USNews Columnist: Dems 'Must' Keep Census Political -- 'Gerrymander and Gender-mander Away!'

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Bonnie Erbe, a columnist and blogger for U.S.News and World Report, is keen to make sure that Democrats continue to cheat on re-districting as much as possible. She is insisting that Democrats not fall for a bi-partisan or a fair approach to re-districting and says that the Census should stay "politicized" because, after all, it’s Democrats in power now! So, as far as she is concerned, the Democrats should "gerrymander away" and absolutely demands that the Census should be politicized.

Erbe writes that she wants to "gender-mander" the Census for "feminist leaders" and wants to make sure that "hispanics and Latinos" aren't "under-counted." She claims the Census is "part of the spoils of victory" and wants her lefties to be able to wield that power. She says that the Democrats should "spare us the theatrics of trying to look nonpartisan." So, the Dems should continue to cynically use the Census merely for partisan political purposes.

So much for the new tone in Washington, eh?

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Erbe calls it "un-American not to gerrymander, as if the simple fact that it has gone on so long makes it OK. Apparently she is unaware that gerrymandering was not a concept that was born with the Constitution and country, but was only invented later. "Gerrymandering" is a term made up by the cynical patchworking of a voting district intended to benefit a particular party. It was originally created in Massachusetts in 1812 when Elbridge Gerry re-engineered a Boston district strictly for his party’s benefit.

As a conservative, I am all for tradition. But not everything that has gone on for over a hundred years is good. After all, should mere age protect anything from change then we'd still have chattel slavery in this country today. Somehow, I doubt Erbe would think slavery is a time honored tradition!

Unfortunately, Erbe seems not to care what the national Census was supposed to be used for. Originally is was to be a strict counting for purposes of representation in Congress not a power grab used to warp districts for partisan political gain.

The Census is required by the U.S. Constitution in the following clauses:

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. (14th Amendment alteration of original clause)... The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such manner as they shall by Law direct. (As originally stated in Article 1, Section 2)

But, Erbe wants to stick with a cynical and unfair warping of the system and it can only be because that warping will benefit her favorite party this time.

In her piece Erbe talks about what is un-American. I'd say that not to want to right a wrong is un-American. Wouldn’t you?

But wait. If Erbe was at least always against bipartisanship and solidly for power politics, we could at least give her kudos for her consistency. Unfortunately, she has in the past longed for it as a palliative for what ails us.

Not long ago, Erbe was bemoaning the loss of wonderful bipartisanship and pinned for its return. But, then, those were the days when a president Bush sat in the White House. Typical of hypocritical lefties, Erbe wants bipartisanship when her favorites are out of power, but wants it done away with when her party is in power. Of course, that’s not really bipartisanship, is it?

And with Erbe as a perfect example of the dissembling and double dealing from the left, she wonders why Republicans are not too keen on any bipartisanship themselves?

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Wacko

The words "jounalist" and "wacko" are synonyms.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

You can...

You can throw "hypocrite" in there, too.

You beat me to it,

You beat me to it, Warner.

I was about to post:

Hypocrisy, thy name is "Liberal."

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Wow - they're not even

Wow - they're not even trying to hide their goals and methods anymore. I guess her next column will be titled "I Am a Whacked Out Hypocritical Idiot Liberal". 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Impressive....

All of this really does just keep getting better every day.  I guess that I should realize that I'm old enough not to be "shocked and awed" by some of this breathtakingly brazen BS, but DAMN!  Let the monkeys loose in the zoo....see what you get.  And yeah, I just said monkeys.  Don't care if you're offended.

Exactly how does one

Exactly how does one Gerrymader the census?  You can collect data which can be later used to Gerrymander but what exactly are we talking about?  Now we can adulterate the data as it is collected by using a number of methods including statiscal sampling.  Sampling has its own ills because it depends on asumptions and false models.  We could get ACORN to do census work as their facilitaors are most likely out of work.

Just think how many Cowboy players would live in the DC area.

Persoanlly I believe we should take a census of people teh old fashioned way, no no cheating, just count heads as the Constitution says.  If one of tehm gets lost then they dont count.  Then for represenation we should just cut the USA into equal squares and whatever comes comes.  That would be fair and equal.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Exactly how does one

Exactly how does one Gerrymader the census?  You can collect data which
can be later used to Gerrymander but what exactly are we talking
about?  Now we can adulterate the data as it is collected by using a
number of methods including statiscal sampling.

I think that's exactly what Erbe means.  Use sampling and "estimating" of the homeless and possibly illegals to bump the numbers up to require more representatives in Congress.Then re-draw the districts to favor Democrats.

Oh, wait!!  Wasn't that what they initiated prosecution of Tom Delay for???

Surely they wouldn't engage in the same illegal activity for which they excoriated a Republican!!

\sarc

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Illegals

Illegal aliens certainly will be counted, and I believe always have. The Constitution simply calls for 'residents' to be counted. Green card legal residents, student visas etc also get counted, who can't vote. There have been proposals in Congress over the years to clarify who gets counted, but nothing has really changed.

You can approximate the effect of leaving them out or in, and studies have done this. I'd say that the calculations favor Republicans if you leave the illegals in, but it's not black and white. Republicans stand to gain in any case because the census is likely to show more growth in the sunbelt.

When I mentioned Tom Delay,

When I mentioned Tom Delay, I was talking about gerrymandering, not illegals.

Also,

I'd say that the calculations favor Republicans if you leave the illegals in,  -slickwillie2001

I disagree. It's an ongoing delusion of Republicans that Latinos will vote Republican.  History shows that they are trending Democrat. Hence the call by "even Republicans" to  lighten up on immigration issues.  It's a vain attempt to keep some of them.  But it won't happen, because no one can outpander the Democrats on entitlement issues, which will become dear to the hearts of the newly-legal Latinos.

<Ducks head anticipating "Racist" accusation>

(Not necessarily from you)

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Re Tom Delay

Two separate and distinct issues and processes here, the raw count run by the feds, and the gerrymandering process run by the states.

In the federal raw census count for instance, leaving the illegals in means a gain of a couple of Congress seats for Texas, because there are so many illegals there. Leave out the illegals and seat gains move to states with growth but fewer illegals. Yet of course those illegals don't vote. (Texas still gains, but gains fewer seats.)

What the states that gain seats and draw their own Congressional districts do with those new seats is up to them. If the state is Republican run, Republicans might gain safe Republican seats. If the state is democratic, democratics will certainly find a way to make those new seats reliably democratic.

In studying the effect, the results tend to be bent or swamped by people migrating to the sunbelt, so no matter what happens I see generally-Republican sunbelt/South states gaining seats. 

So now if you are Rahm Emanuel, the push is going to be not simply to count illegals, though they will advertise it that way. They will try and count illegals only where it benefits them, like CA and NY and IL, etc, and NOT count illegals where it benefits Republicans, like TX and FL.

Who actually shows up to vote is a separate issue. If Texas gets those new seats the illegals don't vote, so they stay Republican if the districts are not fiddled with too much. In Florida their new seats are partly due to Northerners migrating, and they vote, sometimes twice, so they could tip the state democratic overall. But that could happen regardless of the census.

This is why both parties in DC and the 50 states have computer programmers running this stuff and deciding what they do, it's insane number-crunching.

We are going to have to

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Florida has been inching more Democratic; probably because of the aging population and constant scare tactics about Republicans destroying Social Security.  For the general trend, the Pew Hispanic Center has it graphed.

And regarding your claim that

if Texas gets those new seats the illegals don't vote,

I'd say you're being amazingly optimistic.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Re the illegals

Maybe I should have said 'the illegals don't vote' at present and if they do get the vote it will be by a process distinct from the census and district-drawing. Of course the democratics are also working on plans to give them amnesty and an eventual vote, that is certain.

Re Florida, I have been wondering lately what happened to AARP and the seniors, who lose big from inflation, higher taxes on dividends and capital gains, the loss of mortgage deductibility, etc. The AARP played a big part in past elections but in 2008 they went quiet. Now, as those on fixed-incomes stand to lose big, still quiet.

erbe

Do you think ACORN will be involved in census taking?During the Bush years, weren't these the same SOBs that were concerned about an all powerful White House? Bad when Bush was actually protecting the country successfully, Good when the Obamamarxists want to control reapportionment and all the other uses of census data. How do Marxists end partianship? They marginalize/eliminate the competiton.  How else do you explain such a coordinated attack on a private citizen?

Just a wild guess, but I'm

Just a wild guess, but I'm thinking she would say its racist to count illegals along with "hispanics and latinos"?

And since when are "feminists" a demographic? 

And even if feminists are a

And even if feminists are a demographic, do they tend to live together in certain sections of cities and towns, as Blacks or Latinos do?

There is simply no way to re-draw a district to include more feminists.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

"Erbe writes that she wants

"Erbe writes that she wants to "gender-mander" the Census for
"feminist leaders" and wants to make sure that "hispanics and Latinos"
aren't "under-counted." She claims the Census is "part of the spoils of
victory" and wants her lefties to be able to wield that power. She says
that the Democrats should "spare us the theatrics of trying to look
nonpartisan." So, the Dems should continue to cynically use the Census
merely for partisan political purposes.

So much for the new tone in Washington, eh?"

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....amazing.

I am honestly sitting here after reading this and I am completely stupefied by this arrogance and brazen elitism only possible through the liberal party.

When are we going to march on DC and shake the very foundations of our country and this audacious Democratic Party? 

For me, this is the straw that has indeed broken this camel's back.  The time for debate and seeking to reason out our nation's problems is over.  Words will not solve our issues.

Long Live the Republic.

 

 

F**K Socialism.

 

I think this Harpie will

I think this Harpie will have to pick a number and step to the right when it comes to the Census...ol' Raum Emmanuel (he sure doesn't live up to his name) has "dibs" on the Census and the manipulation thereof.

I swear, the Liberals remind me of a bucket of eels writhing around on top of each other in DC.  It's truly grotesque.

I'm not even sure how

I'm not even sure how effective gerrymandering is.  I've never read anything definitive about it, but I suppose there's something to it or they (both parties) wouldn't bother.

Just musing here, but it would have been better if early on departments composed of various counties based upon geography and economics would have been made up of groups of counties in the various states and those would be the Congressional districts.

An interesting additional layer would be to have those Congressional districts overlap states!  Wonder how that would work out?

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.