My standards for this scenario go something like this: What would the Times of London (or any other news media outlet) have done, given the documents that WikiLeaks received? I think that much of the same material would have been published. The choice bits would have been milked for their sensationalistic value, and profit would have been a motive in the pace, order, and presentation. WikiLeaks purportedly publishes the documents with no commentary and no bias in pace, order, or presentation.
The only flagrantly unethical thing I've seen on WikiLeaks side is the whole "poison pill" threat. That sets off alarm bells in my head.
And believe me, I understand the discomfort some people have with the information being published, at all, and not just by WikiLeaks, NYTimes, and so forth. Aiding and abetting aren't quite applicable - WikiLeaks didn't aid Manning, nor did they abet his crime. The Supreme Court has said that puiblishing information, even if it was originally obtained illegally, is protected speech.
Also, free speech advocates will tell you that unless information presents an immediate danger to someone, it should be published. WikiLeaks is actually preferable to print media, in that the material isn't spun - no ideological bias is present unless it's inherent to the docs being published.
Something cynical inside me keeps whispering that this is all just a sideshow so that someone in Hollywood can make an epic movie about Assange in 3 or 4 years.
You poetic words and debating skills are too much for me and I fear you schooling me in front of other people. Please show mercy on my obviously less important points than you okay?
Thanks fut, your the best
I am not the one running from the debate. I guess you know what I will bring.
1) Underage women used in the porn industry.
2) The porn industry involved in the sex slave trade
3) The devastating effects that pornography has on marriages and how boys and men see and act towards women.
4) The devastating effects pornography has on women. Pornography has been linked to countless rapes.
5) The porn industry thrives on the heaviest users of porn, 10 to 17 year old boys!
6) Sons and daughters finding their father's and sometimes their mother's computers filled with pornography and losing ALL respect for his/her mother, father, parents. Destruction of family.
7) The porn industry using as a drug our most animalistic instinct against us and making us behave like animals and not like human beings.
Your come backs to all these....
"It is a choice...", "It brings money to our economy..."
1) It is rarely a choice when a woman is raped by a sex starved men who just spent countless of hours watching pornography
2) Money is FAR from the only thing to live for. Money, in fact, should not be something that we live for.
Journalism, definitely not, but I'm not so sure it's espionage. Certainly Pfc. Manning should be in front of a firing squad as soon as possible, and his execution should be televised, but calling WikiLeakes a spy agency or crime syndicate is hyperbole.
Joe Wilson? He only used six letters, and we were subjected to the faux outrage of the left and their supplicants in the LSM for weeks. Justice Alito, who didn't say anything out loud? Again, the wails and gnashing of teeth over his supposed breach of decorum.
Again, the porn industry which you defend so much is heavily involved in all types of illegal things. Child pornography, drug trading, drug consumption, sex slave trade! Why you put your head in the sand and refuse to see the facts is beyond me.
Additionally, just because something is Legal it doesn't make it moral, Right, Truth. Legal doesn't not equate to moral, can you at least agree to this point? Be ready to debate some very heavy stuff if you disagree. Legal should be moral, but in a society where our moral compass has been turned upside down, Legal is equaling less and less morality.
What you do not seem to understand or refuse to acknowledge is that the porn industry which you love to defend IS involved in drug trafficking, prostitution, sex slave trade, child pornography.
There is ZERO seperation from the porn industry that you defend and what cajun mentioned.
tsk, tsk, your argument is worthy of Michael Moore's half-truths and "clever" editing.
just to change your thought just a bit, journalism isn't a profession that trumps prostitution. Assange is a receiver of stolen property. Manning is a thief. The fools in the LSM can romaticize it all they want, but that's what those two are.
I don't disagree with your comparision and your calling me adolescent. Too bad all those years of experience have not taught you humility :-(
Must be tough to see things in black and white all the time
BK, well stated and by someone who knows what he is talking about.
Personally, I think it's a military decision that needs to be made by the military. The professionals know the best methods for keeping order and moral. Quite frankly, if gays need to be recognized as gay in the military, they are to interested in themselves as individuals and not interested enough in the unit.
Clinton rode the economic bullrush into the information age. No tax increase was going to stop that freight train. The boom was coming, in spite of any liberal attempt to squash it.
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But that is part of who you are and we love it about you buddy. Misspellon buddy...
My standards for this scenario go something like this: What would the Times of London (or any other news media outlet) have done, given the documents that WikiLeaks received? I think that much of the same material would have been published. The choice bits would have been milked for their sensationalistic value, and profit would have been a motive in the pace, order, and presentation. WikiLeaks purportedly publishes the documents with no commentary and no bias in pace, order, or presentation.
The only flagrantly unethical thing I've seen on WikiLeaks side is the whole "poison pill" threat. That sets off alarm bells in my head.
And believe me, I understand the discomfort some people have with the information being published, at all, and not just by WikiLeaks, NYTimes, and so forth. Aiding and abetting aren't quite applicable - WikiLeaks didn't aid Manning, nor did they abet his crime. The Supreme Court has said that puiblishing information, even if it was originally obtained illegally, is protected speech.
Also, free speech advocates will tell you that unless information presents an immediate danger to someone, it should be published. WikiLeaks is actually preferable to print media, in that the material isn't spun - no ideological bias is present unless it's inherent to the docs being published.
This article references several interesting points: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/07/26/pentagon-papers-ii-on-wikileaks-and-...
Something cynical inside me keeps whispering that this is all just a sideshow so that someone in Hollywood can make an epic movie about Assange in 3 or 4 years.
Fixed it for ya.
F**k America.
I agree with you 100%. Very well said.
Shawn,
I am not the one running from the debate. I guess you know what I will bring.
1) Underage women used in the porn industry.
2) The porn industry involved in the sex slave trade
3) The devastating effects that pornography has on marriages and how boys and men see and act towards women.
4) The devastating effects pornography has on women. Pornography has been linked to countless rapes.
5) The porn industry thrives on the heaviest users of porn, 10 to 17 year old boys!
6) Sons and daughters finding their father's and sometimes their mother's computers filled with pornography and losing ALL respect for his/her mother, father, parents. Destruction of family.
7) The porn industry using as a drug our most animalistic instinct against us and making us behave like animals and not like human beings.
Your come backs to all these....
"It is a choice...", "It brings money to our economy..."
1) It is rarely a choice when a woman is raped by a sex starved men who just spent countless of hours watching pornography
2) Money is FAR from the only thing to live for. Money, in fact, should not be something that we live for.
Journalism, definitely not, but I'm not so sure it's espionage. Certainly Pfc. Manning should be in front of a firing squad as soon as possible, and his execution should be televised, but calling WikiLeakes a spy agency or crime syndicate is hyperbole.
Combined with a ten ring zinger!
Hoo-haw!
MD
Joe Wilson? He only used six letters, and we were subjected to the faux outrage of the left and their supplicants in the LSM for weeks. Justice Alito, who didn't say anything out loud? Again, the wails and gnashing of teeth over his supposed breach of decorum.
Now, meh, nothing to see here, move along.
Shawn,
Again, the porn industry which you defend so much is heavily involved in all types of illegal things. Child pornography, drug trading, drug consumption, sex slave trade! Why you put your head in the sand and refuse to see the facts is beyond me.
Additionally, just because something is Legal it doesn't make it moral, Right, Truth. Legal doesn't not equate to moral, can you at least agree to this point? Be ready to debate some very heavy stuff if you disagree. Legal should be moral, but in a society where our moral compass has been turned upside down, Legal is equaling less and less morality.
They won't acknowledge it. Not unless Palin makes a Facebook post that the entire media picks up and runs away with, but I doubt that will happen.
How about they Just Say No instead? It's not as if the networks are pulling in the audiences.
Shawn,
What you do not seem to understand or refuse to acknowledge is that the porn industry which you love to defend IS involved in drug trafficking, prostitution, sex slave trade, child pornography.
There is ZERO seperation from the porn industry that you defend and what cajun mentioned.
tsk, tsk, your argument is worthy of Michael Moore's half-truths and "clever" editing.
You're beginning to think? Excellent! Good luck with what is obviously a new experience for you.
Pretty pathetic but hardly surprising. When will she learn to either do live MSM interviews or none at all?
just to change your thought just a bit, journalism isn't a profession that trumps prostitution. Assange is a receiver of stolen property. Manning is a thief. The fools in the LSM can romaticize it all they want, but that's what those two are.
BK, well stated and by someone who knows what he is talking about.
Personally, I think it's a military decision that needs to be made by the military. The professionals know the best methods for keeping order and moral. Quite frankly, if gays need to be recognized as gay in the military, they are to interested in themselves as individuals and not interested enough in the unit.
that Brent is an expert in gay porn.
H/T HotAir.
Clinton rode the economic bullrush into the information age. No tax increase was going to stop that freight train. The boom was coming, in spite of any liberal attempt to squash it.
Doing good BK, yourself? Come over to the room, got a couple of nice ladies over here. :-)
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