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Kos: What If Christians Were Treated as Badly as Muslims?

By Tim Graham | January 01, 2011 | 00:15

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Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas was upset on Thursday that Gary Bauer would claim that Muslims would fare much worse if they were treated like Christians are in Ameica. He shot back: "wait, what if Christians were treated like Muslims?"

Christians would be racially profiled at public places and transportation hubs. Christians wouldn't be allowed to build churches wherever they pleased. Christians wouldn't be allowed to wear their traditional garb without mocking and angry looks. Christians wouldn't be allowed to say the word "Jesus" without triggering alarm bells at the NSA. Christians wouldn't be allowed to go to church without having their property vandalized, and even being physically attacked. Christians would be the villain in every action thriller. Christians wouldn't be able to run for office without having bigots accuse them of being in league with terrorists.

The weirdest claim is that "Christians would be the villain in every action thriller." Every? How many action thrillers since 9/11 have had Muslim villains? Some film versions of books with Muslim villains were scrubbed clean when they became movies.

Moulitsas finished: "I could also go on and on and on. You know who really gets screwed? Atheists. Discuss."

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double standard

Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:11am.

If anyone remembers "Heroes" in its first season,(you can see this if you have the DVD set) there was a character who had a power that basically made him nuclear.  And the plot was that a nuclear explosion would happen NYC caused by someone losing control of his power.  The guy who had the power was a white guy who looked almost redneck-ish.

That whole plot got changed from the original pilot idea which in fact they were going to use a nuke and a character (not the one portrayed in the first season aired) also had a nuclear power but the difference was, it was a Muslim character(actor who played him was later to play an African who had the power to see the future in the second season) who had the plot to set off a dirty bomb in NYC and another Muslim had the radioactive power to provide them with radioactive material by irradiating it with his hands.  They even said as part of that unaired pilot that the radioactive guy was the 20th "hijacker" of 9/11 who was never caught.(only seen it once, drawing from memory)  The point was, the guys were Muslim.  Common plot too.

So it's safe to say they got it cleaned up to be politically correct.  Probably just as well as the direction it went flowed better than the original idea, but you be the judge.  Some say it was such a common plot that they didn't want to be like "24" or whatever.

And NCIS did an episode where a Christian did a terrorist attack, don't know of any other examples.

-Jon

Happy New Year

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LOOK!

Submitted by miss911ninja on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:14am.

LOOK! It's a guy in "traditional Christian garb! He sure does stick out in a crowd in those jeans and a baseball cap!

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Officer HELP !!!

Submitted by AGreer on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:39am.

That SCARY guy with the Cubs cap and American Flag t-shirt on...

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Scary Wife

Submitted by miss911ninja on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:53am.

His wife is scary too, in her Christian garb. She looks pretty hot though, in her leggings, L.L. Bean parka, and Uggs.

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Cubs hat?

Submitted by optimist on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 2:44am.

You better look out for that Christian in the Phils or Eagles hat.  He may detonate several boo bombs on you!

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Actually, if he's wearing a

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:24am.

Actually, if he's wearing a Phils or Eagles hat, run.  He may be detonating more than a boo.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Clemmens-Vomit-Phillies-Fan...

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Yeah, Christians are always

Submitted by rbosque on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:23am.

Yeah, Christians are always bombing Mosques, dragging Muslims into the street setting them on fire, killing imams, and marching down the streets of Riyadh bemanding special rights.

"It may be true that you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country"......Will Durant
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ALBANY -- Hate crimes across

Submitted by Cowboy on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:24am.

ALBANY -- Hate crimes across New York state jumped 14 percent in 2009, led by an increase in attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions, state records released yesterday show.   There were 683 hate crimes reported to police authorities across the state in 2009 compared with 599 in 2008, according to a report released by the state Division of Criminal Justice Services.
... Anti-Semitic incidents, which made up 37 percent of the reported hate crimes, were up 15 percent in one year, from 219 in 2008 to 251 in 2009.
... Crimes motivated by anti-Muslim sentiment rose from eight to 11.
  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ny_sees_surge_in_hate_IM7xmcNGdI0pEow...
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Interesting stats.  I'd like

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:27am.

Interesting stats.  I'd like to know the breakdown of the race and religion of the perpetrators of those crimes.  I doubt the answer would be politically correct.

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If Christians acted like

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:25am.

If Christians acted like muslims, you know, killing innocents, blowing up buildings, calling for death to others, I'm sure they would be treated like muslims. 

Let's have muslims act like Christians and see how muslims are treated then.

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Miss USA 2010

Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 2:01am.

I saw Miss USA 2010 Rima Fakih on Fox News briefly with Bill Hemmer and Megyn Kelly before midnight and she seemed like the warmest friendliest girl around.  Even did a google search and saw some very fetching pictures of her in a swimsuit photoshoot(ok, there's a reason I'm admitting to this), even one that made me say "holy crap!"  She's gorgeous!  Then comes the surprise.

I looked up her background and was surprised to find out she's a Muslim, from Lebanon who moved to America with her parents.  From what I can tell, they don't practice the religion as hard core as some other Muslims would have preferred or she wouldn't have been in the contest at all, let alone doing those bikini pics and swimsuit competition.  I would gather that she might not want to try to convert anyone to Islam and would respect others' religions including Christianity.  From what I dug up, she said she appreciates the spiritual part and not the hard core translation done by the types like jihadists and so on.  Probably would be called a moderate or something.

Having said that, I suspect that if she were to go back to Lebanon or some other Muslim country, if she didn't have constant security, she would be killed pretty quick, eespecially now that she's going into the new year to give up the crown title(even though she'll be Miss USA of 2010).

-Jon

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i think a lot of moderate Muslims get a bad rap

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 2:15am.

Radical Islam is evil there is no doubt about it. The problem radical Islamist are not a small number, there are many of them. Just last week they planned to do a shooting spree at the location in Denmark where the cartoonist worked. We see images of them today blowing themselves up outside Churches, cares and trying attempting to bring down planes on Christmas day It's unfortunate, but we cannot let our guard down or Sharia Law could be upon us and we won't even know how it happened
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Considering how muslims

Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 2:35am.

cover their woman and kill gays, makes a Freudian wonder?
 

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Good evening Shawn

Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 2:50am.

Read the quran. Anyone that lives by its commandmenta and obeys them is not a moderate. The quran orders all muslims to be women and children abusers and murdering assasins.

Have a blessed year.

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

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Good evening Coco

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 3:05am.

Afghan food is one of my favorite foods and the guy that works at the restaurant I frequent is Muslim and hangs an American flag out front However I do not believe it will do any good explaining this to you, because if I am not mistaken, you said we should kick them all out of the country. When I asked you how we would do this, considering they would be protected under the constitution, you got offended and expalined how simple It would be and got irked when I asked for a detailed plan. That was you right? You have a blessed New Year as well.
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Shawn

Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 3:24am.

Your friend is not a true muslim if he is living a life contrary to the commandments in the quran.

Anyone that lives a life contrary to the commandments in the bible is not a true christian either.

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

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Well Coco

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 3:32am.

I guess there are many non true Muslims that live here because many do not advocate violence. Like I said Cocodrie your opinion is to kick them all out of the country anyways, so it is pretty obvious where you stand The Muslims I know are hard working and proud Americans.
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Well Shawn

Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 4:18am.

There is also a difference between Americans and those who want to destroy America. You approve of compromise, I don't. Look aroung the world and observe if you will what true Islam is. If Islam takes over America your hard working proud Americans will be coming for you to behead you. If they don't come for you they will lose their own heads.

 

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Well Cocodrie

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 10:09am.

I am not a big fan if their religion. Radical Islam is a very scary thing indeed. The home grown terrorism threat is a huge up and coming problem I said that I approve of the character of the Muslims I know, but not their religion. Coco I saw you say not too long ago that liberals never give details and back up their points or ideas so I am hoping you can live up to your own high standards There are many Muslims that live in the United States now. What is the best way to deal with them at the moment if they have done nothing wrong? If your solution is to kick them out, please tell me how you plan to achieve this. Let's kick them out is much like " bring em on" Sounds cool and catchy, but it might offend many people without implementing details, it is pretty useless. Edit
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Sorry Shawn

Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:32pm.

There is no difference between "radical" and "moderate' islam. They all obey the same book and it is satanic in origin.

Is there no limit to your compromise?

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

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your arguments are black and

Submitted by TruthMonger on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:55pm.

your arguments are black and white and not ready for prime time I'm afraid - working with moderate islamist FOR NOW will be more productive against muslim terrorists

and "for now" will likely be centuries - but that's the only realistic and prudent thing to do for now

it is not helpful to the WOT to put moderates in the same league with radicals - it hampers progress - and thats what the radicals want actually - should we give the terrorists what they want? i don't think so

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Ahhh not answering the question I see

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:56pm.

I am not saying we should change our laws to appease them, i am saying we can be friends with them Again coco what would be your plan to kick them out? U want to set a good debating examples for the liberals u accuse of not explaining what they mean don't u? ;-)
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Shawn, "The Muslims I know are hard working and proud Americans.

Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 3:15pm.

Why don't you test that theory out!!

Better hope them porn magazines, don't slip out of your, reusable shopping bag.

Best of Luck Shawn, Sharing your special  American culture, to moslems.

Proud Americans, sorry pal, they are moslems first...

You Didn't Build That.

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Nice one UCW

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 3:32pm.

Bringing up porn in this thread to get your point across. Extremely clever and creative. This guy along with his wife works from 11 in the morning to 8 at night making Kabobs and other delicious foods on a grill in a place that has no AC He does this in all day without complaint and all his customers love him. Sorry UCW, liking a Muslim is hardly wrong why dont you tell me what you would suggest we do with the Muslims in this country? Please answer the question seriously not facetiously
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Thanks Shawn, ;-) Classic dhimmitude

Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 4:54pm.

You go and spend your money for food in their restaurant.

What's not to like from their viewpoint?

Pre- 2001 I spent time in Indonesia and was surrounded by millions of moslems, I didn't know squat about moslems, now I do.

moslems desire to establish and adhere to a political MO.

Here is my answer to your question.

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God

moslems commit ...Citizenship FAIL all the time... deportation is the answer, ain't going to happen tho...

 

One must not point out the depredations of jihad and dhimmitude; to do so would offend the multiculturalist ethos that prevails everywhere today. To do so would endanger chances for peace and rapprochement between civilizations all too ready to clash.


 

You Didn't Build That.

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That is not an answer UCW

Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 5:34pm.

I had to that exact same oath ten years ago when I got my citizenship. I am as protective of this country as you are. You know how I feel about personal freedoms. I would die fighting for our rights just like you. We have tens of thousands of Muslims living here in the United States. I like to try to live in peace with the ones that do not want to kill us. I'm sorry if u feel there is something wrong with that. How do we deport these Muslims? If they have citizenship are they not protected under the constitution? Just like I asked Cocodrie, if we were to deport these folk, please tell me your master plan Let's start off by how would you round them up?
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shawn, Whaaat?/? "deportation is the answer"

Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:46am.

I copied that from my post, Give me a clue, what is the definition of deportation?....

These things take deck-ages to happen.... FYI the first mosk in America was built about 1930's, may take that long to see if they meet compliance, pal. Sheesh The point is a starting point, akin to waving the green flag/ firing the start gun/pistol.

HellOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo deportation starts TODAY..

Oh yea...... ;-)

You Didn't Build That.

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This is alot like talking to ADK

Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 01/03/2011 - 1:27am.

...........in slow motion :-) it took you almost two days to come up with that witty comeback. Wow that is almost but not quite as clever as the porn in a reusable bag comment. BTW, just for fun I bought. Maxim magazine before I got takeout today and had it in my hand. The owner gave me a big smile and the same awesome service I always get and he did not comment on the magazine at all. Sorry UWC, I see no other choice but to be civil and not consider Muslims already living in this country my enemy unless the majority gives me a reason not to Your patriotic cut and paste Is great fior scoring brownie points with the NB faithful, but please be specific about how to start with your deportation process. Thank you :-)
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Backward nwahs, geez whinner...

Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 01/04/2011 - 4:21pm.

In the 4 years you have posted here..

What are the issues to you?  Oh, yea your # 1.pet peeve.. butting in YOUR threads/ YOUR comments on other threads..

The answer to that, is to email the poster not to post on a BLOG.

I told you that 4 years ago, still making issues about that, (not on this thread, however) ...;-)

 I waited 2 dazes to post, "so ADK like" YAWN, and this is the best arguing point you have. ha ha ha.

My dad told me why re-invent the wheel.... Tis why I cut and paste..

I have No idea what Maxim magazine is? ( I do now)

Deportation is the answer, as I stated 3 times.

Their allegiance is to islam, a state-within-the-state. moslems are a political tyranny They violate American immigration oath.

At the time of his sentencing Judge Goldman asked Mr. Shahzad if he took the Oath of U.S. Citizenship. “I did swear,” Shahzad replied. “But I did not mean it.”
 

You Didn't Build That.

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Your post makes no sense

Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 01/04/2011 - 4:35pm.

You states deportation 3 times I asked deportation details 3 times. The rest of your post makes no sense. I think carrier pigeons have quicker replies than you.
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Are you channeling bal?

Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 01/04/2011 - 6:13pm.

Deportation means the expulsion of a person or group of people from a place or country.

Goes hand in hand with a word: Refugee.

You Didn't Build That.

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Umm no r u channelin. Leon?

Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 01/04/2011 - 6:19pm.

Enough games Leon/Hater Are you going to give details about now to deport Muslims living here legally or not? I'm guessing not :-)
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How did they get here shawn?

Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 01/04/2011 - 7:03pm.

They can leave the same way.

 

The mechanism (deportation) is many and varied, heck 228,  even privatize the program.

I'm sure you are thinking in/ angeling for, that conservative "solution" such as this... Soylent green front end loader crowd control scenes. Jump to 3:16

The scoops are on their way....

You Didn't Build That.

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Nice clip

Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 01/04/2011 - 10:15pm.

I enjoyed watching it. I love sarcasm, I am quite sarcastic myself. The difference between you and I is I will answer a serious question if asked. You can continue to to emulate Satchmo minus the incest "hopefully" for a while or you can give me a serious answer How can you deport somebody that has American Citizenship if they did not break any laws? You can take the Nwahs route and say.....we can deport them by boat or plane or u can give me a serious answer. I will be more happy to open a forum topic if you wish :-)
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Out of the mouth of babes,"if they did not break any laws?"

Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 01/05/2011 - 4:33am.

Yea, pal, that's the issue, broken laws.

"Oath violation" is the crime...

What on earth is wrong with you??

A political problem is the desire to enforce the law, and when will that change? 

Awake the sleeping giant ,akin to  an 1683 event.

As you can see, the notion that Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in harmony under Islamic rule is a lie. This list is just a small sampling of events during the "Golden Age of Islam." Muslims continued to battle non-Muslims after the first Crusade in 1095, culminating in the battle at the gates of Vienna in 1683. This shows how far the Muslim armies had advanced; they did not conquer these lands in peace; there was no peaceful coexistence.

Sure keep repeating history, it outta be different this time, eh. ;-)

You Didn't Build That.

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islam is slavery. Period.

Submitted by Army Brat on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 3:37am.

  Submission is at the core of islam and I'm not the submittin' kinda guy.  Under sharia law, that makes me  in need of killin'. Period. I will not submit and I won't pay the jizya.  Under islamic law that leaves one thing.  Death to this here Infidel.

  Where islamic law is the law of the land bad things happen.

 this from JIhadwatch

Anti-human rights riots in Pakistan during nationwide strike to uphold blasphemy law

Markets were closed and roads deserted: people were staying inside, hoping the wrath of these Islamic supremacists wouldn't fall upon them. "Violence as Pakistan strikes over blasphemy law," by Hasan Mansoor for AFP, December 31 (thanks to Block Ness):

KARACHI, Pakistan (AFP) - Violence flared Friday as police and protesters clashed during a mass protest strike that closed businesses across Pakistan over a bid to end the death penalty for blasphemy.

Police said protesters near the home of unpopular President Asif Ali Zardari in the financial hub of Karachi pelted stones as they shouted slogans including "We'll sacrifice our lives -- we'll save the sanctity of the Prophet".

Teargas shells were fired to disperse them, while normally busy town centres turned quiet across the Muslim country, AFP reporters said, following a move to amend a law which permits death sentences for those found to have blasphemed.

Conservative religious groups called for a national strike after thousands of Islamists rallied in major cities last week against any change to the law, which rights campaigners say encourages Islamist extremism.

The strike went ahead despite a categorical announcement by deputy information minister Samsam Bokhari on Thursday that the government had no intention of amending the controversial law.

AFP reporters said markets were closed on Friday and roads deserted in the otherwise bustling cities of Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar, Islamabad and its neighbouring garrison town of Rawalpindi.

Demonstrators said their goal was to defend the honour of the Prophet Mohammed.

"Prophet Mohammed." AFP, like all mainstream media outlets, has decided we're all Muslims now.

"We will start a civil disobedience movement if the government makes any amendment to the law," the chairman of influential Muslim grouping the Sunni Ittehad Council, Sahebzada Fazal Karim, told AFP....
  The reason this came up is because there's a Christian woman under death sentence for blasphemy.  She was the lone Christian amongst a group of muslim women and they insulted and condemned her constantly.  They are the ones that made the complaint.
 This is what happens in muslim lands.  The rulers are the imams the ayatollahs.  They direct the mob and the mob moves as told...to protec islam, to prevent reform.
Look at the slaughter of Christians going on now in Nigeria by muslims. Look at what has happened in Russia and what is happening there even now. In Thailand they strike daily as they do in the Phillipines... They do as the koran directs them, as their religious leaders tell them and they are the ones to blame.
This just happened...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/31/explosion-hits-egypt-church-inju...
 You might want to read the koran sometime.  Death to this one and those and the other ones.  Over half of the thing is death to someone.
  I hate anyone that would blow themselves up and kill innocents in the process, however I reserve my greatest hatred for the bloody imams whose names we know.  Alawaki?sp...  comes to mind.  Kill in the name of islam he says and tells them what a beautiful afterlife they will have in Paradise for killing in the name of islam.  They feed on the faithful, the enraptured, the spiritual to further a political cause.  The spread of islam and the sharia slavery that accompanies it.
 You should read what those that have left islam have to say about it, now that they can speak and not be put to death for it...
I don't hate muslims...they are the victims of islam and one does not blame the victim of something, you help them get better...and that does NOT mean bringing them to Buddha, Vishnu or Cthulu...just free of islam and all that it entails. 
Search "dancing boys of Afghanistan" and watch the video.  See how widespread and accepted the practices you see there are in the land of sharia.  See the "little green book of islamic jurisprudence" and get back to me.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
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The Copts have been under attack for some time in Egypt.

Submitted by Army Brat on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 3:03am.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/31/explosion-hits-egypt-church-inju...

  I can post literally dozens of links to attacks on Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc. that happen every month at the hands of the misunderstanders of islam.  There are generally around two a day in general against whoever will not submit to sharia law, to islam.

islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
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Not misunderstanders.

Submitted by Cyborg 0427 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 8:42am.

Sorry to tell you they are not misunderstanders. The sad fact is  they understand and you misunderstand. Contrary to the tripe that is being sold to America by the MSM Islam is not a religion of peace. It's not even a religion as westerners understand religion, it is a totalitarian ideaology because they will accept nothing less than total domination. Not just in religious affairs but government and the penial system down to control of everyday life. Islam is the enemy that is not only on our doorstep but has their foot in the door already. all these nice friendly ones will change if sharia law comes. Count on it.

You can lead a liberal to logic but you can't make them think.
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I guess you didn't read the post I just made above...?

Submitted by Army Brat on Mon, 01/03/2011 - 3:13am.

I call them "misunderstanders of islam" with full on sarcasm.   Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch coined the phrase if I'm not mistaken.

 I'm willing to bet I know far more about the Death Cult that is islam than you do, so don't presume to teach your Grandmother how to suck eggs...if ya know what I mean...

   I've had the debate about whetther or not islam is a religion.  I decided long ago that it is a totalitarian form of government in the guise of a religion.  I get plenty of flack at Jihadwatch for that observation as many there believe that it should be seen as a religion for purposes of destroying it...which is my goal for sure.

  Have you perused the pages of the "little green book of islamic jurisprudence?  sickness...

Are you aware that mo enjoyed sucking on the tongues of young boys and girls?  Did you know he had sex with a corpse?  Did you know that he liked to have men lick his chest?  The list of perversions and deviant behavior is endless.

 

Now...tell me again about how I misunderstand....

islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
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Amen!

Submitted by truckinmann on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 6:44am.

Radical1979, you just hit the nail on the head! It's not about who you are, it's about what you do. As far as this articles examples of supposed unfairness toward muslims, I thought the part about racial profiling was the most absurd. They are purposely skipping over the middle eastern types and searching white Christian types and grandmothers, so as not to appear to be racial profiling. As far as the not being able to build their mosques wherever they want, just what the hell is he talking about? The one at ground zero? The last I heard it was still a go ahead, even though the majority of New Yorkers, and more importantly, the families of the victims from the cowardly attacks on Sept. 11 2001, do not want this mosque built there, as it says to the radical element of the muslim world, "Blow up a building and kill a bunch of innocent people and they let you build a mosque". The leftist will always point their fingers at Timothy McVeah as an example of a Christian terrorist. The thing they won't mention is that McVeah did not blow up the building in the name of Jesus, or for that matter, as any kind of religious statement. He did it because he was pissed off at the federal government. This still didn't make it right, but the reporting that he was a Christian terrorist is nothing more than a bogus attempt to sweep the fact that muslims kill innocent peoples in the of name allah under the rug. There will always be nuts in the world and there will be some from every different religion and supposed non religion like atheism, (which I personally think requires more faith to believe God doesn't exist, than to believe He does exist, therefore making it a type of religion) and innocent people will die because of it. The facts speak for themselves about the muslim religion in that a much higher percentage of that faith commit terrorist acts and take innocent lives than any other modern day religion. (Yes I inserted the word modern, thus taking away the crusades argument. As I'm not discussing what happened hundreds of years ago but what is happening in our current lives.)

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~The Crusades

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 10:34am.

are the reason the Western world didn't fall under sharia law 800 years ago. We owe our ancestors a debt of gratitude.

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The Crusades

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:30am.

Don't you love how the history surrounding the Crusades has been re-written?  The left would like us to believe those evil Christians just went to the middle east to kill and conquer those peaceful muslims who were sitting around not doing anyone any harm.

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~We had our first narrow escape, then

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:49am.

And we're in the middle of the second wave. I can only hope that the West will wake up and do what it takes to make the world safe for another 800 years or so.

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Queen Isabella

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:53am.

What we need is another Spanish queen like her!
 

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Sum of All Fears

Submitted by AGreer on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:56am.

2002. The movie changed the terrorists into neo-nazis. In the book it was muslim terrorists (Palistinian ???) helped by E. German Marxists.

Major disappointment caused by Hollyweird PC wankers.

Happy New Year  to all my fellow Conservatives and Tea Folk.

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Move

Submitted by grammajane on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:31am.

These guys could join up with Islam and move where Christains are tormented and they could be a part of it. Happy New Year everyone and now, 2012, is just around the corner and hopefully.we will be back on track to continue our freedom and rights.

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Irony.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:51am.

  Much of what he described happening to Christians, actually happen to Christians in Arab countries. I think he might have missed that irony.

There is no religious freedom at all in the country. Any kind of public activity, such as possessing a Bible, wearing a crucifix or pray, is strictly forbidden. In too many cases Christians are persecuted, arrested and tortured. In April 2001 two people from the Philippines were arrested for worshipping Christ in their own house. They had to spend one month in jail after being brutally whipped. In May 2001, 11 Christians were arrested for praying together in a private house. In summer 2001, 13 Christians were arrested in Jedda, tortured ad whipped in the presence of the other prisoners. At the present moment, there are no priests in Saudi Arabia. The last one, an American priest, was forced to leave the country in 1985.      

Christians constitute the biggest non-Muslim group in Saudi Arabia. They are also well organised in prayer groups and Bible studies groups, especially in the main cities such as Riyadh, Jiddah, Al Jubayl and Damman. This is why they have become the favourite target of Saudi authorities. Last October two Christians from Egypt were arrested for praying in their own house. Prince Sultan Abdul Aziz Al-Saud made some pressure on the authorities and obtained their release. Participation to Christian meetings is quite dangerous. Christians have to be extremely careful, especially when they communicate the dates and places of the meetings. Furthermore, possession of non-Muslim material, such as rosaries, crosses, Bibles, etc., leads to the arrest  by the Muttawa'in, the Saudi religious police. Prohibition of professing any other religion than Islam is grounded on the belief that Saudi Arabia is holy ground. As a matter of fact, the holiness of the two cities of Mecca and Medina is extended to the rest of the country. Accusing people of preaching Christ is a common way to eliminate political dissidents.

Saudi Arabia is ruled by a hereditary monarchy which is grounded on the fundamentalist principles of Wahabi Islam. The government of the country is built on the principles of shari'ah. The Islamic law establishes the nature of the State, its goals and responsibilities, as well as its relationship with the people. Residents who are not Muslim are under the rule of the shari'ah as everybody else.

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Christians are being silenced more and more

Submitted by nkviking75 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 2:32am.

In this country Christians don't have it nearly as bad as they do in the Muslim world, but we are the ones expected to silence ourselves for fear we might offend someone.  Americans celebrate Christmas in a big way, but outside of church we can barely recognize the birth of Christ.  Some lefties would argue that strong evangelical Christian beliefs disqualify you for office.  I could go on and on and on.

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Muslims as a group have done

Submitted by mostlymoderate on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 2:36am.

Muslims as a group have done this to themselves.  Sure, there are good individual muslims but as a group, they are people nobody else wants to deal with.  No other religion preaches killing.  No other religion still treats women as second class citizens who have to cover their faces simply because men are not disciplined enough to get lustful.  I am not even going to get into the sharia law cr@p that scares the hell out of me (no pun intended)

 

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Christians are ...

Submitted by tdabbs on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 5:43am.

... treated much worse in Muslim countries than Muslims are here. They are not only profiled, but are under total religious persecution in most Muslim majority countries. 

Muslim women are treated poorly wherever they are, and its sanctioned by the religion. It reeaally sucks to be a Muslim woman!

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It's an inconvenient fact

Submitted by Jack Bauer on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 6:59am.

It's an inconvenient fact that there are far more incidents of attacks on Jews in the United States than on Muslims.

It's an inconvenient fact that DOZENS of churches have been burned to the ground in the United States recently, yet I have yet to hear of ONE mosk being fire bombed.

This does not fit the media narrative... that LEFTISTS are angels and that the biggest threat to the United States is Christians who oppose abortion.

People like Markos are evil Sorry, but that's the only fair conclusion.


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This character is the epitome

Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 9:19am.

This character  epitomizes of the ineffectual progressive movement in America today.

Barack_Must_Go.....

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Draft This Little...

Submitted by GeneralAl on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 8:46am.

Now that the Teleprompter Messiah has succeeded in lifting the ban on gays in the military, lets reinstitute the draft and induct this little Kosmonut into the ARMY. We'll find a very agressive gay platoon seargent for him and send them both to Afghanistan together. We'll let this little fruit experience first hand the love and kindness of Muslims!

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The answer is obvious.

Submitted by CobraMan on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:36am.

"wait, what if Christians were treated like Muslims?"

The answer is obvious:  you'd still hate us.

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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Christians would be racially

Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:37am.

Christians would be racially profiled at public places and transportation hubs. Christians wouldn't be allowed to build churches wherever they pleased. Christians wouldn't be allowed to wear their traditional garb without mocking and angry looks. Christians wouldn't be allowed to say the word "Jesus" without triggering alarm bells at the NSA. Christians wouldn't be allowed to go to church without having their property vandalized, and even being physically attacked. Christians would be the villain in every action thriller. Christians wouldn't be able to run for office without having bigots accuse them of being in league with terrorists.-Markos.

  • Well, I don't think "Christian" is a race -and neither is Muslim- so I'm not sure how any one can be racially profiled by their particular belief in a higher power. Are atheists a race too? -FAIL
  • Christians are not allowed to build churches anywhere they please. Every municipality has zoning laws which dictate use and occupancy. -FAIL
  • What is the traditional garb of Christians? And what mocking of Muslim garb is he referring to?
  • Try yelling "Geezus Christ! This effin security stuff is bull!" to the TSA guard at the airport and see if that doesn't trigger more than just alarm bells. -FAIL
  • Christians  property is never vandalized? They're never physically attacked? Isn't the Muslim jihad against Christians as well?
  • The action thriller thing? Seriously? -FAIL
  • Christians don't commit acts of terror on a regular basis so associating them with it is a non sequitur. -FAIL

I left two bullet points un-graded, only because he didn't provide specific examples of his claims. I guess it's possible that some Muslims are mocked if they wear the traditional garb, but kids with their pants halfway down butts are mocked, so are obese people, and a whole host of other people; that's just a stupid statement. Same with the vandalism and battery claims. People's homes and businesses are vandalized all the time. People are also assaulted and battered all the time. Markos -like all progressives- feel the need to assign a specific racial/religious/skin color/class association to such things which in reality, places some of the blame on the victim. It also attempts to criminalize thought (hate)- which can only be assumed and never proven. The reality is, not all crimes are committed due to differences in people's makeup; sometimes they're entirely random, sometimes the attacker is desparate and his victim is nothing more than one of opportunity. Again, without specific examples to back up his ridiculous claims, Markos is merely spouting off unsubstantiated anecdotes.

Of course, we are talking about someone with no real talent other than falling in line with progressive thought and creating a blog for indoctrinated sheep.

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These people have no marketable skills, other than spewing

Submitted by krendler on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:07pm.

These people have no marketable skills, other than spewing hate against America and Americans. Completely irrational. Completely incoherent. They live in their own little world where Muslims are "persecuted" in the US. I'd love to see a list of the instances over the past 10 years, in a nation of 300 million people, where Muslims have been victimized by bigoted Americans. We're possibly the most tolerant nation in human history.

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Um, they are treated as badly

Submitted by WarEagle66 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 1:34pm.

Um, they are treated as badly as, even worse, in Muslim countries. You know, where the churches are burned and people are killed because their Christmas celebration is "too loud". They have their HEADS SAWED OFF.......

I am close to being at the point where I want a liberal journalist to have his head sawed off. Maybe then they will remember Daniel Pearl...a JEW, who had his head sawed off....

 

When did we hear about the latest mosque to be burned to the ground? I must have missed that one.

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I have to laugh.

Submitted by cyborg0012 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 8:54pm.

I go to a church were the pastor dresses in a Hawaiian shirts and Birkenstocks.

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Idiot Moulitsas describes

Submitted by NL207 on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:17pm.

Idiot Moulitsas describes precisely the conditions Christians living in Muslim countries face on a daily basis.

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That's a real Inconvenient

Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 11:25pm.

That's a real Inconvenient Truth.

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as long as we keep thier economies strong we will have problems

Submitted by BackWaterTech on Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:20am.

we, Americans, need to take one for the team, so to speak.

As long as we keep the need for cude oil, we will be financing the religious zelots of the "third" world.

Without the monies given to them by the princes of arabia, the imams will fail. So we just need to stop buying thier oil.

that means we will have to find another way to fuel our fleets.

Prior to the 20th century, there was no real threat to anyone outside the middle east by the goophy religion encamped there. Why? because among other reasons, they had no money to wage any kind of war.

Stop financing them, see how long it takes to starve them back to the stone age. we wouldn't even need to fire a shot. those countries would die in a matter of years. they want to go back to trading camels and living in tents anyway. lets help them.

without the precious oil, the middle east is of no use to anyone. forget the oil, forget the muslims.

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Would denouncing Islam be blasphemy?

Submitted by BackWaterTech on Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:23am.

If so, maybe someone should point out to the muslim world that our loving president did just that to gain a ton of votes to secure his position. . .

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