Matthews Lectures Forked-Tongue 'Paleface' Bigots of New England

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By Tim Graham | January 10, 2008 - 16:02 ET

MSNBC host Chris Matthews didn’t just uncork his line on Primary Night about how New Hampshire Democrats would have displayed their racism to pollsters if they heard an "Archie Bunker voice" on the other end of the line. He repeated it on Wednesday’s "Morning Joe" show on MSNBC. He was upset at anyone who thought the pollsters and pundits were wrong about the Obama victory, when white voters lied to pollsters: "Methinks Paleface speak with forked tongue."

Matthews declared he thought this was over in 2006: "I thought white voters had stopped being what they want to be. And you know what it tells me? People aren't proud of who they are." Host Joe Scarborough, asking Matthews to address the alleged bigotry in New England, drew out Matthews, the former top aide to Boston-area Rep. Tip O’Neill, to denounce the whole Boston area: "There's different kinds of prejudice, as you know, in the north than there is in the south, but it exists. It may not be ‘I think I'm better than you,’ but it might be ‘I don't want to live next door to you.’"

My friend and WTKK/Boston talk-show host Michael Graham (no relation) alerted me to the segment, and here’s our transcript:

SCARBOROUGH: Tell us what the hell happened in New Hampshire last night because you know one thing, i will -- let's join together here. I'm not going to take -- I'm not going to swallow this narrative. Oh, you pollsters and pundits got it wrong. We were there. We saw.

MATTHEWS: And we're going to keep polling until the last dog dies, and we're going to do it again and again and again because the American people are future-obsessed. And if you could read tea leaves or tell the future, if we had a crystal ball, we'd be using it.

SCARBOROUGH: And Chris, polling is always –

MATTHEWS, almost in unison: Polling is almost always perfect.

SCARBOROUGH: They always get it right.

MATTHEWS: Polling is great. They get it great all the time.

SCARBOROUGH: So what happened here?

MATTHEWS: Well, there's an old phrase in statistics -- garbage in, garbage out. If the people don't tell the truth to the pollsters, they can't poll.

SCARBOROUGH: Why wouldn't they tell the truth?

MATTHEWS, getting very serious: Well, remember Tonto, and the Lone Ranger? Methinks Paleface speak with forked tongue.

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah.

MATTHEWS: You hear me? Forked tongue.

SCARBOROUGH: It's the Tom Bradley effect.

MATTHEWS: He tells the pollster what he wants to hear. The politically correct voice goes, ‘Excuse me, sir or madam. How would you be voting? Would you have any problem voting for an African-American?’‘Of course not.’ You get an Archie Bunker voice, ‘what do think of this guy, Barack whatever-his-name-is,’ you get an honest answer. I’m telling you, people, they’re polling right through –

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: But what about the polls in Iowa?

MATTHEWS: Because in Iowa, they polled people walking into a room, and then they had to stand up and express themselves publicly. They couldn't go hide and squirm in that little booth and do their little thing. People were dishonest. Up to ten to fifteen percent of the voters didn't give honest answers to the pollster. And by the way, you know how we could tell that? You and I sat here last night and watched these numbers come in. The raw numbers came in absolutely, homogeneously, consistently all night long. It was absolutely the easiest thing to poll. Absolutely, you can take any piece of it, it was just like the rest of the polling of the universe.

SCARBOROUGH: It really was.

MATTHEWS: It was an easy poll unless people were dishonest. I talked to our pollster last night at midnight, uh, 1:30 in the morning when I got out of here. The only thing, I said, was there ever a turn when Hillary Clinton began to pick up and turn the corner? ‘Never!’ It never happened. There was no Hillary comeback. What happened was the polling was wrong.

Matthews tried to credit Hillary for working hard and going out in the big arenas. "She did a hell of a job. She's as courageous as hell, and she's a fine person no matter how you look at it." But he wasn't buying that the polls shifted overnight. Then Joe and Chris pondered all the alleged racist lying to pollsters in modern politics:

SCARBOROUGH: If people were lying to pollsters, it wouldn't the first time. They lied when Tom Bradley was running, the African-American Mayor of Los Angeles who ran for -- was it governor?

MATTHEWS: Governor. [In 1982 and 1986.]

SCARBOROUGH: Governor. They lied to the pollsters.

MATTHEWS: They said he won twice. Doug Wilder in Virginia.

SCARBOROUGH: Doug Wilder, they lied about Doug Wilder, and he was supposed to win by about 10 points. [In 1989.]

MATTHEWS: Thirteen.

SCARBOROUGH: Thirteen points.

MATTHEWS: He won by one.

SCARBOROUGH: Doug Wilder supposed to win by 13 points.

MATTHEWS: And Harvey Gantt in North Carolina [1990], apparently – He said, I thought, we thought this was over with. I thought the lying would end with the wonderful performance of Harold Ford Jr., who beat the polling in Tennessee. I thought it ended with macaca. I thought white voters had stopped being what they didn't want to be. And you know what it tells me? People aren't proud of who they are. They're not proud of saying who they are. If they want to vote for Hillary Clinton, fine. Why don't they say so? Why don't they tell the pollsters that?

SCARBOROUGH: I'm used to people saying that we in the South have race problems.

MATTHEWS: Ugh. Tell me about it.

SCARBOROUGH: But talk about New England.

MATTHEWS: Boston? Boston?

SCARBOROUGH: Yeah. South Boston.

MATTHEWS: Boston, the whole thing, the idea there's some -- there's different kinds of prejudice, as you know, in the north than there is in the south, but it exists. It may not be "I think I'm better than you," but it might be "I don't want to live next door to you." There's different kinds of prejudices in this world. Let's face it.

SCARBOROUGH: For the record, I think we in the south have done pretty damn well on the race issue.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center

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Paleface?!

Paleface?! Listen Bub, if we want you self loaithing opinions we'll beat it out of you. Otherwise, DO YOUR JOB you homo.

Bigots and bigotry

There are all kinds of bigots, who are guilty of all kinds of bigotry.

Chris Matthews is most of them.

I am sick of when the

I am sick of when the leftists don't get their way in an election if the person is black they attempt to go over the top ad nauseum with everything is racist...but when it is conservative black running they ridicule them in the nastiest of ways.

Talk about hypocrisy...

Btw...I saw this segment...what in the heck does Matthews think happened in Iowa of all places...eh?

Btw Matthews wake up, the only people to blame for Obama not winning is the brought in voters for the Clinton machine, Obama got plenty of votes, in fact dead on the money according to the polls....and the majority of those voting were white.

By the way you are being

By the way you are being racist to the Indians and to the whites...paleface.

Clinton's lead

Clinton was up by 10-12 points just before the Iowa caucus; then only won by 3 points. Why did people lie and say they were going to vote for her, then ended up voting for Obama.

All the Dims in Congress said the war was lost. Clinton called Patreaus a lier. How did that work out, Chris? Are you going to call them dishonest now, too?

And did Chris say something about being honest? Him? If he were truely honest, he'd admit that the MSM lost their grip on America -- we didn't do what the MSM told us to do; now Chris and others want us to all get back in line for punishment.

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Chrissy is obviously thinking...

....of the big to do in the liberal Democrat stronghold of Boston when it tried to integrate its school system.

Matt's not gonna make the end of the Election

I would be surprised if Matthews is still employed by the end of the Political Conventions......He knows a lot about "Garbage out".

People are going to tune out his show even more, they don't wanna watch someone deteriorate before their eyes.

Every time I tuned over to

Every time I tuned over to MessNBC they were crying racism.

It is going to be impossible to criticize Barack on any issue with the Matthews of the world playing the race card all the time.

I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.

 

It is going to be impossible to criticize Barack on any issue

Not true!

Obama's extensive writings have revealed him to be an angry, white-hating racist.

Here's a taste:

Obama would  describe his grandparents, the people who raised him, as "white folk."

He (Obama) cherishes every cause for complaint he can discern against white folks.  He is constantly distressed at being half-white. Obama says he "ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other "half-breeds" who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.  And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around.

A ton more at:

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

 

 

THANK YOU   I saw that

THANK YOU

 

I saw that site once and I never was able to find it.

 

"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin

A Partial Explanation

Obama spent much of the first decade of his life in Hawaii in the 1960s. As one who lived on the same island as he did (in my case, from 1963 until 1966) I can tell you that it was a pretty racist place.

Us white kids were regularly beaten up just for being white, especially if we were middle class. We were treated as "inferior" by not just the "true" locals (not too many pure Hawaiians left now, though) but by the Japanese, Chinese, Filipinos, and everyone else.

Yep, tolerant place, that. And solidly as blue as Massachusetts for almost 5 decades now.

The webmaster of that site

The webmaster of that site says the web is being "scrubbed of Obama content."

Not sure what's going on or what proof he has, but it's interesting....

Thoughts

  1. Give Obama credit. He doesn't indulge in this race game (at least he hasn't so far). I won't vote for him, but that's on policy differences. I genuinely respect him for avoiding all this crap.
  2. How ironic that these media "stars" spend so much time speculating on the racism of the electorate. But, when the electorate has a chance to express ourselves, we're giving Obama a fair shot. The only ones who are focused on skin color are the media "stars" who consider themselves so much more enlightened.
  3. Matthews thinks that people who respond to pollsters are expressing their "better" nature, and yet the voting booth allows them to descend to their vulgar racism. We read the quote about how Matthews reveres the "accuracy" of pollsters. How long before Matthews advocates that we honor the pollster more than the voting booth?

Not good evidence for the media about democracy ...

Yeah, that's right, Chris.

Yeah, that's right, Chris. The only possible reason people would have for not voting for Obama is because they are racists.

And just who made Chris Matthews the arbiter and judge of who's racist and who isn't? This is so arrogant and condescending it's not even funny.

Well, there's an old phrase in statistics -- garbage in, garbage out.
If the people don't tell the truth to the pollsters, they can't poll.

And exactly why is that a problem, Chris???

What is so important about polls, other than as a subject for you to yap over for a week?

Mr. Graham are you saying by

Mr. Graham are you saying by the snideness of your remarks that white people don't lie to pollsters? Are you denying the voluminous statistical evidence to the contrary which shows that many people of ANY race, will give a P.C. answer and then do the contrary in the privacy of a voting booth?  I mean, these things are well documented and are a known factor that EVERY pollster is aware of. Even the inimitable Frank Luntz. People who deny that racism exists are just as stupid as THOSE WHO SEE IT EVERYWHERE! However in the long history of polling the potential "skew" that occurs in inter-racial contests can't really be denied with any intellectual honesty. While I think that this might have been one factor AMONG MANY, I personally think that Hillary's CRYING GAME was an equal if not stronger contributor to the skewing of the polls. It's unfortunate that this was the only race in which the polls were "skewed" and that there was a significant event (crying) that took place almost simultaneously. So, in my opinion, there's no way to find out. 

The CRY took place too late in the evening and too close to the voting to show up in the polls, but the amount of traffic it received on EVERY outlet, IMO did it's work. I think that women, who turned out in record numbers for Mrs Clinton were upset that she was being piled on and the tears had their intended effect. In my opinion this played a stronger part than race politics, in this case. Because the impact of her crying was so jarring. That said, to deny that race might have played some part, is just as ignorant as suggesting that it played the ONLY part, since this is a well known possibility in the field of statistical analysis. 

By the way, it's funny that the same conservatives that decried African Americans in general and Oprah in particular for "race politics" by supporting Obama, are silent on the "gender politics" clearly at work here. 

Stop me if I am wrong...

Arn't those racists that Matthews is talking about all democrats?

NH is an "open primary"

NH is an "open primary" state so I'm sure Matthews will say that all those "independents" and "closet Republicans" went and voted against Obama. Because you know, by voting "for" HRC, you vote "against" Obama, which means you're a racist.

But apparently not a sexist. 

Chris Matthews says so.

This was mentioned this afternoon

on Rush - it was NH, not a real conservative stronghold, the problems were ALL on the demolib side, the publicans voted as expected. chrissie needs to take a harder look at what happened,as he seems to forget that it wasn't the (R)'s that attacked Condi Rice, Judge Thomas, or Colin Powell - humm, seems chrissie (I'm as domb as a door) mat(thews), needs to become a reporter and go back to NH and ask some strong questions.

Why is it that when there are problems in elections, they're always concerned with demolibs??

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

My points exactly

As for Matthews, I seam to remember him taking some shots at Hillary not too long ago. I think he is personally against her and will not hesitate to throw a race card out if it can hurt her.

Come to think of it, I can't really remember him saying anything negative about Edwards either. Not the most objective to steriotype a group for a decision that you disagree with. And Matthews certainly should have been able to do something more inspired than to say racism.

Eff this bs

One question: What answer, if any, does the voting public owe a pollster? None, in case the question stumped some of you leftist crybabies hanging out here. I called the Iowa caucus useless, when everyone else was gloating over Hillary's imagined defeat.

 

No, I'm not a lib, in fact I'm one of the more conservative people in my circle of acquaintances. But we need to quit letting NH and Iowa and all these useless misleading primaries decide who we're gonna vote for. The press picks up on whoever wins these things and runs like a dog after its own tail. This is pathetic. Racism didn't contribute to Hillary's win. The people told whoever called whatever the hell he wanted to hear to get him off the damn telephone. Plain and simple. This outrage, as if the American people owe the media the truth, its ridiculous. Especially given that the media have been shoving the same two people down our throats for over a year now.

I'm not voting for Barack and it'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for Hillary. That's got nothing to do with race and everything to do with basic philosophical differences. If that's too damn hard to comprehend for the press, then eff (edited) 'em.

Watch the language here...please.

Obama vs Hillary

I'm pretty far to the right and will vote for the Republican candidate. Having said that, you raise a interesting issue here. From my right wing perspective this is what I see: Obama is a fresh face and part of the next generation. Hillary is old and part of the boomer generation; also, in my opinion, she is the Yoko Ono of this race and anyone who is old enough to remember the Beatles should remember who Yoko was and what (in my opinion) she did to the Beatles. Yoko always thought she was as talented if not more talented than John (fat chance of that); I get the same exact impression from Hillary. Obama articulates fairly well and talks about ALL Americans, not just the ones who live in the blue states. Hillary is all caught up in triangulation and us against them, throw backs to the 1990's. If I were a Democrat I would never give my support to Hillary, I'd go with Obama. Also, if Hillary does get in there, us Republicans are going to try to tear her to shreds and we know all about her and how to do this. Obama will be a much harder target.

Shut up Matthews!

Hey fat white guy Matthews, shut the f--k up! Maybe we lied because we hate you MSM types and want to continue to see you tank.

Maybe they're just incompetent!!!

 

There's always the possibility that the pollsters failed to account for all the variables, Or, the media failed to test their sources and the talking heads like Mathews as usual just spewed the garbage they were force fed without accounting for the possibility of error.

Serves em right. Never, even in the worst days of yellow dog journalism has there been such blatant incompetence and unquestioning goose stepping to the liberal rantings of the Daily Kos.

oreo

Wait a minute..,Obama's black?

The Mad pole...Hey, He's blacker than Clinton

You have to fill in the blanks to make him Black....subtract his Whilte Mother...add in an Indonesia Experience, and think Chicago, South Side.

Hmmm...that doesn't work....Oh well.   

Not Only That

He was born in Hawaii.

Wacko Liberal Theory Disproven

"It may not be "I think I'm better than you," but it might be "I don't want to live next door to you."

 Guess what, Chris.  I'm a Philly guy too ('burbs, actually) who lives in what you'd call an upscale neighborhood. About 3 years ago a professional black couple moved across the street from us.  I figured, as many neighbors did, that any person of color who could afford to live in this neighborhood, hey, more power to 'em.  This conservative republican was one of the first to go up and introduce himself and as it turns out, they are probably the best neighbors we have!  So much for your theory.

Why does this drooling,

Why does this drooling, arrogant egotist get any notice. It looks like he is making a desperate attempt to gain some kind of phony notoriety like his pal Olberman. Between the two of them, in spite of the facade they display on your tv screen, they probably have a combined IQ somewhere just below plant life.

Do you agree with Matthews or not

I posted this same point in a different way than Matthews, but the fact is Democrats in IOWA who are white voted for Obama PROVING that Midwestern fly over white people are not racists at all as has been touted by liberals lecturing to them for years.

Who was it who would not vote for a black man and it is eastern white patricians who are the racists.

Matthews bringing this out only partially is completely correct.

.......and for those who think his Indian lingo might be racist to whites and Indians, that is the way Indian vocabulary works as a language. It is simple and words convey things like "crack of dawn" and all that is with it.
While using Indian shows Matthews inability to reason past lumpin all minorities as one, he should have said something akin to, "Hey homie da zebra brother sure don't hang with them Hampshire crackers".

Which is the fact. The people talking racism all the time are the racists just like the skirts in New Hampshire have proven once again they are malephobes in hating men and would vote for a looser woman just because "she is one of them".

 

 

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

Matthews acts like people

Matthews acts like people somehow "owe" the pollsters something.  No, we don't.  We can tell the pollster anything we want and then we can vote the way we want.  Matthews is seriously getting on my nerves. Now I want to go screw up some peoples polling data. :)

Right, he says if people

Right, he says if people aren't honest, the pollsters can't do their job. I'm waiting for someone to tell me why that's a problem. The only thing polls are good for is as fodder for him and the other talking heads.

And if it screws up the candidates, because they don't get the proper feedback and can't figure out how to "adjust their message," even better. They shouldn't be taking positions according to polls anyway.

I for one am sick to death

I for one am sick to death of all the polls...

Once a month would be plenty with the polls....not two or three times a day.

Enough already!

Hey! I take exception to that remark!

Being a Pol myself, oh, 2 L's, nevermind.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Fast... ROFLMAO!

Fast...

ROFLMAO!

The pollsters couldn't...

...get feed on the younger set. Cellphones are proving to be the pollster's bane of existence. The polls are becoming irrelevant.

Syrius

"Fear is the mother of morality." -Nietzsche

"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion." -Goebbels

"MATTHEWS: He tells the

"MATTHEWS: He tells the pollster what he wants to hear. The politically
correct voice goes, ‘Excuse me, sir or madam. How would you be voting?
Would you have any problem voting for an African-American?’‘Of course
not.’ You get an Archie Bunker voice, ‘what do think of this guy,
Barack whatever-his-name-is,’ you get an honest answer. I’m telling
you, people, they’re polling right through"

If this is the way the pollster asked their questions, it's not the "white man" voter's fault, and it's no wonder the polls were off. Not having a problem voting for a black guy doesn't mean you are voting for the black guy.

"By the way, it's funny

"By the way, it's funny that the same conservatives that decried African
Americans in general and Oprah in particular for "race politics" by
supporting Obama, are silent on the "gender politics" clearly at work
here. "

Then you haven't been paying attention. 

Media Won't Drop Out, In

Media Won't Drop Out, In Race for Long Haul
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace
(2008-01-09) — Despite embarrassing finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire, the mainstream media (MSM) today dismissed talk of an early withdrawal from the presidential race, saying political correspondents and pollsters are “in it for the long haul.”

The unnamed MSM spokesperson blinked back tears as she described the difficulty of predicting election outcomes, not to mention the hardship of life on the road and the stress of waiting for the next gaffe or personal attack from a candidate.

“It’s hard,” the MSM source said, “because we passionately want to take the country back to the days when we controlled the message and the distribution channels.”

I couldn't have said it better myself . . .

Sweet.

Sweet.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin

What a great

What a great comment!

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That is Spot On!! I love

That is Spot On!!

I love Scrappleface!!

NH person here with my two cents

Hillary's "win" was only 3% more than Obama - that translates into about only 8,000 more votes. Obama did very well in NH.

Did NH voters not vote for him b/c he's black? There maybe a few that felt that way - but not as much as the pundits or some commenters here would have people believe.

What Clinton had in NH that Obama didn't was deep political roots and support. And there's no real "youth vote" to speak of - the 18-29 demographic in NH is low - we're top heavy with retirees - who did go out and vote this past Tuesday.

It's a bit disheartening that since Obama didn't "win" NH - we up here must then be racist. I'd like to see that card played in SC or MI or any other state if he doesn't win.

For the record - I'm not an Obama or a Hillary supporter. My Republican candidate also did not win - instead finished second - only 5% behind the "winner" McCain.

One final thought - Iowa or NH may not give an accurate reading of how other states will go and vote - but then again, other states do not necessarily reflect how we will vote as well. Someone has to go first - and it's just NH and Iowa. The only way around that is to hold the primary all on the same day - like national elections. 

-

Good points.

Tis a shame that a clear thinker

like yourself has to live with the bone heads, just like the bunch of us here who live in NJ - It's hard to understand that a Garden Stater can be so blue, when long time ago we were called the Red Clay State - who knew?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

2 More Cents from NH

I was actually born in New Hampshire in the 1950s, but lived in Democrat strongholds like Massachusetts (twice), Hawaii (where as a white person I was in the minority) and New York City for most of my first 20 years before returning.

The state has always been called "racist" by the Left, primarily because only 1% of the population is black. However, if you look at other minorities who live here (like Asians) their numbers are equally small. But to my knowledge we've never prohibited folks of any race for moving here to live, it's just that they chose not to do so.

Now that NH is more liberal than in the past, it's hilarious to see the pundits accuse our Democrats of being racist, just because a black guy born in Hawaii didn't win here.

Bess is absolutely right-Hillary! had a better operation in NH than Obama did.

I'm No Bud Collyer, But...

To paraphrase the line made famous by the tv show Truth Or Consequences:

Would the real Ann Coulter please stand up an kick Chrissy Matthews' bigoted butt!

The pollsters had it wrong.  Not the first time, won't be the last.  No big deal until the media spins it in what can only be the worst possible way.

Nice going, MSM, to create political and racial strife where little to none existed.

True to the Liberals they are, the MSM just can't admit to their mistake, instead blaming it on someone else.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

Wrong Show

"To Tell the Truth"

Brain fart! Bud's no Bob

Brain fart!

Bud's no Bob Barker. 

Thanks for the correction, Del.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

OK, strat...

OK, strat...just don't forget to spay or neuter your cats and dogs.

And...Bud was no Bob Barker, but he was...SUPERMAN!

Jer

Superman! Bud's Superman

Superman!

Bud's Superman was before my time.  I'll always think of George Reeves as Superman from movie theater shorts and television.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

Would the real Ann Coulter

Would the real Ann Coulter please stand up

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up

 Please stand up

Please stand up

Very white states have been good to Obama so far

Obama won the Iowa caucus.  Our population is 2% black.  Obama got 36% of the vote in New Hampshire and came in a very close second to Hillary.  New Hampshire is less than 1% black.  The "palefaces" of these states don't seem very racist in light of these facts.

Shut up, Chrissy. 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

I can't stand Tweety but in

I can't stand Tweety but in this case I think he is dead on. A lot of people all over the political spectrum seem to be misunderstanding what the Bradley Effect is about. It does not say that whites won't vote for blacks or that all whites are racist.

It is simply a fact that a percentage of whites will tell a pollster they are supporting a black candidate and then vote against him. This percentage of whites is no doubt overwhelmingly liberal. Liberals feel an almost religious need to be considered non-racist. So when a pollster asks, they are being called out to 'prove' they are non-racist and say "sure I'll vote for him". Then, in secret, they don't.

This is a perfect explanation for what happened in Iowa as well as New Hampshire. In Iowa, it was actually the voting that occurred in public. In fact it was even more in public than the polling. Thus the liberal white had to stand up in front of his/her friends and neighbors and demonstrate their liberality by saying "sure, I'm voting for him". And that was their vote. The effect would be to deliver even more votes to the black candidate by pandering white liberals.

In NH, the opposite was the case. They were asked in public and demonstrated their liberalism by saying they would vote for the black fellow. Then, in private, they didn't.

It really ought not be news that liberals are about as race concious and pandering as any species on the planet. We aren't talking about bigotry per se, or people who are anti-black necessarily, but liberals who want to impress the rest of the world about how multiculturally oriented they are. And in this case, they screwed themselves to the wall for all the world to see.

Makes sense to me.  A rare hat tip to the whining Matthews who generally sets my teeth on edge.

 

Bradley effect

I think there is such a thing as the Bradley effect, but in question is just how much it came into play.

I think the Weeping Madonna had more to do with the last minute change of heart than Bradley. 

I ♣ My Seal

another 2 cents from NH

If asked the question (and I wasn't) "Would you vote for a black man?" I'd answer "Yes, I would."  However, I was not going to vote for Obama, and it has nothing to do with race.  But, I answered their question and answered it honestly.

I don't know how the pollsters worded their questions about race (isn't it racist to even ask? lol) - but I do know this - there are still alot of us yankees who will answer to the letter of the question and not to the spirit.  See my example in the first paragraph. I answered their actual question, but not the intended question.

And when it comes to politics and voting - there's a good amount of "it's none of your business" feeling around here. I am like that as well at times. If I want to tell you, I will. I loathe being asked.

I was recently looking at the town by town results - and in Concord - our primarily white capital, Obama garnered more votes than Hillary (4% more) - although the Rep. side reflected teh state outcome.However, Manchester, the state's largest city with a larger number of minorities went to Clinton (15% more over Obama)

You can see the city by city Dem data here :

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2008/by_county/NH_Page_0108.html?SITE=NHCONELN&SECTION=POLITICS

I wonder if Obama won the state, if the MSM would be calling us a bunch of misogynists?  

I don't know what the black

I don't know what the black population is in N.H.I wonder what Chris would say if we found out that it was the black vote in N.H that put Hillary up front? What always blows me away is that when a black person runs for high office blacks usually won't vote for them because they think that they couldn't win.HELLO!!!! thats when you rally TO VOTE.

Double Standard

If Rush Limbaugh had said "Methinks Paleface speak with forked tongue" the hypocritical outrage would be all over the media.

However, a committed leftist said it, so there will be no outrage.

I certainly agree with that.

I certainly agree with that.

white Jesse Jackson

In the same sense that Clinton
was our first black president, Chris Matthews is our first white Jesse Jackson.

 

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