The Collected Stupid and Lies of the Stupid Lying Garlock Troll.
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1. I suppose the US never committed any holocausts, did they? Hiroshima...Nagasaki...the Civil War... --- The blog topic was the Holocaust. Equated the Holocaust (Capital H - the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II) with the noun holocaust (small h - a mass slaughter of people)
2. I didn't bring up the word holocaust... --- Yes. He did. The blog topic was the Holocaust. He brought up the lower case h word holocaust.
3. "self-reliance, a strong national defense, private property rights, and The Second Amendment" are exclusively conservative ideals? --- SickofLibs: All four together? Yes.
a. I'm just saying liberals are for those things too, most liberals anyway.
b. His proof that liberals are the same as conservatives - a link to a description of Classical Liberals.
4. ...health care reform isn't a "government takeover of 1/6 of the economy." --- No, it is designed to drive private health insurance out of business leaving government to be the only game in town.
5. I will believe PolitiFact's objectivity over Newsbusters' any day of the week. --- Then why post here?
6. "Classical" liberalism still counts as "liberalism".
7. ...you seem to mash all forms of liberalism together... --- Directly contradicts Item 6.
8. You're the one that cited both definitions of liberalism. --- Confuses the word contrast with definition
9. Congratulations on being so annoying and frustrating to talk to. --- sez the Stupid Lying Garlock Troll.
10. ...the percentage of people favoring health care reform has been growing, while the number opposing has been falling... --- Picks the one poll out of dozens listed on a page that ran counter to every other poll.
11. You...cherry-picked parts of my response to make it seem twisted... --- Kinda like how he cherry picked one poll out of dozens?
12. I haven't lied once in this thread. --- Liars sure do like to proclaim they don't lie, don't they?
13. You busted me ZERO times --- I listed 8 times in response. Suddenly somebody got apoplectic and cursy.
14. Still claiming ObamaCare won't increase the deficit.
15. Claims 95-97% consensus among climate scientists that global warming is real and caused by man-made activity. - LIE. ...close examination of the source of the claimed 97% consensus reveals that it comes from a non-peer reviewed article describing an online poll in which a total of only 79 climate scientists chose to participate. Of the 79 self-selected climate scientists, 75 agreed with the notion of AGW.
16. .Claims ..rising global temperatures has an effect on weather volatility/unpredictability.. --- LIE - Noel Sheppard already debunk that Newsweek article.
17. Claims ...the news has recently come out that 2010 was the hottest year on record... --- LIE - ...NASA’s chief temperature trickster, James Hansen, issued a press release... ... If they relied solely on satellite data, which accurately covers the entire planet, 2010 would not top the list.
18. Quotes from the Economist that says the 12 hottest years have been since 1997. --- Guess who is using the same bogus data from James Hansen. Awww. How did you know?
19. Claims the Climategate scientist have been cleared. -- MRC - ClimateGate 'Whitewash' Helps 'Clear' Scientists, U.S., International Media Claim
20. Claims only 6% of scientists self-identify as Republican and 9% as Conservative --- Does that pass the smell test boys and girls? IT DOE'N'T. --- ...important fine print -- specifically that the scientists that it surveyed were all members of the AAAS. I do not have detailed demographics information, but based on my experience I would guess that AAAS membership is dominated by university and government scientists. The opinion poll thus does not tell us much about US scientists as a whole, but rather something about one scientific institution -- AAAS. And the poll indicates that AAAS is largely an association that does not include Republicans.
21. Cut & Paste While there are isolated cases of growing glaciers, the overwhelming trend in glaciers worldwide is retreat. In fact, the global melt rate has been accelerating since the mid-1970s. --- So, to sum, glaciers are, overall retreating. However, laying that on climate change exclusively would be inaccurate. That makes it encouraging, because it implies that there are manageable ways to halt the retreat of glaciers. --- Danbo schools the liar.
21. Nonresponse. Free Stinker schools the liar on Global Warming.
22. Doubles down on his claim Climategate scientists were cleared. --- dbo schools him - I wonder if any of the "insevtigations" were a whitewash? Rhetorical question.
23. ..respect and understanding of science, which is something that is definitely lacking among most conservatives/Republicans today... --- And yet those same conservative/Republicans factcheck the SLGT time after time.
24. Insult ...conservative circle-jerk...
25. Scientist that disagree with AGW usually hold less expertise and have fewer credentials. --- That study he links to? ...piece of twaddle... -...one of the most meaningless papers I have ever seen... - Farce - ...poorly done...
26. ...Republicans...what have they done regarding jobs so far... - Republicans had been sworn in to the new Congress a scant 3 week when this statement was made.
27. ...still have yet to address the jobs issue or introduce/enact any jobs legislation... (referring to the 112th Congress) --- Yeah, let's all hold hands, poop butter, and legislate jobs into existence. That is how it works in the Stupid Lying Garlock Troll's world.
28. ...jobs were lost in 2009...the consequences of the previous Administration... --- Presidents actually have little impact on the economy.
29. Stupid By "Administration" I'm generally referring to government as a whole. --- Presidential Administration refers to the Executive Branch not the entire government.Stupid Lying Garlock Troll redefines another word.
30. ...Fannie and Freddie weren't a major part, nor all, of the problem (referring to the housing bubble during the Bush Administration that included everyone in the U.S government)
31. I'm trashing them..haven't even introduced anything yet that could even have an effect in the future. --- Referring to a Congress that just sworn in a scant 3 weeks ago.
32. Personal LIE ...your, and your fellow conservatives, claims be about how Obama is ruining the economy and America through his socialism... --- I have said no such thing.
33. So then, stuff like "Poll: Majority of Republicans believe Obama is a 'socialist'" --- Presents a poll from a company Markos Moulitsas is suing because they LIE.
34. ...wasting time relitigating everything that happened over the past couple years... (referring to the 112th Congress efforts to strike down the ObamaCare law) --- I link to WSJ op/ed's that show that time is not wasted.
35. Karl Rove is a habitual liar and is not respected.
36, The Economist and the Kaiser Family Foundation (are respected) --- Both are liberal in outlook.
37. The Economist and the Kaiser Family Foundation are not liberal. You know how we know? It says so on the About page of their website. --- My About page sez I am a stud that has pleasured 25,000 women making 24,999 squeal with delight. You guys believe that too?
38. Stupid Do you have all of his statements saved? If so, can you copy/paste them word for word? --- Asking if I have the lies of j. frank wilson saved, all 133 of them.
39. ...Bush IS a liar, he lied about the Iraq war and the reasons we entered into it. --- His proof is an article from Charles Lewis, a known liar to Newsbusters. He second link is from a guy named Charles Scheer, a guy that has been making money off the Bush Lied meme right from the beginning and is a 9/11 truther.
40. The Republican-held Congress declared war on Iraq under the misinformation from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. --- I debunked this one here - Liberal Lies- President Bush lied to Congress to get us into Iraq. Truth - He did not.
55. Claims Mr. Sammon, an editor of Fox News, admitted to lying --- Proof? None provided.
55.1 I clearly explained how he lied. Hell, he says it himself that he lied! --- Saying you say you already said what you said when you said it. Now constitutes proof.
56. Claims Mr. Sammon believes President Obama is a socialist --- Proof? None provided.
56.1 That sounds like he's calling him a socialist to me. --- Finally admits it is purely his opinion based on what sounds like. Well, that does constitute proof in trollietown.
57. His belief that Obama is a socialist has permeated large sections of America and has resulted in large consequences, politically and economically. --- Referring to Mr. Sammon's belief. Proof? None provided.
57.1 ...when they try and make major changes in economic policy and make tens of billions of dollars in cuts... --- His evidence of LARGE consequences. Cutting the budget by .8 percent.
58. Fox News heavily promoted the Tea Party --- Oh is that registered as a political party now?
59. ...millions of other conservatives who take cues from Fox... --- Boy, what did those poor conservatives do prior to 1996. Lost in the wilderness I guess.
60. Almost all of these people, especially Tea Partiers, believe that Obama is a socialist --- Yep. Almost all of them? Proof? None provided.
60.1 His supposed proof. 3 Links. One to a poll that gave people poor choices. A 2nd one to a poll of ALL voters. The 3rd, a Kos poll that showed all the Republicans believes President Barack Obama is a “socialist” who was not born in this country, should be impeached, wants the terrorists to win and only won the 2008 election because ACORN “stole” it for him.
61. Stupid. --- Republicans and the Tea Party have a very different economic perspective/agenda than Obama and Democrats --- Oh golly. Really troll? Does my car get wet when it rains? Do trolls waste keystrokes pointing out the obvious?
62. ...the constant refrain from Fox and conservatives that Obama is a socialist... --- constant refrain. Proof? None provided.
62.1 .There is NO NEED for me to prove that, unless you simply haven't turned on the TV in the past few years. Why don't YOU prove that they don't? --- Yes. That is how it works. You make an accusation aliens walk among us. The other guy has to prove they don't.
63. ...the constant refrain from Fox and conservatives that Obama is a socialist and taking the country in the wrong direction significantly decreases confidence. ---- Proof? Chart? Anything at all that would prove the tiniest smidgeon of truth there? None provided.
64. ...you think he's not lying because what he said was true... --- Common SLGT tactic. Stupid Lying Garlock Troll, the troll that reads your mind.
This latest batch you have here is completely worthless. Not one of them is a lie nor stupid. "Proof? None provided." I sure as hell provided proof, you just choose not to accept it.
Stupid forgets I linked back to the original Lies and Stupid. Yes. Stupid Lying Garlock Troll. People can click back and see you make accusation after accusation with no proof at all.
Whoops. Stupid admits he is a LIAR --- This latest batch... Not one of them is a lie nor stupid. --- As opposed to the many before that ARE lies and stupid?
You don't even see adults very often do you, let alone interact with one.
Once again, I have to point out to a lying troll. Someone calls me a liar, I will spank him so hard with the truth, by sourcing to 20, 30, 40 links showing I am telling the truth, it will be plain to all but little lying sissy trolls EXACTLY who is telling the truth. But yeah, little trollie, all you got is the false bravado of telling everyone the truth is the truth because the lying little trollie says it is the truth. Guess what lying little trollie, if it is the truth, someone smarter, more famous, more important, or more powerful than you will have said it. Now source it like you got a pair you lying sissy instead of acting the little parrot troll you are.
I have linked to something like 66 of your Lies and Stupid here. And not once, NOT ONCE, have you ever, EVER, linked to someone with a real name and real reputation to protect that says the same thing you have. EVER. So you act like every lying sissy troll that has been banned for cause and act like you got something over on someone. MmmmmKay?
"Whoops. Stupid admits he is a LIAR --- This latest batch... Not one of them is a lie nor stupid. --- As opposed to the many before that ARE lies and stupid?"
It's good to see the old "lying by omission" fallacy still alive and well. Good work there.
That's fine that you have it linked back to each of my comments. If people are interested in seeing exactly what I said, I'm all for that, because I have faith they'll see who's truly correct and who is just a grumpy old man.
Updated my list of lying stupid trolls above. Looks like my track record improved a bit with the banning of j. frank wilson. That leaves just you and one other troll.
Who do you think you are winning over by coming here with lie after lie? You are nothing but a lying little idiot troll. It is all you are. It is all you will ever be until the day the Admins get tired of tolerating you.
41. ...health coverage and pensions... ...the benefits that everybody thinks the government is giving them "for free" are actually deferred wages to the worker. --- benefits & compensation are not deferred wages.
41.1 ...to receive something later on and in a different form... --- Thought the troll said they are ACTUALLY deferred wages. Whoops.
41.2 I suppose I should have said "deferred compensation" instead of "deferred wages". --- Troll admits he lied.
41.3 But wait. He linked early on to an article that SAID THE SAME THNG --- Here is a more detailed account of how that works. --- No. "deferred wages" was intentional. It came from his linked article - Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan.
42. I clearly said.... --- No. He said "I don't know..." and "I suppose..." and ended with sentence containing a double negative.
43. I'm busy, you know, "living my life"... --- Not too busy to bring lie after lie. Answering up for them, well, you know, busy, busy, busy...
44. ...both private and public worker never only receive the... --- "never only"? What kind of idiot talks like this?
45. ...continue giving the rich and corporations even more breaks. -- The U.S. has the second highest combined corporate tax rate and one of the highest effective corporate tax rates among developed countries.
46.1 His prooof of the lower effective tax rate, an article on how google cut it's OVERSEAS taxes.
47. Here's the WSJ which you so love to read... --- The supposed WSJ link? A link to Smartmoney.com article.
47.1 His answer when his lie is pointed out - SmartMoney is part of the Wall Street Journal Digital Network... --- He didn't say that, did he? He said Here's the WSJ not WSJ Digital Network.
48. Brings a lie from CBPP (and calls it CBBP) that says the U.S corporate tax burden is lower than the average for developed nations. --- I link to an article that shows - Properly measured, there is no evidence that U.S. corporations face low rates of tax relative to other OECD countries.
49. Typical troll game - Why should I listen to your sources if you totally disregard mine? --- We don't disregard it's sources, WE PROVE THEM WRONG. Troll's disregard the truth.
50. The insurance they receive and the corresponding premiums that must be paid for those plans ... it's deferred to a later date when (if) they actually need it. --- Fails to understand how insurance works.
50.1 My point is... --- Typical troll game. The troll couldn't make his point the first time? It's point only comes out after being caught in a Stupid or Lie.
51. ...insurance is basically socialism... --- Still fails to understand what insurance is. This troll claims to have an Economics Degree.
51.1 What I mean to say is... --- Yeah, couldn't mean to say that the first time. Meanings to say and my point is always pop out after the troll gets busted in a lie.
52. People can pay premiums...but the benefits they receive...are often much higher than what they put in. --- Still fails to understand how insurance works.
53. ...the EPI ... and Rutgers professor Jeffrey Keefe published a study showing that...comparable workers are undercompensated by 4.8%. --- (public union workers) WSJ - These studies are misleading. More like overcompensated by 30%.
54. Your entire argument rests on your belief that nobody should believe the EPI at all for anything... --- Complete out and out lie.
54.1 You ridicule my citation of an EPI study --- I did no such thing up to that point.
54.2 How is that not saying you think the EPI is wrong and the WSJ piece's authors are right... --- Not his original claim is it?
I'm honored, Vet! How sweet of you!
Don't even try to prove you were telling the truth in those lies. You are nothing but a lying sissy that slinks off when he gets busted in a lie.
Here you are anonymous and you can't tell the truth. You are a coward and a sissy just like every other prolific liar here. You think anonymity gives you cover to lie. You fancy yourself special but there has been dozens of little sissy trolls before you and there will be plenty after.
Don't even bother trying to say I was wrong on any one of your lies. You can't. Slink off just like every other little sissy troll. j. frank wilson. 007memo. goldbar. Leon.
Just like every lying sissy troll that won't back up or even face their lies.
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Update to #20
20. Claims only 6% of scientists self-identify as Republican and 9% as Conservative --- Does that pass the smell test boys and girls? IT DOE'N'T. --- ...important fine print -- specifically that the scientists that it surveyed were all members of the AAAS. I do not have detailed demographics information, but based on my experience I would guess that AAAS membership is dominated by university and government scientists. The opinion poll thus does not tell us much about US scientists as a whole, but rather something about one scientific institution -- AAAS. And the poll indicates that AAAS is largely an association that does not include Republicans.
20.1 ...just because you work for a university or the government doesn't make you a de facto liberal/Democrat. There are plenty of university faculty who are conservative, just as there are plenty of people who work in the government that are conservative --- Had nothing to do with his lie he brought here from somewhere else.
20.2 I'm also not sure how my subsequent qualification that not all university faculty/government workers are liberal is a lie like you say it is. --- I never said this was a lie.
67. ...one of the most influential Republican leaders of this country makes heavily misleading claims... --- (talking about Speaker Boehner) Proof? None provided.
67.1 Speaker Boehner's claim/tweet is misleading because it only refers to...... --- A tweet is limited to 140 characters. The idiot thinks you can send books.
68. Because I've cited sources in the past, that means everything I write has come from someplace else. You're right, there's no fallacy there... --- I said he brings lies from somewhere else. Unsourced lies. WE have to find out where the lies come from. He cited nothing in is lies.
69. Aren't there tons of conservative outrage over comparative effectiveness research? --- Huh? Why yes ConfusoBoy, it is a frequent topic among conservatives, how did you know?
70. ...when he couldn't come up with the money privately to pay for it himself, he didn't get the liver. Sounds like being denied medical care to me, doesn't it? --- Referring to a man that tried to jump to the head of the line, couldn't pay for it, then had to go back in line waiting for a transplant. He was expected to live at least 2 more years waiting for a new liver. Waiting for a transplant from a compatible donar is NOT being denied medical care.
71. During Obama's first year in office, the budget that was in place was the 2009 budget, which was set by the previous Congress and Administration. --- From my link --- ...House Democrats combined the nine Fiscal Year (FY) 2009 appropriations bills that Congress failed to pass at the end of 2008 into a single price tag of $410 billion, the omnibus bill... President Obama signed it Mar 10, 2009.
71.1. Double Down --- ...CBO did give a report before Obama was inaugurated that projected the FY 2009 deficit to be $1.2 trillion, and that was before the omnibus bill. --- Par for the Course: Part of the projected 2009 deficit of $1.186 trillion included part of the $700 billion for Tarp, which Obama voted for as a Senator. The first $350 billion was made available when the bill was signed, but the second $350 billion had to pass the Senate for the funds to be available, after Obama became President.
72. ...PP already cannot, by law, use federal funds for abortion services... - LIE. Obamcare never prohibited abortion funding. It’s a matter of administrative discretion.
73. ...if Executive Orders are meaningless, then why have numerous other presidents used them? --- I mentioned ONE executive order. The LIAR changed it to make it look like I dismissed all of them.
73.1 Tries to claim his lie is vindicated because I linked to an article that states executive orders do not trump actual law AFTER busting him is the original lie.
74. Vet gets upset at me... --- Trollies sure do have a lock on the emotional state of others don't they?
75. ...I DO present initial bona fides, links, and sources that are free of misstatements, errors, and flat out falsehoods. --- Yeah. 74 lies and stupid already documented. Not a single one shown to be in error with a valid source and many were outright lies brought from somewhere else. But trollies sure do like to claim they got the bona fides don't they?