http://publicbroadcasting.net/ndpr/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1369631§ionID=1
"A North Dakota native who served as US House Majority Leader says he was correctly quoted in a new book about Vice President Dick Cheney.
In the book "Angler," Dick Armey was quoted as saying Cheney misled him about Iraq's threat to the United States."
"Cheney said, according to Armey, that Iraq's "ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear," had been "substantially refined since the first Gulf War," and would soon result in "packages that could be moved even by ground personnel." Cheney linked that threat to Saddam's alleged personal ties to al Qaeda, Armey said, explaining that "we now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as al Qaeda."
"Did Dick Cheney ... purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" Armey said. "I seriously feel that may be the case...Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
I am wondering what NewsBusters readers think about this story, which broke on September 16, and was buried by the financial crisis on Wall Street.
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September 20, 2008 - 10:03 ET by Jacob FreezeI posted this blog in internal affairs by mistake, and reposted it in news.
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September 20, 2008 - 10:07 ET by Cool ArrowThank you for tucking your drivel off the beaten path.
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September 20, 2008 - 14:08 ET by Jacob Freezex
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September 20, 2008 - 14:15 ET by Free StinkerAre you skipping your Saturday meeting of Obama Youth to be here?
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Oink?
September 20, 2008 - 15:03 ET by Jacob FreezeSo far no NewsBusters readers can think of anything to say about the Cheney/Armey story, so they post pathetic insults instead.
But there must be at least a couple of intelligent readers here...
Or not.
You must be new here
September 20, 2008 - 15:22 ET by Free StinkerAre you really sure you want a comment on Iraq WMD? You must be new here since you haven't seen this: The Invasion of Iraq: Still The Right Thing To Do.
From my link above:
I. Saddam was known to have WMD and used it in at least 3 separate situations.
II. There is a long list of WMD found in Iraq
Stinker knows more than the Republican Majority Leader?
September 20, 2008 - 23:48 ET by Jacob FreezeDick Armey, the former Republican Majority Leader of the House says that if he had known then what he knows now, he would have stopped the invasion of Iraq.
But the imbecile "Free Stinker" pastes some old links about "chemical suits" as if it were somehow relevant.
Do you think Dick Armey hasn't seen all the articles in your stupid links?
Does "Free Stinker" think he knows more about it than the Republican Majority Leader of the House?
"Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
Dick Armey has seen all the information in Free Stinker's stupid links but...
"Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
That's the former Republican Majority Leader of the House, talking!
You think he never heard about the "chemical suits" or the rest of the garbage you paste up without understanding any of it?
Dick Armey knows everything you know, and a thousand times more, but...
"Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
Is it possible that there isn't even one intelligent reader on NewsBusters?
Or even one reader who can actually understand a question?
If there really is anybody with more or less normal intelligence on this site, maybe they could reply to the question I asked, instead of leaving it to imbeciles like Free Stinker to blather about "chemical suits" and the rest of the crap that Dick Armey already knows, and still...
"I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
Armey knows about Free Stinker's crappy articles, but still...
"I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end."
Got it?
Jacob Freeze. You should try thinking for yourself sometime.
September 20, 2008 - 23:59 ET by Free StinkerNothing you said has made any of the Cyclosarin, Mustard Gas, Sarin, Tabun, VX gas, and (tons of) Uranium that was found in Iraq go away.
But the imbecile "Free Stinker" pastes some old links about "chemical suits" as if it were somehow relevant.
So you combine an ad hominum attack with a distraction. You think others will laugh at chemical suits being proof of Iraqi WMD. Thing is, you aren't addressing the Cyclosarin, Mustard Gas, Sarin, Tabun, VX gas, and (tons of) Uranium. I don't wonder why that is, I already know. You are unable to address it with admiting there was WMD in Iraq.
Clearly you have only come here to insult, and repeat the talking points you were told to spread.
You should try thinking for yourself sometime. Don't be afraid to do so.
You think Dick Armey doesn't know that nonsense?
September 21, 2008 - 00:15 ET by Jacob FreezeYou think Dick Armey doesn't know all the silly articles you posted?
But still...
"Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
Why?
That's the question.
Dick Armey knows a thousand times more than Free Stinker and his silly articles, but still...
The Republican Majority Leader of the House of Representatives would have opposed the invasion to the bitter end.
Dick Armey is a Gingrich-style conservation, and yet...
Knowing then what he knows now...
If Cheney hadn't lied to him...
He would have opposed the invasion to the bitter end!
Is there anybody here smart enough to actually reply to my post, instead of pasting a bunch of ridiculous links that make absolutely no difference to the Republican former Majority leader of the House, who knows all that crap but still, says...
He would have publicly opposed the war resolution right to the bitter end.
Daily Kos is just as stupid!
September 21, 2008 - 00:22 ET by Jacob FreezeIt's also worth mentioning that the posters on Daily Kos are (mostly) just as stupid as Free Stinker, and if you google my name you'll find about 25 entries from the liberal site Common Dreams that begin...
"Are you sure you want to flag this comment by Jacob Freeze?"
Harharharhar!!!
But they haven't gotten me banned yet!
I Think Dick Armey Has Been Out Of Office for 5 years
September 21, 2008 - 00:26 ET by Free StinkerWhy?
If Cheney hadn't lied to him...
He would have publicly opposed the war resolution right to the bitter end.
Shocking. A politician that doesn't want to take the heat for something. A politician that wants to wait around until we get hit again. Another shock.
He's been out of office since 2003. Who cares what he says today? (besides you)
In the words of Patton (sort of): "You wouldn't recognize a real threat to your freedom until it interupted the power supply to your X-box, and killed a half a million people!"
»→ Freeze
September 21, 2008 - 00:26 ET by Cool ArrowYour argument also supposes the previous administration lied about WMD.
The evidence seems to suggest all levels of the intelligence community believed in the existence of WMD.
Saddam Hussein admitted keeping the rest of the world believing in their existance was his plan.
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cool & free
September 21, 2008 - 00:32 ET by MrShyConstant repetition of facts seems to bounce right off of walky-talky-point trolls.
It's futile, and yet, why do we painstakingly assume the burden every time? Are we glutton for punishment?
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Yeah Shy, I'm acting like
September 21, 2008 - 00:35 ET by Free StinkerYeah Shy,
I'm acting like the guy who hit his head agaisnt the wall because it felt so good when he stoped.
Governor Palin - She is the Real Deal !
Free Stinker actually answered the question!
September 21, 2008 - 00:38 ET by Jacob FreezeHe says Dick Armey is probably lying to make himself look good in retrospect.
That's possible, and it's a decent answer, even though I don't agree with it.
»→ Hey Free
September 21, 2008 - 00:43 ET by Cool ArrowCan you believe Freeze doesn't believe you?
If I was you, I'd be just plumb crushed.
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Cool
September 21, 2008 - 00:46 ET by Free StinkerYeah, now my whole self-image is ruined. ;-)
Free
September 21, 2008 - 00:52 ET by MrShyIf you need counseling.... I'm, you know, here, as are many of us. Just saying.
We're here for you.
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»→ Counselling
September 21, 2008 - 00:56 ET by Cool ArrowHe's still in denial. Not quite ready to investigate things for himself.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
Yeah. I'm in denial about
September 21, 2008 - 00:59 ET by Free StinkerYeah. I'm in denial about Palin too. She was an unknown to me until McCain picked her. ;-)
»→ Free
September 21, 2008 - 01:03 ET by Cool ArrowI guess I missed the transition from Freeze to Free. The denial comment was meant for Freeze.
Didn't know I was getting into the middle of a sidespat.
I'll back out now.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
cool & free
September 21, 2008 - 01:09 ET by MrShyCool, yes, I was adding more "sarc" referring to the Freeze-Free thing... :) There's no sidespat between me and Free... not now, anyway :p
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September 21, 2008 - 00:53 ET by Cool ArrowI guess you noticed Freeze doesn't mention Bill Clinton's murderous attack on Iraq on Dec 16, 1998. I mean, if the Gulf War was over, why did Clinton attack?
Maybe Freeze should investigate the reason President Clinton gave for his action.
Obviously Freeze doesn't care much about the facts. And he's really bad at "gotcha"
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
And he's really bad at
September 21, 2008 - 00:57 ET by Free StinkerAnd he's really bad at "gotcha"
Well, from what he says, he tries this stuff over at Kos. Must be easier over there.
»→ Meanwhile at Kos
September 21, 2008 - 01:04 ET by Cool ArrowWhy does KOS get the luxury of a day without Freeze for the day?
I think they're missing him something fierce.
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Is Armey lying?
September 21, 2008 - 00:52 ET by Jacob FreezeThis is a question that can actually be discussed, instead of just shouting insults back and forth across a great ideological divide.
What would Armey's motivation be, beyond just making himself look smart?
And who is going to congratulate him for his belated revelation?
Not Republicans, because the GOP is still deeply invested in claiming the invasion was justified.
Not Democrats, because...
Let's face it. Those guys aren't going to congratulate Dick Armey for anything.
Cheney probably isn't as powerful as he used to be, but he still isn't the kind of guy you want to call a liar without a really good reason.
So what is Armey's motivation for lying about Cheney, if that's what happened?
It's sort of a dangerous way to make yourself look smart!
»→ Hey Jacob
September 21, 2008 - 01:07 ET by Cool ArrowJust thought I'd pop in here and ask you how it feels to be talked about instead of addressed as an intellectual equal.
But then I thought better of it and decided not to ask.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
cool
September 21, 2008 - 01:16 ET by MrShyNo, go ahead, ask him if it bothers him.
:p
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It was sort of worth it, because...
September 21, 2008 - 01:53 ET by Jacob FreezeIt was sort of worth it to post here, because at least Free Stinker finally addressed the question I was asking, and demonstrated that he doesn't have his head so far up his ass that he thinks nobody who disagrees with him could possibly ask a relevant question.
But finally the scumbags who are even stupider than the scumbags on Daily Kos flooded the thread with their brain-dead bullshit, and proved that they can't even focus on a specific question.
Here's a highly respected Gingrich-style conservative and former Republican Majority Leader of the House of Representatives saying Dick Cheney lied to him, and except for Free Stinker, all the rest of you can do is spout silly insults.
Pathetic!
tick tock, tick tock...
September 21, 2008 - 13:07 ET by MrShyIt's now official, I'm pretty sure.
Your days are numbered here, foul-mouthed, classless troll.
Liberals -- and non-libs -- that refrain from vulgar, foul name-calling, stick around. You're not one of them.
Take your spinning-out-of-control anger elsewhere. Oh say, to the less "sc*mbag"-laden but more foul-mouth-laden DKos.
NB prides itself on civil discourse. And, okay, at times civil ribbing, like we've been doing with you. But this thread and others (of your multitude of anti-Mc/Bush/GOP propaganda forum threads) are riddled with your lack of class, so that might be the reason we're giving your questions zero consideration.
(Ever thought about that? No, probably not.)
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"Not Republicans, because
September 21, 2008 - 01:26 ET by MrShy"Not Republicans, because the GOP is still deeply invested in claiming the invasion was justified."
Oh, but the "overthrow of Saddam's dictatorial regime" WAS justified. Justified on many levels. Would you like me to list them for you?
If you ask, I'll think about it. :p
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Jocob,
September 21, 2008 - 01:11 ET by RESTLESS 1Your whole post is irrelevant. Whether or not the WMD were actually there or not does not matter, (though in fact they were there, this has been posted many times by myself, Free Stinker, and others).
The reason we went into Iraq was the UN Security Council resolutions that Saddam ignored. Remember those. The WMD thing is simply a straw man. Saddam made his own bed when he did not comply fully with the resolutions. If he didn't have them, he should have just proven it. So, who gives a F#$k what armey is saying now?
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liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
You should have listened to free Stinker
September 21, 2008 - 02:08 ET by Jacob FreezeFree Stinker actually answered the question like a reasonable person. If Armey was lying, there's no story.
But claiming it was "irrelevant" that the Vice-President lied to the Republican House Majority Leader, and not just about generic WMD's, but about the most dangerous possible weapon of mass destruction, a portable nuclear weapon that could easily be smuggled into the United States...
That's just stupid.
The Republicans have been dancing to Cheney's tune for 7 years, but it's "irrelevant" that Cheney is a lying scumbag? (If Armey is telling the truth.)
It's "irrelevant" that Cheney would lie to a Republican House Majority Leader to promote a war that the same Gingrich-style conservative Republican Leader opposed and would still oppose, even though he knows all the silly articles that you keep talking about? (If Armey is telling the truth.)
Harharharhar!!!
Anyway, it's still some credit to NewsBusters that at least one of you understood the question!
I understand the question, dumbass,
September 21, 2008 - 23:00 ET by RESTLESS 1And spin it all you want. UN Sec Council resolutions were violated again and again. THAT is why we invaded. THAT was what the vote for agression was based on. You and your whole thread is irrelevant. Deal with it. I would say the same thing if a dem was POTUS. Would this thread exist likewise?
BTW, it has been five years now, and we are still there. Deal with that too. Two years of a dem majority in the Congress, and we are still there. Youtube video of a dem congressman admitting that the dems had no intention of withdrawing from Iraq, they just said to get elected, and guess what. We are still there, and we will be there until GWB says to leave, even if obama wins. Deal with it.
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liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008