AP's Babington Can't Understand Why Anyone Would Think Obama Doesn't Support 'Backburner Issue' of 2nd Amendment Rights
In covering GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's appearance at the annual National Rifle Association convention in St. Louis yesterday, Associated Press aka Adminstration's Press reporter Charles Babington pretended to know nothing about President Barack Obama's opposition to basic Second Amendment rights. At least I hope he was pretending, because Obama's hostility to the right to keep and bear arms is longstanding, well-known, and did not stop when he swore an oath to "protect and defend the Constitution" on January 20, 2009.
I have excerpted Babington's first four paragraphs plus three others. I will follow that with a rundown of Obama's pre-2008 gun-hostile record, his meeting with the Brady group in May 2011, and this "little" thing called Operation Fast and Furious Babington and his establishment media colleagues have mostly deliberately ignored for well over a year (bolds are mine throughout this post; HT to a frequent emailer):
Story Continues Below Ad ↓Romney: Obama will erode the rights of gun owners
The presidential campaign briefly veered from the emotional Mommy Wars on Friday to the back-burner issue of gun rights, with Mitt Romney telling the National Rifle Association that President Barack Obama is not protecting gun owners - even though the topic has rarely arisen during his time in office.
Without offering details, Romney said that Obama would like to erode gun owners' rights.
"We need a president who will enforce current laws, not create new ones that only serve to burden lawful gun owners," Romney told thousands of NRA members in St. Louis for their annual convention. "President Obama has not. I will."
Obama has said relatively little about firearms, deeply disappointing gun-control groups. Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said the president's record "makes clear the he supports and respects the Second Amendment, and we'll fight back against any attempts to mislead voters."
... Asked for details to support the claims, Romney's campaign said Obama has appointed judges, including Supreme Court Justices Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, who have supported moves such as placing temporary limits on importing semiautomatic assault weapons. The campaign said Attorney General Eric Holder has not adequately backed people's rights to own and use firearms.
But gun-control groups such as the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence have expressed dismay over the lack of attention to their concerns. In its most recent assessment, in 2010, the group flunked on Obama on all seven issues it deemed important.
Campaigning in 2008, Obama said: "I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. ... There are some commonsense gun safety laws that I believe in. But I am not going to take your guns away."
Well, Charles, if it's "details" you want, details you'll get.
Here is a rundown of Obama's gun-hostile history which I posted in late October 2008 by reference to a more complete rundown prepared by the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action:
- Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.
- Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.
- He voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.
- He has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.
- Obama also supports local gun bans in Chicago and other cities.
- Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.
- Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.
- Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.
- Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.
- Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping, one-gun-a-month sales restrictions, a ban on inexpensive handguns, gun owner licensing and gun registration, and mandatory waiting periods.
- Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.
My post also notes that Babington's then-colleague Nedra Pickler wrote in February 2008, with no sense of irony, that Obama "said he does not intend to take away people’s guns," but "voiced support for the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns." But after the Supreme Court's Heller ruling overturning the DC ban in late June, Obama said "he supports the decision."
My post goes reference another very important and less-known matter, namely that Obama worked with a group which conspired to create the artificial appearance of legal scholar-based opposition to Second Amendment rights, and almost succeeded:
During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun “grassroots” organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship.
The plan’s objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.
Joyce’s directors found a vulnerable point. When judges cannot rely upon past decisions, they sometimes turn to law review articles. Law reviews are impartial, and famed for meticulous cite-checking. They are also produced on a shoestring. Authors of articles receive no compensation; editors are law students who work for a tiny stipend.
In 1999, midway through Obama’s tenure, the Joyce board voted to grant the Chicago-Kent Law Review $84,000, a staggering sum by law review standards. The Review promptly published an issue in which all articles attacked the individual right view of the Second Amendment.
(The Review) solicited only articles hostile to the individual right view of the Second Amendment. ….. Joyce had bought a veto power over the review’s content.
….. The plan worked smoothly. One court, in the course of ruling that there was no individual right to arms, cited the Chicago-Kent articles eight times.
….. The Joyce Foundation board (which still included Obama) ….. expand(ed) its attack on the Second Amendment. Its next move came when Ohio State University announced it was establishing the “Second Amendment Research Center” as a thinktank headed by anti-individual-right historian Saul Cornell. Joyce put up no less than $400,000 to bankroll its creation.
….. The Center proceeded to generate articles denying the individual right to arms.
….. The Joyce directorate’s plan almost succeeded. The individual rights view won out in the Heller Supreme Court appeal, but only by 5-4. The four dissenters were persuaded in part by Joyce-funded writings, down to relying on an article which misled them on critical historical documents.
If that's not enough for Mr. Babington, let's look at a May 2011 example of Obama stealth (HT Hot Air) which seems to run in the same vein as his promise to Russia's Medvedev that he'll have more flexibility" after winning reelection (internal links were in original):
While the Obama administration said it is committed to gun rights, a gun control advocate has spilled the beans, saying Obama is using stealth to work on firearms restrictions.
The Washington Post did a story on Steve Croley, the White House gun control czar. Croley is considered to be an expert on regulation and tort law. His approach to gun control appears to be a regulatory one.
According to the article, Jim and Sarah Brady visited Capital Hill on March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan; to push for a ban on "large magazines."
The couple reportedly were meeting with press secretary, Jay Carney, when, according to Sarah Brady, the President came in. She said the President told her he wanted to talk about gun control and "fill us in that it was very much on his agenda."
She went on to say Obama told her, "I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
The statement reinforces an article in the Huffington Post describing how the administration is exploring ways to bypass Congress and enact gun control through executive action.
The Department of Justice reportedly is holding meetings discussing the White House's options for enacting regulations on its own or through adjoining agencies and departments. "Administration officials said talk of executive orders or agency action are among a host of options that President Barack Obama and his advisers are considering. "
I guess Mr. Babington might be able to claim that he wasn't really lying when he wrote that the topic of gun control "has rarely arisen," and that "Obama has said relatively little." But, as just seen, at least one time when the topic arose and Obama said something, it was to make the point that he is "working on" gun control.
Finally, a bit on Fast and Furious from Darrell Issa, who also spoke at the NRA convention, as relayed by Katie Pavlich at Townhall, including its relationship to the administration's just-described gun control goals:
Entering the Edward Jones arena to an applauding audience at the NRA Annual Convention in downtown St. Louis Friday, Congressman Darrell Issa made it clear his congressional investigation into the Operation Fast and Furious scandal isn’t going away until the Obama Justice Department comes clean.
“The investigation of Operation Fast and Furious will not end until the full truth is exposed to every American,” Issa said, adding senior officials at the Department of Justice will be held accountable for the lethal program, including Attorney General Eric Holder.
“Eric Holder’s contempt for Congress and his failure to comply will not go unanswered, and you can count on me,” Issa said as a woman yelled, “Thank you!”
... Issa also touched on the motivations behind Operation Fast and Furious and how liberal Democrats in Congress have reacted to revelations in the scandal.
“Fast and Furious can be seen as nothing else but a needless attack on our right to keep and bear arms,“ Issa said. “When the facts began to come out about Fast and Furious, no surprise, Democrats in Washington, immediately seized on the opportunity to talk about the need for additional gun control laws.”
For months, I have been stressing the importance of understanding Operation Fast and Furious was not a “botched” program or an accident. Instead, DOJ officials made calculated decisions to allow some of the most ruthless criminals in the world to help themselves to American guns, while throwing law abiding gun dealers under the bus.
The bottom line for Charles Babington is that Mitt Romney is right. He either should know this and doesn't, making him extraordinarily ignorant, or he does know it and won't acknowledge it. All in all, it's just another typical Obama-supportive report from the Adminstration's Press.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
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Well, Tom, who are you going
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:06pm.
Well, Tom, who are you going to believe, Babington or the lying facts?
Liberals know the truth. The facts are a conspiracy.
So, Mitt is talking to the NRA
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:17pm.
What subject did babington expect Mitt to bring up, his favorite cupcake recipe?
The 0 may be ignorant of many things, but he's not stupid. His numbers suck. He wouldn't dare go after the second amendment, at least not in a first term, but he certainly is no fan of it.
Walter Mitty's Second Amendment
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:32pm.
No real need to go after it directly.
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=1874
Gee - maybe it's because he
Submitted by Slyrr on Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:54pm.
Gee - maybe it's because he ORDERED his stooge in the Dept. of Justice (Eric 'gun runner' Holder) to deliberately sell deadly weapons to drug lords in Mexico as part of a scheme to cause deaths that would let them destroy the 2nd Amendment?
As tragic as their screw up was, the fact that they were caught (literally red-handed) was a blessing in disguise. It exposed the criminality and lawlessness of the Obama presidency. Only their corruption and the total enslavement of the liberal media has prevented them from being hung at noon in town square.
Following Orders
Submitted by Huapakechi on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 10:56am.
You do realize that "o"boy had announcement that "90% of the weapons found at gang crime scenes in Mexico were traceable to gun shops in the United States". (U.S. President Barack Obama, in a joint press conference with Mexican president Felipe Calderon, Los Pinos, Mexico City, Mexico, April 16, 2009, echoed or stated previous to obama by clinton, durban, and feinstein)
This statement was then discredited by evidence presented that the 'authorities' had sorted the weapons seized and then ran the serial numbers of those weapons obviously of American manufacture to identify those that had been originally sold in American gun shops.
(Reference: According to Guy Smith’s latest update to his firearm reference book Gun Facts:
The original 90% number was derived from the number of firearms successfully traced, not the total number of firearms criminally used. For 2007-2008, Mexican officials recovered approximately 29,000 firearms from crime scenes and asked for BATFE traces of 11,000. Of those, the BATFE could trace roughly 6,000 of which 5,114 were confirmed to have come from the United States. Thus, 83% of the crime guns recovered in Mexico have not been or cannot be traced to America and the real number is most likely 17%).
Those same authorities carefully ignored the inconvenient fact that the grenades, machine guns, and rocket launchers are never a common item for sale in American weapon stores, and many of the American weapons came from Mexican Army deserters or stolen from the Mexican Army.
The quick and easy method to render the propaganda a veil of 'truth' was to channel weapons from American gun shops to Mexican drug gangs. That is apparently what this administration and its' (in)justice department had set out to do. This resulted in hundreds of Mexicans murdered, at least two government agents killed in the line of duty, and more than a few 'whistleblowers' in the agency charged with the dual role of enforcing the America's byzantine gun laws and facilitating the transfer of weapons to Mexican drug gangs.
Do not think it worth while to proceed by concealing evidence,
for the evidence is sure to come to light.
Bertrand Russsell
Ha
Submitted by dliston on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 12:13am.
I love when media people and journalist admit how dumb and out of touch they are.
This is the standard obama
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 12:42am.
This is the standard obama refrain
1. It is ____________fault.
2. I wasn't aware of______________.
3. I misspoke________________.
4. The racists keep blocking my efforts.
Great article Tom. You need
Submitted by d1carter on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 12:45am.
Great article Tom. You need to send email a copy to Mr. Babington. Of course, he will never acknowledge it. This information does not fit the narrative for the Associated Press. I fear they have become a subversive organization.
Oh my...hide your guns!!!
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 1:02am.
The discussions [within the Justice Department relating to possible action via Executive Order] were meant to build a broad coalition around the elements of reform Obama had outlined a day earlier in an op-ed for the Arizona Daily Star, including stronger state-to-state coordination, expedited background checks and greater enforcement of the laws already on the books, especially with regard to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
Now that's some serious gutting of the Second Amendment. (sarc off)
Jer
Hmmm
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 1:38am.
"...greater enforcement of the laws already on the books,..."
If only he applied that attitude toward immigration laws.
Are you really saying that the 0 is a protector of the second amendment?
RESTLESS...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 1:57am.
If only he applied that attitude toward immigration laws.
The last time I checked he seemed to be doing a pretty good job on that front. I have a Latino friend (US citizen) who, because of his fluency in both Spanish and English, occasionally advises Hispanics/Latinos caught up in the judicial system, and he expresses amazement at the numbers of illegals/undocumented who have either been deported or have left the States voluntarily due to the more aggressive enforcement of immigration law since Obama took office. [The economy has also been a factor.]
Are you really saying that the 0 is a protector of the second amendment?
Yep. At the very least, as President, he hasn't shown any hostility toward it.
Jer
As President, no
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 1:57am.
Before that, yes. As I said elsewhere, (don't remember where), he'd be a fool to visit limitations on the second amendment now, but in a second term, what does he have to lose.
On deportations, as the election season closes in, the drop in deportations is at least, notable.
What does he have to lose?
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 2:11am.
Political capital for starters. Look, he is limited in what he can do by Executive Order. And, as far as legislation, there isn't the political will on the part of congressional Democrats to introduce any significant gun control measures, nor the numbers to pass any bills that might be introduced anyway. And that reality is not likely to change in a second Obama administration, assuming there is one.
Jer
Limited on what he can do by EO's?!
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 9:16am.
I haven't seen any limitation yet. When has Congress or the Judiciary halted an EO, by any president? Citizens. An be detained without trial by EO (I know he wasn't the first, just pointing out what's done by EO).
Excuse me
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 6:10am.
Well the President sure showed some hostility towards the sale of these weapons.
The last time I checked he
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 8:32am.
The last time I checked he seemed to be doing a pretty good job on that front.
Then why are his own Aunt and Uncle openly and flagrantly living out in the open, even though both have been here illegally for years? Why is the Aunt living off the public dole and the Uncle has a provisional driver's license because of his drunk driving charge? Oh yeah, the DL would be a state issue, but they are both examples of how nothing is really changing on enforcement of illegals.
I have a Latino friend (US citizen).....advises Hispanics/Latinos....
You might want to find out if your friend would prefer to be called an American. The people he advises might also want to be addressed with more respect too. Apparently those terms are not as welcomed as the federal gubmint thought when they pigeonholed everyone that speaks Spanish into a voting bloc.
Deportations
Submitted by Huapakechi on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 11:07am.
This unnamed 'latino friend' has not remarked on the 'sanctuary cities' or the ins 'catch and release' programs? Where does he live, by the way? Since the ins is supposedly concentrating on deporting criminals, I would be most careful about associating with this 'friend'. His friends could be hazardous to your health.
Ah, Jer regularly, and automatically, pooh-poohs any ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 2:21am.
talk of an armed rebellion or possible civil war down the line.
He's a lefty, a lawyer, he likes Obama, and, he thinks if things aren't quite peachy-keen right now, it will all work out just fine in the end because:
'Nome sayin' ?
MD
Great...just as I'm leaving, Dean shows up to pick apart
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 2:27am.
everything I've posted since yesterday.
It's slim pickings, Matthew, but please proceed.
G'night.
Jer
Just jerkin' your chain a bit, Jer, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 2:44am.
keeps me out of the bars. :o)
MD
Remember .......
Submitted by Herbster on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 3:31am.
Remember that without the Second Amendment there will be no First Amendment.
From my cold dead fingers, I
Submitted by Rowane on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 4:16am.
From my cold dead fingers, I don't miss.
You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. (Aaron Tippin)
Must be because we're not as
Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 8:10am.
Must be because we're not as smart as he is; he's talking in that high-falutin' "shorthand" of his and we're too dumb to get the "nuance."
It's worse than that
Submitted by Savonarola on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 8:12am.
Pharoah supports a right to kill babies, which is not mentioned in the Constitution, while opposing the right to bear arms, which is expressly mentioned in that same document.
I read this yesterday in the liberal Daily Record
Submitted by Jnoble on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 9:30am.
the line that stood out to me as odd was "Obama has said relatively little about firearms, deeply disappointing gun-control groups".
Really? Gun control groups like the NRA are that cynical that they WANT Obama to propose more laws just so they can scream about it? I doubt that very much.
Obama saying relatively little
Submitted by NVRAT on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 10:39am.
about firearms. Sounds like a good ploy to me. While the public and politicians are fighting or worrying about the other things Obama has or is doing what a better time to work in the backroom. Hillary Clinton has quietly signed the US up to the United Nations directive of banning firearms worldwide, Obama has banned the selling of surplus and outdated military weapons in the US and now sells to China the military spent brass that used to be sold to American ammunition manufacturers for resale as reloaded ammunition to consumers, you bet there are questions. I don`t think the NRA wants him to come-up with any new laws so they can complain they just want him to say where he stands on the second amendment and, he has been abnormally quite about the issue. Given his propensity for using "Presidential Executive Order" and congress has been unable to do anything about it, his past voting record and hate of the Constitution, it stands to reason the deception of not making the second amendment an issue as every anti-gun nut politician in the US has for the last 60 years "IS" cause to worry. This alone is enough to to be weary of Obama and his Administration. A lame Duck president can cause havoc and do much damage in his second term. With everything else in turmoil and the lies and deceptions that he continually puts forth means "Do Not Trust This President".
Obama`s Second Amendement Record
Submitted by NVRAT on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 9:51am.
I don`t know who Babington is but, he or she is obviously a Obama Pecker Puffer. Mr.Blumer has told it as it is in terms of Obama`s firearm voting record prior to his becoming POTUS. The only thing that I can add is Obama also banned the selling of Military Surplus M1 rifles and 1911 Colt hand guns to the public that the military has stored over seas. He also stopped the selling of military spent brass (shell casings) from all military services to local cartridge manufacturers that re used the brass and sell back to firearm users as reloaded ammunition. That brass is now sold to the Chinese at below market prices. In addition he and Hillary Clinton has signed on to the United Nations order to ban firearms world wide. So, the statement was "Obama is coming for your Gun`s" is an accurate assessment by Romney and, definitely backed up by Obama's past record of playing with our second amendment rights. Every body knows what a lame duck president can do when on his second term in office, those things that he promised or did not deal with during his first term can now be put to order and make changes as he sees fit providing that congress does not fight back. We all know Obama`s propensity for by passing congress using "Presidential Executive Order" and so far our illustrious congress has been helpless or does not try to do anything about it. So, I think it is definitely in line to say "Obama is coming for our guns" in one form or another.
Beware America...we live or die on November 6, 2012.
Oh my...hide your guns! Part II
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 3:45pm.
In addition he and Hillary Clinton has signed on to the United Nations order to ban firearms world wide.
Nonsense.
Jer
~You should know better than to link to a far-left source
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 3:51pm.
as if it means more than a spitball in Hades. The APPC gets it's funding through the Annenberg Foundation.
'Nuff said.
Sure, and here's a random sample of its far-left
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 4:12pm.
offerings.
Why not address the issue substantively instead of deflecting with the tedious 'snopes is lefty, politifact is lefty, factcheck is lefty' trope?
Jer
~Perhaps you should look up the meaning of 'trope'
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 4:23pm.
trope
noun
1.Rhetoric
a.any literary or rhetorical device, as metaphor, metonymy, synecdoche, and irony, that consists in the use of words in other than their literal sense.
What I said about the APPC was strictly literal; they are funded by the Annenberg Foundation.
Jer jumps in, once again, to pooh-pooh, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 5:49pm.
and gets poo'd on.
Sin-ek-duh-kee.
Ah luz dat woid.
MD
Check your shoes, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 6:07pm.
You're standing in it.
Jer
Perhaps you should look it up.
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 6:03pm.
b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché <the usual horror movie tropes>
But if you prefer, I'll go with "tripe". It was that, too.
Look, I've been reading about the Annenbergs for years. Walter was a conservative and very prominent in Republican circles for his entire adult life. His wife was likewise a generous benefactor for Republican politicians. He or they established, funded, and headed the Annenberg Foundation until their deaths. Their daughter, who now runs it, is more liberal, gives more to Democrats, but also supports Republicans. The notion that she and the Foundation--and, correlatively, Factcheck--are "far left" is ludicrous.
Jer
Ah, a "fact check" from a lefty, who, while noting that ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 6:16pm.
the Annenbergs are dead and their Foundation is now run by their daughter, who is "more" liberal, gives more to Democrats; somehow manages to consider the playing field leveled because the daughter also 'supports' Republicans.
Lord, you are a funny, funny guy.
Partisan to the max despite your avowed liberal bashing - when convenient to your argument - but funny, nonetheless.
MD
Brace yourself, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 6:25pm.
This may shock you:
"Far leftists" as a rule do not donate thousands of dollars to John Boehner and the RNC.
Jer
What, Jer, you gonna parse this down to ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 6:45pm.
"far leftists"?
Emphasis on far.
"--thousands of dollars"?
Emphasis on thousands.
Day-um.
I am just blown away by the strength of your argument.
If I could spell Pfffffft properly, I would use it in response, as it has about as much substance as your reply.
MD
Textbook case of thread derailment...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 6:55pm.
NVRAT asserts that Obama has signed on to a UN order banning firearms. I challenged that assertion. And you and Bru have taken it completely off the tracks.
Jer
Well, it doesn't exist yet
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 7:08pm.
But he does support it. Problem is it would require amending our Constitution to enforce it here.
Obama is a lying, liberal pos, Jer, so any shots at ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 7:25pm.
him on ANY conservative NB thread, are valid.
Kwitcher whinin'.
MD
True, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 10:29pm.
(about Obama supporting it). But note that it involves international arms trafficking--not domestic gun rights.
Jer
➚ 450 million hollow-points
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 10:35pm.
I'm just sayin'
What exactly are you sayin' about them?
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 11:03pm.
Jer
Cool is saying they purchased hollow bullets; ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 1:48am.
the current administration can't get anything right. :o)
MD
Right, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 2:01am.
And please don't tell me they need such expensive bullets for target practice.
Their efficacy is tearing flesh, nothing else.
Zackly, Cool, and both round nose ammo and ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 2:13am.
wad cutters are far cheaper than hollow points.
MD
I see, Cool. Well, maybe not.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 2:23am.
So the company which has been supplying DHS and ICE with .40 caliber hp ammo has been awarded a contract to continue to supply the same ammo to those same agencies.
And this is significant in relation to the discussions of the UN international arms trafficking treaty and Obama's view of the second amendment in exactly what way?
Jer
➚ That's absolutely rich, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 3:09am.
Not even a blip on the screen, huh?
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." - President Obama
This guy has a way of getting his way, and it is those things we ignore that he's most effective in achieving.
Checked the price of gas lately? Checked out his never-ending sermon of envy against those who build wealth?
You're not resurrecting that old debunked claim
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 3:18am.
that Obama intended to raise and equip his own private civilian army, are you? Why, yes, I believe you are.
For heaven's sake, Cool...you're so damn smart and yet you buy into crap like this. It's mystifying.
Jer
Jer, did, or did not, Baraka
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 3:28am.
Jer, did, or did not, Baraka SAY that he wanted a civilian corps (did he pronouce it correctly???) that was as well-funded and trained as the US military?? Did he............or did he not??? Was I having one of those acid-flashbacks that they told us about back in the 60's????
And given the direction of Homeland Security - I'm thinkin' (Obamasapeak) that is his avenue towards tryin' to do it, since he never really got it together (yet) to put together his own Brown (ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! the RACISM!!!) Shirt brigade.
Yeah, Jer.............call me paranoid - go ahead. But I know that I AM the enemy of the Baraka REGIME!!!
Something like that, killa...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 3:47am.
but it was NEVER contemplated to be an armed paramilitary force.
That was just a wildly exaggerated interpretation and misconstruction of his words. Maybe his words could have been strung together differently and better, but the notion that he was proposing a private army is utterly ridiculous. Heck, if he had really wanted one I doubt he would announce it publicly.
Jer
PS..gotta run..Aloha
Not one whit more mystifying, Jer, than an ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 4:11am.
intelligent, retired lawyer who loves and defends Wiliam Clinton; and feels compelled to overlook the absolute liberal disaster that is Obama and his administration.
Now THAT is mystifying.
MD
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 7:42pm.
"And you and Bru have taken it completely off the tracks."
Hyperbole from Jer? That's a first.
No, no one took anything off the tracks. Bru rightfully called you out on sourcing FactCheck.org, an affiliate of the Annenberg Foundation, and MD slammed you on your attempted spin that AF is essentially not all that left-leaning, focusing on the late Annenbergs and not the living ones. Oh, and this wiki tidbit to get you up to speed (although you likely already were, but you shill for the left around here):
The Annenberg Foundation continues its historic programming focus, but is expanding to include environmental stewardship, social justice, and animal welfare.
Jer earlier:
"The notion that she and the Foundation--and, correlatively, Factcheck--are "far left" is ludicrous."
Those three bolded items -- and especially when looked at cumulatively -- are far / extreme / very / pick-your-adjective left.
- Moroccan Shy
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
Next thing you know, Shy, ol' Jer will be insisting that ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 7:48pm.
Joe Scarborough is a conservative Republican. :o)
MD
For the millionth time, Shy...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 9:55pm.
I NEVER use hyperbole!
Jer
And furthermore, Shy
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 10:04pm.
Animals are people too.
Okay, y'all win. The Annenberg Foundation is obviously run by a bunch of Bolsheviks and Factcheck is just a front for peddling commie propaganda.
Jer
McDonald vs Chicago
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 9:57am.
All that we need to understand, is that the Right to Bear Arms was upheld in this recent Supreme Court Case by just one vote. It's my firm belief that if Obama gets to nominate any more SC justices, our right to bear arms could easily be overturned. The judges that Obama nominates to the federal judiciary will not uphold the 2nd amendment..
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
When Obama said he was
Submitted by ricklail on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 12:10pm.
When Obama said he was working under the radar on gun control did that mean he was looking for another Supreme court justice like Kagan and Sotomajor?
Yes....
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 2:11pm.
Yes, but not as conservative as either of the two.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Leftists Whipping A Dead Horse
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 11:39am.
We will never let you Leftists disarm us. So forget about it.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Outstanding
Submitted by Samaritan01 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 7:27pm.
Well said, no matter what the vote the right to keep and bear arms belongs to us and not the government.
Backburner Issue??
Submitted by Samaritan01 on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 7:13pm.
Only a weak-kneed, slack jawed city dweller would think that the Second Amendment is, or could ever be, a back burner issue. Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt......
➚ Definitely simmering
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sun, 04/15/2012 - 7:25pm.
Give him 4 more years and we will see the unveiling of that "National Security Force" the President let slip early. Homeland Security just bought 450,000,000 hollow-point rounds (for close-range killing).
Empty the prisons of those poor misunderstood drug offenders, and you've got exactly what Bill Ayers longed for - millions of incorrigible patriotic hayseeds wiped out.