PBS omnipresence Bill Moyers devoted his entire hour-long Bill Moyers Journal on Friday night to the need to impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney. The stacked hour had two guests, and both were aggressively pro-impeachment: John Nichols of The Nation magazine, author of the book "The Genius of Impeachment," and lawyer Bruce Fein, who Moyers labeled a "conservative," but he compared Bush to King George III, to Adolf Hitler, to the communist autocrats of the Gulag, and to, well, FDR, in suggesting the post 9-11 era could see a mistake like our interning of Japanese Americans. In this conversation, Moyers sometimes played the skeptic, but the overall tenor of the hour was not only anti-Bush, but anti-Speaker Pelosi for being so timid: "Why doesn't Nancy Pelosi see it her duty to take on at least the impeachment hearings that you say would educate the public?"
It’s really something when PBS is so far to the left it’s bashing both parties for not being radical enough, but this is a routine pose for Moyers, where he somehow thinks he’s "objective" when he sounds roughly in sync with the Dennis Kucinch for President campaign. Pelosi came in for whacks several times, first in this early exchange:
BILL MOYERS: It seems to me the country is ahead of Congress on this. How do you explain all this talk about impeachment today out across the country?
JOHN NICHOLS: People don't want to let this go. They do not accept Nancy Pelosi's argument that impeachment is, quote/unquote, off the table. Because I guess maybe they're glad she didn't take some other part of the Constitution off the table like freedom of speech.
Clearly, these men are unhappy Pelosi ever vowed not to bring impeachment as a campaign pledge (to show that the Democrats wouldn’t be as far-left as Moyers), and they want that pledge broken, and now. Frustration with Pelosi boiled over again later, and Moyers insisted that Bruce Fein wasn’t the only "conservative" who thought Bush and Cheney were out of control:
JOHN NICHOLS: The hearings are important. There's no question at that. And we should be at that stage. Remember, Thomas Jefferson and others, the founders, suggested that impeachment was an organic process. That information would come out. The people would be horrified. They would tell their representatives in Congress, "You must act upon this." Well, the interesting thing is we are well down the track in the organic process. The people are saying it's time. We need some accountability.
BILL MOYERS: But Nancy Pelosi doesn't agree.
JOHN NICHOLS: Nancy Pelosi is wrong. Nancy Pelosi is disregarding her oath of office. She should change course now. And more importantly, members of her caucus and responsible Republicans should step up. It is not enough--
BILL MOYERS: Well, Bruce is not the only conservative--
JOHN NICHOLS: --and others are. But--
BILL MOYERS: And Bob Barr, who's been here.
BRUCE FEIN: David Keene.
JOHN NICHOLS: But they do so, by and large, in a cautious way. They say, "Well, the president's done too much." Let's start to use the "i" word. Impeach is a useful word. It is a necessary word. The founders in the Constitution made no mention of corporation or political parties or conventions or primaries or caucuses. But they made six separate references to impeachment. They wanted us to know this word, and they wanted us to use it.
BILL MOYERS: You're-- does this process have to go all the way to the end? Do Bush and Cheney have to be impeached before it serves the public?
JOHN NICHOLS: I think that what Bush and Cheney have done makes a very good case that the public and the future would be well served if it did go all the way to the end.
And then, soon afterward, Moyers asks why Pelosi doesn’t violate her pledge, and Fein mysteriously suggests impeaching Bush and Cheney should look like "statesmanship," not partisanship:
BILL MOYERS: I have to interrupt you and say, look, you guys don't live in la-la land. Both of you are in-- in and around power all the time. Why doesn't Nancy Pelosi see it her duty to take on at least the impeachment hearings that you say would educate the public about the states that you think--
BRUCE FEIN: Because I think that politics has become debased so that it's a matter of one party against another and jockeying and maneuvering. There is no longer any statesmanship. I go back to the real vulnerability and weakness of Congress, that they don't have anybody who can, as a chairman or even asking a question like John or me say, "Mr. Attorney General, you answer that question. This is the United States of America. Transparency is the rule here. We don't have secret government. That's what Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about in the Gulag. That's not the United States of America. We pay your salary. We have a right to know 'cause it's our duty to decide whether what you're doing is legal and wise, not yours. Answer that question or you're held in contempt right now." And that's-- and all you need is that tone of voice. But what happens up there? "Well, would you please answer?" Well, are you sure? When-- could you get John Ashcroft? I mean, it's just staggering.
JOHN NICHOLS: "...their first step must be something that is very hard in these days of extreme partisanship and these days in money and politics and a media that doesn't cover politics very well. Their first step has to be to say, "I cherish my country more than my party and more than the next election." And so-- probably. We're talking about a Democrat.
BILL MOYERS: --to take the lead?
JOHN NICHOLS: And that Democrat's first responsibility is to go to Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, the person who decides what committee assignments they may have and even how nice an office they may get, and say, "You know, Nancy, I respect you. I respect you greatly, Mrs. Speaker. But the country's more important. So you can-- you can get mad at me. You can, you know, push back internally and whatever. But I'm going to the American people and I'm going to talk to them like Bruce Fein just did. Now, my sense is the response to the American people and, frankly, the response of a lot of other members of Congress would be to stand up and applaud. But you have to have that initial courage to do so.
In case anyone felt that Moyers was really the moderate in this drama, and not just playing the moderate, his show-ending commentary suggested it was intolerable that "an imperial executive" was still having its way in Iraq, and insisted that it should be the role of taxpayer-funded PBS to show all of the war debates live on its affiliates:
President Bush still was insisting Congress should stay out of the war. he and Vice President Cheney are holding out for better news from Iraq in September. But when September comes, you can count on more appeals for delay or excuses. that's the formula for perpetual war -- what our founders most feared, because it would turn our Constituion on its head, throwing off the checks and balances so crucial to liberty, and leaving all power in an imperial executive. Already the war in Iraq is in its 5th year, costing $10 billion a month, with the casualties mounting. All week a line from the poet Marvin Bell floated through my mind:
"What / shall we do, we who are at war but are asked / to pretend we are not?"
What shall we do? Impeachment hearings are one way to go, as you heard Fein and Nichols say. In the meantime, those of us in public television have an obligation to make sure viewers like you stay in the loop. I wish we had carried the congressional debate this week in full -- all of it -- in prime time. When we broadcast teach-ins on the Vietnam war, and the Watergate hearings during the trial of Richard Nixon, it was a real public service -- the reason PBS was created. We should keep Iraq in prime time every week -- the fighting and dying, the suffering, the debate, the politics -- the extraordinary costs. It's months until September. This war is killing us now, body and soul.
That's it for the journal. I'm Bill Moyers.
So just call PBS the Leftist 'Teach-In' Channel. So where was Moyers when Clinton was impeached in 1998? He was absent for most of 1998 due to an illness-related break, but on October 6, the day after Congress took up impeachment, he marked his return to PBS with a 'Frontline' documentary attacking both parties from his far-left perch for not passing a leftist campaign-finance bill. He was not a voice for impeachment, and certainly not a voice for devoting more PBS air time to the impeachment debate.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center















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But hey, PBS isn't biased;
July 15, 2007 - 07:38 ET by motherbeltBut hey, PBS isn't biased; it's right-down-the-middle honest journalism. I'm sure Moyers' next show will be a full hour with someone who opposes the idea of impeachment.
PBS
July 15, 2007 - 10:52 ET by PAPA LPBS is a fraud, it is far left wing loved by the Dems and paid for by the tax payers. It is not unlike the BBC also left wing anti American and anti British. It is far past time for the PBS to stop recieving funds from the Tax payers wallet. The airways belong to the people and should be a free market. Let the demands of the people determine what the content is.
impeachment
July 15, 2007 - 07:40 ET by the mad poleThe lefties in the editorials of our local "Florida Today", are really going off the deep end too. The "surge" MUST be working!
Moyers
July 15, 2007 - 08:03 ET by Mulligan22I watched part of this thing and Moyers was just giddy while this was being discussed. Two left wing guests talking to a left wing host....Fairness Doctrine anyone? PBS is a waste of taxpayer dollars.
What happened to Bruce Fein?!
July 15, 2007 - 08:25 ET by NewsbusterbrownWhat happened to Bruce Fein?! I never would have thought he was say the things he said for Moyers from his previous statements.
Fein has been anti-Bush WH al
July 16, 2007 - 01:40 ET by GalvanicFein has been anti-Bush WH almost since 9/11. I don't know why folks think he's conservative.
"...you guys don't live
July 15, 2007 - 08:37 ET by ThisnThat"...you guys don't live in la-la land". Why would Moyers be compelled to make this statement? I think he said this to try to convey some kind of credibility to his guests. Why? Is it because he knows that this kind of talk is typically/100% the province of the looney left? Is it because he knows his guests are typically/100% the looney left? And that in this one instance he has to dispell that notion, and make sure everyone realizes that this conversation is being broadcast by <gasp, finally> responsible adults (not that they are, but I'm saying Moyers has to build up his house of cards very carefully here)?
I also think that Moyers and others know that impeachment proceedings will never be initiated, because there is nothing there. So, all this talk is the next best thing. The Left's playbook is: keep at it. Tell the lie often enough, by enough different and so-called "responsible" people, and soon it is good as the truth. So, at the end of 2 years, it will be as though impeachment has actually happened, and that everyone will believe it.
In addition, I predict that impeachment will make its way into history books very soon. The books will talk about how some (many? -- in their view) people thought President Bush was a criminal, and impeachment was seriously discussed throughout his final term. People will read those history books; professors will recount their personal views; and Presto -- impeachment was as good as done.
The Left doesn't let facts get in the way -- they re-package the lies until they convince enough people to push the facts aside -- or until people become too weary to counter the lies over and over anymore.
The books will talk about h
July 15, 2007 - 09:07 ET by motherbeltThe books will talk about how some (many? -- in their view) people
thought President Bush was a criminal, and impeachment was seriously
discussed throughout his final term...ThisnThat
TnT, you hit the nail on the head. Just like the "Bush stole the 2000 election" canard, this one will eventually become "common knowledge." It will seem that the entire country wanted Bush impeached.
Document the Anti-American PBS Left
July 15, 2007 - 08:46 ET by CTOne can be sure not many beyond the Moonbats and Daily Kos kiddies saw this Leftist crap. The anti-American propaganda of Bill Moyers PBS should be excerpted and edited into a public service commercial to be played at every future PBS fundraiser. It should be run in every incumbent Democrat's district when the Unfairness Doctrine is brought up.
Of course the left wants Bush
July 15, 2007 - 09:17 ET by NoMoreClintonsOf course the left wants Bush and Cheney impeached because guess who would become president - the first woman president and it ain't the pantsuit.
Look at me! I'm a sixties l
July 15, 2007 - 09:25 ET by Andrew H.Look at me! I'm a sixties liberal full of great ideas! Look at me! I'm Bill Moyers, full of it, full of myself and full up to here with freedom in this so-called democracy! The American public must listen to me! There is no war that we should be fighting! It is fantasy. Oh, listen to me, you stupid people!
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Moyers' Journal
July 15, 2007 - 17:14 ET by CaptDHello to NewsBusters! I've been lurking for some time now - read NB daily, just generally don't have time to contribute. This is such a well spoken group that I can't add much anyway. BUT, after reading some of the transcript from Moyers' diatribe I couldn't just sit here any longer. And, rather than adding to many thoughtful comments here, I went to Moyers' web page and sent this reply to him:
Dear Bill:
If you haven't already done so, I
hope you seek professional help in the near future. If counseling and therapy
don't help, there are some excellent prescription drugs on the market these
days.
You are very fortunate to have a
(taxpayer supported) benefactor, in PBS, who will allow you to continue
role-playing as a journalist. This is probably the best thing for someone in
your condition, unable to function in a true market place, where ratings really
matter.
However, it's obvious that your
symptoms now go well beyond BDS after watching your performance this week. If
your condition were not so serious, I would find it somewhat humorous that you
have sunk so deep into the far left spectrum of reality that you are now
criticizing the leader of your own party, Nancy Pelosi. But it's not funny.
It's truly sad. And it must be terribly embarrassing to see yourself displayed
on national television week after week. Granted, your show is not watched by many
people who care, but it is broadcast nationally.
So Bill, please get some help. We
don't want you hurting others, and we certainly don't want you hurting
yourself.
Sincerely,
D Sullivan, CAPT, Retired, USNR
It might sometimes be of use to let the myrmidons at PBS know that everyone does not agree with their point of view. I have no problem with a difference of opinion being presented, but the arrogance of folks like Moyers is just over the top. The worst part of it is that I'm paying for this doq squeeze, like it or not.
Thanks for letting me rant.
CaptD,Thank you for me anyway
July 15, 2007 - 17:17 ET by bigtimerCaptD,
Thank you for me anyway...
You said it all sir.
Glad you are here too.
rant on Captn' rant onand wel
July 15, 2007 - 17:19 ET by botgrant on Captn' rant on
and welcome
Unfortunately, CaptD, I think
July 15, 2007 - 17:55 ET by ThisnThatUnfortunately, CaptD, I think your message -- and it is an eloquent and humorous one -- will backfire. Moyers is going to take it, run into his producer's office, and exclaim: "See?, see! I told you I have an audience. Now, extend my contract like you promised."
I'm afraid all of us at NB are now going to have to accuse you of keeping this monster on the air.
Way to go.... :-)
Great letter CaptD, nothing b
July 15, 2007 - 20:16 ET by general companyGreat letter CaptD, nothing better then sugar with the caster oil. Look forward to hearing more from you.
Liberals and Impeachment
July 15, 2007 - 09:48 ET by pbthinkerYou have to love it, when Liberals talk among themselves, they don't have to make sense they just have to say things, anything, and the amen chorus will come out.
Why all the talk about BUsh and Cheney? They want Bush, because he stole the 2000 election, but then they get Cheney so it has to be a two fer. The Democrats know the possibility of getting a two fer are slim to none.
The next problem, for the impeachment nuts is, it's easy to say Bush lied and people died, not quite so easy to prove. It's easy to say Bush stole the 2000 election, but there is little validity to that and, the case could be easily made that it was actually Al Gore who attempted to steal the 2000 election.
So, as is typical with Democrats, they would rather have the issue than a solution, which is why Pelosi can't do impeachment, the party would look absolutely foolish. So, Pelosi knows this and the, politically astute Moyers, does not.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
The Democrats in power won'
July 15, 2007 - 10:43 ET by sarcasmoThe Democrats in power won't be stupid enough to try impeachment IMO, as it's an incredibly poor strategy politically, regardless of the facts, this-late in the game.
JMR
Must LOVE abuse
July 15, 2007 - 14:09 ET by Com_n_senseI have come to the conclusion that the remaining 29% of the people so dumb as to support bush must love the abuse. I mean you're getting it from the left and from bush's own failed policies.
After nearly 6 years of war, increased debt, soring prices, (gas was $1.24 when bush took office) where bush allowed two terrorist attacks on the country where the perpetrators are still free, where bush totally blow the backing we had after said attacks and made us the most hated country on Earth, after AbuGraib, Haditha, Downing Street Memos, Walter Reed, Edmonds, Tillman, Lynch, Plame, O'Neill, Shavio, Clark, Gannon/Gurkert, Foley, after even Generals and Powell have come out and exposed this administration as being the most secretive administration, the most wasteful, the most incompetent (Katrina) the most corrupt, arrogant, war-mongering, war-profiteering gang of crooks to ever take power, you 29% STILL can't see a reason to remove these pricks from office!
wow ... I guess it's true, you CAN fool some of the people ALL the time.
"wow ... I guess it's true, y
July 15, 2007 - 18:14 ET by ckc1227"wow ... I guess it's true, you CAN fool some of the people ALL the time."
And some people, like yourself, are just plain fools.... all the time. I suspect if you and common sense ever met in a dark alley, it wouldn't be pretty.
Troll alert -- this com post
July 15, 2007 - 18:25 ET by ThisnThatTroll alert -- this com post is identical, all 173 words, to his post on the 15 July Open Thread. Best to ignore. There is absolutely no value to any response you might offer -- reactions to reasonable comments are: loud shouting, occassional swearing, and general abuse. Best to simply move on. </Troll Alert>
}}----> TnT
July 15, 2007 - 18:29 ET by Cool ArrowSomebody loaded MS Notebook on his computer and he's learned to cut and paste DKos talking points.
Back to the mothership with him.
TnT -- and we woudn't mind, b
July 15, 2007 - 20:27 ET by Jack BauerTnT -- and we woudn't mind, but it wasn't that interesting first time around.
He's not a real person. He's a Trotbot. An automated poster monkey
I have come to the conclusion
July 15, 2007 - 20:22 ET by general companyI have come to the conclusion
You should had stopped right their, if you hurry you might be able to catch the turnip truck at the light, dont think just go.