Fact: The Fox News polls for text messaging from phones allow ONE vote per phone number.
Fact: Dr. Paul, as usual and despite some pretty-blatant bias this time, kicked ass again.
Fact: Despite these FACTS, Sean said this. How is he NOT lying?? Does it not seem like the honesty and reputation of his own network's poll is secondary in Sean's mind to a certain political agenda??? If not, please explain why in context of the FACTS I have outlined?
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UPDATE A sincere, non-sarcastic hat tip to NB reader "SportPolitics" who helpfully pointed out the bipartisan nature of this politically-biased media prevarication. Good show, it completes this bust which -- despite its location in the Forum area -- is IMO one of NB's best busts of this year.
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I agree, Hannity is a
September 6, 2007 - 15:20 ET by MightyMouthI agree, Hannity is a non-believer.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Yeah...
September 7, 2007 - 01:00 ET by sarcasmoIn the truth, apparently, but I'm still fascinated with the people who believe "Incompetent," since even I knew that the lying allegation was technically impossible, as I'd checked with a few "hackers" last time who would know a way to do it if the lie were somehow true. I reported the fact here, repeatedly, last time when I was makin' fun of y'all for calling winners "spammers," and Sean didn't learn so this time the consequences for his reputation for telling the truth (or incomptenence, I guess, if you have some of that "Larry Craig's not a homo" faith!) are a bit...er...stronger.
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Paul got his
September 6, 2007 - 15:27 ET by bigtimerPaul got his arse kicked...
Hannity had a little too much to drink...lol...just kiddin' I think.
Btw...I do not always agree with Hannity sarc, but wherever the phone calls came from it wasn't from the majority of republicans.
The LOONEY LEFTISTS love him..he knows this too.
I call that sad.
Funny how Dr. Paul did that & won the poll at the same time, eh?
September 6, 2007 - 16:52 ET by sarcasmoDifficult feat to manage, I'd say!! ;^) Anyway, if you can, I need the favor of a straight answer here. Your side seems to have 2 logical choices, so I'll lay them out for you and y'all can just pick "1" or "2" (or explain why there's any other choice).
1. Sean's a liar, who knew full-well what even-I know about Fox News text polls, which is that you can only vote once and there does not seem to be any easy way to "hack" around this limitation.
I'll be honest, I forgot all about the debate while I played poker at Hooters last night, so I didn't even vote once for Dr. Paul this time, but he STILL won, a vote at a time. :) I had a good time as usual, though, without even listening to these gasbags, and when I got home the TV put me to sleep in seconds without looking at the internet, even. (I do find your lefty-theory fascinating, but of course I like to call those people "Ron Paul Democrats," because they're gonna vote Republican all the way this time!)
2. Sean's not a liar, but rather, he's literally incompetent/uninformed enough to not-know that you can only vote once on these things, so saying something like "redial" is basically a one-word lie, and nobody even tries to vote twice.
And if he thinks it's the one-issue antiwar (and therefore VERY AntiHillary!) left, Sean should have been honest enough to say so, but that was your idea, not his. Sean wasn't honest, IMO. His bias showed an agenda that trumped the truth for politics, and someone should confront him on his radio-show, but it's not gonna be me!!
Those are your binary choices, my friend! :) Have fun with 'em, and if I've missed one please add it, because I'd LIKE to believe he's not this-dishonest. I really would...But for me, choice #2 (incompetence) frankly strains credulity in a season of already-strained credulity when it comes to social-conservatives, if you know what I mean...
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Look sarc I do not know the
September 6, 2007 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerLook sarc I do not know the answer..
Believe me when I tell you I do not care either that much.
I would hope if he intentionally lied he would say so.
I do not know your answer...
Why worry about it so much though?
Do you think
September 7, 2007 - 00:42 ET by sarcasmoI'd tell you, "don't worry, be happy!" if NB busted a media lie about Fred that seemed to be motivated by bias instead of factual considerations? IF so, as I said to Matthew, you apparently don't know me that well. Standards about lying apply even when sarcasmo disagrees with the candidate being lied-about -- that's the problem with having principles, I guess... But don't you think having principles about media figures telling the truth is important? I sure as hell do.
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Uhhhh... Who cares.
September 6, 2007 - 16:58 ET by Clear thinkerUhhhh...
Who cares. Whether Paul won the gameshow last night, or if Sean got it wrong, this in no way means that Paul can come close to winning the nomination. He will have some core supporters and some libs that will vote for him, but he ain't got a prayer. He simply comes off as being weird.
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Please, let's focus.
September 6, 2007 - 17:06 ET by sarcasmoMy point is NOT your opinions (or mine!) about Ron Paul. That's boring, on both counts. Let's concentrate on the question, shall we? Did Sean tell a lie, or did he tell the truth???
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Geeeesh... I do NOT think
September 6, 2007 - 17:08 ET by Clear thinkerGeeeesh...
I do NOT think Sean purposely, just mistaken.
So freakin what????
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So you're with "2 -- incompetent"??
September 6, 2007 - 17:44 ET by sarcasmoWow. As I said, for me that truly strains credulity... I mean, people like me said this last time when the stupid-accusation was made last time, all he'd have needed to do is, well, read NB!! Sheesh is right...What a bust, though, if I do say so myself. It's not every day NB catches a politically-motivated lie, if that's what it was, but I'm fascinated to see you seem to think it wasn't! :) Fun fun fun!!!
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I'd say ignorance as well
September 6, 2007 - 18:58 ET by Matthew SheffieldHannity probably never uses text messages, he has an assistant to do that for him. My guess is he knows nothing about them.
He also doesn't realize that it was liberals voting for Ron Paul that put Paul over the top.
A liberal vote for Ron Paul
September 6, 2007 - 20:25 ET by ThoughtPoliceA liberal vote for Ron Paul = a republican vote fore Ron Paul...we turn away no voters ;)
Thankfully ThoughtPolice
September 6, 2007 - 20:30 ET by SportPoliticsyou're going to take the flip floppy dimmocrats along for the Ron Paul ride, as well as a lot of the truthers and kookballs that would otherwise vote for dem dem dem dem no matter what dem !
It's going to be nice to see the democrat votes leeched away from the hitlery or bam-bam.
Which will ONLY happen
September 7, 2007 - 00:37 ET by sarcasmoIf we have a certain candidate, but ONCE AGAIN, this thread is about SEAN'S LIE/INCOMPETENCE, WHICH I JUST SINGLEHANDEDLY-BUSTED. But yes, like the Reagan Democrats, the Ron Paul Democrats could swing an election...
Please, let's focus, SP. Are you with "Liar" or "Incompetent"?
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Regardless, Matthew...
September 7, 2007 - 00:34 ET by sarcasmoAfter I made fun of people here calling us "spammers" last time, it was kinda a warning for Fox News and others in the media not to lie like that again. They didn't listen, so this is the consequence. Sean's getting called either a liar or incompetent, and that's the binary choice he left us. I wish I did not have to treat him like a child on this thread, but making fun of the lie last time did not work, so I'm left with this stronger medicine.
And yes, SP, to the extent that weasel Colmes went along with it, he's a liar, just like Sean is. But we're talkin' Hannity on this thread, and I just busted his ass, for a second time, lying. I DON'T think it was incompetence, and NONE of my "hacker" friends said the lie's even technically-possible the LAST time the lie was attempted here.
Face it, it's sarcasmo: 1. Fox News: 0 on this one, folks. And once again, your and my opinions of the candidate are irrelevant for the purposes of this thread. This is about lying and a biased political agenda I've once-again singlehandedly-busted.
Can any of you imagine ME behaving in this "waah, who cares, that's not my candidate!" way, if similar lying-bias were found & busted by one of you against, say, Fred Thompson? If so, then obviously you don't know me... This is about a lying agenda leading to unfair media bias, and that's ostensibly the very purpose of this site.
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Just the facts ma'm
September 15, 2007 - 07:29 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsSo freakin what????
That's what it comes down to. The only poll that counts is the one in the voting booth. Polls of random individuals, who may or may not be registered voters, who also, may or may not vote, mean nothing.
Sorry.
D
P.S. No need for an excessively verbose response to this post, just stating facts here.
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So this
September 15, 2007 - 10:29 ET by sarcasmoAin't about the unscientific poll, it's about the bias I've busted here. The fact that you may not like the candidate the bias was against, or that you may like the network on which I busted the bias, is entirely immaterial. Your particular political preferences & mine DO NOT MATTER. This is about bipartisan dishonesty.
Media bias is what matters around here, and bipartisan media bias is what I (and "SportPolitics" -- thanks again!) busted. Dishonesty, especially repeated dishonesty where I've already been-nice once in correcting it right here, is not acceptable. Period.
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Didn't know all the rules but not necessarily incompetent
September 6, 2007 - 18:28 ET by Ten7sHe probably didn't know all of the rules of the phone poll, but that doesn't mean he's "incompetent". He instinctually and correctly surmised that Dr. Paul did NOT excel in the debate, but posited an incorrect reason for why he won the phone poll.
Phone polls are NOT statistically sound and there are a variety of factors that could wildly SKEW the results (i.e. Democrats/Liberals voting, rabid Dr. Paul supporters voting in disproportionate numbers, Republicans/Conservatives not voting and being undecided among many candidates that hold similar positions, etc.). So if I were Dr. Paul, I wouldn't hang my hat on phone polls. Even the slightly more sound focus group reactions seemed to favor Sen. McCain, but that was just for NH.
Of the conservatives, I again thought Sen. Duncan Hunter was the best overall. I like Sen. Tancredo but found him lacking in communication skills (and although I sympathize I know he can't go far without much improvement in that regard). And though Gov. Huckabee is likable, he just seems like a back-slapper and not a serious candidate (his smackdown of Dr. Paul notwithstanding).
Once again...
September 7, 2007 - 01:46 ET by sarcasmoIt strains credulity for Sean to claim he's ignorant of an obvious technical aspect of all text phone polls that I, an outsider, verified last time with hackers, back when I was being more-polite about this lie. And Dr. Paul won in my book, you just happen to like this war-mistake more than I do. Following the lemmings off the pre-emptive-war cliff isn't my cup of tea.
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"It strains
September 7, 2007 - 06:16 ET by Ten7sYeah, you already said you don't believe it (so I'll repeat myself too). I don't know for sure but my guess is that he didn't know. And not knowing the exact rules of such a trival poll does not make him "incompetent".
As to Iraq, "like" has got nothing to do with it. The fact of the matter is that we went, and now we can't just cut-and-run, which wouldn't be good for anyone (except perhaps the Islamofascists). A sane adult who doesn't understand this bit of reality really "strains credulity".
And it further strains credulity
September 7, 2007 - 06:21 ET by sarcasmoThat Alan Colmes, as well, would not know the nature of this reality. Once again, this particular thread is about the media bias I've busted, you're free to go make another one about whether we should "cut and run" from Iraq, South Korea, etc. if you like, but let's focus on "liar or incomptent" on this one, shall we?
You have faith in "incomptetent" still, despite the fact that as SP pointed-out, it's BOTH hosts doing it??? THAT really strains credulity. Why can't you people accept the obvious? I've busted a politically-motivated lie!! Period, end of story, Iraq and what you like about the candidates has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it, this is about Sean's lie about a phone-text poll on his own network.
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I think we're beating a dead
September 7, 2007 - 06:50 ET by Ten7sI think we're beating a dead horse here, but... No one knows the extent of Hannity's knowledge about that virtually meaningless phone poll, except Hannity. And not knowing the ins-and-outs of that virtually meaningless phone poll does not make him or Combs or anyone else "incompetent". If you're just saying that he doesn't care for Dr. Paul's candidacy, we can agree on that.
No, I'm saying liar or incompetent, still
September 7, 2007 - 07:00 ET by sarcasmoThere's no way "redial" worked to manipulate that poll, both "journalists" either knew it and were lying, or should have known and were therefore incompetent, period. No weaseling out of it is possible, the choice is binary.
Face it. I busted some major-league lying media bias here, period. But I do love how polling becomes alternately meaningful or meaningless around here, depending on how Dr. Paul does in the particular poll.
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You've posed a false
September 7, 2007 - 07:40 ET by Ten7sYou've posed a false dilemma.
How so?
September 7, 2007 - 09:23 ET by sarcasmoWhat third choice did I miss? You've posted an assertion with 0-proof. How 'bout some proof I didn't bust either:
1. a lie (but actually, as "Sportpolitics" helpfully points-out, by both hosts). or
2. proof of true incompetence (and it's bipartisan -- again, thank you "Sportpolitics" for completing the bust on Fox "News" bias against Dr. Paul's constant, inconvenient wins by including Alan in the mix!).
I mean, if people like me know more about how Fox News text polls work than 2 major Fox News hosts who ostensibly disagree on stuff like this, we have a major bust here. Again, your opinions of candidates are irrelevant, the discussion is about my bust and/or your assertion-without-proof.
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Hannity and Dr Paul texter debate vote sarc
September 6, 2007 - 20:35 ET by SportPoliticsSarc, I heard ALAN suggest they dialed and dialed again, flipping his finger around, and then Shawn going along with it....
I'd say by your youtube 2 vids on the open thread , *Ron Paul interviews*, his online connected base announced their dial in call time - " I don't do any of this- they do it, they did, it just rose up " -
and certainly KOS had their text vote alert for Ron Paul spanked into their zombies heads a long time ago.
" oohh mr kotter, mr kotter - it's a repub whose agains the woooar... can I use yer phone vinny !!?"
Ok, then.
September 7, 2007 - 01:49 ET by sarcasmo1. That means Alan's a liar/incompetent, too. And
2. Yep, as I keep saying, Ron Paul Democrats have some power.
But I'm not sure what open thread videos you reference, I've been busy lately. So busy playing poker at Hooters last night I forgot all about the phone-poll, but obviously Dr. Paul won without me.
Better luck next time!
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text message drama
September 6, 2007 - 21:02 ET by third eyeDoes it not seem like the honesty and reputation of his own network's
poll is secondary in Sean's mind to a certain political agenda???
Ok Hannity definitely has a political agenda...I think he wants to make love to Fred. However, you must admit, Paul's performance was awful. He came off as an angry old man who hadnt had a bowel movement in weeks. Huckabee then handed him his behind in that now famous exchange. Hannity was as shocked as the rest of us were that anyone thought he won.
I don't need to "admit" anything, and you have yet to answer...
September 7, 2007 - 00:39 ET by sarcasmoAnything of the sort. Huckabee wants the lemmings to follow his failed foreign policy off a cliff. Nope, not gonna happen.
And you haven't answered the question in the thread, either. Liar or Incompetent?? Matthew's even with "Incompetent," but that still strains credulity for me, so I'm with "Liar." Which is it for you??
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I hold these truths to be self evident
September 7, 2007 - 12:29 ET by third eyeLook Sarcasmo...I dont even like Hannity ok, if you force me to choose then I choose "incompetent". However since you didnt even watch the debate live, your going on sheer emotion not facts. I agree with about 90% of your posts on NB, and I give respect to Ron Paul for having the balls to want to legalize marijauana, however the man is a political moron. Amateurs dont win elections, except for Carter, which only happened because of Watergate. I look forward to welcoming you to the "northeastern RINO club" when you calm down and come to your senses.
Well, I admire all the faith in Sean's incompetence...
September 7, 2007 - 13:24 ET by sarcasmoBut I'm with "liar" still, and with Colmes. There's no way that Fox News hosts could know less about their own station's polling process than I do. As I keep saying, it strains credulity, and apparently not-just-here & not-just-with-me! :) Funny how that works sometimes, but bias-bustin' is a democratic with a small-d process, after all, and NB certainly has no monopoly on it.
And since you're welcoming me to the RINO club, can you look forward for some lottery-numbers? Or maybe we should all just wait for a primary. Anyway, enjoy a country/Gospel-song on YouTube that's dedicated to all the intellectually-consistent positions taken by Sean over the years! ;) I do truly love this kind of music. :)
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Vice President?
September 7, 2007 - 16:17 ET by third eyeOk Sarcasmo, question, if Ron Paul wins the nomination, who would the best pick for his vice president be?
Ron Paul VP
September 7, 2007 - 17:23 ET by LionKingThere are certainly...
September 8, 2007 - 05:09 ET by sarcasmoFAR-worse choices out there & running for the top job. And I loved Kinky's comment on Cavuto the other day: "he's telling the truth and nobody wants to hear and in another time we probably crucify that guy!" :)
And in even-better news, TheStreet.com noticed lemming-man Huckabee...Things are going well, despite the bias we must bust constantly. And, oh-well, it looks like Colbert said Huckabee won. ;)
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I'll answer...
September 8, 2007 - 04:56 ET by sarcasmoBut first y'all get to see another number from the "it ain't just sarcasmo that's bustin' this BLATANT MEDIA BIAS BY FOX NEWS" hit-parade. A bit broader of a slam than mine here on NB, but it makes my points quite well, IMO.
Yes, I'll have other examples of how NB has 0 monopoly (for good reasons -- politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum!) when it comes to this particular variety of busted media bias. Your opinion on the candidate, as I keep repeating on this thread, is immaterial to the media bias I've not-so-singlehandedly busted here, and it's important for people here to honestly-face that fact, especially since they don't seem to want-to, in an intellectually-consistent way.
Ok, on to the subject of prospective VPs. My dream was Prof. Williams, but he doesn't seem to want the job (wise man -- drat!). Recently, Dr. Paul has said nice things about Mark Sanford (which the antilibertarian-biased news media largely ignored!) so I'm beginning to like him, too. I don't want a RINO big spender, and unlike a lot of Republicans these days, Sanford doesn't seem like one, so that's good news if he's picked, but that's a long way off. It will be a refreshing change from the "choice" between a borrow & spend warfare-state or a tax & spend welfare-state.
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I like the idea of a
September 11, 2007 - 17:36 ET by UnsaneI like the idea of a Paul/Kucinich ticket. Both are complete flakes, so that will be a great pairing.
WWPD?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
This election is really
September 12, 2007 - 06:03 ET by WhichWingThis election is really starting to get to you, isn't it? You've come to the realization that none of the Republican candidates stand a chance in the general election, except for the one that you fear the most. Have you sent your contribution to Hillary yet? Or do you consider Paul bashing to be your contribution? (You are pathetic, good luck.)
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Another intelligent response
September 12, 2007 - 06:09 ET by sarcasmo(I get this when I don't get lectures for having the temerity to link to Wikipedia!;^)
Anyway, here's a link and a non-wiki link to a guy, who is shockingly-enough a conservative Republican, Dr. Paul seems to like instead.
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what is his position on the
September 13, 2007 - 01:02 ET by Conservative Voicewhat is his position on the war and on illegal immigration?
You'd have to ask him...
September 13, 2007 - 02:46 ET by sarcasmoPresumably it's similar to Dr. Paul's, but I think what attracted Dr. Paul to him was his ability to vote against spending when the Republican party wants big spending. I've heard a lot of windbags on illegal immigration lying to me over the past couple of decades, and I believe exactly one candidate on that issue this time: Dr. Paul, but with an honorable mention for Tancredo.
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I definately like his
September 13, 2007 - 03:39 ET by Conservative VoiceI definately like his spending policy. So if he supports the war on terror and is against illegal immigration...then I could vote for the gov. seems like a decent fellow. Maybe that is why Mitt is also attracted to him?
Ron Paul lost me with his neo-con verbage and not putting the "truthers" in their place.
Look, I will say this, I
September 13, 2007 - 11:26 ET by BinxlyLook, I will say this, I DID watch the debate and yes, Dr Paul did come off heated, but I for one found it refreshing. I don't like preachers and alot said he came off preachy, but everyone there had it out for him just as much as the dems would have it out for a pro-Iraq war canidate. Sarc has a point tho in many cases.
#1: Too many people fall victim to their own biases (and we all have them including yours truely as much as I try to remain objective) and when we see bias from the side we disagree with, we line up in the cheerleader position to point it out. When it happens to us tho, we give the benefit of the doubt. I'm all for the benefit of the doubt, but this is different, leading me to Sarcs second point....
#2: This is the SECOND time Hannity has done this. Mind you, I *like* Hannity. I'm not some liberal loon who thinks anyone but those islamofacist ba$tards orchestrated 9-11. The point tho is NOT politics in general or your stance on Ron Paul love him or hate him. The point here is NB is a *CREDIBLE* and much needed source of busting bias. Obviously, the writers here have a more 'conservative' disposition, but I found that to no suprise since Conservatives have been winning big time in the telling it like it is good or bad, while the libs are the ones winning an oscar for best fabricated spin cycle since the high powered dryer was invented. IF NB is to keep its credibility, however, we need to be aware of times where even our own camp falls short of being 100% honest, be it out of malicious lie to perpetuate their own agenda, or, in my opinion, in this case, a simple matter of someone being on live TV and realizing the person or persons they thought won did not, and the one they felt lost the worst ended up on top. Yes, many lib loonies dialed in, but again, not ALL of them are loonies, alot of them dont believe 9-11 was an inside job, alot of them HATE HRC and the canidates the dems have lines up and even MORE are simply embarassed by their party. I would know, I met them, which leads to my last point...
#3: I attended the RP rally in Mars PA, where I live, and he DOES tell people that 9-11 was not an inside job. Many will still whistle dixie to whatever they want to believe, but most of these 'truthers' are just empty sponges that latch on to anything. If we get the REAL truth to them, it wont matter if they are wise enough to realize it. Afterall, if an idiot believes anything, but hes ALSO on your team, wouldnt you rather have him believing the *actual* answer as opposed to making him think 2+2 = The Boxer Rebellion while we sniker in the corner, forgetting that we are *all* on the same side?
Truthers and loonies aside, I realized alot following Ron. I've met many great, wise people who are dems *purely* because social liberalism is more important to them than their fiscal conservative leanings, and some, believe it or not, are just too lazy to switch voter registration. The point is, truthers, loonies, scholars, morons, and average joes all around this nation are united by one thing, we're all Americans (the legal ones at least.) While some may make my skin crawl, if we can all find common ground and vote for the person best suited to be our leader, then I think its worth leaving all the rest of the crap at the door. Afterall, some people still believe a boogey man lives in their closet or that there have been aliens among us since the early 50s. Crazies are everywhere, even in our own camp. Instead of using them as an excuse to be politically xenophobic, we should find the impressionable ones and turn them onto the facts, once they have that, let the cards fall where they may...which ties my entire point...
If neither side tries to be honest and objective, despite their personal leanings, then we will forever have people thinking all democrats are baby-murdering sodomites or that all conservatives are old, money grubbing, pollution-crazy, arrogant, facist jerks who want minorities and all homosexuals and 'sub culture' ways of life strung out dead in the streets. Neither example is even close to honest. If we truely care to unite and heal our divided nation, our only hope is facts. Even the nasty ones we don't want to swallow.
Sadly, Sarc is right, this time, the bust is on Fox. Its ok though, you cant expect any system to be perfect. We simply want them to admit mistake and move on and learn from it, rather than sweep it under the rug and be guilty of the same transgressions of those they point a finger at.
Thank you, Binxley
September 15, 2007 - 07:05 ET by sarcasmoFor your honesty and your kind words regarding this bust. I guess we'll see whether this one worked when the next text message poll from Fox comes-along. Yes, I'll be watching Sean and Alan very-carefully.
I'm totally-optimistic, because I suspect they both might have learned something (the hard way this time...) about telling the truth. That's always an important lesson for political types, so I'm glad to be the teacher. :)
And again, this is all about media-bias prevarication by both Sean and Alan (another bipartisan scandal!;) and NOT about anyone's opinion of any candidate's particular position with me, no-matter how many times others might try to change the subject. If the dynamic duo find a way not to lie next time, I promise to say nice things right here.
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Downsize DC busts Sean more-politely.
September 7, 2007 - 00:48 ET by sarcasmoI still like the L-word for this one, but here's their form to try to force Sean to tell the truth, instead.
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And my result:
September 7, 2007 - 00:55 ET by sarcasmoDear Mr. Hannity,
You misinformed your audience after the September 5th debate on your
network. You told your viewers that Ron Paul supporters were rigging
the post-debate poll by calling in repeatedly, when in truth the system
your network uses does not allow repeat phone calls. The truth is that
Ron Paul won the poll fair-and-square, but you were not
fair-and-square, let alone "fair and balanced," in your reporting.
Please retract your false statements and acknowledge that Ron Paul
really did win the poll. Please do so during your next national TV
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Umm, no, He's not a liar,
September 7, 2007 - 01:38 ET by AvatarUmm, no, He's not a liar, he's absolutely right. He's just said on national TV what website operators with polls have known for months: Rin-Tin Ron fans will see to it that they top the polls. Using tactics reminicent of DU and DKos, they bombard polls to get their guy up top.
Either that, or they're the only one's who really give a damn about useless phone/web polls. But I'm guessing it's the first.
If you think i'm making this up, just request the info from the pollers, they'll tell you that massive amounts of hits arrive from the same IP Addresses or from similar IPs from the same ISP, Location, and Network (which can be achieved by turning off your modem and turning it back on, to force your ISP to reset your IP address). It's not that hard to figure out.
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Nope, he's a liar, whether or not you wish to admit it.
September 7, 2007 - 01:52 ET by sarcasmo"Redial" is the word that tells the lie. One vote per number, like it or not. Facts are tough sometimes, and this is one of 'em. And NO, it's not possible to use the same IPs/phones to do these polls. Go look it up yourself, it's a bit up from this, right where I mention Downsize-DC (an act I wish more Republicans would actually DO, instead of just yammering about it to get elected and then spending more!). The incompetence-excuse, as I keep saying, strains credulity. Severely...
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know what skype is? The
September 7, 2007 - 09:36 ET by Avatarknow what skype is?
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Yeah.
September 7, 2007 - 09:43 ET by sarcasmoAnd it doesn't explain these constant wins.
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poor sarcasmo. So who
September 7, 2007 - 10:53 ET by Avatarpoor sarcasmo. So who will you support once Rin-Tin Ron drops out?
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Um...Aren't you the one who says these polls are meaningless???
September 7, 2007 - 11:27 ET by sarcasmoAnyway, in between me & Downsize-DC, it appears we got a rise outta someone at Fox "News"! :) Fun fun fun bustin' bias!
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Subject: Sean Hannity responds, kinda, sorta
Last night, during "Hannity & Colmes" on FoxNews, Sean Hannity got
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Regarding phones
September 12, 2007 - 08:01 ET by HelenSI personally have access to four different phones from which I could send a text-message. A unique phone number does not a unique voter make.
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
The implication then
September 12, 2007 - 08:20 ET by WhichWingThe implication then becomes: only Ron Paul supporters would do such a thing?
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
Exactly, and that's the bias I've busted.
September 15, 2007 - 07:06 ET by sarcasmoNo "?" needed in this case. :)
JMR
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