If for no other reason....please, vote. And let Barry & Hillary land in the dustbin of history....where they belong. (Full account at Blackfive).
This is from someone who is there...taking care of all those minor details of maintaining our freedoms for us. Bless this man:
While the American media strives daily to erase the memory of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 and paint this war as an unjust occupation of a sovereign nation men like Mike and Nate are out here hunting down and destroying the enemies of the very freedom that allows our media to try and discredit us. Terrorism is real, evil is real, this war is real and real men and women are in this fight because righteousness and freedom are worth fighting for.
If you don't support this war I'm calling you out. I've had enough of people sitting in their living rooms watching the lying media and jumping on the bandwagon against this war. Don't ever say to me, "I support the troops, but not the war." You might as well be telling me that I'm committing a crime. You are in effect saying that my cause is unjust and everything I believe in is a lie. I have held my tongue in the past, but I will never allow you to have it both ways again. You cannot support me if you do not support this war. I am this war. It embodies everything that I believe in. If you believe that what we are doing here is wrong then you are in effect supporting the evil we seek destroy. If you believe I'm wrong for trying to stop evil people from taking more innocent lives then I fear there is no hope for you.
The above was written as a tribute to two SEALS who lost their lives fighting for our way of life. Outstanding young men. I cry for them and thank them and their families for what they have given to us.
We have far more to lose than to gain by "voting our principles" and staying home. We would lose what these young men and women have given to us....our future.
Don't get me wrong...I am more than a tad displeased with John McCain. But the alternative is far, far worse.
So....search your conservative heart. Decide.



















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In 1975 I was a mere boy of eleven years of age.
February 10, 2008 - 03:24 ET by R D HelmI didn't know squat about the world at that time, only that we were at war with a country called North Vietnam. I didn't understand the politics behind it all, nor who had started it, nor did I know the names of the wounded soldiers I saw being evacuated by helicopter every evening on TV. I just remember my mom crying a lot. It wasn't until a few years later that I learned that several of her childhood friends had been killed in Vietnam.
At that time, my narrow little world was filled with GI Joes, little plastic green army men, cap guns, BB guns, building plastic models of cars and airplanes, and enough Tonka toys sitting about to excavate half the backyards in the neighborhood. I really had no interest in anything else. For all I knew, girls still had cooties, and I was going to live on macaroni and cheese and hot dogs for the rest of my life. I was also pretty sure that someday I was going to have to go off to war. After all, we had been at war as far back as I could remember. To me, it was just the way the world was.
I remember sitting in the family den one evening, along with my parents, watching the helicopters taking off from the roof of what I later learned was the U.S. Embassy building in some place called Saigon. My mom was in tears, and my father, a former Marine who had participated in the Korean War, was livid. I really did not understand it all, as it really made no sense to me then. All I really knew at the time was that we had just "lost" a war. Well, that is what everybody was saying, anyway.
In the years since, I have studied much about the history of this country, from the Revolutionary War all the way to the present day. WW II is the one I grew up reading the most about, which still holds true to this day. Up until Vietnam, the only war "we" had ever lost was the Civil War, or so my relatives always said.
I remember at a certain point a few years later, when I was in my early teens, I discovered that we didn't actually lose in Vietnam, we up and quit. I remember reading how many American soldiers had died, only to see us give up. I read about Tet and everything that had happened afterwards.
Most every male in my family had been a soldier at one time or other. Many had lost friends in Vietnam. I remember thinking what a waste it was for so many of our guys to die and then we just pack up and leave before it was finished. In my reading, I learned that Tet was a strategic disaster for the North Vietnamese. They had, it was said, "blown their whole wad" in that attack, yet, with victory in sight, we still quit.
I also read about the millions slaughtered after we had left the region, and learned about some clown named Pol Pot. I was appalled at the things I was reading. I had a model collection of just about every WW II fighter there was. We didn't lose wars. I thought back to those images of the helicopters lifting off the roof of the embassy, many of those same aircraft being pushed over the sides of carriers, and all those poor souls gathered at the locked embassy gates, most of whom were destined to live in utter slavery. I felt truly humiliated.
There are four children in my family ranging in age from six to eleven. I don't want those kids to see us do the same thing we did in Vietnam again in Iraq. Many innocent people would die as a result. We are too close to finishing it to just up and quit. Vietnam was not a direct threat to us, but if we quit in this fight, as some would have us do, those four children are going to grow up in a very different world than I did.
I am of the belief that Hillary Clinton, despite the fact that I despise this woman in ways that you would not believe, would not be stupid enough to order our troops out of Iraq, as she is smart enough to realize the consequences of doing so. For all her blustering to the contrary, if elected, she is going to go through that first national security briefing. Whether she would be willing to admit it or not, it will have an impact. Besides, she is not about to purchase the tag of "defeat" for her party, no matter how badly she may want to leave.
I cannot say the same for Barack Hussein Obama. Based on his public comments to date, if elected, he apparently intends to surrender to Osama at the first opportunity. I do not believe he is of sufficient intelligence to be swayed by the national security briefings. In a word, he is a fool. A very dangerous fool.
What is more, I am now of the opinion that he stands a better than even chance at being the presidential nominee for the Democrat Party. I had long thought that the Clintonista "machine" was going to take this guy down at some point. However, with each passing day, this appears to be less and less likely. If Barack Hussein Obama is, in fact, the democrat nominee, I may very well have to reconsider my decision to not vote for John McCain under any circumstances.
I could not bare to see us quit another war once again, with victory literally in sight. We owe those who have given their lives in Iraq far, far more than that. It would be a horrible tragedy if, for a second time in 33 years, we cut and run, which would mean many American soldiers will have died in vain once again.
What is more, I would hate for the four children in my family to see it, too.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
RDH
February 10, 2008 - 03:34 ET by shawn228This is going to sound John Kerryish RDH. I support the war, we should stay until the job is done and support our troops all the way.
At the same time I am not convinced Invading it was the right thing to do. I'm sure someone will refer me to one of FreeStinkers threads
Did I read every single link on of the lthread that Free Stinker had done. No I did not click on every single one, but close to it. Sadaam was at least 10 yrs away from a nuclear bomb and even "Bush and Rumseld, said it was faulty intelligence. These are hard facts. I mean Free Stinker feels for certain that a terrorist nucleaur bomb would have went off by now. He is basing this on his links instead of cold hard facts like the President acknowledging they did have the weapons we were looking for.
Yes Iraqis have a right to vote and Sadamm and his sons are gone. But at what cost? A high dollar and instability of the middle east has resulted in 100 dollars a barrel. Maybe a cost of over a trillian dollors after its all over. People say the war has nothing do with it, but I am convinced if we did not have so many people in Iraq, we might not have taken 5 days to get water to the Superdome.
I am glad we are winning and we should keep up the fight. There is way too much invested right now to pull out.
Nobody messes with Superman
shawn,
February 11, 2008 - 01:00 ET by R D HelmBelieve me, for every two reasons I can come up with for having gone into Iraq, I can come up with one and a half reasons to not have. I am not at all happy with the way this was carried out once Saddam was taken out. It should not have taken this long to clean up the mess.
However, having said that, and as a student of history, particularly in the military area, I also understand that plans for actions such as these go out the window right after the first shot is fired, as any action more complex than operating a can opener is going to go wrong, and go wrong alot. It is impossible to accurately predict the actions of an adversary in any combat situation. Often, the other side just doesn't cooperate.
I tend to see both Iraq and Afghanistan as but two small battles in a much larger war. I equate them with being the 21st century equivalent to our having invaded North Africa and Sicily in WW II. Neither of those places ever did anything to us directly, but we went there anyway, because that was where the Germans were.
If we quit now, those who wish us harm will be emboldened still further. What is worse, our allies in this world will never trust us again. We cannot afford to have this happen. The West overall is losing the war against the Islamo-supremecists, as in the last 20 years or so, they have managed to re-take the areas they were driven from in the middle ages. This is not a good thing.
When we do leave Iraq, and if that country's government then fails to control the situation, then we shall know that our tactics must change next time around.
And there will be a next time. There always is.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
The only way I'll vote for
February 11, 2008 - 16:45 ET by liberal_bug_zapperThe only way I'll vote for McCain is if he has Ron Paul as his running mate. Ron Paul has every one of my concerns met on the domestic front, and McCain meets my Protect the Country at all costs need.
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lbz... I don't think you
February 11, 2008 - 16:47 ET by Clear thinkerlbz...
I don't think you have to worry about that, he will not win the general election.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Vote for the Revolution
February 11, 2008 - 16:52 ET by JayTeeFrom a Black activists, from the 60's, brought up to date for the Election .since we have a Black running for president whose been slapped by the Left/Dems.. This is pre-RAP, and is spoken as a Poet reading in a sing song voice, acapelo (sp?)
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
The revolution will not be televised
You will not be able to stay home, VOTER.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and Rush out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on B. Hussein and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Hillary
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions
The revolution will not show you pictures of Saddam
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Bagdad
Jack, Osama Bin Hiding, and Gen. Pervez Musharraf
against un-armed Iraqi Citizens
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Kennedy Award Theatre and will not star Martin
Sheen and Steve McQueen or Sponge Bob Square Pants.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the Hannitized.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, VOTER.
There will be no pictures of you and Willie Boy
pushing that shopping cart filled with Pant Suits
Trying to Shove Hsu into a Stolen Ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts confirming Poll numbers.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no pictures of Bill Clinton shooting down
Obama in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Bill Clinton shooting down
Obama in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Hillary Clinton being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new message.
There will be no slow motion or still life of George
Stephanopolis strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.
MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and Rosie
O’DONNEL will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Bill finally gets down with
Katie Couric on Search for Tomorrow because Republicans
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of heavily armed Marines
liberationists and Ollie North killing Insurgents.
The theme song will not be written by Al Gore,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Rush Limbaugh, Code
Pink, Bobby Brown, Ono Lennon, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be right back
after a message about a Black President or a White President.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
Congress, a tiger in your VP Slot, or the giant Idiot in your Senate.
The revolution will not go better with Pepsi.
The revolution will not fight the institutional racism that cause bad elections.
The revolution will put a Fence on the Mexican Border.
The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run Voters;
The revolution will be live.
VOTE Republican and Win.
Sorry, Blonde, but I will
February 11, 2008 - 20:56 ET by NL207Sorry, Blonde, but I will not vote for John McCain. If there is no one I like on the Presidential line, I won't vote on that line at all.
NL207
February 11, 2008 - 21:23 ET by shawn228I saw your comment to Noel this morning NL. I thought it was kind of harsh. He said something like McCain is not as Liberal as Hillary or Obama. You said his opinion was absurd. Even though I am still making up my mind on who to vote for, I would disagree with your assessment.
Hillary or Obama would be way more to the left than McCain.
Nobody messes with Superman
You do not see the
February 11, 2008 - 23:21 ET by NL207You do not see the absurdity?
Bad is Bad, regardless whether we are talking about leadership or pies. Arguing that strychnine is better than cyanide because it is less toxic does not wipe away its bad effect. As soon as we begin dealing with relative measures of virtue, we are in the same game as the moral relativists are.
Look at the colossally bad things that RINOs can and will do. SCOTUS is a prime example. George Bush has caused two Judges to hang on by a death grip: Stevens and Ginsburg. Both want to retire but know Bush will appoint a strict constructionist if they do. These two are hanging on for the next President in hopes a liberal will take office. It is a near certainty the next President will appoint TWO judges in the 2009-2013 term. Bush and Clinton appointed two each over 8 years. What will a RINO do? He will appoint a judge like David Souter or John Paul Stevens. I'd like to see another Scalia or Clarence Thomas. How are Souter and Stevens any improvement over Breyer and Ginsburg? They are not.
NL207
February 11, 2008 - 23:34 ET by shawn228I believe McCain will nominate someone much less liberal than Clinton. Hindsight is 20/20 and we can speculate all we want, but says he will appoint conservative judges.
I believe HRC will bring back partial birth abortion, free medical to illegal aliens, maybe the fairness doctrine. Instead of doing whatever is necessary to get information from terrorist, I believe any democrat will believe in coddling terrorist and increasing affirmitive action..
I cannot see Mccain approving of any of these measures
Nobody messes with Superman
McCain is a bird of a
February 11, 2008 - 23:38 ET by NL207McCain is a bird of a feather with folks like Arlen Specter. Stevens and Souter, or even Kennedy, are McCain's kind of guys. I think he would appoint someone just like those three, and as I observed before, they are no better than Breyer and Ginsburg.
nl
February 12, 2008 - 10:02 ET by shawn228Too soon to predict NL. What about the the other issues I brought up. fairness doctrine, partial birth abortion and affirmitive action, will McCain be as far left on those issues?
Nobody messes with Superman
hi shawn
February 12, 2008 - 20:56 ET byof course McCain is better on many issues than Hillary or Obama.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg
February 12, 2008 - 20:58 ET by shawn228Which is exactly why I feel voting for McCain is pretty much a no brainer for conservatives.
Nobody messes with Superman
why? no doubt eating dirt
February 12, 2008 - 21:04 ET bywhy? no doubt eating dirt is better than eating chicken droppings, but it doesn't mean you should!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg
February 12, 2008 - 21:12 ET by shawn228I would not use such an extreme comparision. Maybe more like eating KFC with and without skin..lol
Seriously, I cannot imagine McCain bringing in the fairness doctrine or supporting affirmitive action. These two subjects alone are night and day with what Hilary or Obama offer
Nobody messes with Superman
McCain-FeingoldMcCain-Kenned
February 12, 2008 - 21:41 ET byMcCain-Feingold
McCain-Kennedy
his votes against Ws tax cuts
his vote against drilling ANWR
his closing Gitmo (if elected)
these are not the fruits of a conservative so do we take four years of H or O in the hope that the Repubs learn and nominate a conservative next time??
Well botg
February 12, 2008 - 21:46 ET by shawn228He like Arnold is willing to compromise and sometimes reach across the isle. You did not answer my questions on affirmitve action and the fairness doctrine. I like tax cuts as much as the next person, but i'm not so sure they are a good idea in a time of war. The answer is not to just print more money.
Nobody messes with Superman
He like Arnold is willing
February 12, 2008 - 21:54 ET by motherbeltHe like Arnold is willing to compromise and sometimes reach across the isle
Right, and SCOTUS nominations is NOT the time to do that!!
Can't you just imagine him conferring with Pat Leahy and Chuck Schumer on a list of "confirmable" or "consensus" candidates?
That doesn't scare the bejabbers out of you?
absolutely
February 12, 2008 - 22:03 ET byabsolutely
Bruce
February 12, 2008 - 21:47 ET by BlondeThe thought of 4 years of either Shrillary (I've finally decided she is soooo shrill she deserves that nic) or B. Hussein is just too much for me to ponder.
Barack is, as I type, giving his winner's speech. "Change, change, change".....que'lle crap.
I, for one, cannot sit idly by and allow either one of these fakirs to ascend to the most powerful position in the world.
As much as I dislike McCain, I'll go there. I won't like it, but I WILL vote for him. The alternative is just too awful to contemplate.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, Noel had the right
February 12, 2008 - 21:58 ET by motherbeltBlonde, Noel had the right idea the other day. We need to go to the polls and at least elect Republicans to Congress and the Senate.
Re SCOTUS judges, he made the point that if a President McCain figured he could get constructionist judges confirmed by a Republican senate, he would nominate constructionists. Failing that, he would have to craft a "consensus" on candidates acceptable to the Libs.
Which would mean giving Schumer and Leahy way too much say.
B
February 12, 2008 - 22:09 ET bymaybe some BO 'chemotherapy' is just the cure for this cancer of RINOs?? I don't like it either and wish someone could post something on my forum to make me be able to vote McCain without wretching.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Well, B....
February 12, 2008 - 22:13 ET by BlondeIt's a long time until November. And I think our (R) friends in the Potomac primary sent a nice, loud message to McCain tonite.
PopTech's idea (contract with conservatives) is kind of attractive, actually.
So we shall see....but B. Hussein scares me to death....I just heard a live speech....he has lifted Hillary's line about "taking those profits" from the oil companies.....they're all alike.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, here....we all feel strongly about our votes.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
McCain won DC
February 12, 2008 - 22:20 ET byetcetera and anon
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
NL, I understand
February 11, 2008 - 22:31 ET by BlondeI am most displeased with McCain as the (R) nominee, but I think the alternative is too bitter to swallow.
If we stay home in a fit of pique, we deserve what we will surely get....socialism, higher taxes, and a defanged military.
Which is why I am advocating for a vote for (gulp) McCain. We CANNOT betray our military, yet again.....and staying home, or voting for Barry or Hil is the same bloody thing.
It's taken me a while to distill these thoughts, too. I'm still not happy with my position...but it's the only one I can logically take. Without betraying the faith of those who are defending us. I'm sorry, but that is the truth of the matter as I see it.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Hi Blonde... No matter
February 11, 2008 - 22:55 ET by Clear thinkerHi Blonde...
No matter who wins the WH nobody is going to pull our troops out anytime soon. Yes, I know what some of the candidates have said, but once they step into the shoes of CIC, reality of the situation will hit them and they will NOT pull our military out of Iraq.
My other thought is... I would much rather have a Dem screw up our country for the next 4 years than to have it blamed on a Republican. Wouldn't you?
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
No Clear
February 11, 2008 - 23:01 ET by BlondeSignificantly not.
As much as I dislike John McCain....I don't believe he'd purposefully screw it up.
As Barry & Hil most assuredly would do.
Trust me, I've given it ALOT of thought. As much as I dislike McAmnesty....I think he understands waht is at stake....and will do what is necessary to not only gain our support, but keep it once he has it. Constitutional appointments, strong national defense, make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
No chance in HELL that Osama or Hill get these things....so, as much as I dislike it....I will vote for McCain. Sadly. But I'll do it.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Chin up Blonde, it may not
February 11, 2008 - 23:04 ET by RESTLESS 1Chin up Blonde, it may not be so bad, but I will want to see who the running mate is before I become too optimistic.
Thanks, Restless
February 11, 2008 - 23:10 ET by BlondeI will NEVER become optomistic again....trust me on this.
But I shall always be a pragmatist. Alas...
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
clear
February 11, 2008 - 23:05 ET byi have no interest in 'protecting' the republican party. i am interested in conservatives getting elected not party affiliation. Who cares about what party gets blamed?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
bruce...exactly !!!
February 12, 2008 - 09:06 ET by LionKingWe need to throw down the party labels and focus on principles. Do not stay away because you do not like the Republican candidate. Congress needs conservatives...vote them in.
For Prez, I am probably voting Constitution Party. If Republicans want to be relevant, they need to return to TRUE conservatism...not the brand the Bush is trying to sell.
I agree with you about the
February 11, 2008 - 23:24 ET by NL207I agree with you about the issues, but our experience with the RINOs says they will do no differently on these issues than will Obama or Clinton or any other Democrat.
The other very great disservice the RINO performs is to muddy the distinction between Liberal and Conservative. The RINO plays into the hands of the MSM, and is a great part of the reason why the common man sees little or no difference between the parties. Without the RINO, the Dems are seen for what they really are.
NL
February 11, 2008 - 22:52 ET byi am as yet undecided ---- McCain or Constitution Party. Please do not not-vote at all for POTUS. At the very least let your vote be recorded as a conservative vote that the republicans need to take into consideration. If you don't vote you don't even send a message. Plus it lowers the percentage that the dems get in considering 'mandate' or not.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
I haven't even looked at the
February 11, 2008 - 23:29 ET by NL207I haven't even looked at the third parties yet. I will wait to see if they offer someone I think is sound. Ron Paul I could vote for. At least he has sound domestic and economic policy ideas. I like Alan Keyes, too. Somebody mentioned him elsewhere on this thread. Fred Thompson I could have supported as well. And I would surely vote for George Allen if he would run.
VOTE!
February 11, 2008 - 22:42 ET by Free StinkerThat's right B!
We need to get out and vote. Even thought I won't vote for McCain, my House Rep is a reliable Conservative and needs my vote!
Everyone - if you have a Conservative Rep or Senator, they need your vote, now more than ever! Don't punish them for McAmnesty! Write in Fred for Pres, but give any Conservatives your vote.
Newsbusters. Log on and find out What the heck is so yummy over here!
Free... Amen! And amen
February 11, 2008 - 22:50 ET by Clear thinkerFree...
Amen!
And amen again!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Precisely, Free
February 11, 2008 - 22:50 ET by BlondeParticularly if you have a vote left in the primaries!
My vote was swallowed up in Florida....but the people of Kansas and Washington sent McAmnesty a succinct message, didn't they? Shape up or ship the hell out!
But when we get to the GE....regardless of who the (R) candidate is....staying at home, or voting for the (I can't even imagine it) dem....is sacriledge (sorry, sp).
Barry Obama....has anyone seen the "poll guy" on Fox?...when he asks what Obama has accomplished? It's hillarious....um, he is the only black senator in the Senate....um, he's the only minority running for president, um, he's like totally cool, um, like he's for HOPE, HOPE, HOPE.
Empty suit.
VOTE.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Conservatives have someone to vote for
March 7, 2008 - 20:52 ET by Conservative VoiceHeard him on Glenn Beck today
http://www.rootforam...
He sounds like a solid conservative running on the libertarian ticket. Lets create some noise guys.
CV... Was this in Glenn
March 7, 2008 - 20:58 ET by bigtimerCV...
Was this in Glenn Beck's CNN show or radio, I can catch it again later too if it is on CNN.
Very interested from what I read on your link and curious too.
Thanks for the link.
his radio program here is
March 7, 2008 - 21:00 ET by Conservative Voicehis radio program
here is the transcript
http://www.glennbeck...
CV... Thank you kind
March 7, 2008 - 21:04 ET by bigtimerCV...
Thank you kind sir.
Saved and will catch up on this week-end...hopefully, nevertheless I am interested in this guy.