I know there is not a lot of interest at NB about SPP and NAU. In fact, I guess because most of the folks here are so nice, I have been ignored instead of publicly scorned. I respect the courtesy, but I must continue, from time to time, to share information that I hope will alert others.
Here is yet another article on SPP, NAFTA etal. I see my country disappearing before my eyes each day. I see most of it via the internet because the MSM will never show it.
On occasion a newspaper will publish something of interest regarding SPP, but basically SPP/NAU is ignored. This from the LA Chronicle (excerpt only):
"The results of NAFTA were not accidental," said Jeff Faux of the Economic Policy Institute early on in the conference. "In Mexico it was about getting people off the land, into the city, to become labourers in new factories. It's no surprise it actually happened."
Faux said that NAFTA was a deal among elites, a class issue from the beginning, and fighting it will require some kind of cross-border consensus on what is wrong with the agreement and how it should be changed.
While the bulk of the conference focused on NAFTA's impact on farmers and the link between U.S. trade policies and migration, there was recognition from most presenters that the SPP represents a dangerous next phase in the NAFTA saga -- one that not only privileges big business interests but locks them in through institutions like the North American Competitiveness Council, essentially privatizing public policy.
So in my mental illness and advancing senility, my mind's logic still sees a tremendous threat to our country. I am comforted to know that there are some rather well-respected and knowledgable people who believe as I do. Why they even see the illegal immigration problem as a key to what some of those mythical people I talk about have supported as a step in the direction of "wage normalization." I am so happy to see the numbers of people who are leery about SPP/NAU grow. Even though not on this site.
But then again, I am a Conspiro. I am getting senile. I just can't help myself.
PS
I ask you kindly to humor me and provide information as to why the USA and Canadian military signed a joint support treaty to control civil unrest. Perhaps to keep the Americans who are losing their jobs and homes from celebrating their joy too widely???
This description, believe it or not, from a teen age blog site. (there is hope for some of our youth.
"On February 14 2008, the president of the USA and Canada’s prime minister met secretly to sign a treaty basically guaranteeing that there will be no problems with “civil unrest” in the future.
The treaty says that if the USA has any problems with “civil unrest” that Canada’s military will come down and help our military out, and if Canada has any problems with “civil unrest” then we will help them with our military.
Senate’s (or whatever Canada has) in both countries were furious when they heard about the treaty, especially since they were not notified about ANY of it until now. Canada is upset because it does not want to give us any military help, and actually they are not to keen on the whole North American Union thing anyways.
Does this not scream police state? Our government (and Canada’s) has basically guaranteed that if we simple citizens try to protest and fight for freedom that we will have not just one, but TWO armies ready to arrest us. I will NOT be going to any rallies or protests anytime soon with that promise.
Just thought you should know about the new step towards police state and New World Order,"
Right on kiddo. One day, if there is an America left, you will be a leader.
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This may seem off thread---
March 21, 2008 - 00:37 ET by misterbillThis may seem off thread---but I was not convinced that Bill Clinton had done anything wrong with Monica Lewinski, so I went to the ultimate source, "The Bill Clinton Myths vs Facts" web page. Bill denied any relationship, so there (symbolic washing of hands), that's settled.
One should always go to the source for the truth.
A side issue--GW Bush denied that oil was at $24/bbl when he was first elected. Another filthy rumor disposed of-----.
And, oh yeah, Adolph signed the "Peace in our Time" for Neville Chamberlain---and on and on.
Misterbill, I'm glad your
March 21, 2008 - 11:05 ET by ThoughtPoliceMisterbill, I'm glad your catching on to something "conspiratorial." There is no doubt going to be a NAU sometime in the next few years.
Some schlomo like Insane asked me a few months ago how "they" were going to "trick" us into a NAU. I believe I said something like "debase the currency, cause panick, and come forth and "save" us with a new unified currency the Amero."
Well, 2 of the 3 are/have happend. The currency is down the drain past alice. Jim Rogers is calling for the abolishment of the FED (search youtube for "jim rogers bernanke"). Its just too bad RP isn't the repub nominee to make that happen.
The FED is purposely devaluing the dollar to help big time wall street. The NAU is a VERY real "solution" the the problem that they are causing.
Now, this all comes back to 9/11. YES 9/11!! Without 9/11, there would be no Iraq war, no Afghan war, no 'war on terra.' The false flag operation known as 9/11 set this whole thing in motion (not the FED, that deceit has been going on since 1913).
Japanese councillor Yukihisa Fujita is calling for a new investigation into 9/11. He knows that 9/11 was an inside job and says that many other members of parliament (British) know too. They are waiting till Bush gets out of office before they "blow the whistle."
http://video.google....
http://www.opednews....
http://www.indybay.o...
The only way to stop the neocon agenda (endless war on terror, NAU, global gov't) is to know the truth about 9/11. That would start a chain reaction to cleanse those in gov't who lie and go back to the days of 1776 where ALL of our rights are given back to us.
I'll help you spread the truth about the NAU, I only pray you know the truth about 9/11.
Well boy oh boy I hope you
March 21, 2008 - 11:30 ET by BinxlyWell boy oh boy I hope you don't think Ron Paul *truely* believes this BS about 9/11. Let's face it, is there corruption in government on BOTH sides? Abso-flippin-lutely. Is it our job as Americans to search for knowledge, ask tough questions, and dig when something smells funny? Certainly. However, that said, the results are in, 9/11 was perpetuated by foreign terrorism. They tried to take the building out once before and were damn near full success. They were given PLENTY of time to regroup and re-think during the Clinton years when our nation was more concerned with BS projects like midnight basketball and Bill's use of the Oval office as his own set for 'Bill Clinton's Love Connection.'
That said, I want to stay on point since I know arguing with a 'truther' is like trying to convert the pope to atheism. it's simply impossible. I'll let you contine to stew away with your 'theories' and continue to waste time on an issue that is fabricated. My point was, you name drop Ron Paul, and as a BIG TIME Ron Paul supporter, you truthers bum me out so gah damn badly its not even funny. This is not an attack on you TP, this is not personal, it is merely an objective assesment of someone who's reviewed copious amounts of info on BOTH sides of the 9/11 issue and I can assure you, while I am not assaulting your character, your logic is flawed and downright insane on this issue.
Also, as I said long before this, name drop Ron Paul, I dont mind, I love the man, I WANT people to HAVE to hear about him since the MSM and the conservative leaning fox news BOTH refuse to give him a fair shake. That said, you truthers only misrepresent him and hurt his reputation. Ron Paul has not only NEVER mentioned his belief of 9/11 to be an inside job, but has GONE OUT OF HIS WAY (I was at this rally) where a truther asked him about the conspiracy, and he LAUGHED at the question and assured the young man that not only is he 'listening too much and not reading enough' but he made it VERY clear that whatever beef he has with the current administration, and the previous ones, as well as any beef with either party, that he is *110% SURE* that the events of 9/11 were perpetuated by foreign terrorists.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I will never let another truther mis-represent Paul ever again on my watch.
Binxly, lets clear up a few
March 21, 2008 - 15:13 ET by ThoughtPoliceBinxly, lets clear up a few things, eh? Sounds like we are on the same "side."
First, I was equating Ron paul with the FED and wanting to abolish it and not with 9/11. I was pointing out the fact that we now have Juan McAmnesty as our Republican nominee instead of the disciplined Dr. Paul. Yes, I know Paul's stance on 9/11 as does any hardcore Paulite. However, like any hardcore Paulite, I ALSO know that he says there should be a new investigation because most investigations (warren commision, etc.) are COVER UPS. Those are his words which I'm sure you've heard.
Second, arguing with a truther is like trying to convert the pope to atheism because, just like the pope knows there is a God, we know 9/11 was an inside job. Let me ask you, since you've looked at the "conspiracy" side, what happened to WTC 7? You really think a 47 story building imploded perfectly in on itself due to debris damage and fire? If so, YOU are the insane one, not me. Look at all the evidence of WTC 7 being demolished: 6.5 second fall (freefall), fell into its own footprint, squibs, etc.
Danny Jowenko, a Dutch CD expert, says WTC 7 was blown up. Architects and engineers (all 300 ofthem now and counting) for 9/11 truth say it was blown up. What evidence do you have that it wasn't?
Look at the links I posted above. This is not a joke and it is not a game. This Japanese guy is for real and is taking this very seriously. 24 Japanese were killed on 9/11 and they still don't know by whom. The U.S. gov't has not proven that it was al-qaeda or Bin Laden. I'll tell you what, show me where Bin laden is wanted for 9/11 and I'll say your right. Why don't you go to the fbi's most wanted list and start there. Wait, let me help you out...he isn't wanted for 9/11!
TP- Binxly
March 21, 2008 - 15:58 ET by misterbillTP-- while I have stood with you on the SPP and the NAU from day one., I must inform you that I am not a truther. I have never stood with those who believe that 9/11 was in inside job. Why, I even wrote once on this site that my world would be crushed if I could accept such a thing. I spent many. many hours reading info from both sides and always came back to my original conclusion that those who hate us--AlQaeda terrorists were responsible. I will not spend the time now to go over the many hours, documents, videos and sites that I visited just to prove that what I saw is what happened. (I did see the second plane crash into the tower via TV.)
I will not dispute you over your beliefs, but it just dawned on me, reading the exchange between you and Binxly, that it is quite possible that some NBers lump SPP/NAU believers with truthers.
I am sorry they feel that way. And in a sad admission, I wll be called a defeatist because of this, I believe the fight (SPP/NAU) may already be over.
The bill on violent radicalization
The refurbishing of the detention camps
The Mexican truck challenge by the administration
The mutual support treaty with Canada for "civil unrest"
The words of the CFR
The open borders push
The trans texas corridor battle
The Smart center in KC
This from today:
"The overarching goal of the SPP is to deepen economic and national security within and between the three North American countries.
That, in itself, is not such a bad idea. However, one key aspect of the SPP is the Merida Initiative, set to come to vote in Congress as early as April. If passed, the Merida Initiative would designate $1.4 billion U.S. dollars to Mexico during the course of two to three years.
The stated purpose of this money is to fight drug trafficking and organized crime. The reality is more complex. Sixty percent of the funds in the first year would go directly to individuals and entities in Mexico known for committing grave human rights abuses."
So even within an already flawed plan there are more flaws. I can continue on, but if the man in the street cannot add theses things together for himself, no amount of proof will do it. Deep denial--I have been there occasionally.
MisterBill (you know, I
March 21, 2008 - 19:45 ET by ThoughtPoliceMisterBill (you know, I just realized there was a bar in my College town called Mr. Bills),
That your world would be crushed is an understatement, trust me. When I hit the point that I "knew" 9/11 was an inside job I didn't know what to think. I literally thought our gov't was going to collapse once people found out. Unfortunately, some people still don't believe it to be so and are slowing the process down. I respect your answer above, but want to call you out on it.
As I asked Binxley, what do YOU think of WTC 7 then? If there is a "smoking gun" to this crime, that is it. In plain daylight, they blew up a 47 story building in front of some 10-15 cameras. Believing that this was due to fire and damage is only kidding yourself and feeding into their ploy of hoping that people "couldn't believe our gov't could do this." HA! I challenge that too then! Our gov't COULD drop two Atom bombs killing hundreds of thousands of people. Our gov't COULD kill hundreds of thousands in korea and vietnam. Our gov't COULD have scandals like watergate, Iran contra, etc.
Our gov't is no more or less corrupt than any other in history, but they ARE corrupt.
I implore you to look at the links of the Japanese MP. Read the article and watch the vid. This is going to be on the world stage soon and I don't want you to be left out.
TP
WOW TP
March 21, 2008 - 19:59 ET byjust wow, they live don't they
"Man created god(s) Anything believed was created by man"----Syrius
misterbill: " I will not
March 21, 2008 - 21:44 ET by alamojbmisterbill: " I will not dispute you over your beliefs, but it just dawned on me, reading the exchange between you and Binxly, that it is quite possible that some NBers lump SPP/NAU believers with truthers. "
This has been my fear for a while. In conversations,I keep telling people about NAU, but always find myself caveating that I am not a "Truther".
The Truthers vastly underestimate the Islamic threat.
In reality, there is a war on Western Nationalism. One need only look at the EU to see where America is heading. The EU began as a trade deal.
The Muslims flooding into Europe are a rough equivalent to the open borders with Mexico in the US. The whole intentention is outnumber the existing population that might have lingering love of nation with some other loyalty. The goal in Europe for the elites is a supra-state. Somehow the one World government socialist think they can control these groups and elements in these groups will have competing long tern goals with the socialist. ( Muslim with Sharia and Mexicans with reconquista).
Misterbill: "I am sorry they feel that way. And in a sad admission, I wll be called a defeatist because of this, I believe the fight (SPP/NAU) may already be over. "
You left off something off your list. The 47 or so Mexican Consulates in the US handing out Matricular Consular cards in America to illegal aliens. Congress approved these cards for banking actions knowing full well they are for Mexico's colonization efforts of the US.
Misterbill, No worries,
March 24, 2008 - 09:49 ET by BinxlyMisterbill,
No worries, forgive my miswording, I was not lumping the groups together. Moreso, I was rebuking TP's initial claim that Ron Paul believes there are cover ups for 9/11 and his own assertion (now and in the past) that 9/11 was an inside job. I agree with you misterbill as I have gone over (maybe not as many hours as you) many nights perusing the information from both sides. I agree, I think blaming it ALL on mere radical Islam or Anti-Western sentiment, I believe there is more to be looked into, such as perhaps certain actions of our nation that may or may not be responsible for heightening rather than reducing, anti-American, Anti-Western sentiment over in the Middle East. I do agree we are rightfully holding radical Islam accountable for their actions but we may not always hold ourselves accountable due to the "America can do no wrong" attitude.
However, much like you Misterbill, I will not go into explicit detail with TP, since as he said, he *KNOWS* it was an inside job. I will at least admit that I *believe* it was not, due to the overwhelming evidence that it was indeed the actions of foreign aggression in the interests of radical, religious terrorism. I'll leave it with this...
The Scientific community has debunked ALL myths that steel would not melt in the way it did, at the temperatures it did, or that the physics would not allow the building to collapse as it did. The engineering society of America has spent OODLES of deniro on research on BOTH towers (yes, also WTC 7) and it was more than a group consensus that it was indeed direct and collateral damage of both impacts alone that caused the chaos and destruction of 9/11.
The difference between you and me TP is that, if given SOLID, scientific and physic-based evidence to PROVE that the tower collapses were due to explosions *AND* that it was our own government that caused it, I would easily apologize and join you and your ranks of the loony truthers. However, you on the other hand have access to ALL the evidence I do, scientific and otherwise, that more than proves it was ALL a direct cause of the terrorist attack, yet you still not only BELIEVE it was an inside job, but you claim you *know* it was.
Please, TP, if you have this undeniable, scientific, and proven evidence, go to press. I'm serious. However, if all you have are links like this (and I'll admit it's interesting) then I'm afraid I've yet to be sold.
However Misterbill, forgive me, I did not mean to implicate you were a truther or those against things like the NAU were 'truthers.' I am also another proud Libertarian who is also mindful of the NAU and am also a bit leery of McCain due to his potential affinity to such. I have never heard him openly endorse such an idea, but I did not also hear Bush endorse it either, yet, sadly, as a former fan of GW, I was sad to hear his actions that have brought us one step closer to an NAU reality.
misterbill
March 21, 2008 - 20:06 ET bykeep sharing, my friend. It is evident that there are many globalists from both sides of the aisle. The socialists because they are socialists. The pro-business because it's good for business. The idealists because 'one world' is ideal.
Strange bedfellows indeed.
"Man created god(s) Anything believed was created by man"----Syrius
botg... Do I ever Second
March 21, 2008 - 20:11 ET by bigtimerbotg...
Do I ever Second that.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
well you all laughed---
March 21, 2008 - 21:18 ET by misterbillwell you all laughed--- when I tried to warn you about the triffids, then looked what happened. Nobody believed me about the body snatchers, and now they are all gone. I warned you!!!!!
botg: "keep sharing, my
March 21, 2008 - 21:55 ET by alamojbbotg: "keep sharing, my friend. It is evident that there are many globalists from both sides of the aisle. The socialists because they are socialists. The pro-business because it's good for business. The idealists because 'one world' is ideal.
Strange bedfellows indeed."
Amen. Lets not forget that the Mexicans in North America and the Muslims in Europe are being used by them as well.
Sometimes I get a little evil satisfaction thinking of the Muslims forcing the socialist elite Europeans into sharia law. Poetic justice for betraying their own culture. Then I think of all the innocent "little people" and I loose the satisfaction. The ruling class will not suffer- its the poor little common people that will pay for all this- plus I increasingly suspect a communist EU governement will actually turn on the Sharia lovers eventually. ( "The EU-Soviet" is what I heard one British patriot call the rising EU Supra-State)
I do not think there has ever been a time in history where there was such a large act of treason by so many people.
Thank God a few----
March 22, 2008 - 13:32 ET by misterbillThank God a few----patriotic politicians--(at the state level, there are too few at the federal level) are paying attention. Read below:
In late February both the Senate and House of South Dakota passed an anti-NAU, anti-NAFTA Superhighway resolution by votes of 24 to 9 and 56 to 13 respectively. With Utah and South Dakota joining Idaho, Montana, and Oklahoma, this means five states have now passed anti-NAU resolutions in both houses during the 2007-2008 time period. The total of states introducing anti-NAU resolutions has risen to 21 for these two years.
Well 21 state governments are such a bunch of conspiros. Perhaps the secrecy of the meetings made them suspicious. Perhaps they have staff assigned to track things like this. Perhaps they are sick of a federal congress that ignores us and them!!!!