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Get the media to stop saying same-sex marriage is "banned"!

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Fri, 01/06/2012 - 1:13pm
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I'm a moderate on social issues, but what annoys the hell out of me is whenever any news broadcast talks about a "ban on gay marriage." Even Fox News anchors casually talk about "gay marriage bans", because the phrasing has entered our common vernacular. Straight from the idea of a "ban" on gays marrying, you get people complaining about how conservatives want to regulate people's private lives and what they do in their bedrooms. However, nothing is banned! People are free to do whatever they want in their own lives. A ban is a restriction on behavior, and there is no restriction on behavior. Conservatives aren't "controlling people's private lives." The government recognizes a certain relationship as constituting marriage, as it always has. This is formulated around a man and a woman because marriage is primarily designed around the idea that the couple may bear children and so needs some legal protections primarily for the sake of the children. Some people want to expand the definition of marriage to include same-sex relationships because they think its necessary for equality. That's fine, if they wan't to argue that. But referring to a "ban" where a "ban" doesn't exist just inflames the issue and serves partisans on the liberal side. Here's a recent example, from TIME Magazine, discussing a meeting with Rick Santorum: "He suggested those who wanted to change laws prohibiting same-sex marriage faced the burden of showing why that was necessary." http://swampland.time.com/2012/01/06/heated-exchange-exposes-santorums-h... Arrghh. What laws prohibit same-sex marriage? If Newsbusters doesn't address this issue, who will?
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Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:13am
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The words 'banned' and 'prohibited'

are part of the left's time honored practice of controlling the language of the debate.

 

You fell into their trap by using their terminology.   If you want to defeat their arguments, start by rejecting their false premises.  Nobody 'forbids' homosexuals to marry.   Gays are not 'prohibited' to marry.  Homosexuals are demanding the meaning of the word 'marriage' be legally redefined to include their filthy habits.  In jurisdictions such as Ontario Province, Canada, the Homosexuals have even gotten laws placed on the books classifying any moral criticism of homosexual activity as "hate speech" and outlawing such.

Controlling the language of the debate is exactly how Newt chopped down John King :  he rejected King's liberal template and reframed the issue from the Conservative perspective.

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Fri, 01/06/2012 - 4:54pm
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if you are prohibiting somebody
from getting married isn't that like banning? 1. To prohibit, especially by official decree: The city council banned billboards on most streets. See Synonyms at forbid. 2. South African Under the former system of apartheid, to deprive (a person suspected of illegal activity) of the right of free movement and association with others .3. Archaic To curse.n.1. An excommunication or condemnation by church officials.2. A prohibition imposed by law or official decree: a ban on cigarette smoking on airplanes.3. Censure, condemnation, or disapproval expressed especially by public opinion .4. A curse; an imprecation.5. A summons to arms in feudal times.
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Tue, 01/24/2012 - 10:50pm
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Nobody has EVER prohibited Homosexuals

to Marry.  They have always been free to marry any member of the opposite sex who is  unmarried, able to give legal consent, and consents.

 

It is Homosexuals who have demanded that our society ALTER THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE to conform to their perverse wishes.

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Tue, 01/24/2012 - 11:03pm
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double
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Tue, 01/24/2012 - 10:59pm
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gee
Glad an upstanding poster like you won't nitpick words or anything like that
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Fri, 01/06/2012 - 8:26pm
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A ban is the government

A ban is the government passing a law to prohibit private behavior. Look at all of the examples in your dictionary definition. They all prohibit or target private behavior.

Saying the government is banning same-sex couples from marrying is like saying the government is banning young people from getting retirement benefits. Both cases are franchises, and franchises by definition are limited.

Marriage is a franchise. Some people want to keep it how it is, other people want to expand it to include same-sex couples. But, historically, its not designed how it is to exclude anyone. One of the primary purposes of marriage is to give rights and protection to the children born in a marriage, and that's why its centered around men and women. The question today is whether our definition of marriage should change, not whether some "ban" should be lifted.

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Fri, 01/06/2012 - 9:46pm
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By the way, redfish...

Laws against sodomy--and it is impossible to argue such proscriptions were inapplicable to private, consensual behavior--were still on the books in fourteen states until finally struck down by the SC in 2003. The staunch conservative threesome of Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist vigorously dissented.

Jer

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Fri, 01/06/2012 - 9:30pm
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Now you tell me, redfish...

so all these months that Unsane has been vigorously insisting the Texas constitution explicitly prohibits any right to same-sex marriage, he was just pulling my leg?

No wonder he would never link it for me.

Jer

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Fri, 01/06/2012 - 9:17pm
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yes
yes, incestous marriage is banned, polygamy is banned strike that - im goin with redfish above

Congratulations Jimmy Carter!

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