what he wants? This entitlement attitude, when looked at within the context of who supports Paul and what Paul believes, does not reflect well on the character of the man who claims to be the "hope for America."
Ron Paul on Iranian Nukes: No Big Deal
http://hotair.com/ar...
http://muslimsvotero...
How YOU can HELP Palestine and END American Sponsored Oppression
-In between panders and paeans to Hispanics, Ron Paul found an opportunity to insert a “Blame America” rant (http://hotair.com/ar...)
MODERATOR: It’s the presidential forum, the Republican one. We’re going to talk about something else. Now we’re going to talk about Latin America. A week ago, exactly a week ago, Venezuela rejected changes to the constitution, but the president, Hugo Chavez…
(APPLAUSE)
President Hugo Chavez has insisted that he’s going to propose them again. Many consider him a threat to democracy in the region. If you were elected president, how would you deal with Chavez? Let’s start with Congressman John Paul — Ron Paul, sorry.
PAUL: Well, he’s not the easiest person to deal with, but we should deal with everybody around the world the same way: with friendship and opportunity to talk and try to trade with people.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
PAUL: We talked to — we talked to Stalin, we talked to Khrushchev, we’ve talked to Mao, and we’ve talked to the world, and we get along with people.
PAUL: Actually, I believe we’re at a time where we even ought to talk to Cuba and trade and travel to Cuba.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
(APPLAUSE)
But let me — let me tell you — let me tell you why — let me tell you why we have a problem in South America and Central America: because we’ve been involved in their internal affairs for so long. We have been meddling in their business.
(APPLAUSE)
We create the Chavezes of the world, we create the Castros of the world by interfering and creating chaos in their countries, and they respond by throwing out their leader.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
(APPLAUSE)
MODERATOR: Thank you, Congressman.
-Islamic Dictatorships for Ron Paul
Iran’s Press TV knows a friend when they see one: Paul: Bush betrayed people’s trust. http://www.presstv.i...
-And here’s video of The Only Crazy Uncle Who Can Save America on Fox and Friends this morning, saying, “When fascism comes to this country it’ll be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
http://www.youtube.c...
-Despite Ron Paul’s comment (a Sinclair Lewis quote, actually) about fascism, the real fascists seem to wholeheartedly support him.
David Duke digs Ron Paul. A lot. http://64.233.169.10...
And so do these freaks: White Civil Rights » Donate Now!!! Ron Paul Dec. 16th Fund-Raiser!!
http://209.85.173.10...
Lets not forget the Wacko leftist web site Counterpunch who has found someone worthy of their support: http://www.counterpu...
A dastardly plot is afoot to silence The Only Man Who Can Save America: They Want To Kill Ron Paul.
Best-selling author and Bilderberg sleuth Daniel Estulin says he has received information from sources inside the U.S. intelligence community which suggests that people from the highest levels of the U.S. government are considering an assassination attempt against Congressman Ron Paul because they are threatened by his burgeoning popularity.
Estulin, whose information has unfortunately proven very accurate in the past, went public with the bombshell news during an appearance on The Alex Jones Show today.
“I am getting information from my sources that there are people involved from a higher level of the American establishment who are seriously considering - this has not been confirmed - but assassination is definitely on the agenda and I pray to God that this is not the case,” said Estulin.
http://politicalvind...
Heh…..what men you may ask…..TOP MEN!
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Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.
Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
He’s not just a kook any more—now he’s a kook with a whole lot of money: Paul raises $6 million in 24-hour effort.
COLUMBIA, S.C. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul’s supporters raised over $6 million Sunday to boost the 10-term Texas congressman’s campaign for the White House.
Called a “Money Bomb,” the goal was to raise as much money as possible on the Internet in one day. The campaign’s previous fundraiser brought in $4.2 million.
At midnight EST, donations were over $6 million, according to the campaign Web site. Those donations are processed credit card receipts, said Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton.
http://news.yahoo.co...
HT ACE
From the CNN/YouTube GOP Debate Wednesday night:
From the CNN/YouTube GOP Debate Wednesday night:
YouTube question: Good evening, candidates. This is (inaudible) from Arlington, Texas, and this question is for Ron Paul.
I've met a lot of your supporters online, but I've noticed that a good number of them seem to buy into this conspiracy theory regarding the Council of Foreign Relations, and some plan to make a North American union by merging the United States with Canada and Mexico.
These supporters of yours seem to think that you also believe in this theory. So my question to you is: Do you really believe in all this, or are people just putting words in your mouth?
Cooper: Congressman Paul, 90 seconds.
Paul: Well, it all depends on what you mean by "all of this." the CFR exists, the Trilateral Commission exists. And it's a, quote, "conspiracy of ideas." This is an ideological battle. Some people believe in globalism. Others of us believe in national sovereignty.
And there is a move on toward a North American union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and it eventually ended up. So we had NAFTA and moving toward a NAFTA highway. These are real things. It's not somebody made these up. It's not a conspiracy. They don't talk about it, and they might not admit about it, but there's been money spent on it. There was legislation passed in the Texas legislature unanimously to put a halt on it. They're planning on millions of acres taken by eminent domain for an international highway from Mexico to Canada, which is going to make the immigration problem that much worse.
So it's not so much a secretive conspiracy, it's a contest between ideologies, whether we believe in our institutions here, our national sovereignty, our Constitution, or are we going to further move into the direction of international government, more U.N.
You know, this country goes to war under U.N. resolutions. I don't like big government in Washington, so I don't like this trend toward international government. We have a WTO that wants to control our drug industry, our nutritional products. So, I'm against all that.
But it's not so much as a sinister conspiracy. It's just knowledge is out there. If we look for it, you'll realize that our national sovereignty is under threat.
Cooper: Congressman Paul, thank you.
(Applause)
Ok, I know some of my readers are also apprehensive about such things as a "North American Union". I would be too.....if it posed an actual threat in the real world. I'm sorry, but lefties aren't the only ones that fall victim to conspiratorial fear-monger. I think the North American Union is nothing more than a conspiracy for conservatives. There isn't a single politician I can think of who is pushing for an NAU. If you know of one, let me know.
Given how ArPee believes there is cause for concern, is it any wonder that he's attracted 9/11 Truthers and so many other conspiracy nutjobs to rally to his call?
John Hawkins offers some of the best antidote to the conspiracy. I suggest you read my links in this previous post (includes articles by Michael Medved). You might sleep better at night.
Responding to Emily's YouTube question on "three federal programs you would reduce in size in order to decrease..." the size of government, Ron Paul answers:
I would like to change Washington, and we could by cutting three programs, such as the Department of Education -- Ronald Reagan used to talk about that -- Department of Energy, Department of Homeland Security is the biggest bureaucracy we ever had.
(Applause)
"Ronald Reagan used to talk about that".....*rolls eyes*
Why is it, that Ron Paul opportunistically likes to drape himself in the mantle of the Founding Fathers and Ronald Reagan, with whom he would be at odds with on the matter of foreign policy?
He also has cited how Nixon was voted into office by Americans because Nixon pledged to bring troops home on grounds of "peace with honor". But Ron Paul shares more with McGovern- the true anti-war candidate- than with Nixon on the Vietnam War; Nixon did not want to abandon our South Vietnamese allies and lose the country to communist rule.
I actually would like to see a push toward the reduction of the size of government, which may even involve the complete elimination of federal programs like the Department of Education and the Department of Agriculture.
Many conservatives have campaigned on promises of smaller government; but to the degree to which we'd like for this to happen, is it a plausible possibility, or a quixotic pie-crust promise? Easily made, easily broken?
And besides, what we can do is we can have a stronger national defense by changing our foreign policy. Our foreign policy is costing us a trillion dollars, and we can spend most of that or a lot of that money home if we would bring our troops home.
(Applause)
As in all things, there is criticism to be made in regards to our foreign policy; but the kind of criticism Ron Paul levels at current U.S. foreign policy, shares much in common with the blame-America criticism of Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky. If Ron Paul thinks American interventionism is not doing more good than harm on behalf of the world (and in particular, on behalf of America) then I suggest he drop Imperial Hubris for a moment, and read the following books:
Imperial Grunts and Hog Pilots and Blue Water Grunts, by Robert Kaplan.
Robert Kaplan has been embedding himself with small deployments, throughout the world. And he will stick with a unit for weeks- not just a day- to get to know the soldiers and to earn their trust. What our soldiers are doing in foreign lands benefits America and benefits humanity, around the world.
In an interview with Hugh Hewitt, Robert Kaplan says,
people have this image of the U.S. military going all over the world as a busybody, propping up dictatorships. It’s so false. In fact, the only regimes we prop up through training missions are of certified democracies, certified by Congress, which we have not imposed on them, that they’ve evolved organically on their own as democracies.
The Savage Wars of Peace, by Max Boot:
Far from being isolationist before World War II and the formation of NATO, America from the very beginning of the Republic intervened in a nearly continual series of civil wars, coups, and hostage rescues. Starting with attacks on the Barbary Coast pirates between 1801 and 1805, the nation has always interfered in other nations' business far from home.
Two generations of college students have been taught that all such "adventurism" is nothing but imperialism and running-dog capitalism--and Boot does not deny that states naturally send in their forces out of national interest rather than mere idealism. But he shows that the majority of the time the Marines intervened to stop the slaughter of civilians, to retaliate against the killing of Americans and destruction of their property, and to prevent chaos from spreading beyond a country's borders. While such incursions often served the local property-owning elites and corrupt grandees, such interventionists as Thomas Jefferson, Chester A. Arthur, and Teddy Roosevelt assumed that order and stable governments were usually preferable to mass uprisings, constant revolution, and mob rule.
Dangerous Nation, by Robert Kagan:
Americans, in fact, have always defined their interests broadly to include the defense and promotion of the “universal” principles of liberalism and democracy enunciated in the Declaration of Independence. “The cause of America is the cause of all mankind,” Benjamin Franklin declared at the time of the American revolution, and as William Appleman Williams once commented, Americans believe their nation “has meaning . . . only as it realizes natural right and reason throughout the universe”.
This is the real “traditional approach”: the conviction that American power and influence can and should serve the interests of humanity. It is what makes the US, in Bill Clinton’s words, the “indispensable na¬tion”, or as Dean Acheson colourfully put it six decades ago, “the locomotive at the head of mankind”. Americans do pursue their selfish interests and ambitions, sometimes brutally, as other nations have throughout history. Nor are they innocent of hypocrisy, masking selfishness behind claims of virtue. But Americans have always had this unique spur to global involvement, an ideological righteousness that inclines them to meddle in the affairs of others, to seek change, to insist on imposing their avowed “universal principles” usually through peaceful pressures but sometimes through war.
This enduring tradition has led Americans into some disasters where they have done more harm than good, and into triumphs where they have done more good than harm. These days, this conviction is strangely called “neo-conservatism”, but there is nothing “neo” and certainly nothing conservative about it. US foreign policy has almost always been a liberal foreign policy. As Mr Will put it, the “messianic impulse” has been “a constant of America’s national character, and a component of American patriotism” from the beginning.
The other constant, however, has been a self-image at odds with this reality. This distorted self-image has its own noble origins, reflecting a perhaps laudable liberal discomfort with power and a sense of guilt at being perceived as a bully, even in a good cause. When things go badly, as in Iraq, the cry goes up in the land for a change. There is a yearning, even among the self-proclaimed realists, for a return to an imagined past innocence, to the mythical “traditional approach”, to a virtuous time that never existed, not even at the glorious birth of the republic.
This is escapism, not realism. True realism would recognise America for what it is, an ambitious, ideological, revolutionary nation with a belief in its own world-transforming powers and a historical record of enough success to sustain that belief.
Coming off of an interview with Robert Kagan, Michael Medved writes,
Ignoring the long record of American involvement in such conflicts in every corner of the globe, those who question our current world-wide role express reverence for a simple-minded (and non existent) tradition of isolationism. They cite George Washington’s words in his celebrated Farewell Address of 1793: “The Great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign Nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible….’Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.” Jefferson also warned against “entangling alliances,” at the same time he negotiated a vast expansion of U.S. territory with France, and pursued the daring and difficult Barbary Wars.
Even Pat Buchanan, the three time Presidential candidate most often identified as a contemporary advocate of “isolationism,” rejects the idea that the nation ever cowered behind its Atlantic and Pacific “water walls.” In his provocative and beautifully written book “A Republic, Not an Empire,” (1999), Buchanan argues: “The idea that America was ever an isolationist nation is a myth, a useful myth to be sure, but nonetheless a malevolent myth that approaches the status of a big lie…. What is derided today as isolationism was the foreign policy under which the Republic grew from thirteen states on the Atlantic into a continent-wide nation that dominated the hemisphere and whose power reached to Peking….To call the foreign policy that produced this result “isolationist” is absurd. Americans were willing to go to war with the greatest powers in Europe, but only for American interests. They had no wish to take sides in European wars in which America had no stake.”
To hammer home how wrong Ron Paul is on foreign policy and a romanticized non-existent isolationist/non-interventionist past, Mike Boyer at Foreign Policy Passport Blog writes,
1. Foreign Policy and the Constitution. Paul is what you might call a Constitutional originalist. He divines his governing philosophy from the Constitution and America's Founders. But his understanding of their vision is profoundly flawed. Paul appears to believe the founders vested absolute authority for foreign-policy making in Congress, not the executive. "Policy is policy," Paul wrote in 2006, "and it must be made by the legislature and not the executive." But there's almost no evidence the founders saw it in such simplistic, absolute terms. Law professor Michael Ramsey, a former clerk for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, recently noted (pdf) this in very eloquent terms in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. Reasonable people can agree that Congress has failed its oversight responsibilities with regard to Iraq and the Bush Doctrine. But Paul's thinking here is simply not supported by the weight of historical evidence.
2. "Noninterventionism." This is the word Paul uses to describe his foreign policy, and he insists the term also encapsulates the vision of the Founders. While Paul claims "noninterventionism" is not isolationism, it sure sounds like it is. For instance, he even seeks to dismantle the Bretton Woods system of international cooperation born from the ashes of the Second World War (more on that below). Isolationism by any name, friends, is still isolationism. Sure, such sentiments were rampant in 18th and 19th century America and before WWII. The same sentiments are resurfacing today as a backlash against Iraq. Intelligent people can disagree about the Bush Doctrine's place in history. But let's not make up facts. The post-9/11 period has been filled with literature by such historians as John Lewis Gaddis and Walter Russell Mead debunking the notion that the founders were only concerned with domestic security and never saw an ideological component to America's place in the world.
Hat tip: American Power.
Here is McCain attacking Paul on the isolationist point (yeah, yeah, yeah...he's a "noninterventionist", because he wants to still "do trade" with other nations- do read the link, and then tell me if you really see a distinction between the terms):
McCain: I just want to also say that Congressman Paul, I've heard him now in many debates talk about bringing our troops home, and about the war in Iraq and how it's failed.
(Applause)
And I want to tell you that that kind of isolationism, sir, is what caused World War II. We allowed...
(Applause)
We allowed ...
(Audience booing)
Cooper: Allow him his answer. Allow him his answer, please.
McCain: We allowed -- we allowed Hitler to come to power with that kind of attitude of isolationism and appeasement.
(Audience booing)
And I want to tell you something, sir. I just finished having Thanksgiving with the troops, and their message to you is -- the message of these brave men and women who are serving over there is, "Let us win. Let us...
(Applause)
Cooper: We will -- please. We will get to Iraq...
(Applause)
All right. Let me just remind everyone that these people did take a lot of time to ask these questions, and so we do want direct questions to -- the answers. We will get to Iraq later, but I do have to allow Congressman Paul 30 seconds to respond.
Paul: Absolutely. The real question you have to ask is why do I get the most money from active duty officers and military personnel?
(Applause)
Is he talking about "donors identified as affiliated with the military,"?
Like everything else Ron-con-related, I believe he is spinning the results of this.
As the reporter in the Houston Chronicle says,
“many contributors do not disclose their occupations, making it difficult to determine the total extent of military contributions to any one candidate.”
More importantly, the amount of contributions are incredibly small, hardly proving much of anything. Beth adds in the Outside the Beltway comment section:
Also not understood by the obsessed Paulbots and other assorted antiwar nutters: the fact that "military employees" includes civil service employees of the various services. That means a GS-7 who works at Whatever Air Force Base in BFE, Idaho has their employer listed as "Air Force." For all we know, not one of those people is someone in uniform. I'm sure there are some, but it certainly is not all, nor is it indicative of some big antiwar sentiment in the military. For Paultards and Sullivan to extrapolate that idea from this is laughably absurd.
Furthermore, if one compares the 3rd Quarter statistics of Paul and McCain regarding the contribution amounts of those who do not list their employer, 100 dollars worth was given to Ron Paul's coffers, compared to that of McCain's: 2,244,223.39. Out of all of that money, how much of that could have been donated by active and retired veterans? Or "Affiliates" of the military? We don't know. But it seems clear, by the paltry $100 given by the person(s) not listing employment, that the Ron Paul supporters are overwhelmingly listing their employment when making contributions.
Michael Goldfarb at The Weekly Standard writes,
among all the candidates, the total number of contributors surveyed here numbered less than 1,000--out of an Armed Forces of 2.2 million. And, remember, most of these contributors aren't even active duty.
So yes, Andrew [Sullivan], those tasked with fighting this war do get it, which is why they aren't donating to Paul. The only real report we have on political contributions from active duty military in this election cycle has Paul taking in just over $19,000, and that's only counting donations larger than $200. So, maximum, we're talking about 90 active duty soldiers who we know have actually contributed to Ron Paul's campaign. The rest is pure speculation, and the Chron's tally of $63,440, with its average of $500 per donation, is unlikely to be populated by many of the guys who are "actually fighting this war."
Ron Paul continues...
What John is saying is just totally distorted.
(Protester shouts off-mike)
Paul: He doesn't even understand the difference between non- intervention and isolationism. I'm not an isolationism, (shakes head) em, isolationist. I want to trade with people, talk with people, travel. But I don't want to send troops overseas using force to tell them how to live. We would object to it here and they're going to object to us over there.
(Applause)
In case you did not click onto the Jump Blog link, like I encouraged you to do, I am reprinting the relevant sarcasm:
So, we shouldn’t entangle ourselves in foreign affairs…except of course to trade with them. And travel to them. And have diplomatic relations with them. Which of course would lead to things like trade treaties. Which lead to real treaties. Which lead to military obligations and charges of American Imperialism and makes a target of our trade partners. Which would put us right back where we are. If, that is, the terrorists didn’t just decide to start knocking us off back here in the good ol’ U.S. of A. Which of course they would. Good idea Ron. It’d be much better to fight ‘em right here.
Isolationism= Non-interventionism.
Governor Norquist: President Bush made a commitment when he ran for president in 2000 an 2004 that he would oppose and veto any tax increase that Congress sent him. My question to each of the candidates is: Would you promise to the people watching this right now, that you will oppose and veto any efforts to raise taxes as long as you're president?
Paul: I have never voted for a tax increase; never will. But the tax issue is only one-half of it.
You can easily pledge not to raise taxes, but you have to cut spending.
(Applause)
There's really nothing special about Ron Paul's response here. It's the right answer; basically, the same one all the Republican candidates gave (more or less).
Next YouTube question, and perfect one prescribed to the doctor:
Journey: Hi. My name is Journey. I'm from Texas. And this question is for all (inaudible) pro-life candidates.
In the event that abortion becomes illegal and a woman obtains an abortion anyway, what should she be charged with, and what should her punishment be? What about the doctor who performs the abortion?
Cooper: Congressman Paul, 90 seconds.
Paul: You know, it's not a federal function to determine the penalties for a crime of abortion if it's illegal in a state. It's up to the state, it's up to the juries. And it should be up to discretion because it's not an easy issue to deal with. But the first thing we have to do is get the federal government out of it. We don't need a federal abortion police. That's the last thing that we need.
(Applause)
But for the ...
Cooper: Should a woman be charged with a crime?
Paul: Pardon me?
Cooper: Should a woman be charged with a crime?
Paul: I don't personally think so. I'm an O.B. doctor, and I practiced medicine for 30 years, and I of course never saw one time when a medically necessary abortion had to be done.
But so I think it certainly is a crime. But I also understand the difficulties. I think when you're talking about third trimester deliberate abortion and partial birth abortions, I mean, there has to be a criminal penalty for the person that's committing that crime. But I really think it's the person who commits the crime. And I think that is the abortionist.
Cooper: So you're saying a doctor should be punished.
What sort of punishment should they get?
Paul: Well, I think it's up to the states. I'm not in the state -- I'm not running for governor. And I think it's different, and I don't think it should be all 50 states the same way. So, I don't think that should be up to the president to decide that.
Ron Paul gets a plus on this one.
Next.
Buzz Brockway: Hello. My name is Buzz Brockway from Lawrenceville, Georgia. All the talk about the war in Iraq centers around how quickly we can get out. I think that's the wrong question. We need to make a permanent or long-term military commitment to the region.
By staying in Iraq, we provide long-term stability to the region, we provide support for our allies, and we act as a deterrent to the trouble-makers in the region. Which presidential candidate will make a permanent of long-term military commitment to the people of Iraq?
Thank you.
Cooper: Congressman Paul, 30 seconds.
Paul: The best commitment we can make to the Iraqi people is to give them their country back. That's the most important thing that we can do.
(Applause)
Well, that's odd.....I could have sworn we have been doing just that, by first ridding them of a murderous dictator; then helping a budding democracy flourish while helping the Iraqi people drive out the occupiers who have been fomenting chaos and discord.
The Iraqi people have their country; we are there helping. It is in our interests to do so, and in their interest.
Already, part of their country has been taken back.
No thanks to the white flag Americans who would have had us abandon them to al-Qaeda violence and al-Qaeda victory.
In the south, they claim the surge has worked, but the surge really hasn't worked. There's less violence, but al-Sadr has essentially won in the south.
The British are leaving.
Michael Yon responding to purported violence in wake of the British pullout:
Basra is not in chaos. In fact, crime and violence are way down and there has not been a British combat death in over a month. The report below is false.
Ron Paul continues...
The brigade of Al Sadr now is in charge, so they are getting their country back. They're in charge up north -- the Shia -- the people in the north are in charge, as well, and there's no violence up there or nearly as much.
So, let the people have their country back again. Just think of the cleaning up of the mess after we left Vietnam. Vietnam now is a friend of ours -- we trade with them, the president comes here.
What we achieved in peace was unachievable in 20 years of the French and the Americans being in Vietnam.
Peace didn't occur because we pulled out of Vietnam. The South was overrun because the North broke their agreement with us, and Congress failed to back our pledge to protect our South Vietnamese allies, should this happen. Not only did more death and suffering result from our abandonment of responsibilities, but we also lost the honor that Duncan Hunter referred to in a previous GOP debate. That too, seemed to escape Ron Paul's fathoming.
What would the ripple effects of an American retreat, advocated by the Paul Pots, be to Iraq? For America? In Vietnam, our enemies stopped at their shores; with the conflict in Iraq, our enemies, who Lawrence Wright said have been bogged down in Iraq, will not stop until they reach our shores.
So it's time for us to take care of America first.
(Applause)
Does handing al-Qaeda a victory in Iraq, or even the perception of victory "take care of America first"? When Osama bin Laden was able to claim victory at the Lion's Den against Soviet forces, it was a minor inconsequential loss for the Soviets, but a major propaganda win for "jihad" recruitment.
Al-Qaeda enjoyed new life and recruitment prior to the troop surge and Sunni tribe Salvation Fronts, not because of what the U.S. has achieved in Iraq, but because of perceptions and media propaganda about our involvement in Iraq.
Cooper: Senator McCain?
McCain: Well, let me remind you, Congressman, we never lost a battle in Vietnam. It was American public opinion that forced us to lose that conflict.
(Applause)
I think it's important for all Americans to understand the fundamental difference. After we left Vietnam, they didn't want to follow us home. They wanted to build their own workers' paradise. If you read Zarqawi, if you read bin Laden, if you read Zawahiri, read what they say. They want to follow us home. They want Iraq to be a base for Al Qaeda to launch attacks against the United States. Their ultimate destination is not Iraq.
Their ultimate destination is New York City, Washington, D.C., Chicago and Phoenix, Arizona. This is a transcendent challenge of our time.
(Audience booing)
McCain: I believe that we can meet it and we will defeat it.
(Applause)
Cooper: Congressman Paul, I know -- we'll get everyone in on this. Congressman Paul, just wanted to allow you to respond.
Paul: Shortly after the Vietnam War ended, Colonel Tu and Colonel Summers met, and they were talking about this. And our -- and the American colonel said, "You know, we never lost one battle." And Colonel Tu, the Vietnamese says, "Yes, but that's irrelevant."
And it is irrelevant.
The moral lesson of that story is lost on Ron Paul. The point is, militarily, we did not suffer defeat. We suffered defeat at the hands of Walter Cronkite and the media reportage, in public opinion and waning support and understanding of the war; and we suffered defeat by the lack of will to win in Congress. In not fighting it to win, we could only insure a defeat. And this is why Colonel Tu understood that it didn't matter that the North Vietnamese sustained massive casualties and losses. Body count didn't matter to them. But it mattered to us. Military wins and losses were irrelevant, because the real battle was taking place in public opinion polls and back in Washington.
But we have to realize why they want to come here. Wolfowitz even admitted that one of the major reasons that the Al Qaida was organized and energized was because of our military base in Saudi Arabia.
He says, "Oh, now, we can take the base away." He understood why they came here. They come here because we're occupying their country, just as we would object if they occupied our country.
(Audience booing)
We took our military base away, because after OEF, there was no longer any reason to enforce the southern no-fly zone, over Iraq.
Cooper: Well, it's Congressman Tancredo. And we're running short on time. So, please, let's try to get to these.
You have 30 seconds.
Tancredo: I wish that we lived in the world that Ron is describing -- I wish that we lived in a world where we did not have to worry. By simply removing our forces, we would be safe.
Unfortunately, Ron, honest to God, I don't believe that that is the case. We are living in a world where we are threatened. It is radical Islam.
(Applause)
It is -- the ideology, the political and religious ideology of radical Islam is a threat to America, and it would be a threat to America if we never had a single person serving anywhere outside this country.
I disagree with Tancredo when he speaks of bombing Mecca and Medina. But on the point of ideology being the root cause, Tancredo has it absolutely right. Islamists who militantly follow the fundamental tenets of the Koran and Hadith reject modernity and see the very existence of non-Islamic societies as an offense to Allah.
Ron Paul likes to tell us "listen to what they say". Yet, he seems to completely ignore the rhetoric of radical Islam which includes the Shia Islamic militants of Iran who await the coming of the 12th Imam, and the Sunni al-Qaeda master plan which desires to pitch the Islamic world into a "clash of civilizations"; both theologies wish to create an Islamic super-caliphate, and cleanse the world of all things un-Islamic.
Citing "occupation of the Saudi peninsula" as the casus bellum, misses the crux of the problem: radical Islam, which does not need an excuse to commit barbarism and murder, independent of American foreign policy.
Perhaps a good stocking stuffer for Ron Paul would be Lawrence Wright's, The Looming Tower.
Cooper: We're running short on time. I want to get Ron Paul's video in. Let's watch.
(Begin videotape)
Paul: The people are sick and tired of what they're getting, and they want some real changes.
I don't want to run your life. We need less taxation, less regulations, a better economic system.
We were not meant to be an empire; we were meant to be a republic, protecting liberty here at home.
It's up to you to spread this message around this country. This is an American cause, it's a cause of freedom. There's something going on in this country, and it's big. It's really big.
(End videotape)
Cooper: That's part of the Paul campaign.
In a recent LATimes column, At Peace with Pax Americana, regarding American "empire", Jonah Goldberg cites from a book I've long had my eyes on: Colossus, by Niall Ferguson.
Critics of American foreign policy point to the fact that the U.S. does many things that empires once did -- police the seas, deploy militaries abroad, provide a lingua franca and a global currency -- and then rest their case. But noting that X does many of the same things as Y does not mean that X and Y are the same thing. The police provide protection, and so does the Mafia. Orphanages raise children, but they aren't parents. If your wife cleans your home, tell her she's the maid because maids also clean homes. See how well that logic works. When they speak of the American empire, critics fall back on cartoonish notions, invoking Hollywoodized versions of ancient Rome or mothballed Marxist caricatures of the British Raj. But unlike the Romans or even the British, our garrisons can be ejected without firing a shot. We left the Philippines when asked. We may split from South Korea in the next few years under similar circumstances. Poland wants our military bases; Germany is grumpy about losing them. When Turkey, a U.S. ally and member of NATO, refused to let American troops invade Iraq from its territory, the U.S. government said "fine." We didn't invade Iraq for oil (all we needed to do to buy it was lift the embargo), and we've made it clear that we'll leave Iraq if the Iraqis ask. The second verse of the anti-imperial lament, sung in unison by liberals and libertarians, goes like this: Expansion of the military-industrial complex leads to contraction of freedom at home. But historically, this is a hard sell. Women got the vote largely thanks to World War I. President Truman, that consummate Cold Warrior, integrated the Army, and the civil rights movement escalated its successes even as we escalated the Cold War and our presence in Vietnam. President Reagan built up the military even as he liberalized the economy. Sure Naomi Wolfe, Frank Rich and other leftists believe that the imperialistic war on terror has turned America into a police state. But if they were right, they wouldn't be allowed to say that.
Yet somehow we are told by the Paul Reverists that our civil liberties are being eroded by The Patriot Act and NSA wiretaps that are in place to protect American citizens against the next terror attack.
Two compelling new books help explain why our "empire" is different from the Soviet or Roman varieties. Walter Russell Mead's encyclopedic "God and Gold" argues that Anglo-American culture is uniquely well suited toward globalism, military success, capitalism and liberty. Amy Chua's brilliant "Day of Empire" confirms why: Successful "hyperpowers" tend to be more tolerant and inclusive than their competitors. Despite its flaws, Britain was the first truly liberal empire. America has picked up where the British left off. Whatever sway the U.S. holds over far-flung reaches of the globe is derived from the fact that we have been, and hopefully shall continue to be, the leader of the free world, offering help and guidance, peace and prosperity, where and when we can, as best we can, and asking little in return. If that makes us an empire, so be it. But I think "leader of the free world" is the only label we'll ever need or -- one hopes -- ever want.
Cooper: Let's go to the next question -- it's for Ron Paul.
Mark Strauss: Mark Strauss, Davenport, Iowa.
This question is for Ron Paul.
Mr. Paul, I think we both know that the Republican party is never going to give you the nomination. But I'm hoping that you're crazy like a fox like that and you're using this exposure to propel yourself into an independent run.
My question is for Ron Paul: Mr. Paul, are you going to let America down by not running as an independent?
Thank you.
Paul: Now that's what I call a tough question, because I have no intention of doing this.
I am a Republican. I have won 10 times as a Republican and we're doing quite well. We had 5,000 people show up at a rally in front of the Independence Hall with blacks and Hispanics and a cross-section of this country.
You know that we raised $4.3 million in one day?
(Applause)
Without spending one cent. We didn't even pay an individual to go out and they weren't professional fund-raisers. It came in here -- it was automatic.
We're struggling to figure out how to spend the money. This country is in a revolution. They're sick and tired of what they're getting. And I happen to be lucky enough to be part of it.
Cooper: I'll take that as a no.
(Applause)
From Patrick Ruffini:
In the past few months, Ron Paul has dramatically raised the profile of libertarianism inside the Republican Party.
He sure has that right. He has raised the profile and showed us how out of touch with reality they really are.
The newest backers of Ron Paul to go along with his Twoofer fans, his white supremist fans, and all the other nutjobs is brothel owners: (h/t Hot Air)
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, an underdog Texas congressman with a libertarian streak, has picked up an endorsement from a Nevada brothel owner.
Dennis Hof, owner of the Moonlite BunnyRanch near Carson City, said he was so impressed after hearing Paul at a campaign stop in Reno last week that he decided to raise money for him.
“I’ll get all the (working girls) together, and we can raise him some money,” Hof told the Reno Gazette-Journal. “I’ll put up a collection box outside the door. They can drop in $1, $5 contributions.”
Hof and two of his prostitutes, Brooke Taylor and a woman who goes by Air Force Amy, attended a Paul news conference.
Bryan points who we should thank for turning this brothel owner onto Ron, MSNBC's own Tucker Carlson:
Hof was accompanied to the Paul news conference by television news personality Tucker Carlson, who is traveling with Paul for a magazine article he is writing.
"Dennis Hof is a good friend of mine, so when we got to Nevada, I decided to call him up and see if he wanted to come check this guy out," said Carlson, who hosts the show "Tucker" on MSNBC.
How sweet of him huh?
Actually, I think Ron Paul's run for President has done more damage to libertarianism than anything else in recent history by connecting it to the appeasement of fanatical Islam rather then what their movement was supposed to be about, limited Government. The ridicule he has exposed himself to has given the MSM more then enough reason to dismiss those that support smaller government, less taxation and the rest as just a bunch of loons.
But I will thank him for the run. It's been entertaining and I've learned that I would never, ever, become a libertarian.
Interesting article by Mona Charen detailing everything wrong with Ron Paul, and there is plenty to work with
. Ron Paul is inconsistent. Though he calls himself a man of principle and is apparently admired as such by his ardent fans, his principles seem somewhat elastic. He rails against the Bush administration for its supposed assault on civil liberties, yet when he was asked at one of the debates whether Scooter Libby deserved a pardon, he said no. "He doesn't deserve one because he was instrumental in leading the Congress and the people to support a war that we didn't need to be in." Notice that he didn't say it was because Libby was guilty of committing a crime. No, because Libby argued for a policy with which Paul disagreed, he deserved to serve time in prison. Ron Paul, the libertarian, who presumably values liberty above all, is willing to deprive someone else of his because of a policy disagreement?
2. Ron Paul is historically challenged. He argues that by embracing isolationism, he fits within a Republican tradition stretching back to Eisenhower "who stopped the Korean War" and including Nixon "who stopped the war in Vietnam." Let's recap. Eisenhower threatened to use nuclear weapons against China. It was the Eisenhower administration that had a hand in toppling Iran's Mohammad Mossedegh (an intervention that Paul has elsewhere cited as causing the U.S. grief 25 years later when the Islamists took power). Eisenhower also intervened in Guatemala, Cuba (planning for the Bay of Pigs began during his tenure) and Lebanon.
Nixon, an isolationist? Most observers, whatever they may make of detente with the USSR and the opening to China, agree that Nixon was an emphatic internationalist. For the record, he intervened in many countries including Chili, Peru and Cambodia. And he saved Israel by resupplying her during the Yom Kippur war. Neither his successes nor failures grew out of a Paulesque policy of "minding our own business."
3. Ron Paul is unserious. Suggesting that you will eliminate the IRS, the CIA, the FBI and other government agencies within weeks of taking office is ridiculous. These are bumper stickers, not serious reform proposals.
Mona also goes into one very serious aspect of his candidacy. His crazy supporters. From neo-nazi's, to twoofers, to the Alex Jones cultists who believe that the Bilderbergers are taking over the world. Many of his supporters say you can't fault the candidate himself for crazy fans but as Mona states, he plays a game with it. He doesn't endorse their beliefs but he doesn't disavow himself from them either with his tales of the big bad government coming to get you, and his appearances on the Alex Jones show doesn't help.
Instead his campaign attracts these kind of messages: http://michiganmesse...
On Oct. 4 Will Williams, a former leader of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group, posted on the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network that white supremacy supporters should support Paul for president.
"Till then I recommend folks get involved in the Ron Paul 'revolution' and work with political activists in your communities who are attracted to his anti-globalist message," Williams wrote. "Be disciplined. Blend in; find common ground with them and artfully radicalize those who are receptive and avoid those who are not. ... Most of you would be surprised at how many good people can be exposed to a, let's say, 'pro-majority' message among the remarkable groundswell of fed-up, mostly white Ron Paul supporters -- many, early on, from the 9/11 truth movement. They are finding their backbones as they are exposed to more and more hidden truths, especially about the hidden hand of Jewry behind every foul venture."
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
This is too long with too much BS for a serious reply, but
December 19, 2007 - 06:25 ET by sarcasmoProve 3. Where did he say any of that COULD happen "within weeks." Link or slink. But for the record, he's said to supporters that getting rid of the IRS would probably take all 4 years of his first term. Boy, would doing that ever guarantee him a second, though..
JMR
PS Nice copy & paste job, some of which is SEVERELY out of date. Any actual original thought involved???
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Thanks...
December 19, 2007 - 07:08 ET by Sua Sponte 75Yes I gave HT where it was deserved, I've stated before (original thought) I'm not the most keen on someone who sides up with twoofers, deniers, such, black helicopters, neo nazis, shady donations, NAU obsession (hence the nut attraction to him) and equates me to killing innocent Somalis. Of course that is all discounted time and time again even when proof is given. Look, you love 'em, that's all well and good, but I find it odd then when items of this are presented there is this huge backlash and cue up of smoke and mirrors. He may not endorse their beliefs, but he sure as hell doesn't separate himself from them either. I donno, if I was getting money from some group such as these I would be thinking twice about taking it and ensuring that I fully seperated myself from their agenda. He doesn't and the many times on Alex Jones doesn't help. But of course all of that will be sidelined and passed over. He wants to give in and "listen to what they say" with the Islamofacists, yea that's not kooky, guess he's not too up on history, and this would be the leader of the free world? No thanks. He typifies the looser attitude and that America is the soul reason for the worlds problems. It's interesting that out of all of this, which you equate to bs you only pull one item out? Sorry that it's too much for you to read, I apologize for providing links, quotes and sites. Guess from here on out I'll just supply the "he's a nutjob and so are a majority of his supporters" line and leave it at that. I hope this is not too long.....and as on a sidenote, who gives a crap about him running track and field and all the other non-sensical bs, does this come with a note stating "do you like me, check yes, no or maybe"....sheesh..
Let's look at the "military contributions": As the reporter in the Houston Chronicle says, “many contributors do not disclose their occupations, making it difficult to determine the total extent of military contributions to any one candidate.” More importantly, the amount of contributions are incredibly small, hardly proving much of anything. Beth adds in the Outside the Beltway comment section: Also not understood: the fact that "military employees" includes civil service employees of the various services. That means a GS-7 who works at Whatever Air Force Base in BFE, Idaho has their employer listed as "Air Force." For all we know, not one of those people is someone in uniform. I'm sure there are some, but it certainly is not all, nor is it indicative of some big antiwar sentiment in the military. For Paultards and Sullivan to extrapolate that idea from this is laughably absurd.
Furthermore, if one compares the 3rd Quarter statistics of Paul and McCain regarding the contribution amounts of those who do not list their employer, 100 dollars worth was given to Ron Paul's coffers, compared to that of McCain's: 2,244,223.39. Out of all of that money, how much of that could have been donated by active and retired veterans? Or "Affiliates" of the military? We don't know. But it seems clear, by the paltry $100 given by the person(s) not listing employment, that the Ron Paul supporters are overwhelmingly listing their employment when making contributions.
All of this is above, but was toooo long to read and was promptly discounted as usual.
A link that's old, doesn't really change the fact though does it.
Cue smoke....cue mirrors.....
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Serious Inquery
December 19, 2007 - 08:39 ET by dvdaughtryWhat is a twoofer?
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
Explination...
December 19, 2007 - 08:57 ET by Sua Sponte 751. derogatory term for those on the outer edges of the 9/11 truth movement.
2. derogatory term for any conspiracy theorist or political extremist who regularly uses the phrase 'speaking truth to power'
example...
The twoofer said I was following the sheeple for not believing 9/11 was done with holograms, and that he was speaking truth to power.
Essentially the group of nuttiness believing that 9/11 was an inside job, it was all planned by the administration, Bilderburgs, aliens, skull and crossbones or you can just insert your own......In addition, twoofers can be spotted with and associating with Holocaust Deniers (many of whom have spoken at twoofer events) as well as white supremecists and the Tin Foil Hat Cadets...
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Glad you're admitting much of the info is out of date.
December 19, 2007 - 12:14 ET by sarcasmoBut you have yet to link or slink. Face it, he never said that, it's a hallucination, like much of the other crapola here that tries, desperately, for guilt by association. Glenn Beck questioned him extensively about Truthers, and there was NO smoke and mirrors according to Glenn. And I seriously-doubt you'd be satisfied if he gave the Nazi's or various other kooks' money back, too.
Once it becomes clear that you've mindlessly copied & pasted ancient material, don't expect any more respect than I'd get if I did the same, ok?? You're not gettin' it from me, obviously, because no, your ancient pasted crapola's not worth-my-time to read.
If you don't believe the military donors are really military donors, don't stay sheltered & sniveling around here where most folks are obviously inclinded to believe any accusation against RP. Have a tiny bit of courage, instead. Go to the Daily Paul or RonPaulForums, and directly-challenge the military guys' & gals' military credentials. Trying to do it here, indirectly and by implication, just isn't the same. Something tells me you'll be amply-refuted if you actually try this, but folks here by now are used to that...
JMR
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And?
December 20, 2007 - 04:43 ET by Sua Sponte 75this week, last week....still doesn't change the facts...
Of course I know who's voicing this so I don't take it completely at face value...then again...
Vanguard News Network, the leader of the American National Socialist Workers Party says Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists.
Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists
Comrades:
I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.
Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.
I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.
For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.
I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous — and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.
Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party
(Lone Star Times)
Charges for the Tara Thai restaurant show up on this page listing DISBURSEMENTS FOR RON PAUL 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE.http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C00432914.html
More corroboration of the neo-Nazi’s claim: Extremist Group Announces Speech by Congressman.
The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va.
http://www.splcenter...
The Ron Paul campaign not only refuses to disavow the support of racist scum like Don Black of Stormfront, they’re glad to take his money and have no plans to return it: Paul keeps white supremacist donation.
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn’t plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.
Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, “White Pride World Wide.” The site welcomes postings to the “Stormfront White Nationalist Community.”
“Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he’s wasted his money,” Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. “Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom.” ...
Black said he supports Paul’s stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants. "We know that he’s not a white nationalist. He says he isn’t and we believe him, but on the issues, there’s only one choice,“ Black said Wednesday.
”We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state,“ Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier. On his Web site, Black says he has been involved in ”the White patriot movement for 30 years.“
The story of this donation from Stormfront, by the way, was broken by the Lone Star Times.
Ron Paul’s disavowal of the Troofer “movement” was incredibly weak.
He knows he’s getting a lot of support from the Troofers, but he said the bare minimum to distance himself from them, and pretended he had no idea this was going on, and no idea these kinds of crazy theories were out there.
This is a man who has appeared four times on the Alex Jones radio show. For him to profess ignorance about 9/11 conspiracy theories is astoundingly dishonest.
I wouldn't be satisfied if he gave the money back and disavowed association with these people??? Yes, that makes sense that I'm all for him taking money from neo-nazis and such!!!???
Seeing as how I've been in the "box" for some time, I do ask fellow troops, and definitely don't get the responses you claim...
Nothing to see here.....move along....
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Question
December 20, 2007 - 19:38 ET by UnsaneSua:
Once again you have proven an amazing resource of information.
Let me ask you this, since Paul and his liege Sarcasmo constantly crow about how the military is in lockstep behind them, and how the military wants and craves a whiny, pathetic, powerless America as much as they do (allegedly)...
While I was active duty, one of my secondary duties was to assist with absentee voting, thus I am familiar with the regulations pertaining to political activities and military personnel. At least as far as the AF is concerned, AF members cannot make campaign contributions to a “partisan political candidate” (which Paul certainly is). Does the Army have a similar regulation?
Thanks again as always...I shall be getting my sand in my teeth myself soon...
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Much appreciated Unsane..
December 21, 2007 - 01:40 ET by Sua Sponte 75I'll have to admit that is something I need to check into. Although many really miss the whole point of wether this individuals are actually "in" the military as noted before. In addition I really haven't run across anyone as of yet who has even heard of him. Of course I've not done any type of scientific census, but if he has the backing as stated, you would figure different.
Best of luck, and if you require any assistance let me know.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Thanks for the new angle!
December 21, 2007 - 15:24 ET by UnsaneUntil you brought it up I would have never figured in the civil service employees in the DoD. That definitely gives me pause, something to think about.
I'm quite busy, as you might imagine, preparing for the sandbox. Believe it or not (AF for 4 years and AFR for 1), it's my first time there, so any pointers are greatly appreciated.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Unsane
December 21, 2007 - 15:31 ET by Airforce_5_OYou be careful. PM me and I will send you my DoD email and help you out as much as I can.
I wish I could go with you brother but you will be in my prayers.
Thanks for what you do.
"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a wussy."
Attributed to General Tommy Franks
Sua.... Thank you...
December 20, 2007 - 19:45 ET by bigtimerSua....
Thank you... thank you... thank you.
....'nuff said.
And Thank You BT.
December 21, 2007 - 01:47 ET by Sua Sponte 75Not saying the other canidates don't have certain issues, but to insult ones intelligence when the facts are presented is another thing.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Out of date sarc?
December 22, 2007 - 12:39 ET by Clear thinkerRevealed: How Ron Paul supporters spam polls (LGF)
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Sua....
December 19, 2007 - 11:42 ET by Clear thinkerHow about a little more info concerning RP in your next post ;-)
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Interesting...
December 19, 2007 - 10:24 ET by Sua Sponte 75Yea, I'm also going over the other "canidates" records too, very interesting to say the least....
http://www.vote-smar...
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04/26/2001 Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2001 N
04/26/2001 Motherhood Protection Act (Substitue Amendendment) N
09/30/1999 Substitute Amendment to Unborn Victims of Violence Act N
09/30/1999 Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 1999 N
06/17/1999 Juvenile Justice bill N
09/15/1998 Juvenile Crime Control and Delinquency Prevention Act N
02/25/1998 Death Sentence Amendment Y
02/24/1998 Minimum Sentences for Gun Crimes bill N
05/08/1997 Juvenile Crime bill N
Defense
12/12/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
11/14/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq N
11/08/2007 Department of Defense Appropriations, Fiscal Year 2008 N
10/02/2007 Requiring Reports from the Defense Department to Congress Regarding Withdrawal from Iraq Y
08/05/2007 Department of Defense Appropriations, Fiscal Year 2008 NV
08/02/2007 Mandatory Troop Rest Periods Between Deployments to Iraq Y
07/25/2007 Ban on Permanent Bases in Iraq Y
07/12/2007 Redeployment from Iraq Act NV
06/21/2007 Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (formally School of the Americas) Funding Amendment Y
05/24/2007 Replacing Titles I and II of House Amdt 1 to HR 2206 N
05/24/2007 Departmental Appropriations for Defense, Security, and Hurricane Recovery N
05/17/2007 Guantanamo Transfer Plan Y
05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
05/02/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
04/25/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
02/16/2007 Iraq War Policy resolution Y
12/19/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Authorization bill N
05/20/2004 Defense Department FY2005 Authorization bill N
11/07/2003 Defense Department FY2004 Authorization bill NV
07/16/2003 Project BioShield Act of 2003 N
05/22/2003 Defense Department FY2004 Authorization bill N
04/03/2003 Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act,2003 N
05/10/2002 National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2003 N
12/13/2001 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 N
05/18/2000 School of the Americas Amendment Y
06/10/1999 FY2000-2001 Defense Authorization bill N
03/18/1999 National Missile Defense bill Y
09/17/1998 US Army School of the Americas Amendment Y
05/21/1998 Defense Department FY99 Authorization bill N
02/05/1998 Line Item Veto Cancellation bill Y
11/08/1997 Line Item Veto Cancellation bill Y
10/28/1997 Defense Department FY98-99 Authorization bill N
09/04/1997 Army School of the Americas amendment Y
06/25/1997 Defense Department FY98-99 Authorization bill N
06/24/1997 Bosnia Deployment Termination Amendment Y
06/23/1997 Border Defense Personnel Amendment N
06/23/1997 B-2 Bomber Program Termination Amendment Y
06/23/1997 Bosnia Deployment Extension Substitute Amendment Y
06/19/1997 Overseas Military Facilities Abortion Amendment N
Drug Issues
07/25/2007 State and Federal Medical Marijuana Law Enforcement and Implementation Y
09/16/1998 Illegal Drug Amendment N
08/06/1998 Illegal Drug Amendment Y
04/29/1998 Needle Exchange Funding Ban Y
09/11/1997 Needle Exchange Amendment Y
Education
11/15/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/14/2007 Head Start Act of 2007 NV
11/08/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies N
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
07/19/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
07/11/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants N
07/11/2007 Extension of Funding for Transitional Medical Assistance and Abstinence Education N
01/17/2007 College Student Relief Act of 2007 Y
03/30/2006 College Access and Opportunity Act of 2005 N
03/30/2006 Reverse the Raid on Student Aid Amendment N
07/25/2003 Head Start bill N
07/09/2003 Student Loan Forgiveness for Teachers - Passage N
07/09/2003 Ready to Teach Act of 2003 N
04/30/2003 Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act N
12/13/2001 No Child Left Behind Act N
05/23/2001 No Child Left Behind Act N
06/13/2000 Higher Education Funding Amendment N
10/21/1999 Education Funding for Disadvantaged Students-Passage N
10/21/1999 Academic Achievement for All Act Y
07/20/1999 Teacher Empowerment Act N
04/21/1999 Education Flexibility Partnership Act of 1999 Y
03/11/1999 High Needs District Amendment N
03/10/1999 Student Performance Amendment N
03/10/1999 Education Flexibility Partnership Act of 1999 Y
08/06/1998 Low Income Educational Scholarship Amendment N
06/18/1998 Education Savings Accounts bill N
05/06/1998 Higher Education Programs Authorization Extension bill N
04/30/1998 Washington, D.C. School Vouchers bill NV
02/05/1998 National Student Testing bill Y
11/07/1997 Charter School Expansion Act of 1998 N
11/04/1997 HELP Scholarships bill Y
10/23/1997 Education Savings Accounts bill N
05/16/1997 Training Programs bill N
Employment and Affirmative Action
11/07/2007 Sexual Orientation Employment Nondiscrimination Act (ENDA) NV
01/08/2003 Unemployment Benefits bill N
Energy Issues
12/06/2007 Energy Act of 2007 NV
08/04/2007 Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2007 NV
08/04/2007 Renewable Energy Standards NV
08/04/2007 Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2007 NV
07/17/2007 Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act N
05/22/2007 A bill to prevent the Organization of Petroleum Export Groups (NOPEC Act of 2007) N
01/18/2007 Clean Energy Act of 2007 N
05/18/2006 Outer Continental Shelf for Gas and Oil Amendment Y
05/18/2006 Outer Continental Shelf Amendment N
10/07/2005 Gasoline for America's Security Act of 2005 NV
07/28/2005 Energy Policy Act of 2005 N
04/21/2005 Energy Policy Act of 2005 N
04/20/2005 Arctic National Wildlife Refuge Drilling Amendment N
04/20/2005 Liability Shield Language Amendment N
06/15/2004 Energy Omnibus bill N
11/18/2003 Energy Omnibus bill N
04/11/2003 Energy Omnibus bill NV
08/02/2001 Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001 N
Environmental Issues
12/06/2007 Energy Act of 2007 NV
11/06/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 N
11/01/2007 Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act NV
08/04/2007 Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2007 NV
08/04/2007 Renewable Energy Standards NV
08/04/2007 Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2007 NV
07/27/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) N
07/17/2007 Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act N
09/25/2006 New Hampshire Wilderness Act N
06/29/2006 Deep Ocean Energy Resources Act of 2006 Y
11/21/2003 Healthy Forests Restoration Act of 2003 N
11/20/2003 Flood Insurance Reform Act of 2003 N
09/23/2003 Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Land Exchange Act '02 Y
05/20/2003 Healthy Forests Restoration Act of 2003 N
08/01/2001 Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001 N
08/01/2001 Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001 N
06/21/2000 EPA Amendment N
06/07/2000 San Rafael Swell Area Amendment Y
06/07/2000 San Rafael Legacy District Motor Vehicle Amendment Y
05/11/2000 Conservation and Reinvestment Act of 1999 N
05/10/2000 Land Conservation-Land Acquisition Funding Y
05/10/2000 Social Security and Medicare solvency amendment Y
05/10/2000 Local government participation amendment Y
03/22/2000 Nuclear Waste Policy Amendments Act N
06/08/1999 Lethal Predator Funding Amendment Y
03/27/1998 Road Construction Amendment N
03/27/1998 Forest Recovery and Protection bill N
10/30/1997 Nuclear Waste Disposal bill N
05/07/1997 Endangered Species Act Exemption Amendment N
Executive Branch
10/16/2007 Sense of the House on Classification of Information on Corruption in Iraq Y
05/22/2007 United States Attorneys Act of 2007 Y
12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article One Y
12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article Two Y
12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article Three Y
12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article Four Y
01/21/1997 In the matter of Representative Newt Gingrich Y
Family and Children Issues
11/15/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/14/2007 Head Start Act of 2007 NV
11/08/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies N
10/25/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) N
10/18/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization N
09/25/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization N
08/01/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization N
07/19/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
09/26/2006 Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act N
04/10/2003 Enhance AMBER Alert bill N
08/06/1998 Adoption Amendment Y
09/09/1997 Family Planning Parental Notification Amendment N
Federal, State, and Local Relations
10/24/2007 Native Hawaiian Reorganization Act of 2007 N
07/25/2007 State and Federal Medical Marijuana Law Enforcement and Implementation Y
Foreign Aid and Policy Issues
12/12/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
11/14/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq N
11/08/2007 Department of Defense Appropriations, Fiscal Year 2008 N
11/08/2007 United States-Peru Trade Agreement N
10/02/2007 Requiring Reports from the Defense Department to Congress Regarding Withdrawal from Iraq Y
09/25/2007 Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007 N
07/25/2007 Ban on Permanent Bases in Iraq Y
07/12/2007 Redeployment from Iraq Act NV
07/11/2007 Foreign Investment Oversight Y
06/27/2007 Andean Trade Preference Act Extension Y
06/21/2007 Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (formally School of the Americas) Funding Amendment Y
05/24/2007 Replacing Titles I and II of House Amdt 1 to HR 2206 N
05/24/2007 Departmental Appropriations for Defense, Security, and Hurricane Recovery N
05/22/2007 A bill to prevent the Organization of Petroleum Export Groups (NOPEC Act of 2007) N
05/17/2007 Guantanamo Transfer Plan Y
05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
07/26/2006 U.S.and India Nuclear Cooperation Act of 2006 N
06/16/2006 Global War on Terror N
07/20/2005 State Department FY 2006/2007 Authorization Bill N
07/14/2005 East Asia Security Act of 2005 N
06/17/2005 United Nations Reform Act of 2005 N
06/15/2005 Bans Use of Funds to Enforce Cuba Regulations Amendment Y
03/17/2004 War in Iraq Anniversary resolution N
10/16/2003 Iraq's Reconstruction Resolution N
07/26/2001 ILSA Extension Act of 2001 N
07/13/2000 Debt Relief Funding amendment N
07/13/2000 HIV/AIDS Funding amendment Y
05/17/2000 Continued Deployment of Forces in Kosovo Amendment Y
02/01/2000 Taiwan Security Enhancement Act N
04/28/1999 Military Operations in Yugoslavia Limitation Act Y
04/28/1999 Withdrawal of U.S. Troops from the Balkans resolution Y
04/28/1999 Kosovo Resolution N
03/11/1999 Kosovo Peacekeeping Operations resolution N
10/05/1998 Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998 N
06/04/1998 Tiananmen Square Resolution Y
05/14/1998 Religious Persecution Freedom bill N
03/18/1998 Bosnia and Herzegovina U.S. Troop Removal bill Y
03/17/1998 Human Rights in China Y
11/13/1997 Iraq War Crimes Tribunal - Passage N
11/07/1997 PLA Monitoring bill N
11/06/1997 U.S.-Taiwan Missile Defense Cooperation bill N
11/05/1997 China Political Freedom bill N
07/22/1997 Resolution Regarding the Republic of Congo N
06/04/1997 U.S. Withdrawal from the U.N. Amendment Y
Government Reform
02/25/2004 GAO Human Capital Reform Act of 2004 N
07/26/2002 Homeland Security Act of 2002 N
10/05/1998 Indian Federal Recognition Administrative Procedures N
Gun Issues
06/28/2006 Trigger Lock Amendment Y
01/16/2006 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Y
10/20/2005 Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill N
04/09/2003 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act N
06/18/1999 72 Hour Background Check Amendment N
06/18/1999 24 Hour Background Check Amendment Y
06/18/1999 Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act N
Health Issues
11/15/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/08/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies N
10/31/2007 Trade and Globalization Act of 2007 NV
10/25/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) N
10/18/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization N
09/25/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization N
08/02/2007 Prescription Drug Imports N
08/01/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization N
07/27/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) N
07/25/2007 State and Federal Medical Marijuana Law Enforcement and Implementation Y
07/19/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
07/11/2007 Extension of Funding for Transitional Medical Assistance and Abstinence Education N
01/12/2007 Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act Y
07/28/2005 Malpractice Liability Reform Bill NV
07/19/2005 Obstetric Fistula Amendment N
07/12/2005 Independent Review of OSHA Act of 2005 N
05/12/2004 Medical Malpractice Liability Limitation bill N
05/12/2004 Small Business Health Fairness Act of 2004 Y
03/24/2004 Child Nutrition Improvement and Integrity Act N
07/25/2003 Imports of Prescription Drugs bill Y
07/16/2003 Vaccine Compensation bill N
06/27/2003 Medicare Prescription Drug bill N
05/01/2003 AIDS Assistance bill N
03/31/2003 Vaccine Compensation bill N
06/28/2002 Medicare Modernization and Prescription Drug Act NV
08/02/2001 Amendment to the Bipartisan Patient Protection Act NV
08/02/2001 Bipartisan Patient Protection Act NV
06/28/2000 Medicare Rx bill N
10/27/1999 Pain Relief Promotion Act of 1999 N
10/07/1999 Patient Protection Substitute Amendment N
10/07/1999 Patient Protection bill N
10/06/1999 Patients' Bill of Rights bill Y
07/24/1998 Patients' Bill of Rights Act Amendment N
07/24/1998 Patient Protection bill N
07/16/1998 Federal Health Plan Contraceptive Coverage Amendment N
04/10/1997 Assisted Suicide Bill Y
Housing and Property Issues
11/15/2007 Mortgage Reform and Anti-Subprime Lending Act NV
11/14/2007 Appropriations for the Department of Transportation and the Department of Housing and Urban Development NV
11/08/2007 Homeowners’ Catastrophic Insurance Act of 2007 N
10/10/2007 National Affordable Housing Trust Fund Act of 2007 N
10/04/2007 Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007 N
09/18/2007 Expanding American Homeownership Act of 2007 N
07/12/2007 Section 8 Voucher Adjustments Act of 2007 NV
09/29/2006 Private Property Rights Implementation Act of 2006 Y
06/30/2005 Eminent Domain Amdendment Y
05/14/1997 Public Housing bill N
Immigration
06/15/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations NV
09/21/2006 Immigration Law Enforcement Act of 2006 Y
09/14/2006 Secure Fence Act of 2006 Y
12/16/2005 Border Security bill Y
02/10/2005 Real ID Act of 2005 N
05/18/2004 Undocumented Immigrant Emergency Medical Assistance Y
09/24/1998 Nonimmigrant Specialty Workers bill Y
09/29/1997 Continuing Appropriations N
Indigenous Peoples
10/24/2007 Native Hawaiian Reorganization Act of 2007 N
Labor
11/15/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/08/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies N
11/07/2007 Sexual Orientation Employment Nondiscrimination Act (ENDA) NV
10/31/2007 Trade and Globalization Act of 2007 NV
07/19/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
07/17/2007 Collective Bargaining for Public Safety Officers N
05/24/2007 Departmental Appropriations for Defense, Security, and Hurricane Recovery N
05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
05/02/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
04/25/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
03/01/2007 Union Organization Bill N
01/10/2007 Minimum Wage Increase N
07/28/2006 Pension Reform Bill N
03/07/2001 Ergonomics Regulations Resolution Y
06/08/2000 OSHA Ergonomic Protection Amendment N
03/09/2000 Minimum Wage Increase-Two Year Raise N
03/09/2000 Minimum Wage Increase bill N
03/26/1998 Small Business and Employee Fairness bill Y
03/19/1997 Comp Time bill Y
Legal Issues
12/13/2007 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
11/15/2007 Electronic Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Review Act NV
10/16/2007 Reporter's Source Confidentiality Guidelines Y
10/04/2007 Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA) Expansion and Enforcement Act of 2007 Y
05/22/2007 A bill to prevent the Organization of Petroleum Export Groups (NOPEC Act of 2007) N
05/22/2007 United States Attorneys Act of 2007 Y
05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV
09/26/2006 Private Property Rights Implementation Act of 2005 Y
07/19/2006 Pledge Protection Act of 2006 Y
10/27/2005 Lawsuit Abuse Reduction Act of 2005 Y
10/19/2005 Cheeseburger bill N
03/21/2005 Terri Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Protection Bill NV
09/23/2004 Pledge of Allegiance Protection bill Y
03/10/2004 Obesity Lawsuits bill N
02/26/2004 Unborn Victims of Violence Act 2004 N
03/13/2003 Malpractice Liability bill N
10/13/1998 Securities Litigation bill N
03/04/1998 Puerto Rico Political Status bill N
10/22/1997 Private Property Rights bill Y
Military Issues
11/14/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq N
10/02/2007 Requiring Reports from the Defense Department to Congress Regarding Withdrawal from Iraq Y
08/02/2007 Mandatory Troop Rest Periods Between Deployments to Iraq Y
07/12/2007 Redeployment from Iraq Act NV
05/24/2007 Replacing Titles I and II of House Amdt 1 to HR 2206 N
05/24/2007 Departmental Appropriations for Defense, Security, and Hurricane Recovery N
05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
05/02/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
04/25/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
09/29/2006 Military Commissions Act of 2006 N
09/27/2006 Military Commissions Act of 2006 N
05/06/2004 Condemning Iraq Abuse of Prisoners resolution N
10/10/2002 Use of Military Force Against Iraq N
National Security Issues
12/13/2007 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
12/12/2007 Terrorism Risk Insurance Extension and Changes NV
11/15/2007 Electronic Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Review Act NV
11/14/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq N
11/08/2007 Homeowners’ Catastrophic Insurance Act of 2007 N
10/16/2007 Reporter's Source Confidentiality Guidelines Y
10/16/2007 Sense of the House on Classification of Information on Corruption in Iraq Y
10/04/2007 Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA) Expansion and Enforcement Act of 2007 Y
09/19/2007 Terrorism Risk Insurance Revision and Extension Act (TRIA) N
08/04/2007 Foreign Intelligence Acquisition NV
07/27/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act N
07/26/2007 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008 N
07/11/2007 Foreign Investment Oversight Y
06/21/2007 Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (formally School of the Americas) Funding Amendment Y
06/15/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations NV
05/17/2007 Guantanamo Transfer Plan Y
01/09/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendation Act N
09/28/2006 Electronic Surveillance Modernization Act N
06/29/2006 Intelligence and Law Enforcement Resolution N
03/07/2006 PATRIOT Act Reauthorization bill N
12/14/2005 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Ac N
07/21/2005 USA PATRIOT & Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act N
06/15/2005 Patriot Act Amendment - Library Records Y
05/18/2005 Homeland Security Department Authorization Act FY06 N
10/08/2004 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act NV
10/24/2001 USA Patriot Act of 2001 N
10/12/2001 Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 N
09/14/2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force Y
Regulatory Issues
09/13/2006 Restricting Indian Gaming to Homelands of Tribes Act N
03/03/2004 US Patent and Trademark Fee Modernization Act, 2004 N
Reproductive Issues
06/06/2007 Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2007 N
Science and Medical Research
09/07/2007 Patent Reform Act of 2007 NV
06/06/2007 Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2007 N
03/14/2007 Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2007 Y
01/11/2007 Stem Cell Research Act of 2007 N
07/27/2006 Better Health Information Systems Act of 2006 N
07/19/2006 Stem Cell Research Bill N
07/18/2006 Alternative Stem Cell Therapies Act N
07/22/2005 Advanced Research Opportunities Amendment N
05/24/2005 Stem Cell Research Bill of 2005 N
03/03/2003 Prohibition on Human Cloning - Passage N
02/27/2003 Cloning of Humans bill N
Senior and Social Security Issues
04/02/2003 Social Security Protection Act of 2003 N
07/27/2000 Social Security Benefits Tax Relief - Substitute Amdt. N
07/27/2000 Social Security Benefits Tax Relief bill Y
03/01/2000 Social Security Earnings Cap Y
05/26/1999 Social Security Lock Box bill Y
09/25/1998 Save Social Security Act Amendment N
09/25/1998 Social Security Account Protection bill Y
Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
12/12/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
11/07/2007 Sexual Orientation Employment Nondiscrimination Act (ENDA) NV
05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV
Social Issues
12/11/2007 Recognizing the Importance of Christmas and the Christian Faith NV
05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV
07/18/2006 Same Sex Marriage Resolution N
09/23/2003 Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Land Exchange Act Y
07/31/2001 Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001 Substitute Amend. N
07/31/2001 Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001 N
07/19/2001 Community Solutions Act of 2001 N
07/19/2001 Community Solutions Act of 2001 N
09/09/1999 Puerto Rican Nationals resolution Y
07/15/1999 Religious Liberty Protection Act of 1999 N
06/29/1999 National Day of Prayer Resolution N
06/17/1999 Ten Commandments Amendment Y
03/05/1997 Display of the Ten Commandments Y
Stem Cell Research
06/07/2007 Stem Cell Research Act of 2007 N
Technology and Communication
11/15/2007 Electronic Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Review Act NV
09/07/2007 Patent Reform Act of 2007 NV
07/11/2006 Online Gambling Ban Amendment N
06/11/2006 Internet Gambling Bill N
06/08/2006 COPE Bill of 2006 N
11/02/2005 Online Freedom of Speech Act Y
03/11/2004 FCC Indecency Penalties bill N
11/22/2003 Reduction of SPAM bill N
09/25/2003 Do-Not-Call-Registry bill N
06/10/2003 Unlawful Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Act N
09/08/1999 International Space Station Funding Amendment Y
05/19/1999 NASA Authorization bill N
Trade Issues
11/08/2007 United States-Peru Trade Agreement N
08/02/2007 Prescription Drug Imports N
07/11/2007 Foreign Investment Oversight Y
06/27/2007 Andean Trade Preference Act Extension Y
07/20/2006 U.S.-Oman Free Trade Agreement N
07/28/2005 CAFTA Implementation Bill N
06/09/2005 Withdrawing Approval from the WTO Agreement Y
06/27/2003 U.S.-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act N
06/27/2003 U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act N
07/27/2002 Trade Act of 2002 N
12/06/2001 Fast Track Trade Authority bill N
07/19/2001 China Trade Relations bill N
07/20/2000 Cuban Economic Embargo Amendment Y
07/20/2000 Cuban Travel Embargo Amendment Y
06/21/2000 WTO Withdrawal resolution Y
05/24/2000 U.S.-China Relations Act of 2000 N
05/04/2000 Africa Free Trade bill N
08/03/1999 Economic Assistance to Vietnam Y
07/27/1999 China Trade resolution N
03/17/1999 Steel Import Limitation bill N
09/25/1998 Reciprocal Trade Agreement Bill N
07/30/1998 Vietnam Trade Waiver Disapproval resolution Y
07/22/1998 Disapproval of 'Normal Trade Relations' Status w/ China N
03/11/1998 African Growth bill N
11/04/1997 United States-Caribbean Trade Partnership Act N
06/24/1997 China Most-Favored-Nation resolution N
Transportation Issues
11/14/2007 Appropriations for the Department of Transportation and the Department of Housing and Urban Development NV
07/27/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act N
07/24/2007 Funding Reduction for the National Railroad Passenger Corporation Account, Amtrak and Other Services Y
07/29/2005 Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users NV
03/10/2005 Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users N
04/28/2004 Highway Trust Fund Programs Extension bill Y
04/02/2004 Highway Trust Fund bill N
10/30/2003 Aviation Administration FY2004-2006 Authorization bill N
07/10/2002 Arming Pilots Against Terrorism Act Y
11/16/2001 Federalize Aviation Security bill N
09/21/2001 Airline Industry Financial Assistance bill N
06/15/1999 FAA Reauthorization bill N
05/22/1998 Transportation Reauthorization bill N
04/01/1998 Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Program Amendment Y
04/01/1998 Transportation Reauthorization bill N
Veterans Issues
11/21/2003 Department of Veterans Affairs Improvement Act of 2003 Y
10/08/2003 Veterans Benefits Act of 2003 Y
09/21/1999 Veterans' Millennium Health Care Act NV
Welfare and Poverty
11/15/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/14/2007 Appropriations for the Department of Transportation and the Department of Housing and Urban Development NV
11/14/2007 Head Start Act of 2007 NV
11/08/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies N
10/25/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) N
10/18/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization N
10/10/2007 National Affordable Housing Trust Fund Act of 2007 N
10/04/2007 Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007 N
09/25/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization N
08/01/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization N
07/19/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
07/12/2007 Section 8 Voucher Adjustments Act of 2007 NV
07/11/2007 Extension of Funding for Transitional Medical Assistance and Abstinence Education N
06/11/2003 Welfare Reform bill N
02/13/2003 Welfare Reform bill N
05/16/2002 Personal Responsibility, Work and Family Protection Act N
Women's Issues
05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Smoke and Mirror this....
December 21, 2007 - 02:17 ET by Sua Sponte 75HT LGF
An LGF reader emailed this photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on September 17, 2007. Immediately to Paul’s left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi hate site Stormfront. If anyone knows who the creepy guy in the hat is, please post a comment.
Update: it’s Derek Black, Don’s son.
And if you’re wondering where these photos came from, here’s the source: Stormfront. (Google redirect page.) They were apparently taken by Stormfront member Jamie Kelso, with a Canon PowerShot SD1000 camera.
At the Ron Paul Forum, they’ve seen through the trickery of the Zio-Nazi Conspiracy: Busted! So-called White Supremicist Group Exposed As Israeli Propaganda Operation! - Ron Paul Forums.
Whoa. These people are out there.
I saved a copy of the page, in case they hide it like they’ve been doing with their other neo-Nazi related pages.
UPDATE at 12/20/07 9:23:19 pm:
Or maybe the pictures are photoshopped!
Or maybe LGF is in cahoots with Stormfront!
UPDATE at 12/20/07 10:09:24 pm:
Sure enough, the Ron Paul Forum has now hidden the first link above.
Kevin McCullough has posted at Townhall.com about the Ron Paul neo-Nazi story, and he is being viciously attacked in the comments for his post: Ron Paul: Likes to Lunch with Nazis? (SOURCE: WHITE SUPREMACISTS)
UPDATE at 12/20/07 1:45:02 pm:
The attackers are coming from here: WTF!! Article below on further involvment with you guessed it! - Ron Paul Forums
UPDATE at 12/20/07 2:15:06 pm:
Michael Medved is discussing Ron Paul’s neo-Nazi connections on his radio show right now.
UPDATE at 12/20/07 2:31:53 pm:
A plaintive question at the Ron Paul Forums: Do I really want to tell someoen to ‘Google Ron Paul’ anymore? - Ron Paul Forums
As we noted last night, the Ron Paul Forum went into serious damage control mode after our post about the Crazy Uncle’s possible neo-Nazi connections. They put up a post with the title, “Neo-Nazis Say: Ron Paul is One of Us [PROBLEM!?]”—and then almost immediately hid this post behind their registration wall.
Go ahead and click the link; you’ll see what I mean. In a quick run through their forum, I couldn’t find any other posts that are hidden in this way. So why would they suddenly be so bashful?
Maybe because of comments like this one, from a “senior member” in their blocked thread:
#8 Today, 08:51 AM
rockwell
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 657
Do you understand what divide and conquer is? Paul unites people of ALL kinds and frankly you either allow for people to have diverse opinions from yourself- as the Constitution guarantees- or you do not, their isn’t a lot of wiggle room. You think you can negotiate your way into the goodwill of the MSM? Are you high? They will try to lop off every chunk of support they can find, one at a time, 911 Truthers will be “crazy tin foil hat wearing conspiracists”, any White people who have any sense of self identity will be labeled and smeared as “supremacists”, any people who want secure borders will be called “racists”, Pro-Lifers will be against a woman’s right to her own body, etc, etc.
It will not stop here folks.
This is a line in the sand.
Ron Paul failed to defuse criticism when he faced Glenn Beck by waffling on 9/11. There has never BEEN an investigation, no trials, no nothing and Americans have a right to know what happened and it isn’t crazy to ask, IT’S THE LAW. Now Glenn Beck is literally salivating at getting the opportunity to smear him some more- he said it on his radio show yesterday, he’s going after Ron Paul on his Israel position and you can take it to the bank that he will be labeled as an antisemite for denying the unilateral and unmitigated support and alliance with Israel, just wait. AIPAC and the ADL both said yesterday that they were formulating their position on how to respond to the Paul campaign on this issue, so if you think giving a donation back is the end of it, you are either deluded or part of the problem.
We hang together, or we hang seperately.
Judging from our referrers page, late on a Wednesday evening, our post about Ron Paul’s possible neo-Nazi connections has turned over more than a few rocks, and the creatures living underneath are not happy. Here’s an overnight open thread, since the previous one is approaching 1,000 comments already.
UPDATE at 12/19/07 10:37:23 pm:
We’re getting a large number of referrals from this post at the Ron Paul Forum: Neo-Nazis Say: Ron Paul is One of Us [PROBLEM!?]—but they have blocked unregistered users from reading what they’re saying.
Here’s one post we managed to read before they closed it up:
That site is a neocons mouth piece. We should go on the offensive against those who would try to smear Ron Paul with misleading distortions.
If they want to play dirty, we should ask neocon supporters of bloodshed of Iraq war to declare that they do not support killing of Iraqi civilians and declare that they are not racists and explain why they support war against a country that did not attack us.
If they want controversy, we should give it to them.
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
So much to like about Ron Paul except for...
December 21, 2007 - 11:49 ET by ReaganJrI agree that the movement is bigger than Ron Paul. Some of us like just about everything he stands for except....
In hind sight it is easy to say no to the Iraq war. I know because I supported the war before I didn't support the war (to steal a John Kerry flip-flop). But what I mean is that I think that the war should have only been with Al Qaeda and not Iraq. But, and this is a huge butt, we have started something that we must not run away from. If we pulled our troops out of Iraq immediatly the war will be fought here and with US civilian lives. The only option we have to bring our troops home is to win this war, which under General Petreaus, we have just about done.
Also we have never really had a "war on drugs". To say that we are tired of a war on drugs to me just means we are tired of not winning the war on drugs. You want to fight drugs, revoke the citizenship of any convicted drug dealer and treat them as foreign combatants. No mercy on those who are killing our children. Military strikes on known drug cartels, regardless of what country they are in. Sieze all bank accounts of known drug dealers and drug cartels. In essence treat them like the terrorists they are.
Legalizing drugs is just caving in because we have lacked the will to fight it. Perhaps too many in positions of power have are also addicts, I don't know. Narcotics destroys lives, legalizing them means we approve of personal destruction.
The rest of Ron Paul's stances (at least the ones that I have heard) I agree with 100%. We need to, essentially, hit the reset button on our government and go back to what our founders set up. We are about 90% socialist right now and that is unacceptable. Socialism is despicable. Every time congress is in session more of our freedoms and our sovereignty is lost.
We must bring back our manufacturing base. We must end the trade imbalance with China and other countries. We must restore the dollar's value and end our deficit and our deficit spending. Our country is just a few years away from collapsing if we don't fix this mess.
I love this country, I love the constitution. I think our founders were inspired by God when they drafted the constitution. Let's not let it end just because of this idiotic globalism that has crept into our country.
I am a Romney supporter and I believe that he, like Ron Paul, also understands much of what has happened to our country. If Romney does not get the GOP nominiation and Paul goes independant, then I will vote for Paul.
Defeatism
December 21, 2007 - 15:13 ET by UnsaneEvery time congress is in session more of our freedoms and our sovereignty is lost. Our sovereignty? Some concrete examples would be nice. Some of our IGO participation has actually enhanced our sovereignty.
We must bring back our manufacturing base. When did we lose our manufacturing base? Last time I checked (protectionists would rather undergo multiple root canals than admit this simple fact), nations are outsourcing TO us, just as we outsource some of our jobs. Besides, would that necessarily be a bad thing? Nations that try to coddle and protect their manufacturing base wind up losing those jobs anyways. Ask the British. Nations that invest every once of energy into trying to force one to life miss opportunities to invest their time, money and effort elsewhere where they can be otherwise successful. Ask the Malaysians.
Besides, all U.S. manufacturers need to do to get me to buy what they make is very very simple. STOP MANUFACTURING CRAP. The truck I drive around in was built in Warren, MI, and is a quality, well-manufactured product. They can build another truck for me and I’ll be happy to buy it. But if their quality heads south, I reserve the right to buy elsewhere, and that includes imports. Oh, and by the way, maybe if the unions figured out that they cannot artificially set the cost for labor anymore, maybe we’d get somewhere.
We must end the trade imbalance with China and other countries. Why? If they make a better product at a lower price, why can’t I have it? Why should I be forced to buy crappy, overpriced U.S. products? I will HAPPILY buy U.S. products, if they are quality, affordable products. Til then...
We must restore the dollar's value and end our deficit and our deficit spending. Yet another currency fetishist. I love seeing how in one breath how we have to end our trade imbalance - as if that is necessarily a bad thing - and how we have to restore the value of the dollar. You want to have your cake and eat it too, apparently. If the dollar’s value rises, guess what happens to the goods we export? They get more expensive and less attractive therefore to purchase! Note that the trade imbalance you life in such total fear of has slipped because the dollar has slipped in value. I would be willing to bet that is because our exports are cost-competitive now, or at least more so, than before.
Nonetheless, for those who want a stronger dollar, this is what we need to do:
1) Save 20% of every single paycheck we get, preferably in a savings account.
2) Yes, eliminating the deficit, and the national debt, would be nice. But, since I don’t trust Congress to do that, we need to tie their hands. May I suggest a balanced-budget amendment with a provision for completely paying down the national debt in 30-40 years?
3) The phasing in of privatized Social Security.
4) Radical income tax simplification. I’d like to see the 16th Amendment amended to set the income tax rate at 15-17% for all Americans with absolutely no loopholes or deductions. Why would I put that in the Constitution? To tie Congress’s hands, of course, since I don’t trust them.
Next.
Our country is just a few years away from collapsing if we don't fix this mess. For someone who tagged himself “Reagan, Jr.”, you sure have very little faith in the country. By now, the world was to be run by the Japanese and we would have to learn to live with a surging, assertive Soviet Union. That is, if you bought into the rhetoric of the 1980s. Of course, the Japanese have only recently emerged from economic torpor and the Soviet Union is no longer with us. Hence my taste for the gloom and doom to which you subscribe has subsided greatly with age.
Let's not let it end just because of this idiotic globalism that has crept into our country. Because, as we ALL know, the most successful societies on earth were the ones that hermetically sealed themselves off from the rest of the world, and would not tolerate any evil foreign bacillus to enter their realms, right??? Well, as much as this will hurt you, you need to know and understand this. The United States has, is now, and always will, make its money off of TRADE. TRADE, TRADE, TRADE. Economic isolationism such as what you crave will only impoverish the United States.
If Romney does not get the GOP nominiation and Paul goes independant, then I will vote for Paul. And thus vote to have a whiny, pathetic, powerless, helpless, economically backward and isolated nation that will be the laughing stock of the world. Hardly Reaganesque.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I'm not an economist...
December 21, 2007 - 22:00 ET by JohnMBUT - I have been in manufacturing for a good part of my career.
From personal experience, I share the perception that there are fewer jobs now than in years gone by; anywhere I've looked, my choices are fewer and more limited now.
As for "bringing back our manufacturing base", I think that's critical because it's not just about jobs, it's about increasing the wealth of our nation. I believe that the wealth of our (or any) national is created only through manufacturing (and maybe mining). It isn't created when you pay someone to clean your car or serve your food - all you're doing there is trading dollars back and forth.
The way I see it, you must add value to something in order to create wealth. Start with materials and combine them into a product through the application of labor, and you've created something that wasn't there before. If it has value over a meaningful period of time, it's an asset. Turning metals into a plow generates wealth for the nation.
Non-manufacturing jobs don't add wealth to the nation. Providing Customer Support, whether from Akron Ohio or from Calcutta India, adds nothing of lasting value to the nation's wealth. Yes, it generates a flow of money, but that's not an increase in the nation's basic wealth. Turning trees into paper doesn't generate wealth - it also generates a flow of money, but it isn't something the nation can "bank upon".
(That's also why I'm not sure about mining, because that activity does give you access to materials that enable production...)
I think it IS important to increase manufacturing because that builds our economic strength. Otherwise, even though we may be spending a lot of money, we're actually getting poorer as a nation. And the poorer we become, the less clout we have.
I also agree with the need to have a balance of trade. Without it, we become a nation of borrowers; we produce no asset value.
The economy isn't an eternal magical fountain. You keep buying foreign products, made with cheaper labor, and you're sending money overseas and taking it out of our economy. Someone loses a job, and the things they would buy from their neighbor aren't purchased. That neighbor gets laid off, and so on, until there's no local economy and the state is asked to sustain the jobless with increasing taxes on those who are still working.
Think poker - those who have the biggest stack of money can push around those who are short-stacked. In global economies, the poor countries cannot stand up against those with vast economic resources.
So it isn't about how you can save 20% of your paycheck in a bank account. It's about how we as a nation control what we give away - be it a gift of Foreign Aid, or giving our dollars to others who worked for pennies.
As I said, I'm not an economist, and I know I may not have expressed my thoughts very well, but I have tried to explain what has been a gut-level experience over many years.
I am continually amazed how the criticality and significance of manufacturing is so easily glossed over and not understood.
By the way, this is not an endorsement for any candidate - I haven't chosen yet...
From personal
December 21, 2007 - 23:03 ET by UnsaneFrom personal experience, I share the perception that there are fewer jobs now than in years gone by; anywhere I've looked, my choices are fewer and more limited now. It depends on where you go. In San Antonio, for instance, the choices have expanded. If you wanted to go into manufacturing twenty years ago, around here it was dominated by aviation and the depot at Kelly AFB. That shut down in 2001; but since then not only have other aviation firms come in to take advantage of the experience the locals have, but Toyota has come in and now the Tundra is made right here in town.
The stories are similar elsewhere. The BMWs you see on the road here were probably more likely built in SC then in Bavaria. Hondas, Nissans, and Hyundais are built elsewhere in the South, and if I am not mistaken even Airbus builds its planes in the United States now! As for "bringing back our manufacturing base", I think that's critical because it's not just about jobs, it's about increasing the wealth of our nation. I believe that the wealth of our (or any) national is created only through manufacturing (and maybe mining). It isn't created when you pay someone to clean your car or serve your food - all you're doing there is trading dollars back and forth. One, show me where we have lost our manufacturing base. Once again, lost on you and others is the simple, immutable FACT that other nations are outsourcing to US. And if you believe that wealth is ONLY created through manufacturing, the United States should have entered Third World penury long ago. The United States is in fact mostly a service economy; not only is wealth created once you hire someone to wash a car or serve you food (are they working for free?), but also in other service sectors, from plumbing on up to neurosurgery. (And medicine is a BIG one. Since most First World countries have gotten out of the business of conducting research and pushing the frontiers of medical science, only one major First World nation is left, and that is us. The world comes HERE for its medical research and advancement, and guess what that means? Why, they all drop MONEY here! So much for services not creating wealth...)
The way I see it, you must add value to something in order to create wealth. Start with materials and combine them into a product through the application of labor, and you've created something that wasn't there before. If it has value over a meaningful period of time, it's an asset. Turning metals into a plow generates wealth for the nation. And what about the architect who, say, designs the building? He isn’t designing it for free. He is performing a SERVICE, and getting paid for it. As long as others do not work for free, they are ALL creating wealth.
Non-manufacturing jobs don't add wealth to the nation. Providing Customer Support, whether from Akron Ohio or from Calcutta India, adds nothing of lasting value to the nation's wealth. Yes, it generates a flow of money, but that's not an increase in the nation's basic wealth. Turning trees into paper doesn't generate wealth - it also generates a flow of money, but it isn't something the nation can "bank upon". Really? Then why is India and Indians snapping up these jobs left and right? Because they can make money off of them, and if those individuals save their money, they can aspire to bigger and better things, and become middle-class consumers who buy more goods and increase demand for goods and services both in India and abroad. Hate to say it, but yes, it is an increase in a nation’s basic wealth, as those folks are making more money than they otherwise would as subsistence farmers.
(That's also why I'm not sure about mining, because that activity does give you access to materials that enable production...) You desperately need Macroeconomics 2301. Mining provides something that can be exported elsewhere if we don’t need all of it. Take a look at AK. When I was living there, the port of Seward was preparing to ship out AK coal to South Korea. The Koreans were paying good won to get their hands on that coal, which is also cost-effective for them because AK is closer to them than, say, other major coal-mining states. Oh, and those who handle those shipments (that otherwise wouldn’t be happening) are once again not working gratis. (It should also be noted that the United States is the Saudi Arabia of coal. The United States can, and does, make some good cash from its coal supplies.)
I think it IS important to increase manufacturing because that builds our economic strength. Otherwise, even though we may be spending a lot of money, we're actually getting poorer as a nation. And the poorer we become, the less clout we have. So, to hell with Microsoft? To hell with the medical industry? To hell with many other services we offer to others both here and abroad? To hell with the oil industry? And once again, if you so desperately MUST have manufacturing, take a good hard look at what I posted above. Companies like Toyota are manufacturing here because its cheaper than Europe...also, it is a LOT easier to fire workers here than in either Europe OR Japan.
I also agree with the need to have a balance of trade. Without it, we become a nation of borrowers; we produce no asset value. Well, we don’t NEED to have a balance of trade. You want to sell goods overseas? One, be cost effective and provide cheaper products. Two, STOP MAKING CRAP. And the way we become a nation of borrowers is by spending more than we earn; manufacturing has nothing to do with that. Want to stop being a nation of borrowers? Fine. Stop spending, and start saving, your money.
The economy isn't an eternal magical fountain. You keep buying foreign products, made with cheaper labor, and you're sending money overseas and taking it out of our economy. Therefore, economics to you is a zero-sum game in which the pie never ever expands. Someone loses a job, and the things they would buy from their neighbor aren't purchased. That neighbor gets laid off, and so on, until there's no local economy and the state is asked to sustain the jobless with increasing taxes on those who are still working.
When I was in Korea, I bought five tailor-made three piece suits for $1000. Now, if I wanted to do that in the United States, I would have to spend 5 times that, at least. By spending the $1000 over there, I actually helped Americans stay employed. Why is that? Because I took that money and spent it on other American products. I blew some of that cash on the iPOD, thus employing some Californians who designed that product and encouraging Apple to further innovate with that and other products. I also bought another Hewlett Packard computer, and thus further bolstered the Houston economy (where HP is headquartered). Not to mention other goods and services sold/provided by Americans.
Think poker - those who have the biggest stack of money can push around those who are short-stacked. In global economies, the poor countries cannot stand up against those with vast economic resources. Poker is an extremely bad analogy. Poker has a set amount of chips and is a zero-sum game. Economics is not a zero-sum game. (If only it were that easy.)
So it isn't about how you can save 20% of your paycheck in a bank account. It's about how we as a nation control what we give away - be it a gift of Foreign Aid, or giving our dollars to others who worked for pennies. But it IS. Where do you think investment comes from? A magic wand? It comes from SAVINGS. And the more dollars we have in SAVINGS, the more investments we are capable of, and the more the pie expands. And by conserving dollars in this country via savings - as you constantly whine we should be doing - that’s fewer dollars going to those bad foreigners you so despise.
As I said, I'm not an economist, and I know I may not have expressed my thoughts very well, but I have tried to explain what has been a gut-level experience over many years. It’s gut-level, all right. Simplistic, and very emotional.
I am continually amazed how the criticality and significance of manufacturing is so easily glossed over and not understood. The harder you fight for manufacturing, the faster it will slip away. Ask the British. Who, by the way, have one of the lowest rates of unemployment in Europe. Contrast that with France, who is coddling its economy in all manner of ways that no doubt you will find admirable - yet, they are the ones who are fading, losing their tax base, and have a 9% unemployment rate. Oh, by the way, the French unemployment rate has more or less sat there with little change for 25 years. That’s what you want for the United States? No thanks, I’ll pass.
In the meantime, why can’t you enjoy the manufacturing jobs that other nations are coughing up to us?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Almost every store in my area...
December 21, 2007 - 23:08 ET by Clear thinkerAlmost every store and busines in my area is hiring. The temp services in our area fight over possible hires. I have friends and family all over the country, and I hear almost the same story from all.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Awesome! But next, a touch of sarcasm
December 21, 2007 - 23:22 ET by UnsaneBut remember, according to JohnM, unless they are manufacturing jobs, you are not creating wealth.
(Never mind that any job is an opportunity to create, save, and invest wealth.)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Unsane...
December 21, 2007 - 23:33 ET by Clear thinkerSomething my Dad told me many years ago sticks with me to this day.... "all work is honorable". I don't care how you earn your paycheck. As long as you are doing something legal, ethical, and moral, you have the opportunity to accumulate wealth.
I sold my business two years ago. It was a manufacturing company, but the new owners have slowly turned it into more of a service industry and that's fine with me. There was a niche to fill and they found a way to fill it. Good for them. I just wish I had thought of it first.
Anyway, people just need to keep up with a changing economy, if they don't they lose. Learn or burn!
Sorry for rambling.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Unsane
December 21, 2007 - 23:35 ET byideas create wealth, manufacturing merely actualizes a portion of it.
Unless you wish to say Bill Gates merely made gadgets
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
The point!!!
December 21, 2007 - 23:37 ET by UnsaneI think your point is lost on way too many gloom-and-doomers and protectionists.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
uns
December 21, 2007 - 23:45 ET bywhen ideas are stolen by China there does need to be a response, i don't have a problem with a slave labor surcharge nor with an embargo on stolen intellectual property. And when the first child gets lead poisoning?
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
botg...
December 21, 2007 - 23:51 ET by Clear thinkerWhen I was a kid, and millions of others, all of our toys had lead paint. This deal with lead in toys is being hyped way too much. In order to have a deadly reaction to lead you would have to swallow about 40 Hot Wheels cars. And something tells me you would be dead before the lead had any chance to do it's job.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
clear
December 21, 2007 - 23:58 ET bylead is dangerous to kids as, unlike adults, their livers can not remove it. pets are dead. there are standards of safety that must be followed. So if China starts making cars we shouldn't have emission standards?
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
botg...
December 22, 2007 - 00:02 ET by Clear thinkerI know lead is bad for kids. All I'm saying is that it's hyped too much. Even a kid has to ingest large amounts for it to do damage.
Why you brought up cars is a mystery to me.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
a mystery
December 22, 2007 - 00:11 ET byjust an example of not enforcing standards (you seemed to be downplaying holding manufacturers accountable for lead in paint)
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
}}---> Yeah, botg
December 22, 2007 - 00:05 ET by Cool ArrowBut we'd better not start selling tanks to the Chinese.
I wouldn't want our enemies finding any Chinese soldiers in our armor.
I ♣ My Seal
Various
December 22, 2007 - 12:06 ET by Unsanewhen ideas are stolen by China there does need to be a response Or by anyone else. Note that while I bought some cheap (and well-made!) suits in Korea, no one could talk me into buying a $3 DVD that was most assuredly procured by a video camera in a movie theater. (Things like that are legion all over Asia.)
i don't have a problem with a slave labor surcharge nor with an embargo on stolen intellectual property. A slave labor surcharge smacks of an attempt at protectionism for one simple reason: can you PROVE what you bought from China came from a laogai? Probably not. The stolen intellectual property thing would be interesting, but we couldn't stop at China to be consistent.
And when the first child gets lead poisoning? Austria still exports wine 22 years after some vinters experimented with an interesting way to make the wines sweeter: use antifreeze as the sweetner. A handful of people died as a result, the Austrian wine market suffered for awhile, and as I recall a few people went to the slam over that. But you know what's funny? I never heard a massive uproar over the Austrian wines like I am over the Chinese lead, and (read the post below) since we don't use lead for pipes like the Romans did, we are relatively safe.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
More Kookyness...
December 24, 2007 - 02:59 ET by Sua Sponte 75From the great beyond. (HT LGF/ACE)
Neo-Nazis Say: Ron Paul is One of Us
Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 5:49:26 pm PST
Take this one with a grain of salt, please.
But at one of the ugliest neo-Nazi sites on the web, Vanguard News Network, the leader of the American National Socialist Workers Party says Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists.
(The link goes to a Google redirect page, because I won’t link directly to these vile creeps.)
Ron Paul Lies About Lack Of Involvement With White Nationalists
Comrades:
I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.
Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.
I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.
For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.
I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous — and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.
Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party
(Hat tip: Lone Star Times.) Lone Star Times
UPDATE at 12/19/07 5:52:00 pm:
Charges for the Tara Thai restaurant show up on this page listing DISBURSEMENTS FOR RON PAUL 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE.
(Hat tip: Render.)
UPDATE at 12/19/07 6:50:25 pm:
More corroboration of the neo-Nazi’s claim: Extremist Group Announces Speech by Congressman. The Robert A. Taft Club, a group headed by a man with a network of racist connections, has announced that a U.S. congressman, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), will address the group this Thursday at a restaurant in Arlington, Va.
Ron Paul: No Problem with Donations from Neo-Nazis (http://news.yahoo.co...)
Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 2:47:59 pm PST
The Ron Paul campaign not only refuses to disavow the support of racist scum like Don Black of Stormfront, they’re glad to take his money and have no plans to return it: Paul keeps white supremacist donation.
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn’t plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.
Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, “White Pride World Wide.” The site welcomes postings to the “Stormfront White Nationalist Community.”
“Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he’s wasted his money,”
Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. “Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom.”
Black said he supports Paul’s stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants. "We know that he’s not a white nationalist. He says he isn’t and we believe him, [Nudge, nudge. – ed.] but on the issues, there’s only one choice,“ Black said Wednesday.
”We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state,“ Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier. On his Web site, Black says he has been involved in ”the White patriot movement for 30 years.“
UPDATE at 12/19/07 2:57:19 pm:
The story of this donation from Stormfront, by the way, was broken by the Lone Star Times. (http://lonestartimes...)
We Got Mail!
Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 5:29:01 pm PST
The hate mail is pouring in from enraged Paulians. Most of it is pretty unimaginative stuff; you know the drill, “f*ck you,” “Jew lover,” “moron,” etc.
But here are three of the most interesting and/or crazy ones. Please note that these were sent with our contact form, and there is a very explicit note underneath that form saying that “messages may be published unless you request otherwise.” Well, none of them requested otherwise, so let the chips fall where they may.
First up we have a very angry guy in upstate New York, who followed a link from The Daily Paul and seems to think I’m a lazy hippie.
http://www.dailypaul...
(OK, I might have been a hippie once, but damn, that was a long time ago. But lazy? Aw, that really smarts.) This one has the subject line “Dribble.” Heh. Maybe he thinks I’m a lazy hippie who plays for the Knicks?
This is the dumbest dribble I have ever read. Can you guys please go get jobs and stop with the crap? I know you want the government to support your ass forever and you are scared that will stop. How about you get out of your parents basement and help out, might actually bring you back from fantasy land. You sit around wondering why your freedom and finances are going away yet you slander the best chance you have to get both back. Your lack of knowledge on how money and government work is astounding. You could have the world you want if you started to understand how it works....work bring the word you should focus on. $500.00...from Nazi’s...please spare me, is this best you can muster? Ron Paul 2008! Let’s get the lazy hippies out of their parent’s basements!
Okey dokey. Moving right along, we have admirer #2, who hails from Minnesota, and thoughtfully included his name and city of residence. I’m too nice, because I’ll redact his name and city from his lovely little note, which came with the subject line, “Bottom Feeders.”
That’s the only way I can describe you.
Smear artist NeoCon bottom feeding warmongerers.
Of course you know how many photos and how many autographs a candidate gets, but you just can’t help but smear Ron Paul.
I like him more and more everyday, and thanks to people like YOU.
I used to have a modicum of respect, however, you’re nothing but a stain on my former Grand Party.
In fact, the RATS really don’t have anything on you.
There’s a law in the universe called Sowing and Reaping.
You’re planting bad seed.
[Name and address removed.]
PS Have you met a quisling you didn’t slobber over yet?
Mmm. Quisling.
And finally, we have a short but sweet note from someone who followed a link from Dave Weigel’s silly post at Reason.com, with the phony return address “f*ckyou@mailinator.com” (hey, that’s good! use a mailinator.com address on a contact form!), and the subject line “Go F*ck Yourself.”
EOM
Obviously, this one intended to send no message at all, discovered the contact form wouldn’t allow that, and was too full of impotent rage to think of anything except “EOM.”
The interesting part about this last love note is that Mr. F*ckyou used his company internet connection to send it. Remember that part about “messages may be published?” Well, that goes double for people who write things like that. Ironically, when I traced the IP address, I discovered that this Ron Paul fan works for a web design agency in Philadelphia called Empathy Lab. (And yes, I notified them about what one of their employees is doing on company time.)
More Transmissions from the Pauliverse
Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 1:49:48 pm PST
I think we have a winner in our “Who Can Be the Craziest Ron Paulian?” sweepstakes: Ron Paul and the Nazis. http://www.erichufsc...
Don’t follow that link unless you’re somewhere near a shower stall, because you’re definitely going to feel dirty after you read that sick antisemitic garbage.
The runners-up in our creepy competition:
URGENT: RON PAUL SUPPORTERS/ READ THIS ASAP
http://www.surfingth...
whatreallyhappened.com: Alleged White Supremacist Bill White’s Kosher Attack on Ron Paul. http://www.whatreall...
And in this post at the Ron Paul Forum, they’re working on ways to get even: Ways to counter Little Green Footballs - Ron Paul Forums. http://www.ronpaulfo...
UPDATE at 12/21/07 2:01:50 pm:
In news from the sane universe, the Paulians are pwned again! At Lone Star Times, the idiots are completely exposed as ... well, idiots: Rombies no match for ... JEWZILLA!
http://lonestartimes...
UPDATE at 12/21/07 2:24:49 pm:
Here’s James B. at Screw Loose Change, about Ron Paul’s claim on the Glenn Beck show that he didn’t know he was being supported by wackos and conspiracy theorists: Just How Out Of It Is Ron Paul?
http://screwloosecha...
WHAT? Hello, how many times have you been on Alex Jones’ radio program? Have you even paid attention to who Alex Jones is? Not to mention that these are hardly the only fringe elements that he hangs out with. As I pointed out previously he has been the main speaker at events like those run by the Freedom Law School, which is on the watchlist for extremist organizations by the ADL, and is frequented by all sorts of fringe types such as tax resisters, anti-Semites, and conspiracy theorists.
So the man is either lying, or he is completely clueless about a social movement that is fairly widely known in the country as a whole, and that is rampant among his followers. Do you want this man running the country?
Ron Paul Poll Punking Techniques Exposed
Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:14:33 pm PST
http://www.ronpaulfo...
Ron Paul supporters just can’t help revealing how crazed they are. Here a Paulbat helpfully explains why they don’t post working links to internet polls at their site, and instead rely on their camp followers to copy and paste: Why Links Are Broken!!!! Read!! - Ron Paul Forums.
GoRon2008
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 151
Why Links Are Broken!!!! Read!!
I am sick of people not understanding why we post broken links!
We do this so they can’t track where we are coming from. If they see a couple hundred people voting from this site for Ron in 30min, it makes us look bad.
Please understand the internet!
And here, by the way, is the official Ron Paul Poll Punking Database (http://ronpaulgw.goo...) , where they collect links to online polls for the Paulbats to spam. Notice that all their links go through an “anonymizer” site, so that web site owners don’t catch on to what they’re doing.
(Hat tip: Thanos.)
Stormfront at Ron Paul Forum
Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 10:19:33 am PST
Don Black of the neo-Nazi hate site Stormfront has an account at the Ron Paul Forums; here’s one of his posts, from a topic started by a Paulian who is desperately begging their candidate to: Please Give IT BACK I beg of you. http://www.ronpaulfo...
(Hat tip: Canadian Guy.)
UPDATE at 12/21/07 10:40:26 am:
The Ron Paul Forum administrators are frantically trying to remove all traces of Don Black. They’ve edited his posts, and here’s what you get now if you search for posts by Don Black. http://www.ronpaulfo...
(Hat tip: Thanos.)
Transmissions from the Pauliverse
Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 10:00:57 am PST
Here are some of the calm, reasoned answers to our Ron Paul posts, from a closed thread at the Ron Paul Forum:
Today, 12:00 AM
ronpaul1
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Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 41
Fred Thompson.
littlegreenfootbals is:
* owned by charles johnson, a friend of don black.
* littlegreenfootbals has won awards from isreal/jewish rights groups.
* littlegreenfootbals has been labeled a hate site by arab and muslim groups.
* Charles Johnson also owns pajama media
* pajama media is on the payroll of Fred Thompson.
...
Yesterday, 10:50 PM
xao
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 661
This is the 7th thread like this in the last 30 minutes here. Let this thread die.
This Bill “White” retard is a jewish zionist. Just like Don “BLACK”
They are a false opposition group and work in tandem with the ADL, fbi, etc.
In other words, quit posting this neo-con/marxist bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia....
“For ”promoting Israel, and Zionism“ and ”presenting Israel’s side of the conflict,“ LGF won the ”Best Israel Advocacy Blog“ award from the Jerusalem Post in 2005 [5]. According to Gil Ronen, a reporter for Internet news outlet, Israel National News:[6]
If anyone ever compiles a list of Internet sites that contribute to Israel’s public relations effort, Johnson’s site will probably come in first, far above the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s site.”
LOL I was right. What a bunch of losers.
I don't know whether Ron Paul loves the Neo-Nazis, but they sure do dig him--not that you'll find much about it on his whitewashed Wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia....
In any event, what I do know about Ron Paul is that he's a damned hypocrite when it comes to his positions on the Constitution, particularly as regards legitimate spending under the Commerce Clause. (http://ap.google.com...)
And the more mindless spam comments I read coming from obnoxious Ron Paul zombies, the more I'm convinced that Ron Paul should be exposed and ridiculed at every opportunity.
Need a laugh at the Paulbots' expense?
Read through this at Encyclopedia Dramatica. http://www.encyclope...
UPDATE: If you enjoyed that, try the entry for "Karl Marx." Also, try entering any number of internet memes, Internet stories or other hilarities...like lolcats, anonymous, internet politics, trolls, etc.
Try it! It's like Wikipedia, but teh funny and way more esoteric!
Nothing to see here...kindly move along...
Haaretz US correspondent Shmuel Rosner seems to be detecting a certain odor wafting from the pronouncements of a certain Crazy Uncle: Ron Paul insists: ‘Israel encourages Americans to go into Iran’.
http://www.haaretz.c...
So here is what Paul had to say about Israel and Iran:
What if Iran would “invade” Israel? (This is a somewhat strange framing of the question. The danger people seem to view in a nuclear Iran is that it will bomb Israel, not invade it.)
Paul: “Well, they are not going to. That is like saying that Iran is about to invade Mars. They have nothing, they don’t have an army or a navy or an air force. Israelis have 300 nuclear weapons, nobody would touch them... It is an impossible situation.”
So far so good. Whatever one thinks of Paul’s foreign policy analysis, assuming that Iran will not harm Israel is a legitimate position. But here is where Paul becomes more - well - kooky:
Russert showed him a quote of something he said on CNN: “Israel is dependent on us, you know, for economic means. We send them these billions of dollars and then they depend on us. They say, well, you know, we don’t like Iran. You go fight our battles. You bomb Iran for us. And they become dependent on us.”
Then the question: “who in Israel says go bomb Iran for us?”
Paul: “Well, I don’t know the individual, but we know that the leadership, you read it in the papers daily, that the government of Israel encourages Americans to go into Iran. I don’t think that’s a top secret...”
Russert: “That the government of Israel wants us to bomb Iran?”
Paul: “I don’t think there’s a doubt that they’ve encouraged us to do that. And of course the neoconservatives have been anxious to do that for a long time.”
Seems like the kookyness just isn't with the supporters....
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Sua Sponte
December 27, 2007 - 08:21 ET by fosstenYour white supremacist story has been discredited...
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Oh, my fault....
December 27, 2007 - 13:04 ET by Sua Sponte 75"Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul."
It was ONLY the LEADER of the group....yea that's entirely different....and if his SPOKESMAN said it, it must be true.
Anyhow, all the other nuttiness that is, doesn't get explained away with this one issue...
On another note, this is not my story, but notes from all over to include some from Ronnies site, as noted above....
So all in all it's difficult to negate this with all the other issues.....
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Apologism
December 27, 2007 - 13:25 ET by UnsaneHe still says that the Israeli government is the biggest lobby in Washington. Now, if he isn't an anti-Semite for stating that, he is still a political idiot, for they are NOT the biggest lobby in Washington. And considering the length of time he has spent in Washington, he should know better.
I know what is the biggest DC lobby. Do you?
But please, by all means, keep up with your Paul apologism. As he is still brain-dead foreign policy wise, I won't vote for him for dogcatcher. He has made it plain that he will not preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States repeatedly.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Sua Sponte
December 27, 2007 - 08:23 ET by fosstenYour white supremacist story has been discredited...
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.