So Much for Unity: Obama-Backing Hip Hop Mogul Boasts He Loves Cop-Killer Song

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Brent Bozell and others have asked if the ascent of President Obama will drain the swamp of hip-hop hate. In an interview with our news hounds at CNSNews.com (complete with video), hip-hop mogul and Obama supporter Russell Simmons suggested that hatred of the police and government continues, and he still doesn't see anything wrong with cop-killer anthems:

"Some people still see the suffering and the ignorance in the communities and the lack of opportunity – educational opportunity – lack of funding for health care and these things," said Simmons, "or if they still feel the police are an occupying force, they make a good song. My favorite song is ‘F--- tha Police.’ Right? Listen, I’m old. I like that song."

Simmons told CNSNews.com: "I don’t think there’s anything wrong with anything they said. They are not saying anything that’s not true."

"F— tha Police" was a big song for the rap group N.W.A., which included the rapper Ice Cube, who’s now mainstreamed himself enough to star as the lovable father figure in films like Are We There Yet? But on this track, he boasted about a bloodbath of Los Angeles police officers:

Ice Cube will swarm/On any mother f----- in a blue uniform.
Just cause I’m from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me.
A young n---- on a warpath/And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin’ in LA.

There’s nothing wrong with what he said there? Simmons kept up the argument: "While they point the fingers at the rappers, they continue – not only all the smart people, the sophisticates – continue to bomb innocent people, ignore the poor," he said. "They continue to, you know, God knows how many horrible things we support."

These questions weren’t thrown at Simmons when he was interviewed by NPR’s Weekend Edition on January 17. He was brought on to discuss how the hip-hop community registered voters for Obama. Simmons didn’t tell NPR his favorite song was F— tha Police." He suggested he was much more indecisive than that:

SIMMONS: You know, I turn on the radio and someone says, what's your favorite record? And I say, sometimes, the one on the radio. There's something inside them that we're looking for that makes them special and have a lasting and stable career. And I never know what that is until it hits me.

SIMON: Mr. Simmons, forgive me not knowing, you have met President Obama -- President-elect Obama?

SIMMONS: Oh,yeah.

SIMON: And when you get his ear, what do you say to him, if we may ask?

SIMMONS: The president -- now I haven't spoken to him since after the election. But I don't know, you know, what am I going to say? You know, prison reform. He said he liked retroactivity, where Senator Clinton didn't. Animal rights, nine billion suffering farm animals. You know what, I think the arts in the schools -- small -- meditation in schools. The worst school in Detroit is now the best as a result of sitting still, quiet time. Little things he can promote, he could make a difference.

Wait, wait. So Russell Simmons is okay with killing the cops, but not killing the cows?

Actually, Simmons has been honored by police groups, so why is he promoting cop-killer songs as his favorites?

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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"or if they still feel the

"or if they still feel the police are an occupying force"

What about the other occupying force, what? You don't remember the drug dealers, and gangs walking the streets?

Does anyone remember NB story asking is anything will change if Obama was president? Now you have your offical answer...NO. 

Obama just justified the victim mentality. Welcome to the new world, looks like the old one to me.

Now that Obama IS 'The Man;,,,

...I wonder if that uplifting old school classic is on his iPod?

  The man has gotten filthy

  The man has gotten filthy rich exploiting the misery of the minority community why wouldn't he want it to continue?

Parasite:   An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

Simmons

"Some people still see the suffering and the ignorance in the communities and the lack of opportunity...

That sure can't be their fault. Gotta be somebody else to blame those conditions on. Fo' sho man. 

"...lack of funding for health care and these things,"

Show me a welfare/healthcare program that contains criteria for the exclusion of degenerate slackers and you might have something useful.

 

"...yo Dre, I got somethin'

"...yo Dre, I got somethin' to say"

Look, I think it's possible to like that song, to appreciate the cultural landscape from which it emerged or, if you like, to appreciate that it's an example of sincere - if not misdirected - racialized hatred, without buying whole hog into the sort of violent bravado that NWA was rapping about (not necessarily promoting) back in 1989.  

Just as it's possible to enjoy Scorsese's The Departed without feeling compelled to go out and kill Irish cops (or gangsters, for that matter) in Boston; or to enjoy Braveheart without wanting to overthrow the British Crown. 

These things are cultural and literary texts.  I think that because it was a bunch of young black men rapping the song in question, we're more likely to take it purely at face value.  If you listen to NWA's entire Straight Outta Compton album - not that I imagine most NBers ever would - you'll notice that hidden among the violent narratives about inner-city life, there are some genuinely positive observations and messages.  The song Dopeman, for instance, describes the life of a crack cocaine dealer.  It also features the not-particularly-subtle line "If you smoke [co]caine, you a stupid motherf----r".  Doesn't get much more cautionary than that.

As you can probably tell, I'm a big NWA fan.  I know of what I speak.

 

I'm heartened to know that's

I'm heartened to know that's it is 'sincere' racialized hatred.

'Literary texts' it is not.

I'm heartened to know

I'm heartened to know that's it is 'sincere' racialized hatred.

I think they were genuinely outraged - as opposed to the commodity that so-called gangster rap has become in recent years - with what they considered the white establishment.  If you were a young black man in Compton in the late 80s, you might have been too.

'Literary texts' it is not.

Why not?

This is probably why some in the neighborhood

don't like the cops.

2008 Mugshots of the Year from Smoking Gun. 

Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster

oh please russell

I feel like the IRS is an occupying force. Same for state agencies who take away children based on rumors and parking authtorities who charge me money for the priviledge of parking on a street that my tax dollars paved.

Unless you speak out against those intrusive forces, this just sounds like you hate cops. 

Again, does anyone who

Again, does anyone who enjoys a good gangster film hate cops?  Doesn't a corrupt cop get capped in The Godfather?  Does this mean Coppola hated cops, since he gave us a narrative representation of Italian gangsters who are, for all intents and purposes, the protagonists?  Nope, it's a masterpiece.

But young black men doing essentially the same thing, based on their own experiences?  Nothing but thugs, right?

I'm not the best to answer that

I don't watch violent films and am usually annoyed by things that are insulting toward police.

Aside from that I do agree with your basic point that it's possible to appreciate a work of art without endorsing the actions of the characters or lyrics. I have a lot of respect for Eminem as a musician even though I can't listen to his stuff without cringing.

If Russell Simmons had simply made that one point I would have been okay with it. But that's not what he said - he went on about angry men who see police as occupiers. That's more akin to me saying I like to watch Braveheart because that queen of England is a beeatch.

 

Dissent is the truest voice of patriotism, except when it hinders a Democrat.

Duh!

Yes, Jason, black men killing cops are nothing but thugs. 

 

 

 

 

Whoops, someone missed the

Whoops, someone missed the point!

So far as I know - and feel free to correct me - the members of NWA never killed any cops.  I was comparing them to Francis Ford Coppola, not to actual cop-killers. This discussion was never about people who actually commit such violence, but about the relativism inherent in reacting to artistic representations of violence against police.

I'd say "duh!" right back, but I'd just as soon not sound like a semi-literate 9-year-old circa 1987.  'QED' should suffice.

Songs

Suppose back in the 1950s or early 60s there was some hillbilly redneck that cut a record about how cool it was to "bash some Nigra's Haid" and swooned about invaders from the North. Say the record was popular among the younger southern whites and lead to imitators all over the south. Now years later would it be simply be a matter of taste for Presidential acquaintances to enjoy the song and understand the poor hoodlums that lived through the invasion of freedom riders. Could he say "Well they might have been wrong, but I understand how they felt."

Bull Crap! Not a chance in Hell you could do that. But these cop killing terrorists get the old Yes, But, but, but you see...don't you see? treatment. Sorry Jason, it is more than the melody or understanding their hearts

of course he wouldn't do that,, Jay

I figured out a long time ago that people like Jason aren't really against "racism." What they really are is they're anti-white.

Let us tell the truth

Let us tell the truth here. If these supposed artistic diatribes were really from the perspective of the poor downtrodden minority community why is it all these "ARTISTS" celebrate thier wealth while demeaning the very culture from which they came? It is about greed pure and simple. It is about unbridled lust. There are genuine hip hop artists out there commenting on conditions without spewing hate and showing a disgusting display of no class wealth and vulgarity. By there acts you shall know them. It is not Hip Hop or Minority opinion I dispise. It is the practice of keeping your own kind in the toilet in order to bring wealth for yourself. This is the worse kind of behaviour possible and somehow this is thought of as being enlightened.

Give me a break.

To Be Fair, It Can Happen To White People As Well...

I will say that what offends me about this article is that Russell Simmons seems to think that some bad cops only target black people. Some bad cops also target white people as well. Case in point: My mother, who was a protestant Christian with a severe drug addiction, got me and my father (who's a moderate Jew, just to be clear) thrown to the ground by the police when I was eight years old. She was so sick in her mind with her cocaine addiction, she just had to force my father to take her and me to the bad part of town so she could get some cocaine to "ease her pain". I know, it made things worse for her in many ways, but there was no way out of it. She could be overpowering against my father and I when she needed to.

So, we ended up taking my mother to the bad side of town, when a patrol car pulled us over. I could understand that they would want to put my mother against the ground since she did have a record in the area, but they also did it to my father and I. And this is why I mentioned that I was eight when this happened. I was an eight-year-old boy who didn't know any better what was going on, and I was put face forward toward the ground by the police. Even though what my mother did was clearly wrong and only brought this upon me through her negligence, was it necessary for the police to put an eight-year-old boy against the ground, whether they're white or black?

To this day, I've feared the police in a way that, well, it's not hatred or loathing. It's just that I don't like the police in general. I have never committed a crime because of what happened to me that day, but I still have a negative view of the police. I know most of them are good, upright citizens who try to protect the good of us, but I can't shake off that feeling that some of them are bad apples. All I can say is that we need to be constantly vigilant of our surroundings for the good of us, try to avoid breaking the law at all cost, and make sure we don't run into the bad apples among the good, healthy apple tree that is the police.

Some of them are power freaks

I once saw an episode of COPS where an officer was following a car that was weaving back and forth wildly and slowly drifted to a stop after a few blocks. The cop opened the driver's door and an old white man fell out of the car onto the pavement. The cop yelled at him and beat the sh!t out of him for not stopping right away.
Turned out the 68 year old man was in diabetic shock and unaware of his surroundings.
First and last time I ever watched COPS.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Choselife3X

You need to to something about your hatred of cops, maybe some therapy or medication. I detected it in your prejudiced, ignorant comments about the Virginia Tech cops a while back. Liberal or Conservative there is always cop hatred. I suggest you do a couple of ride-alongs preferably in a city. It might open your eyes and maybe change your closed mind. Sorry you got that ticket.

Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster