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Nir Rosen, Per AP: 'Tweets about Egypt assault (of Lara Logan) not serious'; Did AP See What Happened?

By Tom Blumer | February 17, 2011 | 14:55

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A brief unbylined Associated Press item today with a 9:15 a.m. time stamp, which appears to be based solely on an e-mail to an AP reporter (no other source for the quotes are cited), tells us that Nir Rosen seems to be backtracking from his Twitter claim of being "ashamed of how I have hurt others" in his comments about CBS reporter Lara Logan, who was sexually assaulted by a Cairo mob on February 11.

The report also has an odd final sentence (not in the screen grab which follows) that could reasonably be interpreted as an admission that wire service personnel either saw or knew of what happened to Logan, and failed to report it:

APonNirRosen021711

The wire service describes Rosen as having held "a fellowship at New York University's Center on Law and Security" before he resigned.

In the final paragraph of the report, the AP also seems to be preemptively defending itself against a potential charge of being complicit in covering up the story of Logan's assault, which CBS kept quiet for four days:

The Associated Press does not name victims of sexual assault unless they agree to be identified.

The New York Post and the New York Daily News appear to be the outlets that carried the first news of the assault on Tuesday.

The likelihood that an AP reporter or stringer saw a part of what happened, or at the very least knew about it, is not small. The wire service's Sarah El Deeb and Hadeel El-Shalchi were in Cairo on the 11th. Here are samples of what they reported:

Mubarak leaves and Egypt celebrates

 

One Egyptian kissed the ground. Another rolled in ecstasy in the grass outside a presidential palace. People wept, jumped, screamed and hugged each other with a shared joy they had never known. Cairo erupted in a cacophony of celebration: fireworks and car horns and gunshots in the air.

 

... "The people have toppled the regime," chanted protesters, whose 18 days of swelling protests tipped Egypt into a crisis that the autocratic government could not undo.

 

"This is the happiest day in my generation," said Ali al-Tayab, a demonstrator who paid tribute to those who died in clashes with police and Mubarak supporters. "To the martyrs, this is your day.

 

... At a presidential palace in Cairo, where demonstrators had gathered in the thousands, people flashed the V-for-victory sign and shouted, "Be happy, Egyptians, today is a feast" and "He stepped down."

 

... Crowds packed Tahrir Square, the scene of massive protests against Mubarak that began on Jan. 25. The celebrations continued early Saturday, with throngs of people milling around in downtown Cairo.

 

... In Tahrir Square, protesters heard the announcement on mobile telephone radios that they passed back and forth. They broke into cheers and some formed a conga line, winding through the packed area.

 

... Mohammed el-Masry, who marched to the presidential palace, said he had spent the past two weeks living in the protest encampment at Tahrir Square. He also wept.

According CBS, as quoted in the New York Post, Logan's assault occurred "in Cairo's Tahrir Square when 'her team and their security were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration. It was a mob of more than 200 people whipped into frenzy.'"

It seems more than a little likely that the AP reporters who we know were in Tahrir Square as well as stringers they may have also used would have seen something. The odd paragraph at the end of the AP report seems to be a backhanded acknowledgment that they did, and failed to report it. If that's the case, given that their coverage presented an undiluted portrait of a "cacophony of celebration," that's negligent journalism, plain and simple.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

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There were how many people on that square?

Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 3:24pm.

300.000? Half a million? 

And a quick search on AP.org shows that they include something like that disclaimer in other reports too, at least when they name the victim. An example you can find here. I guess they do it to prevent complaints.

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If there was less than a complete "cacophony of celebration" ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 5:12pm.

... they could have reported the incident without naming the reporter.

It's fair to ask if they didn't do so to avoid distracting from the "celebration" narrative.

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To be snarky

Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 7:43pm.

Asking a question usually involves the use of a question mark. 

You are assuming a lot without much evidence to support it.

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Quote ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 8:08pm.

... the assumption.

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1.) It seems more than a

Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 8:32pm.

1.) It seems more than a little likely that the AP reporters who we know were in Tahrir Square as well as stringers they may have also used would have seen something.

2.) The odd paragraph at the end of the AP report seems to be a backhanded acknowledgment that they did, and failed to report it.

Let's call 2.) an implicit assumption.

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Neither item is an assumption

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 9:42pm.

An assumption is "something taken for granted; a supposition." A supposition is "something that is supposed; an assumption."

Both statements you cite contain the word "seems."

Each allows for the possibility that I am incorrect.

Therefore they are not things I have "taken for granted."

Therefore, they are not assumptions.

You can't make them into assumptions, implicit or explicit.

You're welcome to try again, but you're wrong on the two items cited, and it's not arguable. So please don't waste everyone's time trying to argue what can't be argued.

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Sorry, Mr. Blumer---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 11:29pm.

but what you ask of troglodyt (German spelling), is to do the impossible.

This is a troll who actually believes he caused The Vet to leave the battlefield; who actually believes that he is correct with every post; who actually believes that when it comes to the English language that he is a far better judge, as a foreigner, as to what terms and definitions truly mean in English; who actually believes he is better equipped both philosophically and intellectually to argue nuances of economics and science in English than are native-born English speakers.

Trogster actually does believe these things.

Either that, or he is merely a garden variety mook.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Thanks for ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 11:40pm.

.... having my back.

Well, at least he hasn't commented on this thread for a couple of hours ... maybe he's just asleep. Do trolls sleep?

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"Do trolls sleep?"

Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 11:47pm.

Only during full moons, as roving werewolves are rumored to find them not a little tasty.

:-^)

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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That, Mr. Blumer, I'd call plausible deniability!

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 8:21am.

One of the Oxford dictionary's takes on "seem":

[with infinitive] used to make a statement less forceful:I seem to remember giving you very precise instructions

That of course applies only to 2.)

It would be interesting to know what your reason to post this was. I mean other than reinforcing existing perceptions of AP by pure speculation.

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As noted above ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 9:32am.

... stop wasting our time.

UPDATE, 10:30 a.m. -- ... and making immature, non-substantive comments like the one that follow which further waste our time.

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If you feel that I'm wasting your time ignore me.

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 9:48am.

If you don't like it that somebody scrutinizes your work publicly, don't publish it.

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→ Troggy

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 9:55am.

OK, we get it.  You're an English teacher, too lazy to show up at the protest.

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CA

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:20am.

What would the average NB article + likely comments look like if someone, let's say Chris Matthews, said something like:

"It seems conservatives are idiotic, fear- and war-mongering, bible throwing and ... (insert any common cliché)"

?

P.S.: Now you can call me a liar.

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→ I dunno, Troggy

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:20am.

How is your example, in any way different, from Chris Matthews daily regurgitations?

He's used variations of all of them.

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It probably isn't.

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:32am.

But that wasn't my point.

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→ Now I get it

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:37am.

What you're trying to say is "My point is not the point I'm trying to make"

Your mind must be a mish-mash of self-inflicted pretzellian jujitsu scar tissue.

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CA

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:01am.

Come on, you can read. How would NB contributors and/or members react to something like that statement? 

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→ As I said Trogster

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:03am.

There is no need for speculation as to how we would react.  We've heard Chris say all the things you mentioned in some similar form, if not as a direct quote.

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So he would be or has been pounded

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:08am.

while ignoring that he used "seem"?

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→ Seem?

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:19am.

The word "seem" does nothing but introduce an observation as opinion rather than fact.  Regardless of whether it's used, the meat still gets out there.

If I say "Chris seems to lick his lips a lot when the subject turns to President Obama", How is that materially different from "Chris licks his lips a lot when the subject turns to President Obama"?

The semantic nit-picking isn't necessary.

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Thank you

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:30am.

.

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You're not welcome

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 12:48pm.

The difference is night and day:

Once again: "Chris seems to lick his lips a lot when the subject turns to President Obama" allows for the possibility that Chris doesn't do that.

"Chris licks his lips a lot when the subject turns to President Obama" is a statement of fact.

Words mean things. You can't change what they mean.

You've just engaged in a colossal waste of time.

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As I said.

Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 8:23am.

Maybe it's plausible deniability. Maybe you are sincere about it. 

But then again why write this whole article based on nothing but speculation? Why do you publicly highlight one possible cause for a chain of events, that can easily and more convincingly be explained by a much more probable cause, which is ignored by you? 

And what I'd really like to know: In all those instances you report (?) about AP's alleged failures, bias and journalistic missteps, why do you never ask them for an explanation? 

Words mean things. Yep. True, no doubt. But more importantly: What words mean depends heavily on the context they are used in. 

You've just engaged in a colossal waste of time.

Why then are you still replying?

 

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Trying to save you from yourself

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 11:27am.

... but I can only do so much.

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If I hadn't learned that

Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 02/21/2011 - 5:53am.

If I hadn't learned that words mean what they mean, I would have been let to believe that your post was sarcasm.

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Check the Archives Trog

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:20am.

There are probably many examples that are very similar to that.  I think you may find though that Chris is not smart enough to use the word "seems".  He states that kind of stuff as fact.

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That is probably true

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:33am.

.

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Is it really that boring in Berlin?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:26am.

I always thought it was a very exciting city.

Or are you some kind of social outcast there among your brethren?

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It's february.

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:34am.

And it is unbearable when there is no sunlight. You kind of feel like a troglodyte.

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→ I agree Troggy

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:39am.

During my 1.5 years in Kaiserslautern, I don't think I ever saw the sun.  Maybe it was just a haze of smog.

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When were you there

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:00am.

?

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→ '72-'73

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:05am.

Beautiful country.  Loved the forest.

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Good job Troll

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 9:55am.

You accuse (wrongly) Mr. Blumer of assumptions and after he schools you, you show us that you learned exactly what a real assumption is with " It would be interesting to know what your reason to post this was.  I mean other than reinforcing existing perceptions of AP by pure speculation."

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At least I don't disguise my assumptions.

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:09am.

With rhetorical questions for example.

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No Trog

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:13am.

You let your hypocrisy shine bright for all to see.

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With regard to that, I feel like I'm in good company around here

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:18am.

Shall I give you a list?

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Sure Trog

Submitted by sentry_99 on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:22am.

Just be able to back it all up.

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First on my list

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:35am.

Matthew Dean. He at least acknowledges his hyporcisies.

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Wrong again, trogster---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 12:35am.

I don't commit "hyporcisies", and while I have never hyporcisized anyone, some of you trolls do make me wish I still had my hyporcisizer.
"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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He found a typo!

Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 7:39am.

Congratulations. 

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D'OH

Submitted by sentry_99 on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 7:56am.

.

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He found a typo!

Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 7:39am.

Congratulations. 

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Double D'OH

Submitted by sentry_99 on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 7:57am.

.

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→ Yeah, too bad

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/18/2011 - 10:15am.

We can only wish that was the least of the length of your limitations.

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Ashamed of being held to

Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 3:39pm.

Ashamed of being held to account, not ashamed of the hate he promoted, another islam bigot.

Non, je ne regrette rien. "You aren't angry because I might be a racist, you're angry because you know I'm right".
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Now we are getting somewhere.

Submitted by Ashrak on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 3:43pm.

This story should be focused on the reporting (well the lack of it) not the reporter. This incident has the potential to be an earthquake of epic and historic propotions regarding today's mainstream media.

Great catch and Great article!

That an individual right exists requires that some policy positions be removed from the table of debate.
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→ I don't think so, Ashrak

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 3:51pm.

It's CBS acting on their belief that they are more enlightened than the savages who attacked Ms. Logan.

They can no more blame these savages than they could blame a stingray for killing Steve Irwin.

And as they both drowned, the scorpion said "It is my nature".

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Cool Arrow,

Submitted by Ashrak on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 4:12pm.

Now you have me thinking about Bill Maher's upcoming Halloween costume.....    ;)

That an individual right exists requires that some policy positions be removed from the table of debate.
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→ I remember

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 4:19pm.

I remember hearing about Maher.  I'm pretty sure the idea for the costume came from a Southpark episode.

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A few years ago

Submitted by wedapeople on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 3:55pm.

Wasn't Ms. logan also sexually assaulted when she was in Iraq covering their liberation? Why would she go back?

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→ I don't think so

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 4:05pm.

I think she met her current husband in Iraq, but I'm not aware of a previous assault.

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"He said it goes without

Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 4:48pm.

"He said it goes without saying that assaulting a woman is wrong."

Oh, I get it now.  THAT's why he didn't say it.

Excuse the hell out of me!

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Seriously?

Submitted by fatboy on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 9:48pm.

is there any more reason NOT to pay any attention to the MSM? If you do , you become just another "dumbed down" American who doesn't know anything.
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fatboy---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 02/17/2011 - 11:35pm.

You have to know your enemy if you want to survive.

Nothing I see or hear from the MSM tells me they are on my side in any way, shape, or form.

"Paying attention" to them does not equate to believing what they have to say.

MD 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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