Brent Bozell's Takes on 'The Passion'

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Five years after The Passion of the the Christ conquered the multiplex, it might be instructive to recall the media coverage as Brent Bozell chronicled it in two columns. He offered tribute to Mel Gibson and a rebuke to godless Hollywood in the week before the movie came out:

The mass unveiling of Mel Gibson’s cinematic vision of "The Passion of the Christ" on 2,000 screens – a massive debut for a foreign-language film with subtitles -- has the entertainment elite a bit frightened. After all, how many decades have elapsed since Hollywood has been in any way associated with Christian orthodoxy?

The one who is not frightened is Gibson. He is a man who has made his own brave and generous sacrifice, putting tens of millions of dollars and his own film career on the line for a daring and controversial cultural event. He is a man who can sit in front of Diane Sawyer as she looks like she’s sucking on a lemon and honestly proclaim his humble Christian beliefs, to be a "fool for Christ" before the world.

He has dared to make a film that focuses only on the last hours of Jesus, leaving the gentle preachings and healings that some like to imply is the whole of the New Testament behind, honing in just on the cruel and yet necessary crucifixion of the Christ.

For many months, media outlets have promoted controversy over this film, suggesting it may be anti-Semitic, and even if it isn’t anti-Semitic in intention, it could have an anti-Semitic effect. One might argue all this controversy has been good for the film, but that doesn’t mean the entertainment press has been fair or accurate in its coverage of it. Our cultural elites are worried not about how the film is "anti," but how the film is "pro." They know how this film has the potential to light a fire under traditional Christianity in America and around the world.

They are worried because millions of Americans are enthusiastic. As the media boomlet picks up this growing phenomenon, it seems to overflow with secular alienation and dread that some might be using this film to evangelize, that the filmmakers are "marketing Jesus." To the bad-taste specialists that dominate our culture, there is no dirtier word than "proselytize." That, to them, is a very "divisive" act. To the secularists, it is offensive to believe that one creed, one faith is absolutely correct, and therefore the others must be in error.

But why is it not offensive to suggest, as Hollywood so often suggests, that all religions are basically fairy tales for creepy, superstitious people who need the "crutch" of faith to deal with the natural world? And why it is not offensive for Hollywood to serve the country as a sort of 24-hour Temptation Channel for exotic sex, and filthy language, and pornographic violence? The entertainment factories are proselytizers -- for the lowest in human behavior. They are evangelists -- for empty sensationalism.

And isn’t it odd now to see, in the wake of this powerful film, cultural critics trying to curdle its impact by suggesting that the movie, with its body count of one (not counting the Resurrection), is a gorefest? "Mel’s ‘Passion’ for Gore ‘Extreme,’ He Admits," claimed the New York Daily News, mangling his words out of his ABC interview. He said he wanted people to be struck, shocked by the physical pain and suffering endured by Jesus to save each believer. The spectacle wasn’t for blood-loving jollies, like the choreographed mass murder of a Quentin Tarantino film. It was intended for Christian inspiration.

The Los Angeles Times wrote that Gibson made "one of the most brutally graphic and violent depictions in modern cinema" of the last hours of Jesus. But Hollywood has almost no depictions of Jesus in "modern cinema," other than Martin Scorsese’s Jesus-trashing "Last Temptation of Christ," and that’s 16 years old. To show your children explicitly Christian films requires a walk through the oldies section: "Quo Vadis" (1951), "The Robe" (1953), "Ben-Hur" (1959), or "The Greatest Story Ever Told" (1965).

Don’t worry, film critics: it should be safe to assume that the crowds flocking to this R-rated movie will not be dragging their kids to see the pain inflicted in "The Passion." How wonderful it would be if Hollywood had such tender hearts for the well-being of vulnerable children routinely sneaking into R-rated films with little resistance.

The secular cultural elites have reason to be frightened. Millions of Americans will be dazzled in the multiplexes watching a cast of non-stars speak in non-English about what Hollywood has seen for eons as a non-story. The hubbub should send a powerful message to Hollywood: our culture could use more of this kind of artistic vision and exploration, and less of your nihilistic nonsense. There might be a new fad in town.

Sadly, that trend was minimal. The closest thing to a mass-market Christian film was The Nativity Story, which clearly tried to echo The Passion in its look and titles, even if its vision was subtler. After the film came out, Brent took on the film critics, comparing their loathing for The Passion with their passion for the very unorthodox 1988 film The Last Temptation of Christ.

The residents of Gypsum, Colorado were in for a surprise the other day. Someone hit the wrong button in the county’s communications center, triggering an automatic broadcast over four radio stations warning residents to evacuate immediately on account of the tsunami headed their way. That’s an interesting weather development for this landlocked community, 6,334 feet above sea level.

It’s not often screaming alarms are so demonstrably false, and the wise course of action at times like this is simply to turn them off and publicly recognize the error.

So why, then, won’t the false-alarm-clanging critics leave "The Passion of the Christ" alone? After all the trashing of the film (and its creator), and all those warning bells about potential anti-Semitic violence, what’s happened? Only this: the movie’s $150 million take after only one week makes this one of the most successful films in the history of Hollywood. And the anti-Semitic backlash? Zero. Zilch.

But still they won’t stop their attacks. Ann Hornaday of the Washington Post complained first not about the artistry, but the history. The film "engages in some troubling assumptions, for starters by treating the Bible's four Gospels as literal eyewitness accounts of Jesus's arrest, torture and crucifixion."

A reader might wonder: if critics like Hornaday were so tremendously concerned with historical accuracy, what would she have said about "The Last Temptation of Christ," Martin Scorsese’s Christ-mangling film of 1988? That Christ figure fantasized about fornicating with Mary Magdalene; claimed he was not divine and sinless; even said he was a bit satanic, had "Lucifer inside him"; and as a carpenter, he callously constructed crosses for the Romans so they could crucify Jews with them.

Sadly, you don’t even need a database to find out. Four days after the debut of "The Passion," Hornaday recommended "Last Temptation" to Post readers with great enthusiasm – and equal loathing of the Gibson film: "But now that ‘The Passion of the Christ’ is, with any luck, on its way out of theaters, it's a good time to reassess Scorsese's movie, whose lyricism and meaning and spiritual heft have grown with time....The film is one of the most provocative, haunting and devout meditations on spiritual sacrifice and commitment ever made."

Only a film critic could find something "devout" about a movie with the snide, scabrous, and completely unbiblical portrait of Jesus.

In 1988, Newsweek critic David Ansen similarly claimed that Scorsese had made "one of the few truly religious movies Hollywood has bothered to finance in the past decade." He added that "most moviegoers may have more doubts about the esthetics than the theology."

So what does he think of "The Passion"? Ansen can’t find the "truly religious" angle in it: "Others may well find a strong spirituality in "The Passion" -- I can't pretend to know what this movie looks like to a believer -- but it was Gibson's fury, not his faith, that left a deep, abiding aftertaste."

Time critic Richard Corliss’s review carried the offensive (and trite) headline "The Goriest Story Ever Told." (Compared to what? The remake of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"?) Corliss, who received exclusive looks at the film before its debut, mildly honored Gibson’s passion and artistry, but advised Time readers to avoid the theatre, suggesting it’s only for "true believers with cast-iron stomachs; people who can stand to be grossed out as they are edified."

But in 1988, Corliss lauded Scorsese’s "masterpiece" on Lucifer Christ. Scorsese’s screen violence "is emetic, not exploitative. The crowning with thorns, the scourging at the pillar, the agonized trudge up Calvary show what Jesus suffered and why. [Willem] Dafoe's spiky, ferocious, nearly heroic performance is a perfect servant to the role. He finds sense in Jesus' agonies; he finds passion in the parables."

In 1988, the New York Daily News found in Scorsese’s film "integrity, reverence, and a good deal of cinematic beauty." But this time around, critic Jami Bernard could only smear Gibson’s film as "the most virulently anti-Semitic movie made since the German propaganda films of World War II." If Ms. Bernard is concerned with real anti-Semitism she needs to read Joel Rosenberg’s recent article for National Review Online discussing the Syrian miniseries "Al-Shatat," which features Jews slaughtering a Christian boy and spilling his blood into Passover matzoh bread.

Films like Gibson’s "Passion" remind us that film critics see themselves as far more than advice columnists. They view themselves as the (don’t laugh) moral arbiters of the popular culture. But in the case of "The Passion," the harshest critics are dead wrong, and every day’s tidal wave of tickets washes away their disbelieving, deconstructing attempts to ruin its powerful effect on American hearts and minds.

Never in history has the chasm between the critics and their public been deeper.

Months before the film came out, Brent also deplored New York Times columnist Frank Rich for distorting Gibson's words into a tale of anti-Semitic paranoia.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Film Shows Christ as Our Substitute

If one does not have the Biblical faith that Christ is their Substitute standing in the place of the wrath of God that sinners justly deserve, then they see only 'Gibson's fury'. But its not hardly true. Because of Christ's substitutionary life in our place and death in our place, we sinners have been forgiven all of our sins and will enjoy eternity with God. One sees the ugliness of our sin, what we are, what we deserve when we see the suffering of our Christ and Gibson captured this so well. We also see the great inexplicable mercy of our Father who would not leave us in our sin. But instead sent His own Son to take our place.
What a great article you've written to remind us of the gracious gift of salvation that Christ has earned for us, and the film depicted so well. We can only continue to pray "Your Kingdom Come" to everyone and to these reporters so they would know the forgiveness of sins too. Brent is a great champion of Christianity.
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Um, it is possible to

Um, it is possible to recognize that Last Temptation of Christ is just plain a better film than The Passion - especially in that it deals with the complexities of a flesh-and-blood man (with flesh-and-blood desires) being chosen for such an immensely high calling.  That Christ freely chooses to finally carry out God's project, that he does so out of free will - like a human being - rather than it being taken as a given, is a marvelous plot development.  To call Scorsese's film un-Christian is to dramatically miss the point.

While The Passion succeeds in making visceral and real the violence and extremity of crucifixion that is sometimes lost in text (especially for younger people - despite going to Sunday school, I remember never really GETTING what Christ went through until I saw a passion painting in a church deacons office when I was probably 7 or 8), I think Last Temptation is a superior film in that it devotes a solid amount of time to the crucifixion and even more to exploring the man.

Um, no, it's not possible, if historical accuracy means anything

"The Last Temptation of Christ," was more sensationalistic in its unorthodox fictional portrayal of Christ, but that does not make it a better film.

"The Passion of the Christ" was meant as a meditation on Christ's passion and death, a topic recommended by Catholic mystics such as St. Alphonsus Liguori, and even the Gospels themselves (which all devote an inordinate amount of time on the last couple days of his 33 year life). Yes, the violence was over the top, but that was the reality of crucifixion.  My complaint, if anything, was that Gibson employed the traditional artistic cross, and nails through the hands, as opposed to the more realistic (yet horrific, if you ask me) nails through the wrists.

Personally, I think the best movie about Christ was "Jesus of Nazereth."  It's very revealing to regard the decline in our culture when one considers this was a prime-time network TV special in the 70s.

"Films like Gibson’s

"Films like Gibson’s "Passion" remind us that film critics see
themselves as far more than advice columnists. They view themselves as
the (don’t laugh) moral arbiters of the popular culture."

Coming from Brent Bozell, this is on a level of (accidental) irony that rivals Oscar Wilde.

~A thought

I believe Mr. Bozell is forthright about where he stands faith-wise. The film critics he speaks of do not openly call themselves 'secular humanists'. They both subtly and overtly sneer at Christianity under the guise of mere 'art critics'.

 

So having a categorizable

So having a categorizable label for one's overall beliefs - and justifying those beliefs by insisting that they are taken on faith - is what makes it acceptable to comment on morality?

I would also like to see an example of a film critic sneering at Christianity; as opposed to taking issue with it being represented in a certain cinematic way.

Finally, if Bozell thinks film critics should really be nothing but advice columnists dispensing capsule summaries and a x/y rating, then he clearly doesn't understand the field.  Even Ebert, who is known almost exclusively for his "thumbs up" (or down) system of rating, justifies those ratings with thoughtful criticisms.  And yes, sometimes criticism cuts to the moral project of a movie.

~Not my point

At all.

If you don't see how the film critics are sneering at Christianity, then I simply don't know how to explain it in a way that you could see. But I'll give it some thought.

 

Chose

Should you stumble on a way to make the willfully ignorant see anything, let the rest of us in on it, will ya. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

~I'm not perking on all eight tonight

My two little girls have the sniffles and the baby is teething. Mommy very tired, brain limping. Will come up with a clever and persuasive analogy for Jason tomorrow. Must go sleep now. *yawn*

Yeah, I know how it is

When the kids aren't 100%. I hope they feel better soon. Good night. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

You can't take every

You can't take every criticism of anything remotely Christian as someone "sneering" at Christianity, like a movie review.

"Fireproof" was a movie

the critics sneered at by not commenting on it, but when they did, completely missing the point because they lack "eyes to see or ears to hear."

Then rather than comment on the film, which has probably helped or saved millions of marriages, one I read said, that if Kirk Cameron was trying to make a comeback, he failed. That shows a total lack of knowledge of Cameron's life and his commitment to helping people with their lives today and in the hereafter.

The condescension was deafening.  

Couldn't agree more. Brent

Couldn't agree more. Brent is Mr. Moral Arbiter.

Damn Bal,

I read your lead in and thought you were finally coming around. :)

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Question for discussion

So, is it NOT okay then to be a person who doesn't believe in a god?  

If it's not okay, then all those who don't are disenfranchised and not represented in America?

Are the religious then stating we are a religious nation, much like other religious nations where you have to believe?

Are the religious then stating that anyone who is not a believer is merely being "allowed" to exist in this society that would otherwise rather not have them here?

The implication is that you're not okay if you're not a believer. 

Yet, I would hold my accountability and responsibility up to any person who makes a claim of believing that my actions are steeped in greater freedom than their own. 

That my conscious choices are more genuine than their own as I make my choices out of responsibility & accountability - I seek no reward from a source outside myself. 

I make each choice at no cost to others without their consent.

Further, if each choice made is at no cost to others without their consent - how does that not uphold the Constitution and freedom of choice for every human being, irrespective of my personal choices or beliefs?

I place no burden or obligation onto another human being for which he did not place upon himself.

I go a step further and will not engage with a person who is not living in personal freedom if he is attempting to make a choice at a cost to himself whereby my participation would be taking advantage of his inability to live free

I treat all life equal across the board

I silence no opinion

I endorse that each care for self and all will be cared for

And how is it that the religious elevate themselves above my conscious actions or existence?

Ummm

Might be time to get over yourself

So...

I guess you made my point, then.

~Or

You made his. *shrug*

 

Yeah...

cause to reveal the "elevated sense of self" I referred to doesn't really make the point. 

oy!

OR

your just a blow hard that likes to hear himself talk.  Remember your beliefs are your beliefs and maybe you shouldnt throw stones.  I tend to agree with  the*shrug* comment


So...

Then this ISN'T a discussion board?   Ahhhh....Of course my beliefs are my beliefs, as yours belong to you.  That wasn't really the point of the post and then your mind walks off the map, too, by making a statement in defensive posture. What is it within you that you can't have an open discussion with someone who posts on a "discussion blog" about the nature of a topic by which to explore? It's always entertaining to me that the very people who rail against others for not being "open minded" are the very people who lash out when anyone wants to have open dialogue.

*shrug* back at ya with a *smirk* of condescension

~Who

Has lashed out?

 

LOL!

Ahhh... those who are incapable of understanding language used as a means to revealing the inherent nature from within

 

~The truth

Is lost with much protesting.

 

 

: )

Oh - okay then!  LOL!

*I'm playing a laugh-track as I read your posts because my laughter just isn't enough*

 

~If you want to continue

Off-topic, you could copy these posts to a Woodshed thread and carry on working out your issues.

 

 

LOL!

Ahhh... those who are incapable of understanding language used as a means to revealing the inherent nature from within

just realized, you probably don't get that statement, either

 

~You are not

As enigmatic is you think you are.

 

 

As for understanding language

You should learn to use "I" less often

I have implications from

I have implications from others that I'm not okay for being a believer.  The point is I'm secure enough with my belief that I don't worry about what others think.  I'm confident in what I believe in.

Now if you have your personal freedoms taken away because you don't believe then you have a problem...but to this point I haven't seen anything that singles out atheists freedom wise. 

www.theholyrosary.org

"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia

Agreed

So, gov't out of both our respective lives, whereby pluralistic tax dollars support no special interest, then upholds freedom and free choice for both you and I - irrespective of our beliefs.

Let's take abortion - I don't want my tax dollars or yours funding this choice.  However, at this point in our societal development, I still want a woman to be able to have that choice until she can choose more accurately.

Marriage - I don't want my tax dollars or yours funding or giving "credit" to those who marry - gay or straight - so getting gov't out of that biz would uphold freedom to any individuals who wish to engage in such contract irrespective of our beliefs.  If your religious belief holds that gays can't marry, no problem, since gov't out of the biz would not uphold such and legal contracts between any two people would outline health, wealth and bequeathment issues. 

In both instances, our pluralistic tax dollars do not fund such activities and individuals can make decisions on their own, irrespective of our personal beliefs or personal choices we would make. 

 

Now that's something I can

Now that's something I can agree with....but it will never happen in reality.

 www.theholyrosary.org

"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia

BTW

While anyone's endorsement is not required or desired, I uphold your freedom to believe whatever it is you want to believe in so much as it does not infringe on free choice, freedom and equal access to anyone else

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IC, you sound like you want

IC, you sound like you want in.  All you have to do is believe. 

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:16

LOL!

Not even a little bit!  But thanks for offering!  : )

Your choice. 

Your choice. 

That's just solipsism.

That's just solipsism.

First of all, please point out where anyone said it's not OK to be a person who doesn't believe in a God.

If it's not okay, then all those who don't are disenfranchised and not represented in America?

Disenfranchised:  I do not think it means what you think it means.  - Inigo Montoya

M-W Online: to deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or immunity
; especially : to deprive of the right to vote
(emphasis in original)

You'll have to list what rights atheists are deprived of.  

That my conscious choices are more genuine than their own as I make my choices out of responsibility & accountability

Accountability to whom or what?

I endorse that each care for self and all will be cared for 

By whom?  And under what authority?

I go a step further and will not engage with a person who is not living
in personal freedom if he is attempting to make a choice at a cost to
himself whereby my participation would be taking advantage of his
inability to live free.

What the hell does that even mean????

I agree with Jed.....get over yourself.

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

wow

Dude, why all the hate!

Just cause you don't understand something doesn't mean it's in error, maybe it's your thinking that's in error

"disenfranchise" was used to describe the act of discriminating - perhaps that style is lost on you

Unlike you, I am accountable (ownership of choice) to myself and response-able (ability to respond to my choices) to myself where each choice is made at no cost to another without consent - freedom of individuals to decide

If you seek outside yourself a source by which you are bound, no one would infringe on your right to do so

If you claim it is only BECAUSE of this source you act in accountability and responsibility - I would say you are either: a liar or a sociopath

If you are unable, from within yourself, to not infringe on another's freedoms only because of your bible or god, then you've got bigger problems than my post on a discussion board - and it wouldn't be bad for people to stay clear of you just in case you pop-off at some point and go crazy cause your source or bible are unavailable for reference to any given situation where guidance is needed

And to your question about "Let each care for self and all will be cared for" - it's about personal accountability and responsibility - I don't need liberals telling me how to live and what choices to make.  Every person not living in that precept is living at a cost to someone else without consent - think about it.

 

"disenfranchise" was used

"disenfranchise" was used to describe the act of discriminating - perhaps that style is lost on you

Disenfranchise is not a synonym for discriminate.

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BTW

"First of all, please point out where anyone said it's not OK to be a person who doesn't believe in a God"

Clearly you didn't understand the post since you didn't realize that the post started off with...

QUESTIONS!

Tell him Bob what he's won! 

"I go a step further and will not engage with a person who is not living in personal freedom if he is attempting to make a choice at a cost to himself whereby my participation would be taking advantage of his inability to live free.

What the hell does that even mean???? "

It means that I would not participate in someone wanting to make a choice where I would be taking advantage.  Example: if I went to a movie, the movie was delayed for any reason and the theater tried to offer me a free ticket - I wouldn't take the ticket because I had the CHOICE to leave, stay or get my money back - the only inconvenience is decided by me and CHOICE alleviates the victimization of inconvenience.

Again - just cause you don't understand something doesn't mean it's in error

~Again

Just because you make a big deal about something doesn't mean anyone cares.

We have quite a number of avowed atheists here. No one has a problem with them. 

 

DUDE!

I made no "big deal" of anything, I merely posted some questions and my observations of my own life.

You, personally and subjectively, made a "big deal" of it with your emotional post. 

Clearly you don't like anyone questioning this issue or making the case that perhaps christians aren't as free as they think they are or as developed as they think they are - who knows and who cares.

It's a DISCUSSION BOARD where it is implied that DISCUSSION would, upheld by the Constitution, be free and open.

You have a CHOICE to not participate.  Acting like you're offended after having been complicit by the simple act of having clicked on the comment section, is just you creating victimization.

Now don't get excited, but this is a QUESTION: why would any person want to have the experience of being offended?

~Out of curiosity

Which 'emotional post' would that be?

 

Just because you used

Just because you used "disenfranchised" to mean "discriminated against" doesn't make it right. Am I the stupid one, because I didn't "understand" that you were using a word incorrectly for your own purposes?  I knew what you intended; which is why I pointed out your error. But I guess you get to use words however you want.

Your movie theater example doesn't make sense.  Accepting a free ticket would NOT be taking advantage of his inability to live free.  He freely chooses to offer you the ticket; it's no impingement on his freedom. 

You said you wanted a discussion.  I discussed; I pointed out where I disagreed with you.   You, in turn, resorted to insulting my intelligence.

YOu are just trying to claim that atheists have more morals than believers, because they do it of "their own free will" as if Christians don't.  Where do you you think your "instinct" to do good comes from?

Have a nice non-Easter, non-religious, Spring weekend.

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

once again

I did not call you "stupid" I said you didn't understand - there's a difference - although I'm starting to think maybe you are

the movie ticket is a good one because quite simply - why would a person extort the theater when the individual has a choice to make when the movie is not working?

to your point about "disenfranchise", even your definition says, "to deprive of..." which is the implication of the statement written. 

You subjectively personalized my post so as to victimize yourself, otherwise you wouldn't be writing that now.  I don't care what people say to me or about me, it doesn't mean anything.  You apparently do care - the "caring" sets a person up for being a victim to the world.  Why would a person do that to self?

I'm not "claiming" atheists have anything - I'm not an atheist, I'm agnostic - I don't know the "first cause" and neither do you - there's only subjective personal projection of such - however it matters not as long as no individual infringes on another.

religious people are the ones who set themselves up for criticism when they espouse certain precepts - not me.  Again, I don't care, let them do as they wish.

The one question not answered by anyone is, "are non-believing Americans simply being tolerated and allowed to be in this nation?"

I have no "instinct" to good, it is a by-product that comes from living my life at no cost to others without their consent - why? because "good" is a subjective term whereby individual value is placed. 

You are familiar with free markets and how individual value is placed in free choice and free thought?

What is good?  Killing jihad - good, killing your neighbor - not good.  Killing chickens for food - good, killing your cat - not good.  This could go on all day and EVERY single decision toward "good" is subjective because there is someone else who does not think your "good" is their "good". 

If you force your "good" then you're not living in freedom - which was my point from the very beginning. 

Frankly - every day is a great day - I need no holiday because I live in freedom and at no cost to another without his consent. I own my choices and I am able to respond to those choices.

can you say the same about yourself?

Your post is evidence enough that you cannot since disagreement is not acceptable or is met with disdain.

I'm sure if you were courageous and placed several examples, we would walk back your choices to show exactly where your choices are at a cost to others because you believe as you believe, not just about a god, but how everyone should live - much like liberals do.

again - my point from the beginning - religion thinks it knows something and as such wants everyone else to live that way.

~Yawn

 

 

question

Are you this boring in person?

interesting

" I knew what you intended; which is why I pointed out your error."

Your sentence assumed an error where there was none

Your sentence shows you KNEW the intention which means your "pointing it out" is disengenous and an attempt to elevate yourself by playing a game 

it really just examples what I've been saying all along about the dishonest nature of humans who espouse one thing and do another

and yes, in a free world, I get to use words any way I want - you have a problem with that?  you have a problem with individual uniqueness? apparently so

you must have an arduous life where everyone is constantly not doing what you think they should be doing

Free Will

ICONIC FREEDOM:

You have gone way around the barn to say what you could have said in 2 words: FREE WILL

Most mature Christians will not attempt to dispute your words. We did not write The Bible. Instead, we accept it as the inspired word of God AND failing daily, we attempt to follow it's teaching and become more like Jesus Christ every day and on most days we fail. That is what brings about the need for what Jesus Christ did in closing the huge gap between what we are and what God expects us to be. It is called Grace.

Free will indicates that men/women have a choice regarding whether to accept Jesus Christ or not. Many people who are, by all appearances very good people, have made the decision to reject Christ. In the end, He will take you at your word.

Greetings

I appreciate your response, however, not surprisingly, I disagree.

Here's why:

if a person is free, then he will act and make choice as such

to "will" something is to go against natural instinct - if there was a fire in your kitchen while sitting in your living room, natural instinct toward survival will get you to move toward putting it out or getting out (notice how many times people will be in situations where they will state, "I didn't even think about it I just moved")

if you go against your natural instinct you would then "will" yourself to make a choice against your natural instinct - but that's not free as it is consciously "willed"

why do we call a child "willful"? because the child goes against the adults "will" for the child's behavior or choices

a diet is another good example: a person speaks of "will power" because the natural instinct is to eat certain foods, but if a person consciously makes food choices which alleviate the "addiction" of certain foods then no "will" is needed as it has become a part of the individual to make the best and accurate choice for self toward health

(health = freedom, the more you have of one the more you have of the other)

Not placing a value on the choice - just making the observation - the individual makes the value decision

now, my hypothesis is that if a person learns to make choices out of understanding accountability and response-ability with no cost to others without consent - then at some point it would become the natural instinct - but it would have to be developed - like walking and talking

which is one of my hypothesis' about our world at large: development is in atrophy because these precepts aren't taught

mainly because of personal subjective agenda - religious or otherwise, doesn't matter at this point in societal development

thanks for your post to my questions; I always appreciate the opportunity to explore further

You are welcome

You are welcome. If you ever decide to open your mind to further exploration of why and how we exist, apart from the logical, scientific, secularist viewpoint, I would be happy to take part. You see, it is impossible to subject the super-natural to secularist philosophical discussion. 

"If you are going to walk on water, first you have to get out of the boat. 

Question for you, precious IF

When was the last time jackboots kicked your door in and hauled you off to a detainment camp for questioning concerning your obvious 'faith,' secular humanism?  Pretentious idiot. 

 

 

The great Socio/Economic Experiments of the 20th cent. (communism, socialism, fascism) only killed a few hundred million.  Let's give 'em another try! - me

All hail Brent!

All hail Brent!

~Weak

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

not a Christian nation

to rebuke Obama's saying America is not a Christian nation...here

in San Antonio texas they reenact the Cruxifiction of Christ and today they are expexting at least 15,000 (150,000)

to be downtown for this...yes I am proud to live in a Christian

city...

Two articles on the "Passion" on NB?

Man, must be a slooooooow news day.  I understand Easter is the weekend and all but come on, kind of over kill isnt it? How many years ago was this movie put out?  Why don't we talk about something - I dont know, "Current" comes to mind.....

Let me explain

It's Good Friday.  Those who understand what that truly means understand that this could not possibly be more "current".   If you are not interested, you are free to move on.  Those who are interested appreciate that the eternal "relevance" is indeed recognized here.

Whoever is forcing Rag and

Whoever is forcing Rag and Mr. Freedom to post here, please knock it off.

;-)

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He Also Praised Oliver Stone's "World Trade Center"

I don't particularly have a short memory myself, so let me give it straight: He wrote a column where he essentially said "God Bless Oliver Stone" when Stone made World Trade Center. Yes, the same Oliver Stone that conservative critics tend to despise for films like Platoon, Nixon, JFK, and let's not forget his most recent one, W. Just because someone says something nice about a movie doesn't mean it's any good, whether it's liberal or conservative. He praised Prince Caspian, probably not knowing that to most Chronicles of Narnia fans, it's the weakest book in the series. It's even rumored that C.S. Lewis himself wrote the volume just in order to pay off some debts he got into.

What I am trying to say is that just because one person likes a movie doesn't mean everyone has to, or vice-versa. I would submit that the Kill Bill movies are far superior than The Passion of the Christ could ever be because you really feel the story and don't view the violence as realistic. Besides, it's got anime in it, so it's infinitely better. Maybe Mel Gibson should have made an anime version or The Passion and maybe it would please everyone. At least everyone who's probably going to hate that live-action Dragonball Z movie coming out today.

The Passion still sounds like a snuff film to me. All you have to do is catch that South Park episode "The Passion of the Jew" to see why. http://www.southparkstudios.com/ In retrospect though, Trey and Matt did say that they might have taken it back if it weren't for how much of a brilliant money move it was.

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"The Passion still sounds like a snuff film to me. All you have to do is catch that South Park episode 'The Passion of the Jew' to see why."

Uh...

It would make a lot more sense to actually see The Passion.   (Of course, I should add that I would recommend a certain background of historical and/or theological knowledge before seeing it in order to truly appreciate it on every level.)