I would agree that there is no room for racism on NB.

He had my vote

You know how I feel about all of this and how I'm with you and rex. Hope something good comes out of it.

Isn't this a display of hypocrisy? First you complain that your standing up to Conservative values, then you complain that NB is "allowing" people with different viewpoint to post things you don't like to hear, a policy that is fully in line with the INDIVIDUAL right of self expression. You may not be aware of this, but NB's WANTS people of different viewpoints to post here. Like other have asked, both here and in other threads, who appointed YOU as the NewsBusters overseer, the guardian of NB?

Yo claim you're trying to "uncover" trolls, (in the name of saving NB's from what, OUTSIDERS?), then you accuse someone else of being a troll simply because they don't agree with your assessment AND your self proclaimed mission to "save" NB, and you do it in a way that that makes YOU look trollish! Excuse me, but that's a LIBERAL tactic of isolating, attacking, and marginalizing someone in order to silence them! How is THAT a Conservative principal? How does THAT reflect the NB standard of EXPOSING these type of tactics?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Count me in as one who has zero tolerance for bigots.  As a Jew I have put up with anti-Semitism for five decades and as one who admires Mormons and is married to one, I often hear downright ignorant and stupid remarks from sectarians concerning that particular religion.

The liberals are the enemy.  They are the ones we should be against - not each other.

I neither know nor care how Chose got her information on those who are posing as Conservatives, but it occurs to me that we DO have some fifth columnists among us.  Chose wants to call them out.  So be it.  I know her to be a gracious and kind young lady and a damn good mother.  She is not trying to usurp anyone's authority

As for Rex, I know that he is a good and decent man.  There is no call to bring up his heritage nor make light of it.  I like ethnic humor, but I would never call another Jew a kike, a hebe, a clipdick, etc.  Not even as a joke.

Bottom line, ladies and gentlemen, is that we need to be true Conservatives and not give the enemy ranks among us or at huffing and pissed or at koskids any ammunition.

For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me.  As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.

Ian Anderson "Wind up"

cl...

This is for you.

...and I'm leaving it at that, your divide and conquer here is more than obvious, please know NBs is about msm bias, I am not, never have been a bigot, you don't know me, my husband who is also part Indian~ Nez Perce, my friends, my health, nor walked in my moccasins.

Read the link, it applies to you.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

I want to thank those here who stood up for me, that really know me...it is much appreciated.

Lynn

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

IMO these anal he-said-she-said threads have no place on NB.  But then where or when is gossip suitable? 

Yet, as a personal friend of BT I find myself in the uncomfortable position of having to comment on a gossip thread.

For those that don't know Lynn personally, she has a heart as big as the Montana sky. She has been fighting the good fight against media bias since I have been posting here and certainly for years before NB was created.  She also does a great deal of other 'good works' outside of NB which only a few posters on NB are aware due in large part to Lynn's unpretentious nature.

I tip my hat to those on this thread that chose the high road over wallowing in the mud.  You know who you are and I'm confident Lynn appreciates your support more than the air she breathes. 

Wouldn't NB be better served if commenters that felt offended had the civility to send a private message to a person they have a beef with rather than create a thread that serves no other purpose other than to publicly attempt to villify a fellow Newsbuster?

Oh God, I hear the trumpets blowing. Oh Ashley, my love, you have saved me. What f%%%%% histrionics.

Sweet heaven man---what a reach!!! The admins on this site are very tolerant and grant us a lot of respect by allowing us in MOST cases to resolve our own differences--and it has worked well. Maybe the new folks involved in this are different.

Most surely you are jesting sir--if we are talking about the same comments. Flippant??? Yes, indeed. Of the magnitude and caliber of righeous indignation you lent to it--I suggest taking a Paxil.

Holy Moley Batman, talk bout purple hyperbole. Is this in referenc to the peace pipe again??

Enough--this is nothing more than a blatant effort to unseat a longtime member of this site. I am surprised and a little ashamed that so few other long time members failed to speak up for Bigtimer. SO-- yes, it's OK with me. It is the efforts of two inparfticular that is not OK with me. This is not your site it is the site of all members, even those who disagree with the basic tenets of conservatism. When they are trolls with no other purpose than to annoy and attack the members--then the admins should step in and lock them out.

Finally-- I will make an enemy--but so be it.. Chose- cool off with the histrionics unless it is to speak up for our country and our basic principles of our republic. Wave that flag with purple prose for our country and I will stand with you,, cry with you, laugh with you. Do not use it to wage a conspiratorial battle to denigrate a fellow member. You need a better pulpit--perhaps in church on Sunday where the fire and brimstone is appreciated.

"Not only is racism a problem, but the attitude of "We were here first..." and then followed with the idea that somehow that gives them lisence to tell others how they need to "behave".   If Bigtimer is not a moderator of some sort then she has no business telling anyone what they should or should not be posting.  That is just my opinion of course. "

Where have you ever gone in life where you did not encounter the "I was here first" attitude?? I am not defending it, I am saying, it is normal. If you can cite loads of opposite feelings and reactions, let me know. I felt that way myself--I felt left out of the loop a little. I felt a bunch of newer folks were building their own little clique and were heavily populating the site with posts that directed the traffic on subject matter, so I went on hiatus and I will again as soon as I finish this.

Big--I do understand and I also recognize that you see grandstanding and that upset you. I happen to agree with you. I have not recovered from watching the MSM fawning over BHO, I sure as heck don't want to see it at one of my favorite sites.

And --oh yeah--my posts may piss a couple of folks off--here's a little more sauce for that tasty dish-- I will not be back to see any reaction for over a week--so I won't get to see those angry reactions.

And just remeber folks as I don my cape and mask-- "I stand for truth and justice and the American way."

Keep those cards and letters coming in. The new decoder rings are in the mail.

I wonder if I still have enough faith in people that they might actually read this before they comment.  I must, otherwise I wouldn't take the time to write it.  I wrote it, please read it before you comment.  It is not an order, of course, but a polite request.  Too many times people post without reading and it shows.

In regards to what bigtimer wrote:

She wrote it in public view, I responded in public view at the time of occurrence.  I did not author or instigate this Forum.  I stated my objections at the time it happened and what is, is.  I did what I felt was necessary and will in the future do the same thing.  I feel that I have a legitimate grievance, but I also know that most people will not understand it, get it or really even care.  I am okay with that, for the most part.

I handled it the way I felt I needed to, and it is past.  We all know where the lines are, who is afraid of who and where the body is buried.  I have as much chance of making most people understand and care as a mosquito has of successfully attacking a battleship.  I did not create this Forum, nor did I request it.  It is not my style.

As established and institutionalized as NB is, I have no illusions whatsoever that anyone will really give a darn what is said to me, leastwise not anyone who doesn't know and care about me personally.  I have no doubt that for most of you, anything written or said to me by an old timer will be acceptable.  I may be a fool, but I am no dummy!  Some cows are more sacred than others, that is reality.  I am okay with that.

I still think it was a stupid thing for her to write, I am still not happy about it, but there is no way on this earth that anything at all will ever come of it in such a way that is of any value.  She could say the same thing a thousand times to me and it would not matter much, not to most of you, not to her, and really not all that much to me.  I have spent time considering the source and can easily cope.   It is what it is.

For those of you who think it not offensive, think not from a racial POV but also a religious and cultural view.  The remarks were made to be disparaging.  Such is life, but were the shoe on a different foot, one more personal to them, things would be different.  And that is how life is as well.  I am a very, very minor minority here at NB and I know that.  And I am okay with it.

In regards to what CL3X wrote: 

As I said, for myself, it was already handled.  I can, however, appreciate her feeling that she should repay whatever honor I paid her.  I think CL3X understands that it was not my loyalty to her that made me defend her in the past but my appreciation and regard for the truth of things.

She wrote to me after posting this, to let me know what she had done, and why.  I believe her, foolish as many of you might think that is for me to do. I expressed concern over it, while at the same time understanding that it was something she felt she had to do, regardless of its effect on me.

CL3X has a grasp of what was wrong with what bigtimer wrote, but not entirely.  I really can't clear that up much without writing a whole lot more that people won't actually read, wasting their time and mine.  It will add nothing to the dialogue. 

CL3X understands it better now, even more than she did a few days ago.  It is an evolved understanding.  I think she has learned a lot about me and my perspective on this Forum.

People who are truly interested can PM me about it.  I suppose if the demand were great enough, I would do a public piece, but I doubt there is much interest, judging by the comments on this Forum.

Suffice it to say, CL3X tried to do what she thought was right.  I can see the value in it, even if it were not an approach I myself would have used.  As I said, I have handled it, publicly and privately, to the extent that I intend to.  People are pretty much okay with it all and I have asked CL3X to let it go.  I think she will.

I believe she did this honestly, for reasons of goodness and honor.  My not being fully sanguine about this approach does not mean that I am ungrateful, it just means I see it differently.  She is right about the situation, we differ only in perspective of approach and viability of outcome.

I am commenting at this point just to add my perspective, worthless as that is to most of you, to this matter, which is not brought up by me, but about me.  I am a bit self-conscious about all of this, believe it or not.

In regards to the comments posted:

Some folks wrote and said that what bigtimer said was wrong.  Others came out and defended bigtimer, regardless of what she wrote, others because they did not or could not understand what was wrong with what she said.  Still others chimed in to try to make peace or call it a silly fighting or whatnot.

So, people demonstrated varying degrees of loyalty for a variety of reasons.  Some people were able to comment without, by their own admission, reading anything.  This is how life is.  I can live with that. 

How will folks react to my own comment?  I wish I knew, good or bad.  I have not intended to flame or perpetuate the disagreement, just add perspective. The odds are good that I might catch some snark; it is what it is.

Will people read what I say and think about it or just reply without consideration for anything I said?  Again, I wish I knew.  I hope that people read it and are intellectually honest in their replies.

I suppose I may find out, or this comment will be ignored, as is often the case.  I am glad to take the time and maybe communicate something of value to what has happened here. 

I am not insulted by the things said to me, as a lie is beneath notice and the truth cannot insult.  I know who I am, and I am good with that.  I may be annoyed, I may take offense if things are directed at my family or my people, I may be irritated by blatant disrespect without provocation towards others, but I am not insulted. 

The remarks were offensive, not as much to me personally, as they were to my belief structure, my heritage, things that I will not use space here to explain, unless there is a significant demand for it. 

I was obligated to be offended, when my preferred response was one of considering the source.  I know, that is about as clear as mud.  I will explain further if asked.

Mostly, I am just sad.  Sad that so much comes to so little, so much means so little and sad that very little of consequence or value is accomplished sometimes.  It is all just a little too sad, really.

Bottom Line:

Bigtimer can and will continue, with her vast support, to do, say and think whatever she wants, whenever she wants, about whoever she wants.  I certainly am not, nor will I ever be, in her good graces.  For her, I am beneath contempt and am mostly irrelevant.  Such is life.  I can live with that.  

CL3X is my friend, I know her personally, as many of you know bigtimer personally and have good things to say about her.  I think pretty darn well of CL3X and I am glad to have her as a friend.  My loyalty, however, is not blind, she gets no free pass on things.  I will call them as I see them, as necessary. I think that she understands and appreciates this.

As far as NewsBusters, members and the Internet goes, it is what it is, good or bad.  I can only do my little part in my little way, where I am at, to try to see good things succeed, to add my contribution, whatever that may be. People can accept the simple truth of what I do and who I am, or not.  Such is life.

NB can and should be an important tool for the communication and promotion of Conservatism, in an honest and dignified manner.  We all have our lapses, but the message is what needs to matter most.  Maybe it does.  I hope so.

Well, if you have read this far, honestly and completely, I thank you.  I know I write longish posts, odd as that can sometimes be on the internet.  But then, I am not really an Internet guy.  I am just a guy who came here to help keep my mind active during my convalescence.

I hope you all gained a little of my perspective.  If you all feel I need to be pummeled for something, then you all will of course do so.  I will attempt to respond without any more rancor than is directed at me.

To those of you who may offer support or seek an understanding of my perspective and words, I appreciate your time and consideration in this matter.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me

I guess- since I've only been a member for less than 9 months. I know little if anything about any particular poster here, I just assume you're all exactly like me (haha).  I did not know that bigtimer has Native American heritage- nor for that matter, that she is female. The only thing I have gathered about chooselife3x is that (she, I presume) is strong in her religious beliefs as she has taken issue with a statement I made some time ago. And Rex, well, I haven't had the pleasure.

My take, as if anyone really cares, is that if someone has an issue with someone else, simply state your issue and move on. I rarely directly respond to certain posters here because either it is likely a battle not worth fighting, or the poster isn't worthy of argument. Occasionally, I will address the "trolls" herein, but most often from a (pathetically lacking, I know) comedic approach, not meant to demean, or denegrate anyone's personal beliefs. What I won't do is consider anyone unwelcome.

I have been taken to task for my own errors, and can accept that without anger or wish for some sort of retribution. If I express an opinion that offends anyone personally, or is perceived to have crossed a line, I would prefer to be challenged on it, chastised for it if necessary, and then forgiven for it, assuming that I apologize or clarify my position so that it is acceptable to the majority. 

My hope is that with grievances aired, all can move forward and decide for themselves whom they chose to associate with, and whom they wish to ignore. And again, if anyone is personally offended, I hope that they speak up in their own defense, and request an apology. And I hope the offender can understand that they were offensive, even if they had not meant to be. What I like so much about forums like this one is the annonimity that comes with it (even though I have no fear in publishing my own identity) and the freedom of expression that is so often judged harshly in the PC world we live in. 

Bob Keyser, USMC Veteran, age 43, Maryland