Obama: 'Little Doubt' We're in Recession. Where's the Outrage?

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Remember the grief Dick Cheney received in late 2000, and then President Bush in early 2001, when they were accused of “talking down the economy”? We already know from history that the economy had already slipped into negative growth during the third quarter of 2000; so it's fair to say in hindsight that Cheney and Bush were actually observing reality.

Specifically, Cheney's 2000 statement was that "we may well be on the front edge of a recession here," while Bush's 2001 claim was a milder "You know better than me that our economy is slowing down."

So what will be the reaction be to the Sunday assertion by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama that there's "little doubt" the country is in a recession, when no negative growth has occurred?

Here's an excerpt (HT to Matt at Weapons of Mass Discussion) from the coverage of Associated Press reporter Glen Johnson:

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Barack Obama said Saturday there is "little doubt we've moved into recession," underscoring the country's need for a second economic stimulus package, swift steps to shore up the housing market and a long-term energy policy to reduce reliance on foreign oil imports.

..... (Obama) delivered perhaps his most definitive judgment to date on the health of the U.S. economy, according to aides.

"I have little doubt that we've moved into recession at this point, and the sooner we can get money into people's pockets, the sooner that we can stabilize the housing market, and the sooner that we can send a message to the markets that we're serious about creating an energy policy that will create greater energy efficiency over the next decade or so, I think the sooner we're going to get our fundamentals right," he said.

Johnson conveniently "forgot" to tell us that $92 billion has already been put "into people's pockets" in the form of economic stimulus payments during April, May, and June.

Anyway, concerning Obama's remarks, we can expect a chorus of criticism from the politicians and the press that he is talking the economy down ..... right?

Of course, we're not in a recession yet, because there hasn't even been one official quarter of negative growth, let alone two. Additionally, Alexander Paris at Barron's expresses the current rough consensus that "second-quarter growth will be no worse than the first quarter," which came in at an annualized 1%.

But the Illinois senator may be "right," in the sense that a downturn may have indeed begun. If so, he's one of the major reasons why.

I believe there's a good chance that the economy began heading into a downturn about 30 days ago. While the Institute for Supply Management's (ISM's) Manufacturing Index went into expansion territory in June after four months of contraction, real (not seasonally adjusted) job growth was disappointing, leading to reported seasonally adjusted job losses for the sixth straight month.

But the real kick in the teeth came from ISM's Non Manufacturing Index, which in June unexpectedly went from expansion to contraction in a serious way.

To me, the combined results just noted indicate that the three people who seem most determined to drive the economy into a downturn, and even a real recession, are finally achieving some "success." Those three people would be Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Harry Reid. Their actions, and their apparent control over our current destiny, are why on July 3 I began calling our economy the POR (Pelosi-Obama-Reid) Economy.

Pelosi and Reid are bound and determined to prevent any additional drilling for oil. This means that they're not only perfectly comfortable with gas prices at their current $4-plus level; they're okey-dokey if, as appears likely, prices go even higher. Obama clearly has no problem with Pelosi's and Reid's positions.

But Obama is going even further to tank the economy by staying with his proposals to enact massive tax increases in the neighborhood of $200 billion a year when he takes office. His proposals will negatively affect investor expectations as long as he is seen as having a reasonable chance of winning.

With static assumptions, inflicting the Clinton-Era tax rates on high-earners, closing so-called "loopholes" in partnerships and Sub-S corporations, and increasing capital-gains taxes would siphon about $160 billion out of the pockets of those who are, for the most part, the economy's biggest contributors. Meanwhile Obama's proposal to apply the 12.4% Social Security tax to all wage and self-employment income above $250,000 would, in theory, raise another $40 billion a year.

Of course, it's highly unlikely that all of this revenue will be raised, because those confronted with these increases will attempt to adjust their compensation packages away from salaries and towards perks and stock options. Some will sell their businesses out to larger firms; others may vote with their feet and leave the country altogether. It doesn't take a lot of behavior change to create a significant shortfall in collections.

Given what those who are inflicting the POR Economy on us are already doing, Obama's latest "little doubt" statement is best seen as insurance -- just in case the potentially ruinous items just noted aren't sufficiently effective. Paris's opinion expressed at Barron's is that "there is good reason to expect a milder and shallower economic downturn." I hope that growth is somehow able to stay positive, but we're fighting seriously threatening headwinds fanned by Pelosi, Obama, and Reid.

Surely there are some in the business press who recognize what is at work here. When will anyone call the POR Economy's perpetrators out for what they are doing, and saying?

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters


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There will be no outrage and the coverage will be positive

This Obama statement will be used by the MSM to 'prove' that Phil Graham was 'wrong' when he said it's all in our heads. Even though the data supports Graham and cantradicts Obama, the liberal media will not care. Whatever their messiah says, must be true and defended at all costs as if it's true.

They are wishing and praying (to whom, I know not) that we will gave at least 1Q of negative growth before election day.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

.. and this Recession will End the Day after I'm Elected

Of course this "recession" will end the day after Obama is elected President of the United States of America.  Soon an inspired news media will fill the airwaves with stories of hope and prosperity. A never before seen rekindling of the American Spirit.

 

Of course it will...

They will just change the definition, once again.

A poor economy is Obama's

A poor economy is Obama's only hope and the dems know that.  The war on terror is off the table since we are winning and the left cannot convince the public to ignore the facts, despite the msm not even covering the war anymore.  The fact that the economy has slowed the way it has since the democrats took over Congress and the reckless policies they desire as mentioned above, this election should be a slam dunk for republicans.  The question is can John McCain stay out of his own way and capitalize?

Only hope

Absolutely, you took the words from my mouth.  Poor economy, Dems win (or at least have a chance).  (The preception of) losing in Iraq, Dems win (or at least have a chance).  Criticize Obama, #1 sin these days.

Redefine the word "recession"?  That is the game people (Dems and MSM) like to play these days.  So if Obama redefines the word "recession", who can criticize him (and not be criticized for it)?

 

Numbers don't equal recession?

"No, I meant MENTAL recession...

...it was just an unfortunate choice of words."

Mixed messages

Gee, I guess ABC didn't get the memo.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Caused by ...

Drum roll Please ... The Democrats in Congress blocking new sources of energy. It's the oil, stupid, the world runs on oil.

Obamabi, well what can you say, he seems to know nothing about anything. 

Obama can't define recession

A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth. Based upon that definition there is no recession apart from the MSM seeking to promote one thinking it will somehow be advantageous to the dems in the upcoming election. He needs to be called on this outright lie.

that's so true

That is one more proof that dems don't care about numbers and facts. It's all about feelings. They are not good at analytical thinking anyway.

He can say "I feel there is a recession" and all his followers believe him. They don't bother to look for a definition or any numbers to back up his feelings.

Dems thrive on bad news. They need to make everything look bad. They even destroy things just to convince people that they are going to fix later.

 

 

change

If there was nothing wrong, we wouldn't need 'change'.

 BO - "Change, because that's all you'll have left."

We haven't had a Recession in the United Stated since 1991

According to the definition of a Recession, we haven't had a Recession in the United Stated since Q4 1990 - Q1 1991.

But why let definitions and statistics get in the way of a good talking point?

 

Tom - thanks for your link to bea.gov. It's nice to look at the actuall stats without the MSM filtering them for us.

And you want these folks in charge of health care?

Talking down the economy? Why doesn't anyone name names? My friends, I give you Senator and Democrat leader, Charles Schumer of New York.

"NEW YORK (AP) -- Sen. Charles Schumer on Sunday defended himself against claims by regulators that he was partially to blame for a run on IndyMac Bancorp Inc. that led to the bank's takeover by the government Friday. At a news conference Sunday, the New York Democrat deflected blame cast upon him by regulators for causing a run on the bank that saw depositors withdraw more than $1.3 billion during the 11 days after Schumer released a letter about the possible risks of IndyMac failing."

Schumer's defense is that the bank was in bad shape to begin with. This is logically equivalent to a doctor giving a patient an overdose, then defending his actions by pointing out that the patient was already in bad shape.

"Assisted bankicide"

Perfect analogy, KC (dr/patient)

I'll take it one step further: Sen. Chuckie 'Kavorkian' Schumer. 

There is a recession in one

There is a recession in one area. newspaper stocks are way down, newspaper profits are way down, newspapers are laying off workers, and advertising is way off. The rest of the economy however is doing fine.

everything is cyclical

I was thinking about the "mental recession" comments this morning. If your peripheral vision includes industries in decline, you think everything is in decline, but you may not be looking at the big picture.

Every industry goes through cycles, whether you are talking about newspapers, steel, oil or computers.

Life would be boring if everything remained constant.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

How do you defend this idiot?

Econ 101?

Milton Freedman?

He did not take the class.

No outrage?

HE'S A GOD!

HE IS THEIR GOD!

AND HE IS AN IDIOT!!!

There's a recession if we

There's a recession if we say there is, dammit!!!

/sarc

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Matthews on the 2000 - 2001 tanking economy.

Thanks for the links to the view in 2000-2001, Tom. Reminded me of an exchange between Chris Matthews and Al Gore, later in 2002. Matthews had missed the entire economic tragedy for the millions of Americans suffering through that bubble collapse and resulting recession, and here even Gore started to correct Matthews, but quickly remembered that there is a script here to be followed: 

MATTHEWS: Just as an observer again, I thought your campaign last time, it should have been very positive. It should almost be a bragging tour of America because we had excellent economic numbers and right through 2000, everybody was in the market and making money. The middle class was saving. The work working people were having jobs. Hispanics, highest unemployment, lowest unemployment, lowest black unemployment, lowest women's unemployment, all the good numbers and yet your campaign had sort of a complaining character to it.

Things are wrong. They weren't what they should be. If you do it again, would you correct that kind of tonal change?

GORE: It's an interesting analysis. You know, the markets started down, the economy started down in March of 2000 ..

No, apparently Matthews didn't know - and the rest of the MSM forgot as well. It's indeed, an interesting analysis Chris Matthews - interesting, but incorrect.

Still downplaying the last real recession...billy boy's

 THIS IS FROM MSNBC.MSN.COM (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25628470/).  Note how that despite the fact that Bill Clinton's recession was almost as long as, if not longer than other recessions (however they chose to define them), it is still "brief".  So, it would have been the negative gdp growth during the last quarter of Clinton (2007) which would give the necessary economic indicator to show that the economy was in a recession in march 2008 (in other words, it was going downhill fast when Bush took office).  So, because a democrat caused it with failed policies, it was brief, but because a republican took it over and fixed it, no credit is given.  McCain's slogan should be, "Recessions: democrats cause them, democrats make them worse, Republicans fix them."

Jan. 4, 2002 to Oct. 9, 2002
S&P 500 loss: 33.8 percent
Duration in days: 278

Causes:
WorldCom and Enron's accounting fraud sparked fears that more firms could be artificially boosting their bottom lines. (Some market technicians consider the period from January 2000 through October 2002 to be a single bear market that contained a short-lived bear market rebound rather than two distinct bear markets with a brief bull market between them.)

March 24, 2000 to Sept. 21, 2001
S&P 500 loss: 36.83 percent
Duration in days: 546

Causes:
The bursting of the dot-com bubble, following a period of soaring stock prices and exuberant speculation on new Internet companies. The United States entered a brief recession in March 2001.

July 17, 1998 to Aug. 31, 1998
S&P 500 loss: 19.3 percent
Duration in days: 45 - the shortest bear market on record.

Causes:
Hedge fund Long Term Capital Management collapsed, requiring a rescue organized by the U.S. Federal Reserve.

July 16, 1990 to Oct. 11, 1990
S&P 500 loss: 19.9 percent
Duration in days: 87

Causes:
The United States entered recession in July. Iraq invaded Kuwait in early August.

Aug. 25, 1987 to Dec. 4, 1987
S&P 500 loss: 33.5 percent
Duration in days: 101

Causes
After a prolonged bull run, computerized "program trading" strategies swamped the market and contributed to the Black Monday stock market crash. Investors were also nervous after a heated debate between the United States and Germany over currency valuations, sparking fears of a devaluation of the dollar.

Oct. 10, 1983 to July 24, 1984
S&P 500 loss: 14.4 percent
Duration in days: 288

Causes:
Inflation, thought to have been brought under control two years earlier, made a comeback, driving benchmark U.S. Treasury bond yields back to a peak near 14 percent by May 1984.

Nov. 28, 1980 to Aug. 12, 1982
S&P 500 loss: 27.1 percent
Duration in days: 622

Causes:
After nearly a decade of major outbreaks of inflation, the Federal Reserve raised interest rates to nearly 20 percent, pushing the economy into recession.

Sept. 12, 1978 to March 27, 1980
S&P 500 loss: 8.2 percent
Duration in days: 562

Causes:
Stagflation reached full maturity, with the annual inflation rate topping 14.5 percent by April 1980.

Sept. 21, 1976 to March 6, 1978
S&P 500 loss: 19.4 percent
Duration in days: 531

Causes:
Stagflation began emerging as a threat.

Jan. 11, 1973 to Oct. 3, 1974
S&P 500 loss: 48.2 percent
Duration in days: 630

Causes
The Watergate scandal erupted, ultimately forcing President Richard Nixon to resign. The Arab-Israeli war and oil embargo sent oil prices soaring, sparking a recession. The annual consumer inflation rate topped 10 percent.

bubbletech - interesting data

bubbletech - interesting data. That's actually a pretty good summary. What would be very helpful in this environment of media bashing the economy - and losing all perspective of past history and how the darn thing works - would be MSNBC, and others, putting this information out front and discussing it in the pubic arena - as an integral part of most discussions on recessions and bear markets. Imagine the shock impact for the bulk of the, "oh, if only we could return to the warm and economically blissful days of the Clinton era," folks.

It is interesting to note, that the 1 1/2 year long Clinton bear market, from March 24, 2000 to Sept. 21, 2001 was the longest on record since the 1 3/4's year long Carter bear market.

Of course, the little note, "(Some market technicians consider the period from January 2000 through October 2002 to be a single bear market that contained a short-lived bear market rebound rather than two distinct bear markets with a brief bull market between them.)" really tells the story; the period from March 24, 2000 to Oct. 9th, 2002 was really one big nasty bear market lasting 929 days, or 2 1/2 years, and according to at least one rad liberal economist, Dean Baker, in March of 2001, to say:

As a result, millions of families have seen their dreams of a secure retirement or their children's college education vanish with the stock market bubble. The level of negligence of the nation's political leaders in ignoring the stock bubble exceeds anything since the days of Herbert Hoover.

Now, find that news flash in the pages of the MSM, would someone? 

For the record, I'm not really one that believes, generically, that an administration should be blamed for such events, but the fact of the matter is, in this case as usual, the MSM sought to censor any connection to the Clinton  admin while usually pointing the finger at the Bush admin. This goes for all of the pain that accompanied that bear market and recession, as well - including the disappearance of the so-called "projected surpluses" and the return to huge federal deficits. (;~> gary

In A Recession

I expected to read something about the Fannie/Freddie feed. Who is picking up the tab? How will it positively affect our economy? Why is the same bailout unavailable to private business? What happens next time? How will the Social Security refinancing affect our economy?

The libs have begun assessing a dollar value to life, imagine the future possibilities with regard to eliminating recession.

JDW

SAPPY NEWS

DAILY WAVE

Obama says were in a recession

What economy is Obama talking about?  The one with 3% growth last   quarter, or the one with increased productivity or the one with 94%employment?   Or is it the one described in Marxist Black Liberation theol;ogy terms, Obama's only known source of formal economic exposure, which of course, he has never discussed.