NBC's Dan Abrams to Ed Schultz: 9/11 Prosecutions May Be 'A Lose and A Lose' for Obama

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On Friday's Ed Schultz radio show, NBC chief legal correspondent Dan Abrams came on to discuss the Manhattan trials of 9/11 architect Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and four other accused terrorists. He was not optimistic that it would help Obama politically at all:

I think that on sort of the international front, that once the proceedings start, I think it's just going to provide nugget after nugget for these people who want to use propaganda....I don't know that Obama had much of a choice here but to move forward with this. But from a propaganda point of view, and from a political point of view, I think it may be a lose and a lose.

When Schultz asked what the chances were of these terror suspects getting acquitted, Abrams guessed that the chances for KSM were "not very high," but it could happen with the other suspects, which would create political problems. As far as KSM, Abrams said, "I think he's gonna make a mockery of the proceeding...What if Khalid Sheik Mohammed says he wants to represent himself, and as a result, he wants to create a mockery of the proceeding. I see that as a real possibility here."

Schultz asked: "Politically, is this risky territory for Obama?"

ABRAMS: Absolutely. Think about it. This isn't gonna happen, trials aren't gonna happen for many months. there's a 45-day requirement to give Congress an opportunity [to question allowing the suspects into America] -- these guys aren't gonna be setting foot on American soil until middle 2010 at the earliest. What's happening in 2010? We've got some elections happening in November...

SCHULTZ: Why didn't he do it in the summer? Why didn't he do it in the first month he was in office?

ABRAMS: Well, look, I think it was smart in my view to take your time on Guantanamo. I think one of the big mistakes they made was, I think it was a smart political move to say we're gonna close Guantanamo. [But] By saying it's gotta close within a year. I mean, this is complicated stuff. There are really bad bad guys in Guantanamo. and they have to think long and hard about how to deal with these cases. The legal system moves slowly. It just does. Everywhere, not just Guantanamo Bay. So when you start setting timelines, political tiemelins for legal proceedings, you risk getting into trouble.

There was also this exchange, as summarized above:

ABRAMS: I don't see how Obama gets credit.

SCHULTZ: No, I don't think he gets credit, but he takes the critics out of the game.

ABRAMS: I'm not sure he does, on either front, meaning, I think that on sort of the international front, that once the proceedings start, I think it's just going to provide nugget after nugget for these people who want to use propaganda. I'm not saying he shouldn't have done it. I think, look, in the end, I don't know that Obama had much of a choice here but to move forward with this. But from a propaganda point of view, and from a political point of view, I think it may be a lose and a lose.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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What! Even Dan has a

What!

Even Dan has a brain cell or two that works with his twisted spinning logic now and then...

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Brit Hume

Brit Hume asked the major question yesterday. WHY? Why, indeed, are Eric and Barry doing this? The answer to that question says it all.

NEVER,NEVER trust a"liberal"

The thing that's most

The thing that's most overlooked in all of this is the terrorist mind-set. Someone hell-bent on suicide isn't going to use these trials to try to get off. Their focus is on terrorism, and that means they are going to use this venue for that purpose. They will say and do anything during these proceedings, knowing full well that someone -- the judge, jury, defense lawyers, MSM -- will take some of what they are doing seriously.

Just like the Paris peace talks. Don't like the square table? Then complain about it, and make the table the issue. That's what our enemy did.

This trial will be the same. Time for prayers? Let's make a big deal of it. Kneeling cushions not right? Big deal out of it. Don't have the Koran? Complain loudly. Someone mention Bush? Let's talk. And so on. This is going to be a disaster.

__________
"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

TRIAL & ERROR...

 This trial will be a loser for those who take The War On Terror seriously, which the Obama Thug-ministration does not. They want to the trial to be about Bush, Cheney, & the CIA. Not about KSM, his backhair, or his terrorist activities. He will rant & rave, turning his trial into a 3 ring circus, & it will get out of control daily. Then because of the idiocy that will be this trial, including jury selection, we will be told that we need to send this sort of case to the International Criminal Court in the Netherlands.

I will be shocked if I'm wrong.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

What happens to the case, AFTER, the trial

and an international court wants to go after Bush and Chaney, and others? What will be allowed to be presented - security issues, etc.? Can this be a door opener for barry and friends to "try" the past president, without getting his hands dirty? Where is the "in-depth" questioning from out waste stream media? Are these cowards so in debt to the o-man that they can't see the possible repercussions? (he asked knowingly)

 

Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back! 

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

FAST ED...

 You are asking the wrong question, are they so in debt to Obama they can't see the possible problems down the road, yes. But the real question is this...

Do you see yourself as a citizen of the world, or as a citizen of the United States?

...Me? I'm a US citizen, to many on the hard left, I'm guessing that they are embarassed to be US citizens.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

If the SOBs are embarassed

If the SOBs are embarassed to be US citizens its past time for them to renounce it and GTFO the US.


"You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you
know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would
necessarily skyrocket" - Barack Hussain Obama

I think Obama is playing to his true base

For Obama’s base this is a win-win situation:  They humiliate the US, which we all know they hate; and with any luck – according to the way they think – further destroy the country they hate and make it more like some [expletive deleted] European “country” which they like, so that there will be no need for them to leave.

- Relying upon the Liberal Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.

- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.

The die hard liberals do

The die hard liberals do seem to have that mind set.  IT would be nice to have them MOVE out!  Plenty else want to come in...

I was talking last night with someone who said her sister-in-law does not celebrate Thanksgiving because of what "they" did to the indians...  At which point I stated how most of the other peoples of the world have historically done this or worse (including indians themselves) and now suddenly "whites" are the "bad" ones. M-B

The smartest man ever

How does the smartest president of all time make this mistake unless he is not all that smart and/or so "in hate" with America that he doesn't care.

To heck with the birth certificate, let's see his grades.

YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE...

 We ain't ever going to see his birth certificate or any of his college documents. He is America's first UNDOCUMENTED PRESIDENT. Think about that, we know almost nothing about this guy, but so many people wanted to believe in "hope n' change", & make history think they could end the racial divide...

SUCKKKKKKKKKERRRRRRSS!!!!!!!!!!

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

When the Obama Presidency is finally over

I am afraid that when the Obama Presidency is finally over race issues will be set back decades, maybe 50 to 100 years.

- Relying upon the Liberal Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.

- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.

A Tarnished Image

Even Obama's fans in the MSM are now doubting his intellect.  On the one hand are the wasteful policies backed by outright fabrications like the bogus stimulus jobs data on recovery.gov., and then there's the inexplicable behavior like bowing to the Japanese emperor and the decision to bring the terrorist to trial in the Federal courts.

Forget the "Lose - Lose" situation for Obama, Danny Boy.  We ALL lost on January 20th, 2009. 

 

All about him

Wow, no concern about National Security or the safety of NYC residents. They seem to be focused solely on how this will affect Their One and his political party.

Disgraceful, disgusting and disturbing.

bang

What about the safety of the jury? This is worse than testifying against the Mob. It's one thing to have Guido show up at your house, it's another to have Hussein blow himself up on your doorstep. 

 

Great point

I didn't even think about the danger to jurors and their families, plus the possibility of violence could effect who ends up on the jury.

I disagree with Dan Abrams as far as acquittals go...

...as I think it probable they will all be acquitted, especially KSM.

All it will take are a couple of Islamists on each jury, and it's game over.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.  

Dave. I tend to agree with

Dave. I tend to agree with your acquittal point. If these guys are to be tried under our criminal law, the following must apply:
1. Were they read their Miranda Rights? (no)
2. Was there adequate chain of custody? (no)
3. Will they be afforded 5th Amendment rights? (yes)
4.Will full disclosure rules apply? (dunno)
5. Who will author the rules of evidence in this case? (dunno)
6. What questions will or won't be allowed? (dunno)
7. Where in the blue blazes will they find a jury of their peers? (who knows)

If acquitted, then what? (Dunno) This is going to be the mother of all chaotic trials.

These jerks aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions (no uniform, not acting on behalf of a country etc etc). They are not really covered by the Criminal Justice laws because they committed an act of war against the country, which doesn't fall under those laws.

I want to know why they haven't already been found guilty in a military court and executed.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

Actually, point #3 unravels

Actually, point #3 unravels the whole civilian case.  KSM was NOT allowed a lawyer (6th Amendment) BEFORE or DURING his questioning, never mind his self incriminating statements.  IF he is to be tried according to the established Rule of Law in the US, then KSM would now be free.  This type of Constitutional violation of the civilian legal system REQUIRES a judge in a civilian court to throw out the case regardless of the weight of evidence.  If it were not so, then the government can violate everyone's rights and then say "my bad" with zero consequence to them.  That's the whole point of a technical ruling, to instill discipline upon Law Enforcement to observe the rules, not flaunt them, otherwise without restraint they can literally do anything as they are the ones with the guns.

In order to try KSM in a "civilian court", a new set of rules would have to be implimented to prevent "technicalities" from affecting the verdict.  Here are the implications.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

BUT trust Barry...  He has

BUT trust Barry...  He has faith in the American people per his answer to this issue.  Jury of peers presents a problem... and all the other great points posted.   They had time to get the info from them and there was time to try and execute them too.  That would send a much better message than jailing them.  Asking for trouble.   M-B

What Attorney General Holder overlooks . . .

. . . is the fact that many of the terrorists tried to date were convicted not of the big charges of terrorism, but on lesser charges.  The Padilla case is just one example.

So, it's possible that there will be acquittals on at least some of the capital charges.

I'm also concerned with the safety of innocent citizens in NYC while the trials run -- and that could take years.   

 

Galvanic...the other

Galvanic...the other interesting piece to this puzzle is that Holder was a senior partner in the law firm of  Covington & Burlin LLP, which has defended Gitmo detainees. I wonder if Holder's decision will bring wheelbarrows of cash to the law firm. Conflict of interest? I don't know. I'm not a lawyer.

From the law firm's own website:

  • We represent sixteen men detained at the United States Naval
    Station at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.  Most of the men have been detained
    for approximately seven years.  None have been charged with any crimes,
    and none have been accorded the protections of the Geneva Convention.
    In Boumediene v. Bush, 128 S. Ct. 2229 (2008), where we were
    co-counsel for eleven of the detainees, the Supreme Court held that the
    privilege of the writ of habeas corpus extends to detainees held at Guantánamo Bay.  Following that decision, we have been preparing for habeas corpus hearings to be held in federal district court Washington, DC, for eleven of our clients.
  • The firm has been involved in the Guantánamo related litigation for the last five years.  In addition to the on-going habeas corpus
    proceedings, our efforts have included: bringing cases for review of
    enemy combatant classification decisions in the D.C. Circuit under the
    Detainee Treatment Act of 2005; challenging the destruction of CIA
    torture tapes in federal court; filing amicus briefs and coordinating the amicus effort in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. 557 (2006); filing amicus briefs in support of Supreme Court review in Moussaoui v. United States, 382 F.3d 483 (4th Cir.), cert denied, 544 U.S. 931 (2005); challenging the government’s practice of redacting information from documents given to security-cleared habeas counsel; and challenging the abusive medical and living conditions that the detainees experience at Guantánamo.

http://www.cov.com/probonooverview/probono.aspx?show=morehighlights

Something smells here.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

IMO there will be no violence

During the trials. It would only hurt their side (that is saying if they are smart enough to look at this politically). Any violence much less massive violence would be a political nightmare and embarrassment and probably topple Obama, his administration and probably end the Democrats hold on Congress after the next election. Saying that Obama is taking a great chance that nothing will happen with not much political gain in doing this, either that or he is incredibly politically naive (read stupid). It would be political suicide and a blunder of the first order for the Jihadists to commit any violence but no one says these guys are any way near rational. BTW speaking of irrational has Holder or Obama given a reason for civilian trials?

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Ed...

All territory is risky for Obama.

He wears slip-ons because tying his shoes is an iffy endevor.

Has anyone considered why

Has anyone considered why Obama is so hot to empty out Gitmo?  Since Obama is so cozy with the Castros and Chavez wanting to impress them with his responsible citizen of the world routine just like Carter, is it a stretch to think Obama wants to give Gitmo back to Cuba, but in order to do that he has to remove the last remaining justification for the military to use the base? Carter pulled the same thing with the Panama Canal, he was so busy getting others to like him he gave away the store.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Re Gitmo

Excellent point, I had not considered that. Wouldn't that be a wonderful and irrevocable gift to his buddy Castro? The Russians could move right in.

Wow, that would make

Wow, that would make sense.  You never know with a traitor... perhaps this is likely therefore!  M-B

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