Newsweek's Alter Relieved Obama's So Beyond 'Good Vs. Evil' Rhetoric, Urges 'Much Closer Relations' with Iran

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Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter hit all the expected pro-Obama marks in an interview on Monday’s night’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. He disparaged George Bush’s "good versus evil, us versus them" foreign policy, marred by "Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and the war in Iraq, it’s understandable why the Muslim would would get this message – that the United States did not wish them well."

As for his own personal foreign policy, Alter advocated a much softer tone with our enemies. Ultimatums don’t work, so "I personally favor much closer relations between the United States and Iran because, as Obama said during the campaign, you have to talk to your enemies." Here's how it unfolded:

OLBERMANN: It seemed so radical to hear an American president say United States is not and can’t be at a war with Islam. Is that a clarification that needed to be made? And is there any way to gauge how much it needed to be made?

ALTER: It absolutely had to be made. This was a huge and extremely important do-over for the United States in the Muslim world. You know, under Bill Clinton, we had pretty good relations in that part of the world.

Alter then gently tried to elide Olbermann’s obvious error, that somehow saying "we’re not at war with Islam" is a brand-new sentiment, that President Bush never said it. (He said it repeatedly.) Alter said Bush’s moderate talk was ruined by his actions:

I think, President Bush, after 9/11, wanted to reach out to more moderate Muslims, but in pretty much everything he said, he hurt himself in that effort. So we had a "good versus evil, us versus them" kind of foreign policy where when you throw in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and the war in Iraq, it`s understandable why the Muslim world would get this message -- that the United States did not wish them well. So, it’s extremely important that President Obama make this crystal clear as he did this week.

Since this was a comfortable chat among liberals, no one bothered to raise the inconvenient truth that Bill Clinton’s "pretty good relations" in the Muslim world utterly failed to prevent 9/11 and never led to a peace the Palestinian radicals would accept. Alter wasn't pressed to consider that Clinton's era of "pretty good relations" didn’t stop the World Trade Center attack of 1993, the slaughter of American airmen at Khobar Towers in 1995, the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, or the attack on the U.S.S. Cole in 2000. If Bush hurt relations with Muslim countries with Iraq, did Clinton damage them with the bombings in Afghanistan and Sudan and Iraq in 1998?

Olbermann simply suggested that Bush was opposed to the concept of allies in the Middle East (as if Bush never wanted one, and never had one):

OLBERMANN: Should it have been crystal clear to this nation for the last eight years that the U.S. was not going to succeed at containing the nuclear threat in Iran without allies in the Muslim world, rather than people just who might be if we`re mean enough to them scared of us?

ALTER: Yes. Ultimatums generally don`t work. What works best is actually regional diplomacy -- even though, you know, I personally favor much closer relations between the United States and Iran because, as Obama said during the campaign, you have to talk to your enemies.

Before you get to that, before you get to U.S.-Iranian relations, have you to create a structure of peace and arms control in the region, in that part of the world. Otherwise, you will have not just Iranian nukes, but an arms race throughout that area with perhaps Egypt and others getting nuclear weapons. That would be a true disaster for the world.

The same question applies to these comments. Surely, the Clinton administration also recited the liberal rhetoric about a "structure of arms control," but at what time in the Clinton years did their diplomacy lead to an end to Iranian nuclear ambitions?

It sounded like Jonathan Alter wasn't so much looking for results, but just preferred a change in tone and temperament: multilateral beats unilateral, talking beats threatening and fighting, and, although it did not come up too explicitly, turning down the judgmental sound of the "war on terror" beats Bushian "certitude" about "evil." Will these pundits actually reflect on this stance if Iran or the Middle East don't improve in the next few years?

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Closer relations???

Sure Alter, a nuke up yer butt would definitely be closer relations with Iran. Doofus!

 

Gary

"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad

When we get back Congress....

....we need to get a 'truth in labeling' law for TV personalities.

Whenever a person appears on TV to give their opinion or to 'report' on some public issue, there should be a scrawl or a chryon beneath their name stating who they voted for and which partisan activities they are involved with.

It's easy enough when its a 'republican strategist' or 'democrat strategist' but Alter, Olbermann and everybody else who appears on NBCs family of networks are never labeled for what they are - partisan hacks.

Jonathan Alter would have a scrawl under his name stating "Alter has written three books attack GOP Presidents and in Editor In Chief of Newsweek who wrote 67 favorable 'articles' on Obama during the 2008 campaign.  Alter is also a member of a liberal journalism ListServ where she conspires with other liberals in academia and journalism to create stories to harm conservative figures or ruin their reputations."

bpjam... Problem with

bpjam...

Problem with that 'truth in labeling' thing...it wouldn't matter if they made it a law...they would still lie as they do now.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

 Has Jonathan Alter lost

Has Jonathan Alter lost his ever-loving mind????

I personally favor much closer relations between the United States
and Iran because, as Obama said during the campaign, you have to talk
to your enemies.

Before you get to that, before you get to U.S.-Iranian relations,
have you to create a structure of peace and arms control in the region,
in that part of the world.
Otherwise, you will have not just Iranian
nukes, but an arms race throughout that area with perhaps Egypt and
others getting nuclear weapons
.

OK, Genius...how do you get arms control in that region when Iran says they are going for an atomic bomb and no one is going to stop them?  Do you let Iran have a bomb, but no one else???

This guy is talking no sense at all, just for the sake of filling air and praising his Obama!  It's complete and utter nonsense!

Unless, of course, when he says "in that region" he is talking about first forcing Israel to give up their nuclear optioin.....then it makes sense.

He's not seriously suggesting that.....is he????

 

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

"filling air and praising his Obama"

It's Countdown, for crying out loud!!! George Costanza knows full well you don't do that, you're out.

I do think he's talking about Israel, tho; kinda strange coming from... a Jew. 

More shish kabob all around. 

Alter being a Jew

Realize that there are about five different demoninations of Judaism in America and one of those is Atheism.  Yes, I'm totally serious.

Alter and most of the trolls in the MSM are in the Atheism variety of Judaism.  Charitably, I could refer to them as 'cultural Jews' which still puts them in the non-believing or practicing category even if they do show up to Temple for Passover or Yom Kippur during the years they have pre-teen kids at home.

Most Jews in NYC think Israel is as much a threat as Hamas or Hezbollah.  They don't like anybody who aggressively defends themselves (other than the NY Times editorial page) and they are ashamed to be associated with the Israeli government.

It's sad but more than half of all Jews in America don't support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish Nation.  Of course, the MSM wasn't exactly helping Jews much in the 30s and 40s when they were justifying Hitlers actions and ignoring the pleas of European jews to get asylum here in the U.S. to avoid the concentration camps and violent anti-semitism which preceded it.

Better relations under Clinton???!!!

 
Sure...If you don't count the first World Trade Center bombing, the attacks on the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the suicide attack on the USS Cole, and probably the TWA Flight 800 shootdown.

Just peachy relations.

 

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

www.loyaltoliberty.com

I bet

the subserviant bow to the Saudi king went a long way with Iran.

They have visual evidence that the "President" is a weak fool.

And if they adjust their satellites to pick up MSNBC, they can see that weak-minded fools are lauding Obama.

Alter has always been a

Alter has always been a La-La-Land-Looney-Leftist-Lemming.

Nothing new here. 

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Wishful thinking

"Alter has always been a La-La-Land-Looney-Leftist-Lemming."

If only there were a nearby cliff.  Jus' sayin'.  : )

Gary

"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad

Ruk...    

Ruk...

    ;-)

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

War with Islam? Huh?

Olbermann: It seemed so radical to hear an American president say United States is
not and can’t be at a war with Islam. Is that a clarification that
needed to be made? And is there any way to gauge how much it needed to
be made?

Bush and various members of his administration made that point publicly and repeatedly from 9-11-2001 onwards.

It's not stretching the truth to say that these BDS-suffering Obama disciples (e.g., CBS, NBC, MS-NBC and CNN) are borderline-insane.  There's something seriously wrong with these people.

 

 

I wonder if these guys would

I wonder if these guys would have wanted better relations with Hitler?

So Educated, Yet So Ignorent

"What works best is actually regional diplomacy"

I wonder if this wunderkind could point out a few instances where diplomacy actually prevented rather than just postponed wars.  Way too much time, money, and effort is spent on diplomacy, it is good that we use fools for it, for it is a fool's errand.

The world is a cold, brutal place, filled with nation states that generally compete for resources, power, and prestige.  And, unfortunately, those nation states will only renounce war when another nation state has imposed it's will upon it by force of arms. 

If there is a God, I hope he grants us reprieve until adults take over our government.

Moderate muslims, please identify yourselves

How long should we 'reach out to moderate muslims'? What actions exactly count as 'reaching out to moderate muslims'? How do we measure the success of outreach to 'moderate muslims'? Please identify the 'moderate muslims' that we will target.

We need to question such nonsense statements as this by questioning methods and objectives and measures of success just as you would with a military campaign. In the end I suspect it's just a lot of happy-talk.

→ Over there, slick!

The moderate Muslims are the guys who stay back at the mosque praying for the success of the radical Muslims.

It's a new deviation of the old progression:  Then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak up.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

There is no such thing as "moderate" Islam

Jonathan Alter is profoundly ignorant of Islamic history, else he would know that.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

→ Bingo RD

If he knew anything about Islamic or American history, he'd know "to the shores of Tripoli" is a reference to President Jefferson's response to Islamic attacks on our ships.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Arrow don't you know that

Arrow don't you know that Jefferson was a racist islamophobe who used unilateralist cowboy diplomacy instead of building bridges to the Barbary Pirates and the Ottoman Empire. Besides it was America's fault that we were attacked and our merchant marines captured and enslaved. If we weren't engaged in godless capitalism, the world would have loved us. Moreover, if we hadn't treated our slaves and aboriginal peoples so horribly, these chickens wouldn't have come home to roost.

I do note that one of the Founding Fathers did write to the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire telling him that America did not have any hostility towards the muslim nations, and all he got back was grievances and hostilities for his attempts at accomodation.

As for the sentiment in the CNN trash piece about Americans viewing islam as an ideology not a religion that's not true. Maybe Chrissie Amanapour was thinking of the word 'cult' but that got stuck in her throat. But it would be closer to the truth. Moreover, where in her report is the fact that islam categorizes most of America as infidels and second class citizens only fit to convert, be taxed or die? To know islam is not to particularly like it, though there are good muslims, as there are in other religions, I sometimes feel that they are good in spite of what they are taught not because of their education.

I think that both us and

I think that both us and the Communists hope that Israel handles the Iranian nuke thing.

Them, so that Dear Leader won't have to deal, uh, talk about it.  And us because we know he won't do anything about it.

Pretty sad.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Re Israel handling it

We know Obammy will not do a damn thing about Iranian nukes, in fact if he believes the typical liberal theology on this, he welcomes the spread of nuclear weapons because it will bring others into more of a military balance with the USA. That was part of the justification offered by the spies in the Manhattan project and by socialists and far-left liberals ever since.

But will he do anything to restrain Israel or prevent success in strikes against Iran? I suspect President George W. Bush would have secretly provided overfly permission and then denied direct support for the mission. Will Obammy take active measures to block Israeli planes? If Israel has to strike at Iran with only missiles and submarine launched cruise missiles, success of their mission is much less likely. In the end the Bamster's vacillation and appeasement may prevent Israel from a successful strike while in the end still unleashing the same war that will be launched by Iran in response. This will not end well, and it will be because of his JFK-like incompetence and inexperience.