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No room for God in the Veteran's Administration

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Tue, 04/10/2012 - 11:47pm
frank_andrini
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I was told Sunday- Easter Sunday mind you and by a staff counselor- that I COULD NOT USE THE NAME OF "GOD" in the context of the 'Serenity Prayer' because AND I QUOTE VERBATIM "Not everybody believes in God". NO ONE in the class could begin with 'God' but instead we had to start with 'Grant me the serenity' and when I asked who was doing the granting I was told to 'look within yourself'. Now these 'counselors' make BIG bucks (he had told us that himself) and it seems to me or am I just being cynical that he was setting up a little job security? This seems to me to be a dangerous precedent that is being set at taxpayer's expense.

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Thu, 06/14/2012 - 1:04am
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The staff counselor is wrong.
The staff counselor is wrong. He, or she, doesn't have the authority to tell you what to say and what not to say. He. or she, especially doesn't have the authority to tell you to redact a single word from a complete passage. You still have First Amendment rights, especially at a government run institution like the VA. I'd start complaining, taking it higher and higher up the chain if I had to. By the way, are you staff or are you a veteran who is receiving treatment and/or benefits? If you are a disabled veteran who is receiving treatment, then I would definitely lodge a complaint and do everything in my power, and trust me, veterans have a lot of power at the VA, especially disabled one, to get this prick fired.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Wed, 04/11/2012 - 12:00am
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No God 4 VA
This is my first 'Forum' creation so bear with me. The above was taken from a post I made at this thread "Whoopi Goldberg Bleeped for Saying N-word While Advocating Reporters Be Able to Say N-word" Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/04/10/whoopi-goldberg-bl... The above incident occurred Sunday 8APR12 at the Veteran's Administration Medical Center in West Los(t) Angeles during a required meeting for the Program Track I am in.
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Wed, 04/11/2012 - 3:04pm
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Hi Frank

(BTW, your title is only truncated on the main forum page...it's all here ^).

I still think you should continue to do as you please....and openly confront this counselor. If he continues to stonewall you, take it up with his supervisor, head of the program, etc. This is obviously important to you, and for your recovery plan. Go for it.

To my way of thinking, this counselor, an employee of the VA and therefore the government, has intruded into the separation of church and state....by inserting his (lack of) beliefs and applying it to the patients. His refusal to even discuss your objection is an obstacle to YOUR treatment.

You have the right to your own beliefs, as well as the right to free speech to express them. (Mention a lawyer when you use that line). Good luck with this fool...and be of good cheer...we're rooting for you.

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Wed, 04/11/2012 - 1:11am
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Have courage Frank*
Hope you get well soon. The prayers are what is important. Say them quietly if you have to, but say them nonetheless. Dont let anyone stop your prayers. Get a doctor to write a prescription saying the prayers are important part of the healing process.....Put a big RX on top of the bible and tell them they cannot deny you proper medical treatment....;-)
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