It probably comes as a surprise to many here, but I actually have always been known in the non computer world for my smile and laugh. I do both much more than the average person, but it's never forced.
I think this article that I saw on Drudge today is great and it is kind of the theory behind my rants on Newsbusters lately.
Please Read!
Comments Policy
Please give your opinions on this scientific evidence
May 18, 2008 - 14:30 ET by Dee BunkDo you agree or disagree and why? I have more opinions but have done enough rambling lately. What does everyone else think?
Hey, Dee
May 18, 2008 - 14:37 ET by BlondeI don't know about the science, but I run a call center for real, and the abusive customers are not good for anyone's mental health. So we encourage alot of laughter, which is GOOD for the soul.
I'd encourage everyone to keep in mind that the person at the other end of the phone is usually NOT at fault for whatever problem you're having....they are there to help you (hopefully), and the person(s) you should be angry with are the corporate bigwigs who are responsible for the stupid stuff that has you angry.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
So true Blonde
May 18, 2008 - 14:53 ET by Dee BunkI'm never rude to call center people. I usually don't answer the phone but if I do by accident, I'm always polite. I say "I'm sorry but I'm just not interested. Thanks anyway".
Thanks, Dee
May 18, 2008 - 15:00 ET by BlondeI knew you'd be that kind of a person, you are even nice to annoying telemarketers.
The article, however, referenced an inbound call center.
Think about it...you're job is to placate people who are ANGRY! And your boss forces you to be nice (d'oh....it's "customer service", after all).
I'd like to think I give my employees the appropriate tools to deflect abuse, but the bottom line is, it has become an impersonal and ugly world out there, and we treat strangers worse than we'd treat a rat (look at some of the nastiness that goes on around here).
Now, I'm not preaching Kumbayah or anything, but Miss Manners is one of my idols!
P.S. I bet you're one of those people who has a laugh that just causes other people to feel better. When you hear them laugh, you just can't help but be cheered up. Am I right?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde - Oh I agree - there is a fine disinction when it's
May 18, 2008 - 17:01 ET by Dee Bunkyour job to handle complaints. It's your job to put up with some abuse.
That is kind of how I see it here at newsbusters. All of us regulars and the NB staff need to treat new posters (and even some older ones) with a way that lets them let off their building steam. This is kind of our complaint center for the MSM because they don't listen to us. The steam is building now more than ever due to the fact that the MSM has anointed two liberal candidates.
If a customer calls a call center, after they blow off some steam, the caller tries to engage them in a positive way that makes them feel they are being heard. If numerous faithful attempts don't work and the person still abuses them then most people wouldn't blame the caller for getting a little snippy back.
Here at NB. The liberal posters can never be like the employee that cares about the company and their job and the ultimate goal of customer satisfaction. In fact, they have a competing interest. Regular conservative posters are like both the employee and the complaining customer. They are frustrated and need to let off steam but also care greatly about the success of this type of site.
It doesn't mean that we don't want liberals here to discuss things with or that some very gentile guiding towards more appropriate discourse isn't good. It's just that personally I think NB should be first and foremost concerned with making it a good place for conservatives of all stripes. Rallying with liberals against a conservative won't do anything to accomplish that.
I know it's my opinion and not necessarily the mission of this site, but it's my mission. I have immensely enjoyed some friendly debating with many of the liberals on this site, but it's gotten to the point that my politeness to them is not needed or appreciated by them. All of those who I've stuck up for in the past would be happy to throw me or anyone else under the bus with their newfound power. They can rally a group to try and cut me or anyone else down here. It's also become extremely easy for them to take a disagreement between two conservative posters and turn it into more than it would have otherwise been.
We are all going to disagree from time to time and many times it will get heated. I'm usually up for reconciliation even after the most heated of arguments, but not everyone is and some go away and never come back.
And as far as my laugh - it's hard to say. It's often described as infectious and that can be a compliment or an insult depending on how you want to take it. I'm sure my laugh annoys some people but I'm too busy laughing to notice ; )
Keep smiling Dee
May 18, 2008 - 18:21 ET by shawn228I'm glad you get a chance to let off steam on this site and I guess in way it is therapeautic to you, because I admit there is a liberal bias out there. Conservatives are frustrated because with the exception of Fox News and talk radio, there is not really anyone that puts the conservative view in play......I get that.
I also want to point out that Newsbusters is my political blog of choice, because they allow oppossing points of view. Kos does not allow it , DU does not allow it, and certainly conservative sites like Redstate.com does not allow it.
Even though NB has conservative tilt and sometimes turns away if a Dem is being flamed by a Conservative, it is overall fair on its treatment of members.
I like it that you smile, I like it that you want to let off steam. I don't like it however when you make false claims without backing them up. You've defending me in the past. When have I ever threw you under the bus? I also don't understand the new found power, we liberals have, that you claim.
Also a conservative should not agree with a liberal and against another conservative at all? Do you mean under no circumstances? Don't forget Dee, your the one that told me to lighten up and not take things so serious. It seems any time any of us disagree with you, you take it serious and think we are flaming you.
Again, I am glad you find time to laugh, caus I know I do.
Edit
You don't own this site and neither do I, The mods can do as they please, if you wish to continue to make outlandish statements, that is your right as long a mod does not discipline you, So it seems if anyone is whining to mods to change the way it is run, that would be you.
No Shawn - you are not getting my point at all
May 18, 2008 - 18:46 ET by Dee BunkYou keep wanting to make this personal despite PM's to you telling you that it's not.
I don't have problems with any of you individually. I have a problem with you as a group. This isn't about me and people disagreeing with me. I like to argue.
I don't want to bring up the instances because then it does make it personal, besides there are too many to bring up and search for. One of you actually said (in an argument with another person that I was not a part of) that liberal lurkers here got aggravated by peoples generalizations of "liberals" here and that is why they run off and are so obnoxious on other sites.
That type of thing - liberals here thinking that we should cater things here to make all liberals in the world feel better is preposterous. You have no right to complain about generalizations on this site. GO FIX YOUR OWN before you lecture us. When we generalize here about liberals, it's what the liberal intelligentsia are doing. Your people stereo type all of us based on what average citizens do. You will never get all people to behave correctly no matter what party they are in. If you want to change our "generalizations" then change your leadership.
What is your youtube handle Shawn? Have you been over there on Newsbusted lecturing the liberals about their tone and style?
Dee seriously,
May 18, 2008 - 19:11 ET by shawn228Where are you getting this from? I am not making this personal. You included me, Balboa, JasonC, Jer among others attacking you.
Also this has nothing to do with generalizations. I not asking you to provide me links and cut and paste. You should actually let Trach do that for your caus he is good at it......anyway moving along, I just want to know what I or any other lib attacked you.
Dee, since you are brutally honest with liberals and quite blunt, I guess it would not be out of bounds for me to say some harsh things as well. So this is me being blunt.
I'm glad you smile in real life and your laughter is infectious. I'm sure this is not true, but you project yourself like the person in the office that never wants to take blame for anything.
You know the type of person that blame others for what is wrong the store. If the co-workers dared question, you. You just say take it up with management Scr#w you.
Seriousy, you defend freestinker, and I admit I said things to fs, that I wish I could take back, but what If I did what fs does to liberals to you.?? hmm
You are having a argument with the recently banned Leon. He was saying you are one of the fat chicks he depises's?
You defend yourself and I do this to you,
Leon 1
Trolleon 0
Would you still tell me how funny freestinkers scoreboard is? and mention how he cheered you up after a hard day at work?
actually i think Dee
May 18, 2008 - 19:24 ET by botgactually i think Dee presents her side well and has shown a propensity to defend her friends. I can identify with that, i tend to defend my friends also. Shawn, you are both on my friends list, would it be correct for anyone to insist that i choose between friends? (i believe you would say no) Why then do you insist that Dee turn on Free?
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg
May 18, 2008 - 19:30 ET by shawn228i'm sorry but like I said the other day, you are the most biased referee I've ever seen, well maybe fs comes a close second.
How does she present her point well? I asked her how liberals attacked her. She said not one but 10 liberals gang up on someone. Who is she referring to? Even one example would be good.
I defend what can be defended botg. I am extremely fair, I am always the first to admit if a liberal has been out of line and I have called on Leon a few times. I'm sorry loyalty and reality are two different things. You do the right thing not matter what.
i was being a referee? i
May 18, 2008 - 19:38 ET by botgi was being a referee? i thought i was giving my POV.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
again with cryptic
May 18, 2008 - 19:42 ET by shawn228See, can't you answer simple question. You have to focus on the referee? My God man.......you are frustratiing!!!
I meant an example of us attacking her, 10 of us. Truth, exaggeration or false altogether.
I've got your &%$#@! bias right here shawn
May 18, 2008 - 19:45 ET by Free Stinkerbotg: 1
shawn: 0
;-)
"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker
freestinker
May 18, 2008 - 20:00 ET by shawn228I was expecting that and I deserved it. Thank you ;-) I know I will have to deal with it in this thread, so scoreboard way.
I promise I won't complain.............much. :-)
Lol Free
May 18, 2008 - 20:01 ET by Dee Bunkbut nobody ever gives me points : ( I'm going to go eat worms.
Dee
May 18, 2008 - 20:25 ET by Free StinkerDee,
I forgot to mention, this topic of yours is great!
;-)
I wish I still had a copy of this old Reader's Digest article "How To Enjoy a Three Day Grouch". The auther talks about being grouchy and how the "happiness brigade" also descends upon you with trite sayings such as "Smile and the world smiles with you!" or "Smile. It makes people wonder what you are up to."
My favorite response was to the remark "Smile! Don't yu realize how great it is just to be alive"
Classic answer: "Considering the alternative, Yes! It *is* great just to be alive! However, I don't think I should be required to smile just to let people know I'm glad I'm not dead!"
That sounds like a good article too Free
May 19, 2008 - 00:22 ET by Dee BunkWe all have to get it out sometimes and with the dire straights this party is in, we'll need to more than ever.
DeeB, My niece worked for Choice Confort inn, call center.
May 19, 2008 - 01:11 ET by upcountrywaterThe company has ONE call center, that operates 24-7-365... She has allways been a nite owl so it worked for her. The company as most companies are ;very private about their operations. I wanted to see what the call center looked like so she and I ,busted a move and went inside.. The main call area is one HUGE room 10,000 sq feet 100' X 100' X 30' high, 100 work stations with low partitions 3' or so everyone can see each other...Low pay... the company has this aura of "family" so there is lots of free give away stuff, coffee cups, hats, etc. also group things like picnics, softball, outings, .All around this call center room are meeting rooms.. to hang out in before work and after. One of the biggest areas is the nursey for hords of kids, mostly single moms worked there. A cult like atmophere. The turn over there is mind numbing.. My niece lasted 4 months. gawd she has some stories about KOOK callers LMAO
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The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
Liberals62%
That is interesting upcountry
May 19, 2008 - 12:49 ET by Dee Bunkpeople who do that work deserve a lot of credit.
10? where is that
May 18, 2008 - 20:03 ET by botg10? where is that said?
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
shawn, you linking or
May 18, 2008 - 20:17 ET by botgshawn, you linking or exaggerating?
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg: It was a brief post
May 18, 2008 - 20:41 ET by Jerbotg:
It was a brief post by Dee in the "White House Denies CNN's Claim Bush Bashed Obama in Israel" thread where she states something to the effect that if a conservative did something 10 people would jump on him etc.
You'll have to scroll down a bit to find it. For some reason, it won't link for me right now.
I assumed she was referring to 10 liberals, and asked if that was the case or was she referring to ten people generally. I don't think she ever answered.
Hope this helps.
Jer
Jer
May 18, 2008 - 20:50 ET by botgwell then, by the same sense of reasonableness perhaps you can review the general patterns here and see the tendancy that Dee is referring to? I think that checking WTH threads is a likely start.
Better yet, lets just point them out from now on.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
What are you talking about,
May 18, 2008 - 21:39 ET by JerWhat are you talking about, botg? Do you think Dee is being jumped on here by a bunch of liberals. Have I attacked her? I made one very reasonable, non-confrontational post to Dee, and one to you when you asked for a reference to the "10 men" quote.
Yes, Dee and I got into it on the captionfest thread. I went there at Noel's request, and one of the first things I saw was that bal, shawn, cp, jason, and I were being slammed again. I came here with the hope of clearing up any misunderstanding.
How do you view the problem?
Jer
May 18, 2008 - 21:46 ET by botglike i just said, i believe that Dee has been ganged up on somewhat but WTH very much so. But rather than rehash lets point it out in the future.
Why did Bal write this??
Shawn, you know that answer! It's you, me, Jer, JasonC! We're craaaaaaazy! Balboa
LOL, botg...
May 18, 2008 - 21:55 ET by JerI'm still trying to figure it out. You know, it's just bal being bal.
Jer
jer
May 18, 2008 - 22:19 ET by botg: )
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
Right Bruce - I'm not complaining about ganging up on
May 18, 2008 - 23:46 ET by Dee Bunkme - I've been inviting and encouraging it to prove a point.
Just because we have liberal friends here doesn't mean we can't complain about liberals. We established a high standard for ourselves here and the Newsbusters staff has made this site the most cordial of any political site. Liberals have no right to criticize it.
I only use WTH as an example because I think everyone can see what I'm talking about. There are many other instances where conservative posters are made to feel like the outsiders. Some have left, others are thinking about leaving and yet the liberals can't wait to get back. I just hope that conservatives try and pull together a little more.
Some of us will hold our nose and vote for McCain, others can't bear to do it. So what, we are still all in the same leaky boat and we need everyone to bail out the water.
nite Dee, nite Shawn
May 18, 2008 - 23:52 ET by botgkeep laughing, your spouses will appreciate it.
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
}}---> DEE?
May 18, 2008 - 23:55 ET by Cool ArrowJust because we have liberal friends here doesn't mean we can't complain about liberals.
Given the mission statement of this Blog, "exposing liberal bias" what else should we complain about.
Illigitimii non carborundum. You're tracking fine.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Exactly Cool!
May 19, 2008 - 00:18 ET by Dee BunkThat is why we come here - to complain about liberals. It seems so obvious but - ya know - sometimes people need to be reminded.
see you people are just obsessed
May 18, 2008 - 21:03 ET by Dee BunkI said 10 people off the cuff meaning a group of people - that's it and now you all want to focus on 10 being the actual number?
Well I doubt it was actually ever 10 and that makes me a big fat liar.
Liberals - 10
Dee Bunk the big fat liar - 0
Happy?
Dee
May 18, 2008 - 21:33 ET by botgi expected that had Shawn met the expectations for accountability which he was holding others too that his link would lead to obvious hyperbole.
The other night Shawn did not meet the standard he had set for you. This is becoming a pattern where Shawn expects others to do that which he doesn't.
hyperbole:
noun Rhetoric.
1.obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
here is your hyperbole botg
May 18, 2008 - 23:12 ET by shawn228Ok hear a quote and tell me how I am exageratting. Your one of the best at spinning, but i'm curious how you can explain this one. Did she not say pounced on by 10 people? The only think i'm assuming is it is liberals, but I strongly doubt she is talking about conservatives.
She made this accusation right after she called Bal and a-hole. Are you going to apologize to me, or are you going to say I am twisting the words.?
hyperbole Shawn, already
May 18, 2008 - 23:39 ET by botghyperbole Shawn, already answered above, an exaggeration --not to be taken literally. You only linked after all was settled check the time stamps. You gonna hold onto this or drop it as i suggested to jer hours ago?
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg
May 19, 2008 - 01:08 ET by shawn228Where was I discredited? Show me this hyperbole you claim. You have a great night as well.
shawn
May 19, 2008 - 21:17 ET by botgthe hyperbole was by Dee!!! (10 people will jump you)
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg
May 19, 2008 - 21:39 ET by shawn228oic,
I gotcha, it takes a while for these concepts to sink in my liberal mind :-)
Yes Dee
May 18, 2008 - 23:22 ET by shawn228In fact I am, the number is exaggerated. We are getting somewhere. Now talk a little bit about a new sense of power that we have, and how many of us have attacked you and any of us would be glad to throw you under a bus. Was that exaggerated as well?
We are not getting anywhere Shawn - you are a nit picky prude
May 19, 2008 - 10:14 ET by Dee BunkYou want so bad to make it personal then fine. I remind you of some type of office worker that you can't stand? You have me right. Screw you! You remind me of one I can't stand. The kind that sits around focusing so hard on every little detail and can't wait to point out the errors of every coworker but doesn't have a clue and could care less about the goals and bigger picture of the company. You care about Shawn and Shawn only.
Here is where I referenced your names in my argument - when I said this
None of us claim to be perfect and if Syrius, Jason, Shawn, Baloba,
Cleverpig, Jer and the many other liberals who come here had any real
concern about changing any tone then they would be spending their
efforts criticizing the much more regular and egregious attacks by
liberals.
I didn't complain about attacks on me. I also said in in this very thread that you guys (no one person in particular) would be happy to throw me under the Bus, not that you did throw me under the bus. You have proved my point in this and the thread where I called balboa and A-hole.
I'm tired of your he said she said wa wa whining. I DON'T CARE! The details make no difference to me - it's the concept that does. The concept FOR ME is that I care about this site. I think it's success will come from it's conservative membership - not it's liberal memebership. I come here to blow of steam about liberals and I'm sure many other people who come here do to. If you don't like it then TOO BAD.
You keep asking for examples as if I'm making stuff up that doesn't happen. So far on this thread there have been 5 examples brought up by people other than me and two of them come from your "favorite poster" and at least one of them comes from YOU. So cut your crap. My issue is not who is right and who is wrong in any argument and that is why I'm not bringing up the details. Because others have brought them up and you just have to have details - I'll comment on a few. BUT THE DETAILS DON'T MATTER.
We all make mistakes Shawn and I'm talking about a concept. The concept is making this site comfortable for as many conservatives as possible. I would never expect you or any of the liberals to be on board with that concept.
I have to go to work
May 19, 2008 - 10:42 ET by shawn228So I don't have time to comment on everything. Just very quickly. Shawn cares Shawn only? I pushed you under the bus?
I wanted to clear the air about few of your statements, and I am attacking you?
Sigh...i'll catch up to you later.
Have a nice day
you wanted it to be personal Shawn
May 19, 2008 - 12:56 ET by Dee Bunkso I gave you personal. You can compare me to the office worker you don't like, but I can't explain how you are like the office worker I don't like?
You and your double standards. Geesh!
Dee...Maybe I'm being blind
May 18, 2008 - 18:59 ET by JerDee...Maybe I'm being blind to certain situations which you suggest exist or have occurred at this site. But I can assure you that I'm not intentionally ignoring them, and I certainly do not try to cause or encourage them.
I am really not aware of Shawn, or Bal, or Cleverpig or Jason or me engaging in deliberately hostile or any other inappropriate conduct. That's not to say we are all infallible and never utter a word we wished we hadn't, but I think those cases are by far the exception and not the rule.
Wouldn't you generally agree with my comment the other day that the most in-your-face of the regular or semi-regular liberal posters in the past several months were Leon and ProfessorTruth? [Leon was definitely Warner's biggest nemesis.] They are gone...banned! Who among us have been attacking you, or throwing you under the bus, or ganging up on new members, or trying to divide the regular conservative posters here? I just don't see it. But, if you can show me where and how it's happening, then I think it can be properly addressed.
Look at the Global Warming thread and the polar bear discussion which was blogged May 14. Clever Pig is outnumbered about 15-1 and is called a "propagandist and a fool", a "liar", "mentally dysfunctional", "loony toons", an "aggravating twit" and accused of "talking out her ass". CP never loses her cool, never engages in name-calling. Can you show me an example of the reverse?
I like to laugh, too. And I like people who like to laugh. I'm sure we would like each other if we ever met. But typing opposing views on a computer keyboard and posting them on a political website can easily lead to false impressions about the persons expressing those views.
Jer
Jer - my point is I can give you much worse examples
May 18, 2008 - 20:49 ET by Dee Bunkby liberals on other sites and on Newsbusted (which is affiliated).
You guys act the way you do because you are not venting in frustration that your points are not given a voice. You are here trying to change our minds and make us see things your way like the rest of your so called civilized world (that we find to be far from civilized). That is fine - I have no problems with you arguing your points. Just don't think you can run around here telling conservatives what is appropriate especially when you are over on Newsbusted doing the same to your political types.
Those people on Newsbusted are venting too and it's much much worse than anything anyone here does. When Leon was here I didn't see you guys coming down on him that often and that's fine. Just don't act all high and mighty about style and tactics when those of us here are at a distinct disadvantage in getting our ideas heard.
We are always going to get frustrated with liberals who won't listen to us.
I'm not advocating name calling and being hostile, I'm just saying it's part of the picture and we don't need to be lectured by liberals.
One of the main things that has bugged me recently, is people jumping on others for generalizing about liberals. As I stated above, when we do it, it's referring to the liberal establishment. You guys generalize and stereo type us based on what individual peoples personal opinions are even when you know we don't all share them and our leadership doesn't either.
Question: You're at a
May 18, 2008 - 21:17 ET by balboaQuestion: You're at a disadvantage on this site?
Bal
May 18, 2008 - 21:40 ET by botgin the MSM and the Academy in general
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
Dee...Okay, I was confused
May 18, 2008 - 21:26 ET by JerDee...Okay, I was confused about Newsbusted. I thought you were referring to a liberal website by that name which spoofed this site. I knew about the NewsBusted video on this site, but I couldn't figure out what your complaint was, because, to be honest, I think I've only watched one time--the first episode. Presumably there are critical comments from liberals posted after the episodes. I can assure you...I've never seen a single comment pro or con, much less posted one.
The problem I have with generalizations is that it is so easy not to generalize. I have posted hundreds of times over the past year, but I don't believe I have ever made a negative generalization about the Republican party or conservatives. If I have it was unintentional.
Why not say "liberal establishment", or a "substantial number of Democrats", or "some on the left", "most on the left", "party leaders", "the center of gravity", "the prevailing ideology or view of the left"....there are scores of ways to avoid the broad brush.
But, in truth, I don't mind some generalizations about liberals--even negative ones. What I do object to are sweeping characterizations such as "Democrats are racists", "Democrats hate their country", and offensive slurs like "you liberals are maggots".
But, I am quite aware that this is a conservative site, and I expect a lot of liberal bashing. Let me add that my expectations have been met and then some. But I think overall we small band of dissenters are pretty tolerant of it.
Jer
Jer
May 18, 2008 - 21:41 ET by botgread the comments on You Tube
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
botg...is it disgusting
May 18, 2008 - 21:52 ET by Jerbotg...is it disgusting filth from liberal morons? If so, no thanks, I've seen enough. You should read the disgusting filth that was emailed to DailyKos after O'Reilly attacked Kos for about the 50th time.
All of it makes me sick...I don't care who says it. It's why I cut A. Whitney Brown a new tailhole with one of the two or three comments I've ever posted at dKos.
Jer
Jer... Where are all the
May 18, 2008 - 22:07 ET by Clear thinkerJer...
Where are all the crude comments about Sen Ted Kennedy here at NB?
If the same thing happened to a Republican Senator you would see liberals laughing and hoping to wash their hands in his/her blood.
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear...there were several
May 18, 2008 - 22:14 ET by JerClear...there were several that were crude, and many negative, but only two or three that I recall actually wishing him dead. Overall, I was impressed with the tastefulness.
Jer
Just to clarify, the emails
May 18, 2008 - 22:17 ET by JerJust to clarify, the emails were from Kos-hating conservatives who were following up on BOR's latest diatribe.
Jer
}}---> Bill Diatribed?
May 18, 2008 - 23:51 ET by Cool ArrowWhich diatribe was that. I honestly haven't seen him pull one of those in recent days.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool...I didn't see this
May 19, 2008 - 16:00 ET by JerCool...I didn't see this latest BOR attack on DailyKos [although I have witnessed several in the past], but it apparently involved O'Reilly's comparison of Markous (sp.?) to David Duke. Not knowing how animated O'Reilly may or may not have been, "diatribe" may not have been the best description for me to use.
On the other hand, "diatribe" would be too mild in describing the content of the e-mails.
Jer
attacking new members
May 19, 2008 - 00:41 ET by candanceThe best I can reckon, Dee's remark about jumping on new members came from a discussion we had the other day on a thread about the military.
Syrius was discussing the war and made a snide remark to someone. All the sudden this guy I'd never seen before pops in just to say "Hey Syrius, you're an ---hole and I don't care if that gets me banned." I posted a reply saying that I agreed with his sentiment but it wasn't polite to use vulgar language.
Dee called me the PC police and insinuated that I was scaring people away. Then two or three other people gave the newbie big high fives for cussing at Syrius.
I suspect that was the main reason Dee called Bal the exact same word a few hours later on that other thread.
Maybe it's just me, but I can't see "those people do it worse" as justification for rude behavior. We will all be judged for our own words which will not be held to the standard of how bad somebody else is. Profanity and name calling are never justified because it cheapens our arguments and concedes moral high ground.
If people want to come here to blow off steam that's fine. That new guy didn't get banned or disciplined in any way - it was a simple reminder to watch the language. And for all the people on NB who say they're opposed to name calling and vulgar speech, it somehow ends up being defended quite often.
Oh yeah, I remember that whole "you liberal maggots" tirade too. Several people on here defended that and then told the libs to "let it go" when they got their feelings hurt. Better than HuffPo indeed.
No Candance - I didn't call you the PC police you didn't even
May 19, 2008 - 00:59 ET by Dee Bunkcomment about the guys language. Someone else did. I don't have time to go into it more now
Dee
May 19, 2008 - 10:39 ET by shawn228Since, you don't like it when I link something you said , I will try to do it less.
I'm allowed to link to something Candance said right? She clearly commented about the person language.
wow
May 19, 2008 - 10:58 ET by candanceMaybe you should go back and read that thread again. I asked him to watch his language, he said he didn't have to because Syrius was Leon, and you explained that if I had been on NB as long as you I'd recognize Leon/Hater. Does that ring any bells?
Your exact quote on the subject was We are losing lots of people because of the PC police and I'm sick of it.
I just did go back and read it - maybe you and Shawn should
May 19, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Dee BunkMy comments about PC police are above yours. They weren't directed at you and I had not even seen your comment when I posted. Many of us (including myself) have been part of the PC police at different times. I'm trying to point out that placating our liberal posters to the point of excluding and making conservatives feel uncomfortable is not good for this site.
With the call center analogy, IF some of us regulars can be seen as employees (volunteers), when a complaint about liberals comes in, then it's not our job to attack people for being inappropriate. It's our job to make them satisfied customers who want to return. People have had bad service from the media and liberals and they want to complain about it. Sometimes they are going to get carried away. They deserve to be upset. They are called racists, biggots, warmongers, illiterates, rednecks, haters of poor people and lots of other inexcusable things. Those things in and of themselves are enough to drive people crazy. When a veteran who has had to risk his life serving this country has to come on here and read someone saying "if you come back" to another soldier and he is so angry that he posts for the very first time (despite being here for a long time) and calls that guy and A-hole then who the hell are we to condemn him for it?
If you will go back in both of the threads that you mentioned, In both cases the people apologized to me for the use of their language. I didn't agree with their language but I understood and didn't condemn them for using it. If after a person has been understood by conservatives, they still continue on some wild profanity filled rant (which neither of these two cases even came close to) then that is different.
Everyone here is certainly allowed to say and do anything they want. I'm just explaining my philosophy so that people can see where I'm coming from. If you don't agree with it, that's fine. If you want to take it personal despite my telling you that it's not, then there is nothing more I can do. As I said many times. I'm not the owner of this site, I don't make the rules, I'm no one's boss.
um...okay...
May 19, 2008 - 13:37 ET by candanceI don't understand what you're trying to do here. You went off on Bal and Jer for personal attacks and dumping on conservatives, but when they asked for proof you said they were trying to make it personal. (?)
My post to Sesame was up there for a full 30 minutes before you replied with your PC remark, and up until that time the only other complaint had been a comment in passing about ad hominem attacks that had nothing to do with profanity. You then said to me, I have nothing against you at all Candance. I just disagree with jumping on new conservatives for minor infractions here.
Your thesis seems to be that conservatives deserve the right to cuss out liberals because the world is stacked against them.
When I see a "newbie" use profanity I want to nip it in the bud instead of giving him the impression profanity is okay. Folks like you say "we don't like profanity" with a wink that it will be defended as long as they direct it toward the right person.
PS Sesame didn't apologize to you for his profane remark. He thanked you for the cover and said he wouldn't cuss anymore until the next time Syrius got on his nerves.
you are right Candance
May 19, 2008 - 14:40 ET by Dee Bunkyou don't understand me or what I'm trying to do at all so carry on the way you do. There is nothing wrong with it.
Despite my telling you that I didn't read your comment and my PC comment was not directed directly at you (it was directed at everyone ) you seem to think you can prove me a liar by saying that your comment was up for a full 30 minutes? You think that the fact that it was up there proves I read it?
Yeah - I'm so shy and timid that I can't tell you when I'm purposefully directing something at you. You don't know me at all. Once again - it has nothing to do with the point of my argument because I could have just as easily said it to you. So feel free to assume I'm lying with everything I say. That's just how you see me - fine.
You want to nip what you feel to be inappropriate language (not just profanity) in the bud. Go ahead. I disagree. I understand why people become frustrated to the point of using it and as long as they don't carry on excessive long rants filled with it then I'll stick up for them. I hope a few others here will too. If not, Oh well. It's not going to stop me.
okay
May 19, 2008 - 14:57 ET by candanceas long as they don't carry on excessive long rants filled with it then I'll stick up for them
Translation: as long as we're this much >< nicer than HuffPo we can claim the moral high ground.
Most definitely Candance
May 19, 2008 - 15:01 ET by Dee Bunkyou got that right. It seems to be the only thing I've said that you have interpreted correctly.
candance ;-)
May 19, 2008 - 22:10 ET by shawn228Debating just got a lot easier for me. I learned from Dee, in her own words. Details don't matter. its the concept that counts.
I can make pretty much accusation I want about the Bush adminstration and back up the msm, because I don't have to be bothered with petty facts and details.
Surprised she would bring herself down to a level about a cheap shot by bringing up a time she defended me once with cool arrow. Cool arrow once said a mean comment to me. "I will not link it because it is water under the bridge and imo CA and I have mutual respect for each other" Dee defended me and I thanked her for it twice. Now she is saying she regrets it, because I have become obnoxious. I give as good as I get, and so far she has set the tone.
Watch it candance.
May 19, 2008 - 01:00 ET by shawn228You have to heed Dee's warning.
"I think NB should be first and foremost concerned with making it a good
place for conservatives of all stripes. Rallying with liberals against
a conservative won't do anything to accomplish that"
I never want to assume anything, but what I am making out of statement is, that you should be concerned about making other conservatives confortable, regardless of who is wrong and who is right.
I love the mods on Newsbusters, because they run this site the way they want and want to keep it overall fair. Dee is crying fowl all of a sudden and saying we liberals have a new sense of power. Hey if being treated fairly is power. Then power me up :-)
}}---> Shawn
May 19, 2008 - 01:07 ET by Cool ArrowIn what venue is partnering with Liberals a good thing?
Is it like when we all agree people need healthcare? OK, we're all in agreement so far.
Or is it when we have our healthcare money stolen from us to support the gravy suckers of the country?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool arrow
May 19, 2008 - 01:13 ET by shawn228We are not talking politics in the government right now, we are talking about the politics of Newsbusters.
People can complain and vent all they want. Do you remember that thread where futbalisgreat was saying we have no honor because we would not turn in a family member even if he was a pediphile?
I take issue with things like that, I also don't like it when someone throws false accusations without backing it up in the least.
I have never attacked Dee, I would not throw her under a bus, and she also implied we were a bunch of phoney people as well.
My point complain all you want, but if you want to make a blanket statement and also throw and accusation, you better be able to back it up.
}}---> Understood, Shawn
May 19, 2008 - 01:24 ET by Cool ArrowAnd I was happy to see you join the Conservative side against futbol's belief.
You find the same mindset in the extremely liberal inner city with the "No Snitch" law of the neighborhood.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Exactly Cool! I'm talking about some type of code
May 19, 2008 - 10:37 ET by Dee Bunkthat we conservatives should have because we are all in this together. The liberals who come here are not hurt by the media bias and the constant baseless attacks by their leaders on us.
And this isn't about blaming people because as you well know, I'm guilty too (and so are you). I unfairly judged you before I knew you or Shawn very well. I used to err on the side of sticking up for the poor disadvantaged liberals. I'm not making that mistake anymore. They have become obnoxious and could care less about the main thing we all care about.
The main thing we all care about is the complete unfair treatment that conservatives get in the media. Whether we like McCain (almost no one) or hate him too much to vote for him (half of us) or strongly dislike him but may still vote for him (the other half), we are all in this situation because of an extremely bias media. It's a rotten horrible stinkin situation and we are allowed to vent - here of all places. I'm not putting up with self righteous indignation from liberals who are thrilled with the situation and could care little about how it came about.
My double standards Dee??
May 19, 2008 - 21:59 ET by shawn228First I was just questioning your comment about shawn cares about shawn only. I have also said, its always your right to let off steam, just back it up if you launch an accusation.
I guess you perceive my co-worker comparision a little harsh. Ok fair enought, Maybe I could have phrased it a little better. I also said i'm sure it was not true before I did it.
As far as your office comparision about me being nitpicky and pointing out everyones mistakes at work, you are totally wrong about that. I have two co-workers that I think of as family, both are very bright and can do their job well. I was responsible for much of their training, and was more concerned about them getting good at their job, than my own job security.
However, if anyone at my work ever accussed me of being bias, being phoney or having an agenda, you better believe I would confront them about it.
I was taking your attitude and wondering how you or anyone else can incorporate it, in a real life atmosphere.
Ok, let me know If I am some twisting your words.
"Details don't matter "
I"ts the concept that matters."
So it was alright for the Stephen King fans to critisize Noel? I guess the petty details about Stephen Kings statements don't matter, because it is their concept that is important.
As far as my double standands, you still did not answer my question about me using the scoreboard on you. I'm sure you would sure find it humorous huh?
I waited a while and cooled off before I responded to your
May 20, 2008 - 17:40 ET by Dee Bunknonsense. There have been more than enough details brought up by others on this very thread that support what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about so quit playing dumb. The more specific I get the uglier it will get and you know it. I can promise you this, If I ever do bring up details they will be specifically about you and only you. There will be no coming back from it. It's almost to that point right now.
I've told you more than once that I have a double standard and what that double standard is. You are the one who can't admit your double standards.
Only a complete moron would extrapolate a meaning of details don't matter ever