'Lambs' Stars Slam Celebrity-Obsessed 'Anesthetized' Americans

Photo of Tim Graham.

As part of the publicity push for their left-wing movie Lions for Lambs, Robert Redford, Meryl Streep, and Tom Cruise sat down with Time’s Richard Corliss for an article titled "The Lions Roar." But these lions have a very typical Hollywood Left message. In America, it’s very tough to speak out against war. "Standing up is very, very difficult," said Streep. "We vilify the people that do speak up. You're told you're not supporting the troops." Redford added: "If you're against us, you're not patriotic." They also say the American people don’t care so much about war as they do about celebrity dirt, and according to Streep, we face the tragedy of the unheeded peace-loving left: "we went forward, in the face of all sorts of warnings that are now proven to be the truth. Americans have been anesthetized by good fortune."

It began much like the ABC interview, with Redford claiming the movie represents all points of view so "we wouldn’t be categorized as a lefty film. It’s meant to provoke thought, not provide answers." Corliss acknowledged the obvious: "So it's forthrightly political," spurring this exchange:

STREEP: I think every movie is political. It's political in what it doesn't say, what it chooses to ignore. Every movie we've all made has a message. Maybe we don't choose to think about it that way, but every time I go on a press junket to Europe or Japan or China even, people ask questions that presume you have a feeling as a citizen about the events in your country and beyond.

REDFORD: In America, though, we're usually asked, "What's it like working with Tom? What's it like working with Meryl?"

STREEP: Because we're afraid to speak. Even though we have the freest society, supposedly, I think many of us are afraid to speak up. And we vilify the people that do speak up. You're told you're not supporting the troops.

REDFORD: If you're against us, you're not patriotic.

STREEP: So to me this film is about the difficulty of standing up and saying what you think. Standing up is very, very difficult.

REDFORD: I won't speak for the others, because Tom is not yet 30 ... [Others laugh.]

STREEP: Neither am I. [More laughing.]

REDFORD: ... but as a kid in California, I experienced the Second World War. My uncle died. My cousins died. I remember their deaths. In the '50s, the Joe McCarthy hearings were on TV, and I remember not quite understanding what it was. Nixon was my Senator. Earl Warren was the Governor. To me, they were just boring people in suits. What the film tries to do is to dramatize issues to allow you to see the struggle within these people on an emotional level. And what you see is potentially yet another repeat of what went on in every single war. We seem to have a penchant for letting this happen over and over and over again.

CRUISE: Wars never solved anything--that's my personal belief--but I don't think that that's necessarily what the film is about. It does pose questions. It's not pointing the finger. Because so much was happening after 9/11, it was hard to get to the truth.

STREEP: But I think older people had this dull, thudding pressure. They were feeling, Hmm, maybe this is not what we think. And yet we went forward, in the face of all sorts of warnings that are now proven to be the truth. Americans have been anesthetized by good fortune. I recognize myself in every single one of the compromised people in this piece. This movie is saying, Here we all are.

Ironically, for the dismissing of questions about what it’s like to work with Redford, Tom Cruise quickly volunteered how amazing it was to work with Redford and Streep.

It's one thing for news outlets like ABC to publicize leftist actors like Tim Robbins proclaiming "a chill wind is blowing" against dissenters during the first days of the liberation of Iraq in 2003. But are we really supposed to believe that in 2007, with the left feeling confident that President Bush lies on the ash heap of history, that they still believe there's no space in America for anti-war movies and speeches?

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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"Because we're afraid to

"Because we're afraid to speak. Even though we have the freest society, supposedly, I think many of us are afraid to speak up.",  Streep speaks, with no sense of ironyon national television. Damn, she's breathtakingly stupid - and absurd. 

Obviously she didn't mean

Obviously she didn't mean her, and she didn't mean right now.

And that leaves?

And that leaves?

Maybe she meant the time

Maybe she meant the time that Rosie was afraid to say that 9/11 was an inside job.

If this is a nation of people where the wingnuts are afraid to speak up, I'd hate to be here once they lose that fear.

By the way, Robert Redford, if you're against your country, that DOES make you unpatriotic, especially when your outrage is based on fairy tales. I mean, you guys sure get away with saying a lot of things considering we live in a country where(courtesy of another blog) almost every right we have has been taken away from us.

Its SO difficult to speak out...

You have to first call al limo, then wait...when it arrives you discover the bottled water isnt cold enough....whew, its so difficult to speak out in America.

Now, If I were in Cuba...it would be SO much easier.

Give me a break! Its difficult being CONSERVATIVE. Just go to a typical bar or cocktail party and mention you are conservative. The room goes silent then all the liberals storm over and try out their latest whiney bumper sticker lines on you. Trust me...it happens to me often. Anyone one else experience this?

Doug 8^)

Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!

LOL. It really is difficult

LOL. It really is difficult for them. It's funny that these actors who like to play "classy" and "intelligent" roles on screen, reveal themselves as being dumb as stumps, in interviews, off screen - and that's the reason why Streep should be afraid of speaking...

Funny you should say that, Chris

Have you ever seen Sam Waterston on Jeopardy?  He seems dumber than a box of rocks, yet he portrays such an "intellect" on Law & Order.

I loved this comment by Tom Cruise, too:

CRUISE: Wars never solved anything--that's my personal belief-- 

Um, Tom, how would have solved Germany in WWI & WWII, then, bright guy?

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Why do they always interview

Why do they always interview the actors about these movies? They should interview the writers, if they want to know about the premise of the movie. It would be like at the unveiling of a painting, if they interviewed the tubes of paint, instead of the artist... 

Well, you know, Chris

The actors are imbued with such great feeeeelings and all that.

Why bother with what the creator of the piece meant?  Besides, Hollywood usually changes the basic premise anyway.  Think Prince of Tides.  A wonderfully well written book, totally destroyed by another liberal actress (and she directed that bloody fiasco too). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Most people would rather

Most people would rather listen to the star of the movie than an unknown writer.

Exactly

If war never solved anything does that mean the American Revolution should not have taken place?

Meryl Streep went to Yale,

Meryl Streep went to Yale, fyi.

So did Bush, for yours.

So did Bush, for yours.

I know that. I never said

I know that. I never said Bush was dumb, and I don't think Streep is, either.

That's good to know.

That's good to know.

drama queen

With a degree in drama.  Thanks Bal, that does explain a lot.

You can't be a moron and get

You can't be a moron and get into Yale School of Drama, or graduate from Vassar.

Okay Bal

If that's true, then how come liberals think someone can graduate from Yale AND Harvard, and be an idiot AND an incompetent moron? (George Bush). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Because they think he only

Because they think he only got in because of his dad for one, and because he's a horrible public speaker for two.

As I've said, I don't think he's stupid. Not sure he's a great president, but I don't think he's stupid. 

Fair Enough

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

speak up

GB is a good pres but as above poster had said when he gets up to speak he sounds like an idiot

I've known a few educated

I've known a few educated people who were still dumb.

Bad, Chris

Go to your room.  It's not nice to talk about the liberal brother like that.  :) 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

What Hillary said.

God another 12 months of Hillary fixation. For those who have ever studied politics 101 it means she's largely going to set the terms of the debate for the campaign. Not that she hasn't already. When the dwarfs depart and it's her versue whoever you'll see what I mean.

Um, Otto

What did that have to do with Chris' liberal bro? 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Wow. Is this guy applying

Wow.

Is this guy applying for LibertyOrDeath's job as most off-topic poster?

You can have all the degrees in the world

But still have the common sense God gave a rock.I think the Celebs believe their own rhetoric.Redford especially.I remember years ago him preaching about the environment.Didnt stop him from building a ski resort.He must of needed it to park all those cars he owned.

}}---> Spot the dummy

We pay money to watch these actors hit the mark provided by a director, speak the lines provided by an author, and nuance their visages at the coaching of a producer.

And if this recipe is followed closely, and the audience loves it, the actor is automatically imbued with the power to see the "big picture" and have at his/her disposal the unique and exclusive answer to each of them.

I'm impressed.

I find it much easier in social situations...

...to avoid talking politics in the first place. If someone asks me point blank what I think of so-and-so and (fill in the blank) I'll tell them as honestly but in as fast and quick a manner as I can before I grab the wheel of the conversation and turn it off another road. I hate arguing this stuff with liberals and the politically ignorant (you can argue that they are the same)...its such a waste of my time.

"The room goes silent then

"The room goes silent then all the liberals storm over and try out their
latest whiney bumper sticker lines on you. Trust me...it happens to me
often. Anyone one else experience this?"

Imagine reading this website at work at production company in hollywood. I am a Piriah. I have to put up with the silliest and most ignorant comments and discussions.

One of the best examples of thier ignorance was before the Dims won the house my boss in a room full of people said "I will vote for whoever Bill Clinton is for" I looked at her and said "do you really want Nancy Pelosi speaker of the house?" And she said "who's that?"

jezebelle

Wow.  Your work life must be rather, um, challenging.

I bet you need duct tape on a daily basis to keep your head from exploding. 

Just know, that those of us on the right side of the force are with you.

Keep smiling at the silly libs....it's about all you can do.   Trying to engage them (as my continued arguments with Leon have demonstrated) is pointless. 

Oh...here's a tip, call them Oblio (Harry Nilsen years ago....Oblio & the Pointless Forest).

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

thanks blonde, It is cold

thanks blonde,

It is cold in sunny california for a conservative.

I was having a bad day today and one of the guys in the office made some off handed comment like "move to canada". I said "what, why?" I was so confused. he said "move to canada this government is awful" I said "I love this government, you'll be hard pressed to find anything better" He was a bit speechless.

They talk as if everyone believes what they do.

Duct tape in hand.

jezebelle

I can hardly imagine what it must be like for you as a conservative....not only in California....but in la la Hollywood land as well.

A hint for you...there's a nice little town just south of me, also called Hollywood.  Where the water is really nice and warm, and where there's somewhat of an emergent film industry.   It's called Florida.

We have all of the N.E. liberals here, though, it's enough to make one choke, particularly the hanging chads & such.

Maybe you can convince your co-worker to move to Canada (or better yet, France) if he hates it so much there. 

Well, just keep it up for our side, we're here when you need a bit of support.  Share your sad lib tales of woe....think of NB as the liberal antidote.

Regards.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Wow

Once again...most of the liberals think this government is so bad but they won't move to Canada or any other place. I wonder why.

 

Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns

jeze... I am ROFL with

jeze...

I am ROFL with your last question and her answer....

Yes..it happens country wide evidently....

Frustrating is a nice way to put the ill-informed critters we have to put up with daily and worse than that knowing they vote.

Leftist lemmings all...

again, thanks Blonde, It is

again, thanks Blonde,

It is nice having you guys on here. 

 I'm young and newly consevative..thanks in a large part to all of you.

My main problem is that I'm not savvy enough or educated enough (but getting there with help from you guys) to get into debates with people.  When I do they throw things at me that I'm not knowledgable enough counter on it. It does get frustrating.  But, I believe what I believe and will make no apologies for it.

The more I look around this town I've called home for 12 yrs the more I want to go back home where the normal real people are.

this is a great website and i like having the libs on here countering some opinions. It only teaches me and strengthens mine.

cheers

Jez

We "normal" people are always here.

So, just find your way here to have some normalcy.  You, my friend, are one of us...so no worries.

Now, you are "savvy enough" to be here, yes?   Hollywood must be kind of devastating.

If, you are a true "conservative"....you'll just soldier on. 

So, welcome to the land of conservatism.  We kind of dig it here.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

When I do they throw things

When I do they throw things at me that I'm not knowledgable enough counter on it. It does get frustrating.

 

Most of what they throw (say) is factless and usually produced out of whole cloth.

I have an analogy:

Liberals (especially elitists) tend to be gumball machines ... just allowing their hallow thoughts to drop down from their bubble heads and roll off their tongues ... Upon chewing, the flavor is soon gone.

Im sure that they will be

Im sure that they will be taken to Gitmo really soon for their blather, well perhaps they should be taken there.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

I am just curious...why is

I am just curious...why is there an ad for this movie on NB? (on the right of the screen)

Because...

Its VERY DIFFICULT to speak up. So difficult, even the sites dedicated to outting media bias are preventing ads for liberal movies speaking up about the war.

See how difficult it is?

Doug 8^)

Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!

Fair and balanced

...why is there an ad for this movie on NB?

To be fair. T shirt girl aptly provides the balanced part.

Point of order

T-shirt girl is only balanced right-to-left; in any other dimension she's a bit ... um ... asymmetric.

Oh Streep...just shuddup and

Oh Streep...just shuddup and go eat an apple or two.

BT, LOL. And that's when

BT,

LOL. And that's when I started not liking her. Speaking against Alar as just a "mother", my fanny...

Chris... That's when I

Chris...

That's when I started not liking her too...plus paying a little attention to politics now and then while raising a young one myself.

They should just shut the heck up to put it nicely...I am so sick of th leftists using them in hearings as if they are be all end all and even know what the heck they are talking about. 

Tom Screws----

Tom Screws----"Wars never solved anything".. How freakin profound--most of these lefty jerks are long on money,m but short on brains. OK, OK let's undo the Civil War, WWI, WW2 etc. what the hell--

 

misterb... Ungrateful

misterb...

Ungrateful spoiled brain-dead leftist idiots.

All of them.

Redford added: "If you're

Redford added: "If you're against us, you're not patriotic."

Yep - that's pretty much how I see it, especially if you're from Hollywood.

CRUISE: Wars never solved anything

It settled Germany and Japan's hash.

 

Okay, I'm confused ...

Do I use:  "These people only talk to hear themselves speak ..."

Or:  "Do these people hear themselves when they open their mouths and speak ..."

Afraid to speak, or afraid of the answer?

"Even though we have the freest society, supposedly, I think many of us are afraid to speak up". That's because we have a society that will challange your false claims; demand to see proof of your accusations; and demands to see the whole picture rather than your slanted, narrow view of world.

It's like when Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Albright, and all the rest of the loons told us how dangerous Sadam was, and then when Bush was elected, how they never said those things. When you say that, Redford, you should be afraid of the backlash from people who have memories.

Or when all objective analysis, including from liberal newspaper outlets, have said that Bush actually had the most votes in Florida -- when Steep or anyone else says "Bush stole the election", yeah -- you should be afraid of us being able to cite the analysis.

So, don't tell us you're afraid to speak up. You're actually afraid of the overwhelming counter-evidence we are able to produce to show you and the world exactly how wrong you are.

Point. Set. Match.

___________________________________ 

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Wars

..........never solved anything?...........HUH???  So, in Mr. Cruise's giant mind, all of the wars and battles this great nation of ours have fought and won, have all been in vain, just so he has the freedom to speak his mind, without reprecussion, nor political punishment, imprisonment, exile, or even death. This guy is a real scholar..................

It's A great Strategy for leftist

Considering that no one in the Media is EVER going to ask them a tough question, unless it's asking Tom Cruise about Post-Partum despression and Scientology, these people realize they can create any fantasy they want.

They know that the truly courageous people are the Christians willing to risk death in Muslim Countries, India and China to spread the gospel; or Conservatives who dare to voice their opens in the open market-place of ideas.

They also know that the media in general is a daily in-kind contribution to Democrats and their canidates.

However, in order to confuse those who don't follow this stuff as closely as we do - after-all the base of the Democrat party is the least intelligent, least productive part of socienty - Liberals must continually insiste there is Corporate Control of Media in order to justify the claim of Conservative Media bias.

Here we have the left insisting that THEY are ones in danger, knowing they if they repeat it often enough and without anyone daring to question them or push back on the premise, people will be fooled.

If we criticize this, then it's oppression.

  • STREEP: Because we're afraid to speak. Even though we have the freest society, supposedly, I think many of us are afraid to speak up
  • Give me a break, face it dingbat from Yale, the only thing you are afraid of is public opinion. Between the 3 of you, you couldnt solve a jigsaw puzzle,
  • REDFORD: To me, they were just boring people in suits.

Now you are the boring one in a suit.

"Afraid to speak?"

 The only fear these people have, as far as speaking goes, is they'll put their foot in their mouth and tick off movie goers and lose some money.  Hollyweird has been speaking up since their boy, Al Gore, lost in 2000.  They've done everything in their power to diminish George Bush's presidency and America's stature in the world. (and I'll stand by that since these ignorant people don't realize just how responsible they are for the way people look at us, in other countries). 

A friend of mine used to put a message, at the bottom of her e-mails, that said "With freedom comes responsibility."  It's something these Liberals and Democrats should learn.

Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.

Nice

Well, isn't it nice that my son and all the others who have joined to fight for their country are defending and dying for redford, streep, and cruise. Awh...they can't speak out and streep says " Standing up is very, very difficult." Oh, the challenges and difficulty of speaking to the press. How do they do it?

Ego of news media vs Hollywood media

STREEP: I think ..., but every time I go on a press junket to Europe or Japan or China even, people ask questions that presume you have a feeling as a citizen about the events in your country and beyond.   

'Reporter' - Your saying that you don't have feelings about the great nation where you live and get paid (can't say earn)?  You only act like you do, presume you have feelings in your words?

REDFORD: In America, though, we're usually asked, "What's it like working with Tom? What's it like working with Meryl?"

'Reporter' - If you proved you could handle tough questions without sounding like a hyper-active 16 year old on huffpo then maybe you would be asked real questions.  Remember the news media not the Hollywood media are the ones with the 'brains'.

STREEP: Because we're afraid to speak. Even though we have the freest society, supposedly, I think many of us are afraid to speak up....

'Reporter' - If you are so afraid then why is it always so easy to get most "actors" in front of camera pretending they have an intelligent statement to make.

CRUISE: Wars never solved anything-....

'Reporter' - Any one with any real knowledge of history knows that in the case of the United States that war has been the failure of diplomacy to reason with those who are against the best intrest of the US and generally the well being of the citizens of the world.  War is an unfortunate part of negotiations to get stubborn and ruthless people to the negotiating table with an mind open to the ideas of doing what is right to improve the living conditions for each and every person on Earth.  But you wouldn't know that because you live in a fantasy world where money is plentiful and therefore has little value and people kiss you butt to the point you have no clue.

Thanks for the interview.

Redford = Pure Idiocy

Redford was spouting basically the same stuff during the minute and a half I caught Larry King last night. He talked about how people sacrificed on the war front for WWII, but aren't doing it today, as if this lack of sacrifice (which in itself is a dumb thing to suggest) was somehow a point of failure for the War on Terror.

I don't usually shout at the TV, but his logic was pure idiocy and I was quick to point it out. It didn't take my wife long to realize it was best to switch over to the Discovery channel. 

That we can battle terrorism without rationing and extreme disruption of normal life is impressive. But by all means, Mr. Redford, please sacrifice as much as you see fit. The soldiers will appreciate it.

**My Daughter at the WWII Memorial

Streep:  "Americans have

Streep:  "Americans have been anesthetized by good fortune."

I couldn't agree more with this sentence, but there is an critical and powerful difference in how Streep/Redford/Cruise and I define the issue.  Streep et al believe people are comfortably numb and/or afraid to speak out against war since they are not "forced" to put themselves in harm's way (ie the absence of a military draft).  My position is that people of the West have forgotten or have never experienced and therefore do not know what it is like to struggle to survive against the environment, pests, wildlife and fellow human beings that want what you have.  The West's complacency is from being too comfortable in our illusionary secure though, well-fed and consumer good bloated society.  We have sublimated the reality that there are bad people out there that want to do bad things to us.  It amazes me that Streep and her ilk ignore the fact that the bad people will not discrimate her type from my type.  She is fodder as well.

To both of us, the populace's inertia is the cause for war.  Streep laments that if people protested or refused assisting in war, or elected other leaders, then the current war(s) would not have occurred.  Her view appears to be that war would not have been an option if only the people had demanded "peace" and negotiation.  In my view, the war may not have been necessary if previous leaders had done the difficult but required actions to stop the then nascent terrorist thugs before their ability to strike deeper and harder into the West formed.  Oh, well.  Armchair quarterbacking is easy.

And Streep's current view probably is that the US can disengage from the war on Islamofascists, utilizing (Chamberlain-like) diplomacy while prostrating ourselves beneath the aggreived Brotherhood of Muslims fascists in full-on appeasement mode. 

Obviously not a student of history, Streep forgets the historical effectiveness of diplomacy with tyrants throughout the Earth's history.  Carrots and sticks work up to a point.  North Korea may be a diplomatic success story currently (no thanks to the diplomacy of Jimmy Carter), though only because of the participation of their major benefactor China.  Unfortunately these successful diplomatic events are few on the international stage.  Does Streep think the massive killing in Africa will go away diplomatically?  This stain on humankind will only stop when the tyrants have no one else to kill, they die naturally, die at the hands of the oppressed or a subordinate dictator wannabe, or the West stops them. 

Talk is cheap.  Streep, Redford and Cruise prove the adage.  What examples of the hubris of the Left. 

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

Here's what's wrong in a nutshell...with this entire culture.

We'd rather, as someone already said, listen to what actors have to say, rather than "some unknown writer".

There it is. That's what's wrong with our entire civilization.

I'd like to pose a question: who is more important or worthy of note, Shakespeare (some unknown writer at the time) or his long-forgotten actors? Now guess who had more "celebrity" at the time.

See what I mean?

}}---> Dems and actors

Imagine the adulation the Dems would have for John Wilkes Booth today.