N.Y. Times Reporter Piles On Support of Britain's 'Free' Health Service

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In a Friday story headlined "Britons Fault Health Service, Until Someone Else Does," Times London correspondent Sarah Lyall singled out Republican criticism of British health care, citing tiny protests, larger Twitter campaigns, and exercised editorials in The Economist magazine about "irresponsible distortions" by conservatives in America.

While Britons love to complain about waiting lists, disparities in treatment, "infection-breeding hospitals" and "top-heavy bureaucracy," they are seemingly unanimous in opposition to Obama critics:

They are furious, for example, that the health service is being held up as an example of the failures of socialized medicine by Americans opposed to President Obama’s health care proposals. On Wednesday, several dozen people rallied in front of the American Embassy in Grosvenor Square, holding up pro-N.H.S. signs.

"The N.H.S. is not perfect," the rally’s organizer, Bruce Kent, told reporters, "but it is being really badly abused in the U.S.A., and on utterly unreasonable grounds."

Mr. Kent said the health service saved his life in 2001, when he was operated on for prostate cancer. If he had had to pay for his treatment, he said, the cost "would probably have put me on the streets."

Lyall did not explain to Times readers that Kent is a radical leftist, a longtime member and leader of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and a former Labour Party candidate for Parliament.

On Sunday, Lyall concocted her own ideology-driven distortion as she defended the NHS in a "Week in Review" piece: "Certainly, as someone who in the 1980s paid $333 to have an emergency room doctor at Georgetown University Hospital remove a piece of toilet paper from my ear after I had unsuccessfully tried to use it as an earplug, I applaud a system that is free."

A taxpayer-funded health service is never "free," but relies on heavy taxation.

Lyall’s Friday story kept up the one-sided protest against conservative Americans:

Arguments against the health service by Republicans overlook the fact that while it costs half as much per person as the American system costs, "it delivers results which are on some plausible measures actually superior," The Economist said in a stern editorial. "And it does this while avoiding the disgrace that so shames America, of leaving around 46 million people, some 15 percent of its population, without any form of health insurance."

A Twitter campaign, We Love The N.H.S., is still going strong, with supporters sending messages about their own good experiences. More than 27,000 people have signed an online petition urging Americans "to ignore the myths about health systems in our country and others that are being pushed by U.S. health care companies" and to engage in a "healthy and honest debate."

Lyall underlined that all three major parties in Britain protest American attacks on the NHS, including the Conservative Party, led by David Cameron:

In a speech on Thursday, Mr. Cameron said the Conservatives were "the party of the N.H.S."

And commentators continue to be amazed at what, in their minds, is an irresponsible distortion of the argument by people from across the Atlantic.

"If American politicians peddle falsehoods about what goes on in other countries," The Economist wrote, "Americans are correspondingly less likely to appreciate the extent to which they are being let down."

Lyall doesn’t mention that The Economist editorial on how "rationing is not a four-letter word" complete with a LaRouchite Obama-Hitler photo to demean conservatives) peddles ideology along with its scolding on facts, putting the word "socialist" in quotes as a supposedly inaccurate description of the NHS.

The second thing to lament about the current apology for a debate is that it is giving the idea of controlling health-care costs a bad name. Mr Obama promised that his reform package would bring down costs, as well as extend coverage. But so spooked has the administration become by accusations of "rationing" health care, as is done in "socialist" systems like the NHS, that very little cost control is now to be expected from whatever bill eventually emerges.

The reality is that America, like Britain, already makes extensive use of rationing. Around half of all Americans are covered by one government programme or another, including those providing health-insurance for the elderly, the poor and government employees. These schemes lay down in great detail, in the form of national and local "coverage determinations", which treatments and procedures can be claimed for, and at what rates. And all but the most expensive private insurance policies impose limitations of their own. A more honest discussion would accept that cutting costs, as the administration has promised to do, must involve reining in a system that encourages patients to demand tests and procedures that they don’t really need and doctors to recommend them.

The Economist thinks it’s perfectly fine for a strong command-and-control government to lecture individual Americans that they won’t be getting "tests and procedures they don’t really need" – such as people with chronic back pain or life-saving operations for the elderly.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Socialism

You'd think writers working for a publication called The Economist would recognize socialism when they see it. 

“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)

The one thing that elitist

The one thing that elitist liberals just do not get is the fact that Americans are fundamentally different from citizens from the UK and even Canada. We are a very independent people; our country was founded on this. We do not trust big government and are very wary of government programs that may intrude on our freedom.

The townhalls are the best example of this. We will take certain measures during times of great stress, financial or war time. But we will not give up our freedom. This is why Obamacare will not succeed with any huge government involvement.  

MC commercial

Giving birth in a parking lot = 25 cents for a wasted phone call

Pulling your own teeth = $5 for a bottle of vodka

Flying to America for open heart surgery = $10,000

Selling your house because alzheimers doesn't "count" as a disease = $200,000

Having a miscarriage because 8 different hospitals denied delivery care = one wasted tank of gas.

Allowing the government to guarantee healthcare = too expensive.

 

 

Candace

Apparently Japan is also in need of tort reform. 

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

Brit Health Care System responsible for Megrahi's release?

The only reason the Brits released

Megrahi was to save  health care resourses of the Empire.
How could a socialized country justify giving limited health care resources to a terrorist when so
many honest citizens are on wait lists?

Freedom is a vital component of human effectiveness and fulfillment.

FYI, I happened to be

FYI, I happened to be watching BBC News America the other day (love Top Gear), and their liberal talking heads were commenting about the effects of our debate of Obamacare and they mentioned, rather dismissively, the rise in popularity of Daniel Hannan.

I have no idea why I should be mentioning this, other than it being an interesting side note, and the libs are trying to circle the wagons while they are collectively covering for Obama, even overseas.

Start each day with a smile, then get it over with. - W.C. Fields

It don't cost nuthin'. And

It don't cost nuthin'. And it's worth every cent.

"free" care

Sure, it's free.  As long as there's an "it" to be free, because if NHS doesn't approve it, you can't get it.  And if you decide, "What the hell, I'll just pay for it, myself," and they catch you?  You're subject to being disqualified from all coverage, and whoever treated you outside the system can lose their gubm'nt certification.

But it's free.  Except they tax you (directly or indirectly) to pay for the system.

But it's free.  If only you were free to choose whether to participate or not.

Gotta love that freedom, don'tcha?

Ahh, yes, free health

Ahh, yes, free health care....ain't it grand? Sure, you don't have to
worry about bankruptcy. Instead, you get to worry about dying. What a
bargain, lol.

No thanks, I'll take the bankruptcy. I can recover from that. Death tends to be a little more permanent.

Stoopid

["Certainly, as someone who in the 1980s paid $333 to have an emergency room doctor at Georgetown University Hospital remove a piece of toilet paper from my ear after I had unsuccessfully tried to use it as an earplug, I applaud a system that is free." ]

And somebody this stoopid has a job lecturing us about healthcare??

(GRINS)   kilrod 

If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,?? 

OMG!!!!!!!!!

I was thinking the same thing kilrod.... How in the hell do you get TOILET paper stuck in your ear?  Must be some cheap a$$ paper.

The Libtards need to be careful about who they are endorsing as examples for thier cause, since this person seems like an IDIOT. Guess they never heard of water and a Q-tip. (mmmmmm Q-tip...come on, don't you dare tell me you don't put the Q-tip into your ear canal and rub it around) 

"Your right to Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness ends at my front door, and my wallet!"-Me!

Another Horror Story

Another horror story from the UK, this one of a couple with a disabled child.

Why I Don't Believe That the NHS is Sacrosanct: http://www.independent.co.uk

I listen to UK talk radio

I listen to UK talk radio almost every day. The horror stories about the UK National Health Service would break your heart.

I've listened to callers talk about delays for much needed treatments, a staggering degree of government bureaucrats deciding life and death issues based on government "guidelines", minimal medical treatment for marginalized populations (the elderly, those with long term diseases which require expensive treatments, no government paid mammograms for women over 65, etc.). This is what the callers themselves are reporting.

There are special hospitals where only the elite and high level goverment patients are admitted (of course they get the best treatment). Others must resort to extremely expensive private insurance to pay for what the "free health care" guidelines determines is not covered.

Listening to these calls to talk radio is where I first learned that in some communities, fund drives are held to send local patients who can't receive needed treatment to the US because local National Health Service refused to pay for treatment or the treatment simply wasn't available. I recently listened to a radio station fund drive for a teenager with cancer who could not get needed treatment in the UK. Just breaks your heart.

How's that for "free" health care?

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

conservatives post views on Economist to counter left agitprop

celator -- please check out this way-off editorial in the Economist and comment to counter some of the American socialists, and others attacking the US as immoral.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14258877&mode=comment&intent=postBottom

I have posted a few under the name hollycrud. Be respectful, and don't attack other posters ad hom, or you will be removed.

Thanks Barack! You've done more to promote conservatism than any president since Ronald Reagan (PBUH).

Jack.. thanks for the

Jack.. thanks for the suggestion. I'll go there and check it out. I'll be respectful if I comment. ;+} Don't want to get tossed out if it's a good site to counter.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

What, me worry?

Hey, Osama Bama's "health care" legislation will be:  

1. Written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it.
2. Passed by a Congress that hasn't read it.
3. Signed by a president who is a chain smoker.
4. Funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes.
5. Overseen by a surgeon general who is obese.
6. Financed by a country that is in the red.
7. Cover illegals who aren't paying a dime in taxes.

What, me worry? No problem. What could possibly go wrong?

"Who am us, anyway?" - Firesign Theatre

LOL gt... I love

LOL gt...

I love that....I got that one in my email the other day...fits the Bill, does it not?

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh