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Media Emphasis on 'Holiday Shopping' Directly Defies Public's Stated Preferences

By Tom Blumer | December 07, 2010 | 16:04

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There are many areas where the establishment press's terminology preferences are significantly out of sync with everyday usage by the general public. To name just two examples, the ever so PC press routinely replaces publicly favored and more informative terms such as "illegal immigrants" and "Muslim terrorists" with "undocumented workers" and "militants." And of course, we can't forget the press's affection for "a certain late-term pregnancy-ending procedure," when it's really "partial-birth abortion."

Though the disconnect I'm about to describe isn't as serious as the ones just noted, there is another area where press terminology is at wide variance with the public's preferences. That would be in how to describe the shopping season that occurs from Thanksgiving until the end of the year.

For a while, the press's terminology choices seemed to be winning over retailers. But at least this year, that isn't so, as noted in an item at Advertising Age (HT to Tim Graham at NewsBusters, who tweeted on this about 10 days ago):

The War on Christmas may be in its final days.

 

This season, merry Christmas — not happy holidays or season's greetings — will dominate retailer's marketing messages. There will be Christmas sales and Christmas trees and Christmas carols galore.

 

... This year's NRF (National Retail Federation)/BigResearch survey found that 91 percent of consumers plan to celebrate Christmas, compared with 5% for Hanukkah and 2% for Kwanzaa.

A cynic might observe that a desperate need for sales in this so-called recovery, over and above the laudable work the American Family Association has done to stamp out the worst anti-Christmas offenses over the years, might be driving the change in mindset.

There's also this item:

According to the most recent Rasmussen Poll on the subject, 72 percent of all Americans prefer the greeting “Merry Christmas” to “Happy Holidays,” the greeting of preference for just 22 percent of us. This is up four percent from last year.

In the just-provided context, it's worth noting how radically out of step the business press is with the public's identified seasonal celebration choices and stated word usage preferences. The searches that follow represent the second round of my sixth annual set of Google News searches looking into the press's tendencies.

Here are the results of Google News searches done at 2:15 p.m. this afternoon:

  • "Christmas shopping season" (in quotes) -- 1,270 (10.8%)
  • "Holiday shopping season" (in quotes) -- 10,500 (89.2%)

Nine out of ten Americans celebrate Christmas, while almost nine out of ten news stories about the shopping season avoid the word. How obvious is that?

Now let's look at the other element of my six years of review, namely the press's choices on what terms to use in stories involving layoffs:

  • Christmas layoffs (not in quotes, also excluding the word "challenger" to ensure that about 30 items relating to the mass layoffs report issued by Challenger & Christmas were exluded) -- 261 (14.1%)
  • Holiday layoffs (not in quotes) -- 1,030 (55.7%)
  • Holidays layoffs (not in quotes) -- 557 (30.2%)

As I have consistently found in the six years I've looked into this (go here for capsule results), the press overwhelmingly prefers the use of the word "holiday" in describing the shopping season.

Compared to past years, the press doesn't seem as receptive to using the word "Christmas" in stories about layoffs, but has seemingly moved its Christmas emphasis to the perils of not extending unemployment benefits ad infinitum. Though I don't have five years of comparative results, a Google News search done at about 2:30 p.m. on [Christmas "unemployment benefits"] (typed exactly as indicated between brackets) comes back with 1,570 items, which strikes me as quite a few, especially in comparison to the layoff numbers just noted. Unfortunately, further comparison is difficult, because searches substituting the word "holiday" and "holidays" are skewed by unrelated uses of the words in continually breaking news about next year's tax structure (e.g., the proposed payroll tax "holiday" and the snarky "happy holidays for the rich" discussions).

The results described here dramatically demonstrate how out of touch the press is with what readers say, do, and wish to see in connection with the, ahem, Christmas season.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

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"Holiday shopping" doesn't

Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 5:15pm.

"Holiday shopping" doesn't bother me nearly as much as "holiday trees." At least you can make a case for the former terminology, since Jews do buy gifts for Hanukah. The latter terminology is an abomination.

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I agree.  Though the term

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 5:24pm.

I agree.  Though the term "Christmas Tree" sometimes can be referred to as a "Charlie Brown Tree."

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The Obama Administration....

Submitted by TempusFugit on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:50pm.

....could be called the Charlie Brown Administration too. You know, wishy-washy, insecure, failure, and in dozens of other ways

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And this...

Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:22pm.

At a nearby high school, the band parents sell trees as a fund raiser.  In previous years, they were selling 'Holiday Trees'.  This year, it just says 'Fund Raiser' on their sign.  How ridiculous! It's as if using 'Christmas' is offensive.  Offensive to whom? 

Is it a 'Holiday Candlestick Holder' - I don't think so...  and it would be offensive for me to rename a Menorah a 'Holiday Candlestick Holder'.

Wait for it... we'll soon have a Holiday Party at the White House right? (I don't think they usually call it a Christmas party).  But it's OK to have an Iftar Dinner in August, a Ramadan dinner in September, and a Hanukkah Reception in December.

Don't buy trees from "Holiday Tree" lots.

Don't buy cards that say "Happy Holidays" . 

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Cards

Submitted by sere on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:40pm.

I don't care how beautiful a card is, if it doesn't say "Merry Christmas", I won't buy it. I also don't return to stores that offer "happy holidays" as their greeting. The media claims they are simply being PC. If the majority of the country is Christian, wouldn't "Merry Christmas" be politically correct?

sere
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As a Jew, I take offense to

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:50pm.

As a Jew, I take offense to your Holiday Candlestick Holder comment.  The Menorah holds a total of 9 candles, which would make it a Nonagonal Holiday Candlestick Holder.

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I agree that "holiday trees"

Submitted by yutsnark on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 7:19pm.

I agree that "holiday trees" makes no sense, because people don't buy them for Chanuka or Thanksgiving, or anything else besides Christmas.  "Happy Holidays" cards have been around for as long as I can remember.  They're useful if you're doing a mass mailing, and you don't know which recipients are Christian. 

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Holiday Cards

Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:26pm.

Yes - you are right.  Holiday cards are meant to be non-offensive.   But was the intent of the 'Merry Christmas' card sender  to offend the non-Christmas-celebrating receiver?   Or was the intent to send a warm expression of good tidings to the receiver?  I believe it was and still is the latter.

Mass mailings stink.  They're so impersonal.   Aren't we fostering a whole new breed of mass-mailers via social websites, ie. Facebook friends lists,...? 

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I agree that the "Merry

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:29am.

I agree that the "Merry Christmas" card sender means no offense to non-Christians.  Similarly, the "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" card sender means no offense to Christians.  He just doesn't want to leave out his Jewish acquaintances (or perhaps other non-Christians).

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The ironic thing is that

Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:41pm.

Holiday means "Holy Day". Things are holy (in a general sense) to a religion. Christ + mas can just means that Catholics have a mass to celebrate the birth of Christ. Which is true, no matter how I feel about it.

Happy Hollow Days.

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Holiday Shopping Season is a foolish term

Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 5:44pm.

The constant reference to the Christmas shopping season as the "holiday" shopping season is totally foolish.  How does one distinguish the amount of increase sales between one holiday "season" and another, if you don't refer to the particular holiday in question? (Never mind the stupid reference to a "shopping season" anyways.  ALL seasons are "shopping seasons." Who invented that term, anyways?)

After all, we don't refer to Halloween as the Fall Harvest Season, do we? No, of course not. For if we did, we couldn't distinguish Halloween from Thanksgiving, because both fall in the same period, the same "season."

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To risk venturing into "definition of is is" territory

Submitted by Keef Olbermann on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:02pm.

"Holiday shopping" is a wholly descriptive term for shopping for a holiday, be it Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, the Saturnalia, whatever. This is a surge in non-essential spending that spreads from Halloween to Epiphany, which is what is meant by "holiday season". Over time "holiday" has crept from the two-plus-month string of holidays and federally-mandated get-togethers to being a pure euphemism for Christmas.J

"Holiday shopping" is descriptive and specific and so is forgivable. Even in the restricted sense of "December holiday shopping" it includes all holiday shopping where "Christmas shopping" would be technically inaccurate. "Holiday" as a straight substitution for "Christmas" (infamously as Amazon's "Twelve Days of Holiday") is obviously another bridge altogether.

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Political correctness

Submitted by Phryj1 on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 5:50pm.

Really, it's a form of thought control. A subtle and insidious method of propaganda intended to manipulate people into accepting ideas and policies by making them seem less harmful by giving them friendlier sounding names. It's really disgusting. It's just another way of distorting the truth and trying to keep the public in the dark about the true agenda of the far left. And whenever anyone calls the press on it, they start saying "oh, those crazy right wing extremists are just being paranoid" no matter how much evidence shows it to be true. This is why it's so important to have information sources like Fox News, Breitbart's websites, Newsbusters, etc... because it denies the Progressive Left the ability to control the message.

Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.

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Phryj1, I'm having a hard

Submitted by yutsnark on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 7:10pm.

Phryj1, I'm having a hard time following your reasoning.  How do I control your thoughts when I refer to  the "holiday season"?

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When the press goes 9-1 one way and the public 9-1 the other ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 7:31pm.

... they are attempting to filter and control the discussion and change ordinary, everyday discourse.

Thankfully, it appears that their success has been limited.

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Tom. No. 9 ball in the corner pocket on the break..

Submitted by Gary Hall on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 7:39pm.

Mmm. Might I suggest that that 9-1 vs 9-1 relationship is almost the norm - almost all the time.

But of course, you know that.

(;~> gary 

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Tom

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 5:48am.

If that is your reasoning you might want to broaden your research. Try for example google books. The first mention of "holiday shopping season" according to that source seems to be in 1890! The term "holiday season" dates even further back. Secondly the frame of reference is important. As far as I see the term "holiday shopping season" is one that is and has predominantly been used in an economic context. To neglect all that and say  the media are simply "attempting to filter and control the discussion" is a little bit disingenuous.

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OK, try this, using a tennis contest analogy

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 8:50am.

From 2005 through 2010 thus far, the weighting has been roughly 88% "holiday shopping season" and 12% "Christmas shopping season."

Let's go to Google News Archives:

1990-1999 -- GAME
"Christmas shopping season" -- 70,300 (40%)
"holiday shopping season"-- 107,000 (60%)

1980-1989 -- SET
"Christmas shopping season" -- 10,700 (70%)
"holiday shopping season" -- 4,440 (30%)

1970-1979 -- MATCH
"Christmas shopping season" -- 4,010 (97.5%)
"holiday shopping season" -- 102 (2.5%)

Consider the research "broadened."

As previously stated:

When the press goes 9-1 one way and the public 9-1 the other, they are attempting to filter and control the discussion and change ordinary, everyday discourse.

There is no reasonable alternative explanation as to why the press preference has changed so radically, while the public's preference essentially hasn't. As stated earlier, fortunately the press has been mostly unsuccessful.

You wrote:

As far as I see the term "holiday shopping season" is one that is and has predominantly been used in an economic context.

Uh, not exactly.

Consider the point made with stunning finality. You can say "By gosh, you're right" any time now.

Thanks for the nudge, and for providing fodder for my final related post for this year a couple of weeks from now.

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Sorry, Tom...

Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:15am.

But the instant replay confirms you double faulted on match point and it's deuce game.  And, just for the heck of it, I'm punching out the first clerk who wishes me "Merry Christmas".  We will not rest until Christmas is driven out of the malls and public squares and back to the churches where it belongs.

Jer

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That's our good Aliinskyite Jer ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:44am.

... laughing and snarking in the face of overwhelming evidence, following the Alinsky dictum of never admitting you're wrong, even when you are.

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Tom

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:52am.

With all due respect: You can play this number game all day long, but it won't be more convincing unless you look at the context the phrase is and was used in.

1.) The "holiday shopping season" encompasses more than just Christmas. In the US it is considered to begin with Thanksgiving and end with New Year. That includes at least 3 public holidays.

2.) The context it is used in is usually an economic one. In little more than one month a quarter of all personal spending takes place and now the really interesting bit: The Friday after Thanksgiving is seen by retailers as THE busiest day of the whole year (although according to wikipedia that might not be true). The term simply seems to be appropriate as it spans a broad time period.

3.) That the news archive shows an increase in usage of "holiday shopping season" can also be explained by the increase  in reporting on economic matters in general. 

4.) The preference you stated is in relation to how they are greeted in stores and otherwise. And now one question: Who likes to be greeted with "Merry Christmas" on the Friday after Thanksgiving or on New Year's Eve? 

Context matters. Consider this, as not an ace, but a very powerful return. 

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All I know is

Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:54am.

With out Christmas, there is NO holiday season!!

And that is an Ace

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That ball is out. Without

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:59am.

That ball is out. Without engines there are no cars. Still we call them cars. Or to stay on topic: Without strings there is no racket. And still they are called rackets.

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Good grief

Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:46am.

Still you call them what? Cars without power plants are yard deco, not "cars".

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty
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Your point would

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:54am.

be what exactly?

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I lost you there.  "Without

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:54am.

I lost you there.  "Without Christmas there is no holiday season."  Isn't that like saying, "Without Oreos there are no cookies"? 

Of course there's a holiday season without Christmas.


 

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Nope,

Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:49am.

Of course there's a holiday season without Christmas.

Why would their be?

 

And the cookie anology make as much sense as the car, or the racket or? Witch is none.

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Without Christmas, the

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:50pm.

Without Christmas, the holiday season would still include Chanuka, Thanksgiving, New Years, Kwanzaa, Boxing Day, and Saturnalia, to name a few.

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Afraid not

Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 5:06pm.

Most of those holidays are because of Christmas, and TG and NY's would be to far apart to warrant a season. Not that I expect you to acknowledge that.
 

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Huh? Which ones are "because

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 5:24pm.

Huh? Which ones are "because of Christmas"? 

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Huh

Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 7:14pm.

You serious?
 

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Of course I'm serious.  True,

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:09pm.

Of course I'm serious.  True, there probably would be no Boxing Day without Christmas.  Kwanzaa might have been celebrated at another time, or not. 

However -- Thanksgiving would have happened without Christmas.  Same for Chanuka, New Years, and Saturnalia, all of which pre-dated the birth of Jesus.

 

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Why did you leave out Pearl Harbor Day again?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 5:37pm.

I know it's not a "real" holiday like Kwanzaa or Saturnalia, but Congress says it is.

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Good point.  The Japanese

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:12pm.

Good point.  The Japanese were suffering from Holiday Blues.  If it weren't for Christmas, they never would have attacked us.

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Wise men say, "If you are out

Submitted by BuffNBone on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 5:48pm.

Wise men say, "If you are out of Schlitz you are out of beer but if you are out of Bud you are out of business."    Christmas is the Bud.  No Christmas, no Holiday Season.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
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Hmm, then I guess Chanuka is

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 6:59pm.

Hmm, then I guess Chanuka is Bud Light.

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Sorry ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:53am.

... the match is over. You lost; whether you admit it or not is irrelevant -- and you look quite foolish out there on the court all by yourself, with only the lonely Jer looking on from the stands.

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Tom

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 9:58am.

Argueing your point doesn't seem to be your strength. 

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No ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:33am.

... you've been argued into the ground, and won't acknowledge it. That doesn't change the fact that you've been argued into the ground.

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Tom

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:55am.

As you ran away, ironically by claiming victory, when I pointed out severaly weaknesses in your argument, your summary given above is at best laughable. What you've done so far is assembling statistics (and scrutinizing your method hasn't even been done yet) and conjecturing about them. In fact the only thing you have done is claiming that your explanation fits a certain type of correlation. 

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Zheesh

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:39am.

What about going from a 2%-98% media split to at 88%-12% media split over a span of decades don't you understand?

What about the fact that "holiday shopping season" and "Christmas shopping season" are inherently economy-based terms, making your supposedly related blathering totally irrelevant, don't you understand?

 

And finally, what about ...

"you've been argued into the ground, and won't acknowledge it"

... don't you understand?

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What about

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:03pm.

actually addressing the points I made? Unbelievable. 

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Talking to contributors is a privilege not a right.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:08pm.

   And making demands is far beyond the pale. Now run out and get Stupid some Ding Dongs, he wants some desert after wolfing down those Doritos.

  You have been schooled little boy liar. Again. Now shut up and go away. Wait, that bunion on Stupid's foot ain't gonna rub itself. Get back at it.

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Talking to me is a privilege too.

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:16pm.

You see how privileged you are?

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Pegged.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:12pm.

  See what passes for wit in trolltown? Yes, it is a dark, smelly, stupid,  deluded world they inhabit. We have been arguing for years that trolls should have more than 2 years of schooling before they are unleashed on our planet.

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Not the

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:13pm.

pluralis majestatis again. It doesn't suit you.

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And you are still playing this number game.

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:05pm.

I understand the split. But I don't understand your argument, because you are not argueing. You are just repeating an accusation.

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What, like you?

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:11pm.

   You made accusations our citizens, not your citizens, you made accusations our fellow citizens were sending prisoners to other countries KNOWING they would be tortured and KNOWING they were violating our laws.

  Like those accusations little boy liar?

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No way. At least I tried to

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:12pm.

No way. At least I tried to argue my point.

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Another lie from he little boy liar.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:52pm.

   He argued nothing. He proved nothing. Nothing like accusing people of breaking the law and then utterly failing to back it up.

He lied about some things. That doesn't mean he lied about all of it.

You and me rely on information which depicts only half the story. The other half remains in the memory of...

Even if it was legal: That doesn't mean it was legitimate.

As you seem to argue from a strictly legalistic point of view it will be hard for me to convince you of anything.

I am relying more or less on indications and "educated" guesses, rather than evidence.

Sorry for forgetting the "most probably" in that line. I don't know for sure. I simply think it to be very likely.

They can't attest, they only infer. That is a difference you obviously don't understand.

I have only demanded that you acknowledge that you didn't proof anything. You made your case indicating that he was lying. You haven't proven anything.

You say he lied because of testimony of Mr. XXX in court..

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Yeah

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:09pm.

but still better than claiming, there is no resonable alternative to what I say. Indeed there was an alternative in this case. The administration simply believed the promise of some autocrats in the middle east, that they wouldn't torture. What do you prefer?

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Hey Stupid. This the place to argue that?

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:15pm.

  The original forum is still there. Anytime you actually came up with proof in the last 2 years, you could have posted it. Even now, you got some proof, take it there. This is Mr. Blumer's Troll Smackin' Singular Holiday Hoedown. Not a place for you to double down on your lies.

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Are you really complaining

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:18pm.

that I'm adressing a topic you brought up? What counts as troll basher these days?

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Yes trollie. That is how it works.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:01pm.

Pointing out your lies and troll ways is an implicit agreement to reargue your every lie. Oops, that is the way in trolltown. We in trolltown trollie? No. This is shavedmonkeyville as you trolls like to call it. Pointing out anothers lies is not reason for liars to suddenly get yappy in this world.

Thank heavens I did not tell everyone how both of your troll nads are flatter than pancakes due to that industrial waffle accident. You would prolly be waving around the pictures from your wallet to show it was only the one.

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double

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:10pm.

.

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Stupid smacked you in the skull again didn't he?

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:18pm.

   He told you that fungus is painful and to be carefull. Oh, wait, you just too dumb to click on something just once. Bet you make the telephone company happy every month. Clicking on the pay button six times when they clearly tell you to push it only once.

  Mouse buttons are hard for trollies, aren't they?

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~There is no 'e' in arguing

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:12pm.

It's hilarious to watch you claim that proof isn't really proof. Do go on. Please.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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Proof of what exactly?

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:14pm.

Proof of what exactly? Changing attitudes of how a specific time period is labeled. Yes he proved that. But nothing beyond.

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~The changing attitudes of whom, precisely?

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:29pm.

C'mon, you can do it!

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C'mon

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:35pm.

Instead of letting me repeat the obvious, why don't you do what Tom actually missed out on: Argue his point!

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Yawwwwwwn ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:43pm.

... What about ...

There is no reasonable alternative explanation as to why the press preference has changed so radically, while the public's preference essentially hasn't.

... don't you understand?

You have offered none.

And, again,what about ...

"you've been argued into the ground, and won't acknowledge it"

... don't you understand?

If you really don't get it (zheesh), stay tuned for some dirt-shoveling a couple of weeks from now.

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Tom

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:00pm.

There is no reasonable alternative explanation as to why the press preference has changed so radically, while the public's preference essentially hasn't.

I gave you one and you didn't even bother to argue. And usually when someone writes, "there is no reasonable alternative explanation", I'd bet everything I own, that there is one. Such a line is a rhetorical device and not an argument.

That you are comparing the figurative apples and oranges I mentioned, didn't I?

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troglodyt lies again.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:07pm.

Usually when someone writes "And usually when someone writes...", you know leaping lords of logic will be playing footsie with a trolls skull because they refuse to admit they have been bested

 Whining and repeating the same thing over and over won't get you any closer to the truth Little Boy Liar. But then, you have been informed of that over and over.

  You're Stupid and a Liar, get over it and get back to work on Stupid's feet. Hey, don't touch that Coke. Stupid don't share.

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Then at least we agree on something.

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:11pm.

Whining and repeating the same thing over and over won't get you any closer to the truth

How right you are, Sir.

 

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Pegged.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:20pm.

  Wit left trolltown long ago. He hitched a ride with Truth and Logic on their way to the coast.

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~You gave him one?

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:22pm.

You mean this?

3.) That the news archive shows an increase in usage of "holiday shopping season" can also be explained by the increase  in reporting on economic matters in general. 

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2010/12/07/media-emphasis-holiday-shopping-directly-defies-publics-stated-preferenc#comment-1392246#ixzz17XePLodV   Wait, you were serious? Yes, that makes sense. The use of "holiday" rather than "Christmas" grew proportionately with...oh wait, it didn't.
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You are still not argueing.

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:11pm.

Neither against my point nor in favor of Mr. Blumer's. But as your quote puts it so aptly: Go ahead make my day.

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~You are still mis-spelling

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:17pm.

"arguing".

You have no point. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. It's like watching you fence with a wet noodle. Your point is utterly point-less.

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Congratulations

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:22pm.

One point for pointing out a mistake (Proof enough Vet?). But beyond that, why don't you argue for your point of view?

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~Surrendering, I see

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:33pm.

If you had a valid argument you'd be able to back it up. Tom already proved you embarrassingly wrong with incontrovertible facts, and here you are whining about "point of view". I don't have a point of view, I accept the facts. Try it.

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C'mon

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:36pm.

You can do better than that. What did he prove with his article in the first place?

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~Okay, now you proved you didn't read it

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:43pm.

Since you're admittedly clueless.

"Water isn't wet, because I say it isn't"--trog

"Proof isn't proof, because I say it isn't"--trog

"Re-state everything Tom just said, because I say so" --trog
 

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As I'm clueless

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:47pm.

argue for Tom's point and use something more than correlation and conjecture. He didn't!

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~Keep running in circles

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:52pm.

It's entertaining.

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Not as entertaining

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:06pm.

as seeing you dodge the question time after time. So once more?

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~Tom proved his point

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:16pm.

And you called it a "numbers game" without being able refute it. Now you're prancing around acting like you weren't proven wrong already. I'm not playing your game; I'm pointing and laughing.

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So he proved beyond a doubt that

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:35pm.

... they are attempting to filter and control the discussion and change ordinary, everyday discourse. 

By counting articles, which use one phrase or another? Wow. Especially as ordinary, everyday discourse about the shopping season always involves the macroeconomic implications one's own actions might have (you know business reporting). We increase the GDP.  Yeah, that is ordinary discourse. 

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~Wow, you convinced me!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:42pm.

Your witty, cogent rebuttal is simply overwhelming. The facts are obviously not the facts now that you've said they're irrelevant.

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You've got a lot of rereading to do,

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:48pm.

if you think I disputed his facts (although the scientific merits of google news searching might be doubtful). I disputed his conclusions. And more so as he wasn't even arguing for them. But you should know that now, as you agree with me. 

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~Oh yes, I do!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:54pm.

And everyone is laughing with you!

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~Translation

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:47pm.

"Oh crap, I cut the limb off behind me!" *thud*
 

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Oh you have it.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:56pm.

  We have been looking for the Idiot to English translator. troglodyt broke our first one and then left the new one out in the rain so he can be trusted with it anymore.

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Did you pop in the alkaline batteries?

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:30pm.

  Looks like the Idiot to English translator got quite a workout today. As usual, the Little Boy Liar thinks he can dispute anything he wants without actually providing proof he is correct. Like being wrong and stupid is a good counter argument. Did you feel his troll rage? He is good at the impotent troll rage.

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Now can we ban this anti-american Fake German?

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:45am.

    Does anyone here believe English is troglodyt's second language. He claims it is. He has never lived in this country yet he is giving Mr. Blumer, ney, insulting Mr. Blumer, over the frequency of utterances of holiday vs. christmas greetings.

   And don't forget, this Fake German will still to this day refuse to say he wants our troops to win in Afghanistan and Iraq. He has accused our fellow citizens of willfully violating our laws. He has called our President a liar. All while claiming he is not from this country.

  Who here believes English is his second language?

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Insulting?

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:02pm.

That I reserve for you. And who on this site has not called the president a liar? And what is your obsession with getting me banned? So many question that won't be answered shortly.

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The answer to your

Submitted by BuffNBone on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 5:54pm.

The answer to your first question would be me for starters.

In fact, I always use the uppercase President anytime referring to the current or any previous holder of the office.  I notice you don't do the same.

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~Yes, it is

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:07pm.

"Stupid" is his first.
 

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Excuse me, Tom... Did you

Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:11am.

Excuse me, Tom...

Did you say something?  Maria Sharapova was signing my balls.  Happy holidays, indeed.

Heck, you win.  Merry Christmas!

Jer

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It's called "holiday

Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 5:52pm.

It's called "holiday shopping" because it covers more than one holiday, such as Thanksgiving and Hanukah.

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Advertisers have good reason

Submitted by yutsnark on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 5:59pm.

Advertisers have good reason to use wording that reflects public opinion.  Hence, "Winston Tastes Good Like a Cigarette Should," which reflects the way most Americans talk, even though it's not grammatical.

News media, on the other hand, do not have to follow the crowd -- and often have reason to do otherwise.  So, for example, a reporter will try to pronounce a foreign diplomat's name according to the diplomat's preference, rather than the way most people pronounce it.

"Holiday Season" is a more inclusive term than "Christmas Season."  If you're referring to that time of year when Jews, Christians, and most agnostics go out and buy lots of gifts for the kiddies, it's probably most accurate to call it the "holiday season." 

 

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Less accurate

Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:17pm.

It's less accurate to call it the holiday season holidays occur in every season. When is Independence Day, for example?

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Not really. It's not called

Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:27pm.

Not really. It's not called the holiday season because there's a holiday in the season. It's called the holiday season because there are a cluster of holidays close together and people spend money for these particular holidays.

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The shopping season

Submitted by gfrrman on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:46am.

"officially" starts AFTER T'giving.  There YOU go...."a holiday in the season".  And THAT day is CHRISTMAS.  Without THAT DAY(CHRISTMAS) the ONLY other holiday will be New Years.  So there would technically be only Happy New Years Day sales....."Happy New Years Day"..blah, blah...humbug  (;~>

 

G

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Usually you can tell by the

Submitted by yutsnark on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:54pm.

Usually you can tell by the context that they're referring to the December holidays.

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Yes, I buy lots of gifts for

Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:32pm.

Yes, I buy lots of gifts for Thanksgiving and New Years to put under the Thanksgiving and New Years trees. Wouldn't even think of buying a Christmas gift, just like you.

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People shop for Thanksgiving

Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:37pm.

People shop for Thanksgiving and it's one of the busiest travel times of the year. Like it or not, people do spend money on it.

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Pray tell, what do they shop for re: Thanksgiving Holiday?

Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:42pm.

Besides turkey & trimmings (or stone crabs for those of us in Florida)?

What gift giving tradition is involved in Thanksgiving?

Don't answer with shopping for Christmas, or Hannukah, or whatever other pseudo-Christmas/Hannukay holiday at a later date is politically correct.  What is being shopped for at specifically for Thanksgiving?

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I never said there was a gift

Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:11pm.

I never said there was a gift giving tradition for Thanksgiving. I said that it is included in the holiday season and holiday shopping. And yes, like it or not, people do shop for the other upcoming holidays over Thanksgiving weekend. This isn't something new. People spend money on hotels, air travel, etc.

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Did you get anything good for Pearl Harbor Day?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:15pm.

.

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Surely you're aware Pearl

Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:21pm.

Surely you're aware Pearl Harbor Day is not a holiday.

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Another neck tie, as usual.

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:55am.

Another neck tie, as usual.

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~It's obviously tied too tight

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:30pm.

Cutting down the blood supply to your brain. Loosen it a tad.

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Specious reasoning dude

Submitted by TempusFugit on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:46pm.

The whole point of this article is that retailers are getting smarter about their Christmas advertising, because most people would rather Christmas not be replaced with "holiday". Thanksgiving is nowhere near the money making seasdon that Christmas is. There are no Black Friday deals for Thanksgiving dinner, no turkey trees, turkey carols or whatever. The amount spent on Thanksgiving is chump change compared to Christmas. And BTW Thanksgiving was also begun as a religious holiday, giving thanks to God, before secular @$$hats got their hooks into it

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Drudge listed an article

Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:13pm.

Drudge listed an article recently concerning a Chase bank branch that ordered a Christmas tree be removed " because some people were offended by it."

The article then quoted someone named Bryan Fischer:  

"Bryan Fischer, director of issue analysis for the American Family Association, called Chase's decision absurd.

"According to Advertising Age, 91 percent of American people celebrate Christmas," Fischer said. "That means that the single most inoffensive thing you can do at this time of year is wish someone a Merry Christmas."

Fischer said that companies that have gotten away from acknowledging Christmas claim that they do it because they want to be inclusive.

"The most inclusive thing you can do is wish someone Merry Christmas," he said. "This means that Chase is running the risk of offending far more people by disrespecting Christmas than they are by honoring it."

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This has been my point lately.  It is me who is offended by leaving the 'Christmas' out of Christmas.

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There's nothing specious

Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:19pm.

There's nothing specious about it. There is more than one holiday in the holiday season. If you really want to take Thanksgiving out of the mix, then go ahead, but you still have Hanukah. And Thanksgiving did not begin as a religious holiday. That's specious reasoning. By that logic, every time you say grace and thanks before a meal, you are celebrating a religious holiday. Thanksgiving was begun as giving thanks to god for showing the colonists the error of their ways in their socialist experiement, and having the wisdom to see the failures of it, changing it, and surviving. It wasn't a holiday.

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Everything here is specious

Submitted by TempusFugit on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:29pm.

"Thanksgiving was begun as giving thanks to god .... It wasn't a holiday."                                                                                                                                                                             The first Thanksgiving wasn't a holiday. It was made so by Abraham Lincoln. It's typical to begin a Thanksgiving dinner with grace by saying a prayer to God. The whole idea behind it is giving thanks to GOD, so that makes it a religious holiday. You can continue to throw your redherrings around, but that doesn't change that fact. If you can't see how you're contradicting yourself by admitting that God plays a part in Thanksgiving, then I can't help you any further. More specious reasoning comes into it when you say that everytime a person says grace before a meal that it would make it a religious holiday. When millions of people do it, on the same day and get that day off work, that makes it a religious holiday.                                                                                                                                             "People shop for Thanksgiving and it's one of the busiest travel times of the year. Like it or not, people do spend money on it."          

This is poor reasoning because you're trying to give Thanksgiving equal weight to Christmas here. You are saying here that people spend money FOR Thanksgiving. Then you change your story when you respond to Blonde by saying that people spend money for Christmas around Thanksgiving. You weren't even mentioning Hanukkah, why bring it up now?    
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Lincoln didn't create

Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:06am.

Lincoln didn't create Thanksgiving; the colonists did, specifically Governor Bradford.

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Not so

Submitted by TempusFugit on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 6:41pm.

Yutsnark says: "News media, on the other hand, do not have to follow the crowd -- and often have reason to do otherwise."   To which I would say: and if they do their ratings go down. Like NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, newspapers, Newsweek, Time, NPR....every news organization but Fox

 
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True.  And if this becomes a

Submitted by yutsnark on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 7:04pm.

True.  And if this becomes a big enough issue, some of those news organizations might change their policy.  Still, to be accurate they would have to refer to it as the "Christmas/Chanuka/Kwanza season.  That's hard to say, particularly after a few glasses of egg nog.

 

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To use that reasoning...

Submitted by TempusFugit on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 7:49pm.

...I would say that you can't call every black person African-American. If they were actually born in Africa they might want to be called Africans, without the American tag at the end, since that might be objectionable. I know black Canadians hate being called that, since they aren't American. This is the trap that political correctness lays out. Pretty soon you have to be conscious of what is the current politcally correct term for EVERYTHING! It'll be layers upon layers of terms, and God....er, heaven help you if you forget what takes precedence. Pretty soon I'll have to be referred to as a English/Polish/Catholic-American whose ancestors have been here since at least the mid-18th century on the father's side and late 19th century on the mother's side, instead of just white. And I want everyone to call me that in one breath! I agree with the person above who said it's a method of mind control

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Sorry to say, but

Submitted by gfrrman on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:52am.

Kwanza is a made up "holiday".

G

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All holidays are made up.

Submitted by yutsnark on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:56am.

All holidays are made up.

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~Scrooge..

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:16pm.

..is that you?

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Scrooge was a quitter

Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 7:35pm.

The Grinch as well

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Dave rejects political correctness and all things politically...

Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 9:08pm.

...correct.

When I get the "Happy Holidays" greeting, I always return it with Merry Christmas to you, too."


Yes, I rather enjoy cheesing off the PC cowards who dwell among us. The madder I can make them, the happier I get.

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Jesus H. Christ, What The Hell Is Wrong With You?

Submitted by TheReal7Sticks on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:04am.

As I have repeated before, the so-called "War on Christmas" is as mythical as global warming or the man-bear-pig that Al Gore keeps warning us about. I keep saying prove it, and the best you can do is give me the same author [Bryan Fischer] who wrote this?:

"Ahmadinejad might be on to something

"Monday, November 22, 2010 10:16 AM

 

"According to Reuters, Iranian president Mahmoud Admadinejad said the best age for girls to get married is between the ages of 16 and 18, and the best age for boys to get married is between 19 and 21.

"Although my reasons are completely different than his, I think he’s right.";

Or how about this?: "Bryan Fischer:  GOP to keep worst parts of MussoliniCare - no, no, a thousand times no: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 8:29 AM"

Let's see: comparing a president to a totalitarian dictator was what left-wingers were doing when they kept comparing President Bush to Hitler (as I had before I recovered from liberalism.) I suppose "Do as I say, not as I do" cuts both ways, doesn't it?

If you consider a group like the American Fascists-er, excuse me, I mean American Family Association as a mainstream group, then you are toast.

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The War on Christmas is alive and well

Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:23am.

...and thus far from mythical.

-Dave

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Well, isn't that precious

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 8:58am.

You have a lot of damned nerve trying to impugn by association when the Democratic PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES spent yesterday comparing his principled opposition to kidnappers and terrorists who would harm their hostages for having the nerve to believe that marginal tax rates that have been in place since 2003 should stay right where they are.

If you consider the person who made these statements a mainstream person, or the party members and others who won't criticize this toxic rhetoric as mainstream, then you are toast. It can't happen soon enough.

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Tom, I've yet to see you

Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:09am.

Tom, I've yet to see you acknowledge the existence of Hanukah and how it's included in "holiday shopping" and "holiday season". You continue to falsely equate "holiday" with "Christmas".

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If you search the post really, really closely ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:43am.

... (meaning "if you open your eyes") you'll note the following excerpt:

This year's NRF (National Retail Federation)/BigResearch survey found that 91 percent of consumers plan to celebrate Christmas, compared with 5% for Hanukkah and 2% for Kwanzaa.

The post is about usage of terminology and how the media's preferences are totally out of sync with the general population. Period.

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~And the crickets rejoice!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:15pm.

As they give an impromptu rendition of "Deck the Trolls with Boughs of Folly" in the deafening silence.

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Darn*

Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:36pm.

Always seem to be late for the party and there is singing and foot stomping, troll bashing. So reminds me of the 12 days of Christmas.

To hell with the media and the trolls. We must remember THE REASON!

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND NB!

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~Don't worry

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:48pm.

There's plenty of leftovers. Still wriggling, even.

Merry Christmas to you, cajun!
 

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Merry Christmas cajun2.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:02pm.

    I loves me the Christmas songs. Shhhh. Don't tell no one. I used to get Christmas albums for Christmas when I was young. I would listen to the Christmas songs when I would smack the troll babies with Lincoln Logs and Playdoh.

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Well Vet*

Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:09pm.

The old axiom "practice makes perfect" certainly has worked for you...LOL

Merry Christmas mon ami.

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That doesn't address my point

Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:21pm.

That doesn't address my point at all. It has nothing to do with numbers or how many people celebrate each holiday; it has everything to do with there being more than Christmas in the holiday season, and "holiday shopping" covers them all. This is an indisputable fact. For some reason, you purposefully cast aside Hanukah because it doesn't fit into your preconceived conclusion.

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~Cast aside?

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:37pm.

You didn't read his piece, apparently. Not even when he excerpted the relevant portion for you, above.

Sorry, I can't make it any clearer than Mr. Blumer already did. I recommend a remedial course in reading comprehension. Perhaps someone will give you one for Christmas.
 

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Ah ha ha ha hee hee hee oh hee hee hee.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:34pm.

  Or maybe he will get one for Thanksgiving as has been argued here. Oh dear, too late. Oh well, there is next year during the gift swap right after grace.

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Terms btw

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:45pm.

the general population doesn't really use, either way. Which makes this argument preposterous.

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I blame the old Irving Berlin

Submitted by Chris Norman on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 1:53am.

I blame the old Irving Berlin song, "Happy Holidays" for all of this.

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~This thread

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:54am.

is like watching a man methodically smash ants.

Let us bow our heads for a moment of silence as they feebly twirl their little antennae and pretend it didn't hurt.

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I know. It is greasy and smelly and there is crime tape everwhar

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:01pm.

   Mr. Blumer appears to have been walking around swinging a Stupid stick and connecting with a plethora of troll skulls. Why is it that troll skulls are linked up to their anal sphincter? You smack a troll in the noggin and they instantly have a bowel movement.

   Looks like Mike Bratton will have a full house this "holiday" season. What with troglodyt, Satchmo and now yutsnark sleeping on cot's in Mike Bratton's basement. Yo guys, bring Coke and Doritos. Stupid loves him the snacks while you are all rubbing his feet.

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~Satchmo is a retread

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:04pm.

He was here last year trying to tell Tom that Thanksgiving is a gift-giving holiday. Different name, same idiot.

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That's not true at all. I was

Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:17pm.

That's not true at all. I was not here last year talking to Tom, and I've never said that Thanksgiving is a gift-giving holiday. Why are you lying?

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~Take your thumb out of your mouth

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:27pm.

if you're going to talk to me.

People shop for Thanksgiving --Swishmo

You see, "for" is a preposition and Thanksgiving is it's object. You can try to wallk it back all you want, but the stupid is indelibly imprinted on your forehead.

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?

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:34pm.

If that is supposed to be your counterargument, please refrain from even considering my proposal above.   

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~Oh, I wasn't considering it

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:49pm.

I'm happily married, thank you.

I do, however, know a goat which may consider it. Just don't tell her that your hobby is hacking up hairballs under a bridge in Jersey.

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Are you sure your husband is happy too?

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:54pm.

Just asking.

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Very sad trog

Submitted by sentry_99 on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:08pm.

You get more and more pathetic with every post on this thread.  Now a comment like that. 

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Not the moral high ground argument.

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:12pm.

Look below. That comment is much more appropriate. 

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Moral high ground

Submitted by sentry_99 on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:16pm.

Did I say anything about that? Nope, no moral high ground argument.  Keep sinking buddy. Maybe Ted will throw you a line.

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So you are not arguing (!)

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:38pm.

from that hill. Damn me.

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~I accept your surrender

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:09pm.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 

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Trog, I learned long ago not

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:12pm.

Trog, I learned long ago not to get too personal with B.  I'm certain you're creative enough to keep the insults directed solely at her.

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I'm just concerned for her

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:15pm.

I'm just concerned for her husband. He seems to be living with a brick wall. At least argument-wise.

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Have you ever had an argument

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:18pm.

Have you ever had an argument with a lady that didn't end in brick wall territory?  That's why we love them.  One of many reasons, of course.  

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~That's not a brick wall

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:24pm.

That's a cast-iron frying pan.

Duck, Ted darling!

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So that's the source of my

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:31pm.

So that's the source of my pounding headache.  I thought I was going through candy-corn withdrawal again.  

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Who the hell is laughing?

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:39pm.

  Just because chose is able to laugh it off does not mean the insult to the sensibilities of humans is not lessened.

  Just like every greasy little turd troll evah, troglodyt can't refrain from making it personal the first chance he gets. So he starts fishing for whatever will hurt.  And yes, HE LEARNED THAT FROM YOU.

  It is called TROLLING.

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It's not always about you,

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:48pm.

It's not always about you, Duh.  

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Shut your stupid fat trap nwahs.

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:55pm.

  As usual, you insert yourself in a conversation, get called on it, and then whine because someone responded.

  Go pee up a rope. Friggin' troll. Still enjoying the taste of my butt nwahs?

  Now, make it about you AGAIN. Piss and moan because I called you nwahs while you dig around for another insult on me again.

  Pissy whiny baby cries because he is called the name of a banned user while he calls everyone else every name in the book.

  Pissy whiny diaper wearing baby.

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You got a fact.  STATE

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 1:17pm.

You got a fact.  STATE IT.

Oh wait, that's your line, Duh.  

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Whatever nwahs.

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 1:25pm.

  That is all you got. Copying the posts of other users. Copying other users names. And whining about how put upon your are because you are oh so reformed.

  Thought you were gonna keep your name as a copy of mine DiaperBoy nwahs. Why don't you tell everyone why you sprained your finger you changed it so fast.

  COME ON.

  YOU PUFFED OUT YOUR CHEST AND CHALLENGED ME.

 YOU SAID YOU WOULD NOT CHANGE IT UNTIL I STOPPED CALLING YOU NWAHS AND DEAD ZIPPERS.

  YOU ACTED LIKE A MAN AND DARED ME.

  THEN YOU FILLED YOUR DIAPER AND RAN LIKE THE COWARD YOU ARE.

  CHANGE IT BACK SISSY.

  NWAHS.

  DEAD ZIPPERS.

  ZIPPIUS.

 

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You can call me any number of

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 2:04pm.

You can call me any number of names you'd like - it's fine by me, Duh.  But with each subsequent post you make, it shows me how truly pathetic you are.

You must be the loneliest human in this country to spend so much time taking a figurative crap all over these boards on a daily basis.  That you go through my history every day in order to post the EXACT SAME THING as the day before, the week before, and the month before is not only an embarrassment on your part, but it exemplifies the sociopathic behavior that has been your mental undoing.  

Sad.  Truly. 

You care.

I don't.

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Whatever nwahs sissy.

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 10:52pm.

  Anytime you want to man up again...  This pathethic sociapathic what else mental embarrassment has 10 times the nads you ever wished to have..

  You thought you could challenge a pathethic sociapathic mental embarrassment and the pathethic sociapathic mental embarrassment used your butt for a broom. What does that say about you sissy?

  How does my butt taste nwahs?

  Only someone as stupid as you continues to taunt and annoy the pathethic sociapathic mental embarrassment that showed you to be the SISSY you are. NOW WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU?

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Are you a gun owner?

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/10/2010 - 12:19am.

Are you a gun owner?

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Why Sissy nwahs?

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/10/2010 - 2:37am.

   You making another threat now? You planning on coming over to my house? You planning on stalking me like you did the women and children in your previous accounts?

  WHY IS IT YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT PERSONAL EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN' TIME?

  WHAT KIND OF A THREAT IS THIS NOW?

  STALKER.

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I'm just thankful I don't

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/10/2010 - 12:56pm.

I'm just thankful I don't live next door to a gun wielding lunatic.  

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Why, are you looking to buy the house next door?

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:25pm.

#156 Are you a gun owner?

Submitted by The Original De... on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:19pm.

Are you a gun owner? Do you keep it nearby at all times? Does you wife still wear those blue pump numbers with the gold buckles when she goes out? Is the middle child of yours still in the High School Band? Is the house next door still for sale? Does your state have deadly force laws against home invaders?

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I just bought a house in the

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Fri, 12/10/2010 - 1:55pm.

I just bought a house in the east valley this summer, so no, I'm not interested in moving to Tinytown, USA.  

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~The only thing you're concerned about

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:26pm.

..is how to get the hell off this thread without leaving the tattered shreds of your dignity behind.

Sorry, too late.

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I have no dignity.

Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:42pm.

Look at me! "My precious".

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~Locking that one in

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:49pm.


 

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Yes, people shop for

Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:51pm.

Yes, people shop for Thanksgiving, including air travel, gas, hotels, restaurants, etc. This does not mean Thanksgiving is a gift-giving holiday. You suffer from poor reading comprehension and poor logic skills. I'd be careful before calling anyone stupid if I were you.

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~Oh yeah, I remember now!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:04pm.

People ask me all the time if I've done my Thanksgiving shopping! And my Fourth of July shopping, and my Martin Luther King Jr. Day shopping, and my Veteran's Day shopping, and my Easter shopping, and my Labor Day shopping, and my New Year's shopping...

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WB, have you finished your

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:15pm.

WB, have you finished your 2nd Weekend of December shopping yet?  It's still a few days away, but this time of year the days just slip away before you know it.  

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~Ohmigosh!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:18pm.

Thanks for reminding me; I got so wrapped up in my Pearl Harbor/Seventh Day of December shopping that I forgot all about it!!

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Hey, that's what friends are

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:23pm.

Hey, that's what friends are for.  

So...did I make your day yet? ; )

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~Oh totally

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:31pm.

Be a pal and hand me that skinning knife, will ya? I'm almost done here.
 

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No way.  I'm doing my best as

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:33pm.

No way.  I'm doing my best as an atheist to spread the holiday cheer and finally reach world peace, one Newsbusters thread at a time.  

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~Good luck with that

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:48pm.

Guess I'll give this beautiful troll-skin coat to someone else. Look at the lustrous sheen of that pelt...

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Suddenly I'm daydreaming

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 4:35pm.

Suddenly I'm daydreaming about shaving Joe the cat bald.  La dee da...

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Hold on Bru*

Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:48pm.

You may need this.

http://www.road-kill-cafe.com/roadkill.html

 

PS: please ignore the receipe for "radiator gator". Meant to take that one down before some Blonde gets upset.

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~Mmmmm

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 3:51pm.

Stop it, you're making me hungry!
 

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Why are we arguing over what

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:13pm.

Why are we arguing over what to call the happiest time of the year?  I'm not exactly a Christianist, and not much of a Jew, but we should be celebrating the holidays by being nicer to one another.

Just my 2 cents.  

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~You tell 'em, Ted

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:18pm.

Chew out the trolls starting a fight with Blumer and send them to police the latrine with a toothbrush.

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It's one of those times when

Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 2:22pm.

It's one of those times when I just want to yell STFU!!!  There are so many other threads to argue and get personal on, so let's just leave this one alone.

Here me trolls!  This is your leader, and I order you to retreat.  

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Judging by book references

Submitted by troglodyt on Fri, 12/17/2010 - 8:47pm.

Christmas is losing big time. And as always the winner is: Google. Very nice tool:

christmas shopping season vs. holiday shopping season

http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=holiday+shopping+season,christmas+shopping+season&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3

christmas shopping vs. holiday shopping

http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=holiday+shopping,christmas+shopping+&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3

Stalin vs. Hitler (remarkably in sync over the last years)

http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Stalin,Hitler&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3

Kennedy vs. Reagan

http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Kennedy,Reagan&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3

liberalism vs conservatism 

http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=liberalism,conservatism&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3

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Wow. Obsessed much?

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:24pm.

This post answered your ignorant "there's more economic news reporting now" pseudo-argument. Note that decade-by-decade searches at the New York Times corroborate the self-evident media shift.

I don't think the Times places about 5 times more emphasis on economic matters as it did in previous decades.

Thus I must once again note that you have been argued into the ground, and that your failure to acknowledge it doesn't change the fact that you've been argued into the ground.

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Even CNSNews is apparently brainwashed

Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:17am.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/americans-boost-spending-heading-holiday

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This was an AP article on a

Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:39pm.

This was an AP article on a CNS website.  Big difference.  The article doesn't mention if inflation has been taken into account.  I, for one, am spending more because gas and groceries are both costing me more.  I'm also somewhat confused as to how spending and saving are both increasing.  Quite a feat the AP is reporting.

Proud member of the 53%!
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Oh for heck's sake ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 2:35pm.

... the guy can't even distinguish between wire service content and CNS-created content. What a maroon.

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Oh

Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 01/06/2011 - 1:32pm.

I can distinguish between AP content and CNS content. That they posted the AP item would be evidence for your claim that they have been brainwashed. If they had written the report themselves they would be brainwashing. 

You want more? How about NB itself:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/12/26/sunday-open-thread

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???

Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 01/06/2011 - 1:37pm.

  What does an open thread have to do with your conversation concerning news content?

  The Idiot to English translator on the fritz again? I told you not to force German 3.75 Volt batteries in there. Now we have to buy a new one and it is coming out of your paycheck.

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We are past news content

Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 01/06/2011 - 1:46pm.

and in the brainwashing and/or pc section. Assuming Noel wrote the open thread introduction that would mean he is a victim of one of them (following Tom's rationale). 

Happy New Year by the way.

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