I read American Thinker everyday, and I am a big fan of Rick Moran's work, but today's reprint of a pretty weak smear of Ron Paul has crossed the line between accurate reporting and willing mouthpiece:
The headline alone would do the editors of the New York Times proud:
Ron Paul's Neo-Nazi Supporters
Moran then quotes an article from the LoneStarTimes (a dubious source in itself) and gives prominence to this obvious smear. Of course, they only identify one "supporter" who did not list himself as a "neo-nazi" when he made the contribution.
We lose when we eat our own. How sad for Rick Moran and the AmericanThinker.
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cableguy... What do you
October 26, 2007 - 12:00 ET by Clear thinkercableguy...
What do you mean we are eating our own?
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So this guy Dan Block or
October 26, 2007 - 12:10 ET by bigtimerSo this guy Dan Block or Black donated 500.00 on the 30th of Sept.
Does it show the contributions from the looney leftists? He had a lot of on-line contributions before the 30th...it can't be all one person and group....or could it?
Either way...how does that phrase we eat our own apply to any of us here?
bt... If cableguy is saying
October 26, 2007 - 12:16 ET by Clear thinkerbt... If cableguy is saying that "we" meaning conservatives, eat our own then he is barking up the wrong tree. Especially here.
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Ct... You got that right!
October 26, 2007 - 12:21 ET by bigtimerCt...
You got that right!
They only go after Ron
October 26, 2007 - 12:51 ET by BinxlyThey only go after Ron because he isn't completely in line with the new conservative principle. I just think its funny, I used to think the left was so evil, poised and ready to throw anyone under the bus who broke rank on ANY issue and left the party line on anything, and now I see just how hypocritical my party can be, doing the same thing.
Example:
Lieberman is quite liberal in his politic, but mentions a stay in Iraq MAY be worthwhile, that MAYBE the war was just. What do the dems do?
Throw him under the bus then post him in black face on blog sites.
Now, Dr. Paul comes out and is against the war and for withdrawl, yet is still EXTREMELY conservative in most other areas (and yes, he IS a republican, like it or not) and what do we do?
Throw him under the bus and call his supporters neo-nazis and loonies, the same thing we bitch about libs calling us.
I think both parties need a time out, we've obviously become so rabidly polarized that if you don't like stark white or pitch black, better get used to tire marks on your face and getting intimate with the bottom of a bus.
Simply pathetic, chivalry isn't dead, objectivity is.
Binx... First of all, RP
October 26, 2007 - 13:02 ET by Clear thinkerBinx...
First of all, RP is not a Republican!
He may have signed up as an (R) but he only did it to get traction. He has always been, and always be, a Libertarian.
I'm going to guess here because I don't know all the details. He is looking good to the Neo-Nazis because he does not want us to get involved in any foreign wars. Either RP has stated it publicly, or the Nazis are assuming he includes staying away from Isreal. This would give them the idea that RP is anti-Jew.
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The "real" Republican?
October 26, 2007 - 13:35 ET by nkviking75I'm in Iowa, and I've heard Ron Paul's radio ad running here. He claims to be the real Republican in the race.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Yeah right. And I'm the
October 26, 2007 - 13:37 ET by Clear thinkerYeah right. And I'm the king of the world.
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Laugher
October 26, 2007 - 13:44 ET by nkviking75I forgot to mention Paul's ad was good for a chuckle the first time I heard it.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Paul and Israel
October 27, 2007 - 02:09 ET by UnsaneRon Paul looks good to the Neo-Nazis, whether he or his supporters like it or not, because from all appearances he hates Israel.
He has called the Israeli government the biggest lobby in Washington. (What he thinks of the AARP he does not of course say. But I should note that we can't get anything done in terms of Social Security reform...and Israel doesn't get everything it wants; for instance, Jonathan Pollard still sits in The Hole. Based on that alone, who is REALLY the biggest lobby?)
Not to mention that he has accused the Likud party of having undue influence in Washington. I wonder if Paul can explain to me then the unwavering support of Israel no matter who is in power there? When Nickel Grass was initiated to assist Israel in 1973, for example, Golda Meir was the PM...and she was a member (and IIRC, a founder) of the Labor party.
Like it or not, Paul worshippers, he has much explaining to do in that area.
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Binx... Ron Paul is a
October 26, 2007 - 13:07 ET by bigtimerBinx...
Ron Paul is a whiny Isolationist... I have watched him for years on the House floor, of course a lot of us are, no most of us here are Constitutionalists, but the majority of us are for fighting our enemy, especially since we were attacked on our soil...protecting our country and aiding others that have not had freedom, but Dictatorship by torturing killing evil fear-mongers.
He also used to be a Libertarian before he switched.
What we do about it is NOT vote for him...thats what.
BT, I admit, I like to hear
October 26, 2007 - 13:23 ET by BinxlyBT, I admit, I like to hear all approaches and ways to handle our current conflict, and while I am not 100% behind the idea of pulling out, I have heard, in depth, the idea behind his stance, and admittedly I'm torn. What I DO like is his track record, his ability to practice what he preaches, and his honesty also evidenced by his track record.
I certainly respect your right to disagree, and I know you're no dolt who just walked into the party, I just think its insane how these smear campaigns work. My heart went out to Joe when the left tossed him under the bus, and I feel the same for Paul. I mean, I have NO issues whatsoever for a publication to say 'Ron Paul is anti-war, that is bad because...' However, that isn't what;s happening. They are smearing him, attaching him to sub-groups he is NOT affiliated with (truthers, anarchists, etc) and they also are not objective. They merely report what is BAD about him, not what is good. They focus on the anti-war like its his only issue. They ignore his innovative, fiscal conservative stance and would rather just paint him as 'a liberal in conservative clothing.' That said, the war stance aside, Ron Paul is more conservative than most if not all the canidates he's up against fiscally.
I very much agree with your
October 26, 2007 - 13:29 ET by bigtimerI very much agree with your fiscal sentiment about Paul.
There is a lot I agree with when it comes to Paul, always have, but I would not ever want him for leader of this country...he may as well be someone like Carter when it comes to protection here.
That matters a lot to me.
Understandable. I know
October 26, 2007 - 15:06 ET by BinxlyUnderstandable. I know its a risk. I was all for Rudy at first, and then when I had actually found some videos of Mitt, I had liked how he seems a bit more moderate socially, but I don't trust someone who appropriates a blanket conservative approach because he wants to be electable amongst social conservatives. It was a wise move indeed, but I would rather have a man/woman I disagree with be honest, than a man/woman who pretends to feel the same way as I on issues then turn around and totally go back on their initial stance.
That said, aside from Ron, Im starting to like Fred alot despite my initial gut feeling that he's a bit too old fashioned for me. However, when I began to hear his approach to governing, believing that many issues should be left to the states to decide and his federalist roots, I began to like the man as well. As of recent though, Rudy has gained more of my favor, and I will say, at this point, I am still voting for Dr. Paul, but I am not carving anything in stone just yet. I'd say at this point my ranking is as follows:
1. Ron Paul
2. Rudy Giulliani
3. Fred Thompson
4. John McCain
5. Mitt Romney
That said though, I'm sure the winner of the Republican nomination for POTUS is in that list of 5, and regardless who wins the nomination, I will be voting for them when the time comes to cast my vote. We simply cannot afford Hillary to have such power with such socialist principles, and afterall, look at the congress when the liberals took it back, nothing was accomplished but alot of bitchin' and moaning and empty threats toward the republicans. I have no doubt whatsoever that unless our majority in America is brain dead that a republican WILL win in '08 and the republicans will also be taking back control of congress as well. People were fed up with conservatives in 06, and I can empathize with that anger (Newt talks alot about this and it makes sense) so they figured the other side couldnt be any worse and they found that not only could they be worse, but that ARE MUCH worse.
That said, I guess instead of saying 'Paul in 08!' my sentiments are better expressed as 'Republican in 08!'
Binx... I agree with your
October 26, 2007 - 15:20 ET by bigtimerBinx...
I agree with your sentiments on us all uniting to stop Hillary...I may have to hold my nose too and vote for Rudy...
She must be stopped....she will finish the job she started with more destruction to the Constitition, with leftist Judges on the SC and elsewhere and attempt to complete socialsim in this country if she is able.
I hope all people that are on the right side of the aisle and do not want leftists destroying more and more...have to come together.
The House and Senate, (especially the Senate) are hurdles I do not think we can overcome next election...I hope so, but it looks bleak at this point.
I hope they unite too and
October 26, 2007 - 16:45 ET by BinxlyI hope they unite too and ignore the third party canidates and focus on keeping 'HilDawg' out of the White House. I know I've turned off some people here with my sentiments, and I do have my beef with others here as well, but come election time all that crap is moot. We NEED a republican in the White House, no matter what, I am going to not rest until that's happened.
Reactionary
October 27, 2007 - 02:01 ET by UnsaneRon Paul is a REACTIONARY.
Reactionary does NOT equal Conservative.
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That was my point about the article...
October 27, 2007 - 08:02 ET by TheCableGuy... and the first couple of responses put an exclamation point on the thought.
I do think RP is wrong on foreign policy, but as I examine it, the dangers of illegal immigration, the coming social security meltdown and socialized medicine will do more to destroy America as I know it then any 100 bin Ladens or any 10 Iraqs.
To post an obvious smear against the man ignores the fact that he is the only consistent fiscal and Constitutional conservative in the race, period. His domestic ideas need to be central to the debate of the Republican party, or else we are going to have 8 years of Hillary and at least another 4 years of a Democratic Congress.
Fiscal conservatism and flakery collide
October 27, 2007 - 22:21 ET by UnsaneThat's all fine and dandy, but you can't really work for fiscal conservatism when you're dead.
I am more (much more) a fiscal conservative than anything else, but Paul's flaky ideas on foreign policy alone are enough to keep me from even thinking of voting for him. (No matter the year, foreign policy is my #1, #2, and #3 issue when it comes to voting for President.) Not to mention that, yes, the thought of socialized medicine, un-reformed (er, revolutionized!!!) Social Security and illegal immigration are very hot topics...but, really, is ending the Federal Reserve system a priority for anyone but the flake element in society? It is for Paul...
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