N.Y. Times Reports On Transgender Rights: There Are No 'Liberals' On The Issue, Only 'Conservatives'

Photo of Tim Graham.

The New York Times reported on Wednesday that " Lawyers for President Obama are quietly drafting first-of-their kind guidelines barring workplace discrimination against transgender federal employees." Jim Rutenberg’s story on page A-15 followed one iron law to the letter: advocates for the "LGBT lobby" are not described anywhere as "liberal," but their opponents are routinely and repeatedly labeled "conservatives." Take this passage:

Though transgender men and women are not believed to make up more than a fraction of a percent of the federal work force, their inclusion in the discrimination guidelines is seen as a breakthrough by transgender and gay rights advocates.

"The president is making a very clear statement that transgender people won’t be discriminated against," said Mara Keisling, the executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, a group that has been talking with the White House about the new provisions.

The provisions will help give transgender workers avenues within the federal government to protest a job action as discriminatory, though Ms. Keisling added, "There is also a very important symbolic value to that, from our point of view."

The rules are almost certain to stoke criticism from cultural conservatives already displeased with Mr. Obama’s stand on gay rights, abortion and stem cell research.

While Keisling’s paragraph of liberal/libertine advocacy is in the fourth paragraph, the conservative advocates are avoided until paragraph 20, at the rear end of the story:

Conservative groups were cautiously pessimistic about the new guidelines, which have yet to be completed.

Focus on the Family, a conservative evangelical group, released a statement Tuesday night saying that the law already prohibited managers from taking any job action not directly related to job performance, "making this review an unnecessary political action to appease a special interest group embedded in the Obama administration."

The group also criticized the new policy as "government affirmation" of behavior it has defined as "one of many sexual sins that is outside God’s created intent and desire for us."

Notice Rutenberg redundantly employed the label "conservative" twice in two sentences. The text box in the middle of the story highlights the liberal side: "A new avenue for protesting work actions viewed as discriminatory." Viewed as discriminatory by? The "LGBT" lobby.

[Picture: ACLU image of David "Diane" Schroer, who successfully sued the federal government for a half a million dollars.]

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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We voted for it.

America is getting the "change" it voted for. Why not protection for those who "change" their sex! Never mind,of course, that the "discrimation" might not even exist. Never mind, of course, that the courts will be filled with bogus claims. Never mind, of course, that......oh, what's the use.

This clown Barry is quite a sick puppy. Hey buddy, don't look now, but there are some real problems which need to be addressed.

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Come on now...

 

There we go again...protecting the perverts...

 

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Prepare for the coming revolution

Just what we need-yet another protected minority

The only people who are going to benefit from this are the lawyers and the people who turn trees into paper.

-Dave

Obama's health care "reform" plan is to blow up the building in order to fix a leak in the roof-Herman Cain

Huh?

Are they big enough to be a minority? lol

Taxed Enough Already

A bit of personal perspective

May be illuminative here.

Once upon a time, I ran a department, where I had to hire temporary workers.  A new temp arrived, about 6'3", black woman, with a physique like an NFL linebacker.  Extremely well groomed, and well dressed, and attractive.  Good manners and good skills.

The pandemonium created was such that people from off-site were "dropping by".

It was horrible.  For the good of the department, I had to ask the temp agency to not return this worker. 

Human nature is human nature.  What is disruptive in a business environment cannot be "accepted".    Business is cold, it is hard, it is ruthless.

And yeah, the same thing happened in another department, with a little chippy who'd had Double E breast implants, and a penchant for tube tops.  I have no idea what her "skill set" was....but she lasted exactly as long.

I'm as tolerant as the next person, except when it comes to doing my job.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Any luck finding another job?

 Did you find me another job?

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Gosh, nwahs!!!!

That was you?

Who knew?

Thank God I canned your ass!

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde, why do you have the ability tyo edit my messages?

Noel, why does Blonde have the ability to edit my messages? This happened once before when I couldn't log onto my account after a disagreement with Blonde. Someone else was on my account. In the above message I posted "Did you ever find another job"

Now the message is edited, obviously by Blonde. Now I do care as I did take a dig at her. I am concerned that she has the capability to edit my messages. So Noel- what going on here? If staff gets angry with someone, they will change the content of messages?

 

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Not so fast

 
I just saw your "what the hell" remark to blonde in a totally other post and wondered why you said it. Then I saw your post here and noticed you answered blone only about 5 minutes later, she then answered you back about 6 hours laters. I'd think your disputed post, if edited, would have been a lot later. I really don't think the mods would mess with your post. If they didn't like it they would probably just delete it. I think something else happened. blonde is  a poster just like the rest of us.

I'm just sayin' this 'cause I noticed your other post on obviously the wrong thread. Weird, yes. I don't think blonde did anything shawn.

 

Gary

Look, it's already hot as hell down here, so don't sweat it! - My Dad

Sweet tea please! - Me

I know exactly what happened

Blonde is not a poster like you or I. She is a moderator and she abused her position. All she had to do was either ignore my crack, or come back with a crack of her own. Instead she decided to use her moderator powers to edit my post and attribute it to me. Thats inexcusable. She is not a poster like you are I.  And she is not one to be trusted as a moderator.Delete my post, mark the post edited by moderator, but do not edit my post's content and attribute it to me.

Thats fraud.

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I can understand the need for a moderator

I can not understand how a moderator can edit a post and not mark the post as "edited by moderator." This is just not right. I mean its a stupid joke, but an egregious breech of trust.This has happened before during a disagreement I had with Blonde. Can NewsBusters possibly find a moderator that acts within their bounds even in disagreements? This aint right. I'm spitting tacks right now. I've been on the internet before there was even hypertext. I have NEVER, before now, had a moderator edit the content of my post and attribute it to me.

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Blonde, I sincerely respect

Blonde, I sincerely respect the position you were put in as the boss in this anecdote, as well as the difficult decision you had to make.  Nonetheless, your story begs the question: Who was more at fault?  The person who came to work dressed in the way in which she felt most comfortable and was, as you said, was "Extremely well groomed, and well dressed, and attractive [and had] good manners and good skills"?  Or the people for whom a transgendered individual is such a freakish novelty that they spent more time trying to get a look at her in order to have a story for their friends than doing their own jobs?  It sounds to me like those are the people to fire.

Indeed, there are many areas in the U.S. in which transgendered people are a relatively common sight and, as such, most people just don't care.  I've seen them on a regular basis in every city I've lived in since I moved out of my parents' home at 18.  Generally, if I saw a group of people pointing and gawking at a transgendered person, I felt safe in assuming those people were tourists.

An anecdote of my own.  In college I was waiting tables at this little sidewalk bistro.  Three guys started yelling at and hassling a M>F transgender.  I mentioned it to the manager, and next thing I knew, he was telling the group to leave.  It was pretty awesome.

I find your judgement

Wanting. But I also find your judgment on par with your moderating ethics - nonexistent. Did the woman, or victim of your judgment, have a physiological condition like gigantism? Did you care? Did you ask her?  Your solution for gawkers is to fire the gawkee? What a stupid person you must be. Thank God they weren't gawking at her for having prosthetic limbs, eh?

The point of your story is to show what type of take charge manager you are, but all it shows is your idiocy, and your juvenile lack of empathy. Business is cold and ruthless, and lacks a brain. So do you - congrats!. You're basically a latch on wannabe. Leech like. Pleas wow us with more anecdotes of your business prowess, chickie. You can't even fake intelligent.

Edit this post, sweet pea.
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That picture

 That picture looks like a Saturday Night Live caricature of Katherine Harris.

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Cute by half

Cute by half shawn.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Ha. That's a pretty good

Ha. That's a pretty good call. 

Not hardly boa. Whatever

Not hardly boa.

Whatever turns your crank I guess.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Potato / potahto

Potato / potahto

You forgot the "e"!!!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Dan Quayle wouldn't be

Dan Quayle wouldn't be happy about that.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Says nwahs

As he/she/it looks in the mirror.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Let me tell you something Blonde

You have no room to talk about anyone. A moderator that will use their position to edit a posters content and then attribute that content to the poster, is nothing  but a fraud. You Blonde, are a fraud, and you shouldn't be a moderator of anything. You don't have the emotional maturity.

How dare you edit my conent without marking it as edited by you? What are you, a damn idiot? You couldn't just post a spiffy comeback like anyone else. You got to use your position to do a little voodoo on the board?

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Paranoid?

Keep a sharp lookout for the men in white coats. Don't bother looking for the pink carnations.

They're coming to take you away not to take you on a date.

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

Cocodrie you have no clue

Blonde is a moderator. This is not paranoid. Its happened before. But Blonde is only a moderator. When you start editing the content of posts and not marking it as edited, all the work paid for by the owners of the board is cheapened for the loss of integrity. Wouldn't that be a stupid situation to come about over a silly wisecrack?

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I was warned about Blonde

 that if I made her mad, she'd get my account tossed. 

 that's what you call a BULLY. 

 

As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
Family Guy

~Queen Mum

Did she spread that rumor to EVERY lefty here?

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

QM? The poster above is

QM?

The poster above is Jen7....

...or do you have a problem reading that?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

~I was referring

To the poster who 'warned' her. Or do you have a problem reading that?

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

Well it seems with all the expense

It seems with the expense of creating a following, one would not jeopardize it by using a emotionally immature moderator. This is a fine board because of heated discussions. It doesn't need a moderator playing God for narcissistic reasons. 

For the record, she waged the same threat toward me "You don't want to get on my bad side."

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Not sure I buy it.  Blonde

Not sure I buy it.  Blonde would have kicked me off by now if she could.

She cant kick you off

But she can delete your post and she can edit your post. She can't ban you. She's a moderator, and she  abused her moderator  powers. She is here to keep obscenity off the board, not play board God. Noel Shepard can ban you, and after asking about causes for banning people, he suggested in pm they take that very seriously, and it isn't done haphazardly or because of political ideology.

I'm not asking for much. I just want the post that was edited to note it was edited by the moderator. Thats a simple request that maintains the integrity of the board.

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nwahs...

...just askin, but how do you know blonde is a "moderator"? 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

~Clarification

I can positively say that Blonde DOES NOT ban people she fights with, dislikes, or disagrees with. That said, I saw the post that shawn is referring to both yesterday and today and it is indeed worded differently now. I suggest he refer the matter to the admins, and the trolls (I'm not referring to you, shawn) can stop shrieking and mewling about Blonde. She's not the bogeyman, Jen, come out from under the bed.

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

Thank you

Thank you Chooselife.

Thank you

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Hey Ron er I mean Mo

Your the biggest jerk on this entire site, and have been since you got here. Go blow your nose, whiner

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

~Aww come on

The biggest? 

*sidles up, flutters eyelashes beguilingly* Do I get an honorable mention, at least? Maybe a little trophy just for showing up? Oh that's right, we're conservatives. We don't nameca--uh, give prizes for attendance.

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

There is only One

Number One, all others are second.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

~Crap

Guess I'll have to open a box of Cracker Jack if I want a consolation prize. 

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

From me?

I want a consolation prize.

 Yep

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

~That's okay

I lifted your wallet while I was sidling and fluttering and now I'm going to go blow the roof off *looks in wallet* --uh, McDonald's.

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

Dont use a wallet.

But, I knew you were a theif.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

~*Sigh*

That's what I get for joking around with you, a weird accusation.

 But, I knew you were a theif.

Based on what?

 

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

I lifted your wallet : Choselife3x

a weird accusation.

 Yea thats what I thought?

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

~Your choice of words

Past tense. "Knew". You imply that my joke confirms something you 'knew'. Both your last 2 responses to my farcical comments came off to me as snarky. If I read you wrong, I apologize.

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

cl3x, long time...

cl3x, long time...

~Hi Jason!

Fancy running into you on the transgender thread....*excuse me, déjà vu makes me dizzy....*

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

General company

 This is not a whine, this a potential security problem. Back in January when Blonde did this, I could not log onto my NewsBusters account. During that time, Blonde posted a response to me on *my* account. It looked like I was talking to myself. Well that response quickly vanished, and she reposted it on her account. Thats how I knew she had access to my account and not just editing powers over my posts. Now here's the problem. I have sent posts ( mainly to Noel and other NewsBusters officials) on my account that has personal information - phone numbers addresses etc. With Blonde accessing my account, she  probably has this information.

This is not a whine. This is a potential security problem for me.

She's not just editing my posts. She's accessing  my account and messages I've sent (sent box) with any personal information.

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or... we could all just be

or... we could all just be insane...

Sorry

Show me the proof, I am not taking your word for it. BTW if I were a mod, you wouldnt be here, or I wouldnt be a mod. Dont care how you feel about it either.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Why would I say something that wasn't true?

I've had heated discussion with NewsBusters officials, and they wouldn't hesitate to tell me where to get off if I was making this up. I'm not making this up.

And thats exactly why you shouldn't be a mod. If your response to something you disagree with is to ban the disagreement, you shouldn't be a mod, you should be a proponent of the fairness doctrine. You have all the morality of liberals who want to squelch opposition or dissent.

There's an old saying among geeks - "The proof is in the cache."

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Your kidding right?

Why? Oh I donno, would be the overwhelming respect you show for folks, nap, that wouldnt be it?

 And thats exactly why you shouldn't be a mod.

And if I owned the site, then how would you feel? I have read a lot of your words, you are constantly wrong on most everything you post, but yet I must take your word? Get a grip.

 "The proof is in the cache."

So is your credibility

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

And tell me

What are you right on. Being a bully is not being right. What  are you right on? What is the post you are most proud of? Hell, you don't even have to link it, just paraphrase it. And if I hear crickets you're a fraud defending a fraud.

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What are you right on.: nwahs

You.

 What are you right on. Being a bully is not being right. What  are you right on?

You throwing around baseless acusations, my poof? Your inability to prove any.

Hell, you don't even have to link it, just paraphrase it.

Link? Now I have to prove YOUR acusations?

And if I hear crickets you're a fraud defending a fraud.

How in the hell would I know what it sounds like in your head?

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

General Company

General Company,

while I admire your tenacity, arguing with Bizarro Shawn is a waste of time.  He refuses to let facts or logic influence his mind.

You're basicaly an empty vessel

You're pretty much an empty vessel aren't you? You couldn't think of one post of substance.

But you got your point across - "Stop saying that!"

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Scorecard

General Company: 1

Bizarro Shawn: 0

I'm betting you gave me a 10

I bet you gave me a "10" and Blonde edited out the "1"

 

She does that don't you know.

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Naw, it was a

Naw, it was a zero.

You've never managed to make a comment that was cogent enough to earn a point.

You know I'm going to embarass you

 I've been rooting through old posts to bring up a January ordeal. I'm going to post a link to you agreeing with me :)

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I know

But he live 40 miles south of me, protecting my own!

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Well come have a beer

I'm a nice person in the flesh, and I guarantee we can laugh in spite of ourselves. Know where I spent spent most of Katrina? In Cutoff, just down the road from Lockport and Des Allemands. Now you know they take no BS in Lockport. So, you're up in Folsom?

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From one shawn to another

Dude seriously quit complaining, your giving the shawn name a black mark :-)

He had my vote

No

No, I'm not going to quit complaining till I make sure some nut in Florida doesn't have my personal info. I'm an experienced "swamp camper" ( one way in one way out), but I wanna  know if I'm being hunted. So I don't give a rats ass if you like me complaining or not.

I'm the person who's account and personal information has been accessed by a nut.

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Know Middendorfs?

In Manchac? Had'nt been there in a while, but?

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Hell yea

Thin crispy catfish! Water on both sides ;)Last time I was there they had two dining halls.

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Great,

Tomorrow about 6-7? Seriously, I will even buy, bring someone. I will also bring a copy of this thread, be fun.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Let me answer in the morning

I'm drinking a few and I don't want to make commitments while drinking. I'll pm you about 10 am. Promise not to hit me ! ;)

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OK

Anytime? No problem. Just pm me.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

We will definitiely do this

And if not, this is your evidence I'm a LIAR! ;) If not tomorrow, we will do this within the next couple of weeks, and my treat. I really don't take all the sparring seriously, and I know it will be fun. We will do this. I do promise. I think it would be a kick.

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Good

But I warn you, I am not much different in real life. We will have a good time. I already requested the bill, but I give in easy?

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I used to own land

 I used to own about 140 acres in Magnolia Miss, just south of McComb. I'd stop by Middendorf's frequently on my way there and back.

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Even if she edited your post

Even if she did edit your post, why are you whining like a child?

I don't believe you anyway.

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

Because ITS WRONG

Its absolutely wrong.

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David "Diane" Schroer

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1840754,00.html 

I saw the name and it reminded me--David, or Diane (whatever) was my operations officer for a time while I was in the Army (circa 1992).

Every time I see him in the news I wonder; is he less of a D--k than he was before the operation? 

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." - General George Patton Jr

Pg.... LMAO! Now, that

Pg....

LMAO!

Now, that post of yours is priceless.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

   Just about any group

   Just about any group that organizes and is a democrat voting constituancy can get federal protection.  I want to start one for the most discriminated group of workers there is, the lazy and incompetent.  All across this country lazy and incompetent people are routinely dismissed without a moments thought as to the personal devastation this does to the very average worker.  Now I realize that all levels of government have been offering unoficial protection to lazy and incompetent workers but I think it's time for these beleagered workers be allowed to come 'out of the closet' and given fully codified legal protection so that they can hold their heads high and proclaim "I'm on break" and It's not my job".

How can anyone take

How can anyone take seriously a disturbed person that makes a concious decision to mutilate their own body in such a horrific manner?  Without question, these trannies are mentally ill. Very mentally ill, and they expect me and others to validate their insanity, with the coercive force of law to force people to think as the perverts demand. They demand "tolerance" while simultaneously exerting brute force to end others people's right to their own opinion. One should expect no less from these insane, emotional and intellectual cripples.

Here's the problem

Some children are born sexually ambiguous (anatomically), or intersex. Now most differentiate this physical condition from the identity issue. But I don't know if Obama is differentiating. Do you? Does Tim Graham? This is an important detail. 

From: http://emedicine.med...

"While the techniques of surgical genital reconstruction have been
mastered, the understanding of the psychological and social
implications of gender assignment has shifted the paradigm away from
early reconstruction in some cases. This article focuses on newborn
evaluation and the differential diagnosis in children with intersex
conditions, including children with ambiguous genitalia."

This is part of  what you are calling mutilation and what Tim Graham is representing with a picture that looks like a man in drag.

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Maybe they should call it the Michael Jackson Law?

Wonder if they still allow crosses to be worn in full view?  Or do people that work for the Feds not believe in that stuff?

Strange that if you're a heterosexual male (and females technically, but c'mon now) and you show interest in a female coworker you're violating the law.  The basis of these anti-harrassment laws are inherently sexual in nature.

But yet when dealing with homosexuals and trannies, the entire issue is sexual, that is their sexual preferences define who and what they are in society...but they get special protections...know what I mean?

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Sometimes I despair of the Right

Let's leave the mendacity and the exaggerations to the Moonbats, shall we?

Focus on the Family is "conservative" the way the Marxist-Leninist Socialist Collective is "liberal". They're somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan, and have been caught lying more often than Bill Clinton.

OK, not as often as Obama, but still...

What's their latest? That Pedophilia is a "legitimate sexual orientation" no matter how "sexual orientation" is defined by the APA, or in other legislation, so laws that stop gays being fired for being gay also give open slather to Catholic Priests and others?

As for Colonel Schroer, some weenie at the LOC decided that National Security wasn't nearly as important as "putting those people in their place". And was willing to pay however many of other people's taxdollars it took to shore up their beliefs.

Here's some correspondence from Dr Ecker, after he gave a presentation at the American Psychiatric Association annual conference:

Hi Zoe,

Yes, we gave our presentation to 60 plus psychiatrists from the US, AU, FR, IT, EU, UK, Holland etc.

We
spoke for 2 1/2 hours on why cross gender identity was a normal
inherited variation of humans. We showed how Transgender Brains think,
smell, and hear like the opposite sex. We presented internationally
accepted guidelines for hormonal treatment of transsexuals to be
published Summer 2009.

Here are my slides and with my
participants' permission I shall send you theirs. We are now in print
in the APA Syllabus and soon in the APA Journal this summer. I am
checking if we were recorded.

My greatest personal compliment
came from Frank Kruijver, from Holland, whose research of the human
brain in TSs started it all. He thought we have taken his work very far
in our understanding of the human brain. Hope you can do something with
this.

Sid Ecker, M.D.

The seminar was on "The Neurobiological Evidence for Transgenderism". And unlike fashionable leftist nonsense about Gender being a "social construct", this is stuff you can see in Autopsies and MRI scans. Male and Female brains, and hence minds, differ - and sometimes development in the womb goes wrong, and you get Intersex conditions, a body neither wholly male nor wholle female. When the brain is cross-gendered, you get a perfectly sane, healthy woman - landed with a male body. Or the reverse. Which is as unpleasant for the patient as it sounds.

But hey, they're only facts, so are of no use in arguing against Lefties, who are more concerned with "feelings" and "what should be" rather than "what is". 

I despair though that many on the Right are going the same way.

jessieH        

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