Keith Ellison: Misrepresenting the Pledge of Allegiance
By Rusty Weiss | June 28, 2011 | 19:57
Over the course of the last few months, Rep. Keith Ellison, one of two Muslim members of Congress, has been cherry-picking the Pledge of Allegiance in an attempt to portray prominent Republicans as bigoted islamophobes.
Earlier this year, Ellison responded to the Peter King hearings on the radicalization of American Muslims by saying that conservatives believe in liberty, but are against the “and justice for all.” In an appearance on MSNBC two weeks ago, he advised Herman Cain to “review that Pledge of Allegiance”, particularly the part proclaiming “liberty and justice for all.” And more recently, Ellison gave an interview to C-SPAN, in which he ran off a list of supposed differences between himself and Michele Bachmann. That list included a declaration that he, and apparently only he, “believe(s) in liberty and justice for all.”
One line however, does not an entire pledge make.
We know why Ellison is invoking this specific phrase from the pledge – liberty and justice for all. It is an attempt to push the progressive agenda of placating radical Muslims. But it is also important to counter such slander, by examining the motivations behind those that Ellison hopes to marginalize as islamophobic.
Why is Peter King holding hearings on radical Islam? Why is Herman Cain opposed to appointing Muslims to his administration without a declaration of loyalty? Why is Michele Bachmann so vociferous in her desire to deal with the threat of radical Islam?
The answer, it turns out, lies in the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America…
Immediately we have a contradiction of morals. Radical Muslims have repeatedly pledged allegiance solely to the Quran. A prime example of this is the case of Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical who opened fire on the army base at Fort Hood, cutting short 14 innocent lives. An investigative report from CNN shortly after the shooting showed that multiple former classmates of Hasan had once asked if his allegiance lied with Sharia law, or with the United States. “Sharia law,” was his answer.
… and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible…
A video was recently released featuring a pledge of allegiance from the Muslim Student Association (MSA). It includes such statements as, “Jihad is my spirit”, “I will die to establish Islam”, and an echoing of the mission statement of the Muslim Brotherhood – “dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” This is the same MSA that has walked the jihad walk, churning out leaders who have been charged and convicted in terror plots, even earning the distinction as one of the key “radicalization incubators” for homegrown terrorists, by the New York City Police Department. This is yet another demonstration of radicals pledging allegiance to their own deadly cause, but more so, it reveals that they do not represent the views of the republic. They do not stand with their fellow Americans as one nation under God. Rather, they divide, destroy, and are willing to wage jihad in the name of God.
… with liberty and justice for all.
‘Justice for all’ is a tragic misnomer for radical Muslims who would kill in the name of their religion. ‘Justice for Allah’ might be more apropos. Quite simply, there was no justice for the 14 victims of the Fort Hood massacre. There would have been no justice had Faisal Shahzad successfully killed hundreds of people with a car bomb parked in Times Square last year. Or, had Najibullah Zazi carried out a subway bombing plot in New York City. Or potential victims of such radicals as ‘Jihad Jane’, Muslim converts who plotted to attack synagogues in the Bronx and shoot down planes in Newburgh, as well as the nefarious plot by the Fort Dix Six.
Nowhere however, is the phrase ‘justice for all’ less applicable than in the case of Rep. Ellison himself. One need only look as far as his own past to find hatred and intolerance for others.
Scott Johnson of the Powerline Blog has extensively chronicled the controversial past of Ellison.
In 1997, Joanne Jackson of the Minnesota Initiative Against Racism (MIAR) was alleged to have stated that, “Jews are among the most racist white people I know.” Rather than condemning such incendiary comments, Ellison defended her, saying, “We stand by the truth contained in the remarks attributed to (Ms. Jackson), and by her right to express her views without sanction.” Not surprising from a man who has penned columns in support of the uber-racist Louis Farrakhan, worked on behalf of the Nation of Islam despite knowledge of their anti-Semitic views, and once sponsored a speech by the bigoted Stokely Carmichael titled, “Zionism: Imperialism, White Supremacy or Both?”
Further demonstrating a lack of desire for justice, are Ellison’s actions in 1993. At that time, he led a crowd of demonstrators in a chant at the murder trial of a gang member charged with executing a police officer. The chant of, “We don’t get no justice, you don’t get no peace,” was chilling considering the crime. This is hardly a plea for justice, especially for the family of the slain police officer.
During his C-SPAN interview, Rep. Ellison claimed that, “I believe in liberty and justice for all, no exceptions, you know, everybody, all religions, all colors, all faiths.”
Problem is, does anybody really believe in Keith Ellison?
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Ellison is a lying Islamic goon
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 8:19pm.
He shares the goals of all Muslims, and that is the conversion, enslavement, or the death, of all infidels on the planet.
Infidels would be you and me.
All Islamic goons are commanded by their "religion" to lie to infidels in order to aid Islam in the realization of its goal of world domination.
BTW: There is no such thing as "moderate" Islam, and anyone who thinks there is doesn't know shiite about real Islam.
Why Western Civiliization continues to pussy-foot around with this 7th Century throwback tyrannical political movement pretending to be a religion, is beyond me.
-Dave
Well said, Dave!
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:22pm.
I had previously been willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Muslims that appear to be good citizens. As time goes on and there is a deafening silence from Muslims willing to condemn the killing worldwide, in the name of Allah. I no longer feel compelled to take anything for granted from them. It is their burden to prove themselves to me from now on. And if they choose not to, I will continue to mistrust them whenever necessary.
The fact that the Koran gives free rein to lie and deceive in the furtherance of their goals makes it almost impossible to treat them with anything but suspicion. Am I an Islamaphobe? No, but it is people like Ellison and the bunch at CAIR that are making me an Islamahater.
WTH is up with Minnesota?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 9:20pm.
How can one state give rise to Prince, Michelle Bachman, A. Akbar Ellison AND elect the Evil SNL Clown Franken as senator?
I think maybe MN should be chopped up into separate states... it's too weird.
MN
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 9:26pm.
And you forgot that nutjob Jesse Ventura. Indeed, it is a weird place...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
What's up with Minnesota...
Submitted by 26CX on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 9:27pm.
is the long winters often resulting in a mental aberration called "Cabin Fever". For most Minnesotans the symptoms subside with the warmer weather and the ability to spend time outside, but some are scarred forever. Unfortunately, those are the folks who get all the attention...
And consuming
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:34pm.
massive quantities of Akavit.
Ditto
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:14pm.
I'm still waiting on an answer for my question as to why the district or wherever he's from elected a Muslim into office. I've said it before and I'll say it again because it's 100% the truth, he needs to be removed from office because he's a Muslim, which violates the oath of office as well as the Constitution. Not only that, he swore the oath on a Koran, specifically Thomas Jefferson's which I take that as a coup maneuver like building a mosque near 9/11's NYC site is a coup.
His constituents can't be made up of Muslims so he had to have conned them into voting for him with the "religion of peace" BS.
There's no way in hell there can be any reconciliation between being a Muslim and a US Congressman.
-Jon
I don't think they were conned,
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:05pm.
Jon, anymore than the mind-numbed robots who voted for Obysmal.
His district is 69% white, 13% black, 8% Hispanic and 4.5% Asian, and a little over 1% American Indian. And a solidly dem district, it encompasses Minneapolis/St. Paul. So, I'd guess that the people in his district are voting as their public and private unions are telling them to, and that they're proving how "tolerant" they are, how "inclusive" their district is.
But, I totally agree with your last sentence.
ArticleVI
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:20pm.
Article VI, paragraph 3:
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
So no, it is not the 100% truth, and in no way whatsoever does it violated the Constitution. It's bigoted views such as yours that spurred the pilgrims to seek religious freedom, a very American ideal that would later be enshrined in the Constitutional contract.
MY bigoted views??
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:29pm.
Um, did you not read that bit that says "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution" in that Article VI, Paragraph 3?
And did you forget what they as Muslims have to go by which is the Koran? And did you not know that in the Koran, slavery is part of their system, death is demanded of those that are not Muslims, among other things? Last time I checked, those things are against the law in this country. Under this Constitution.
He can't be a Muslim and at the same time support the Constitution.
That is hardly bigotry on my part.
-Jon
It is both bigotry and
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:33pm.
It is both bigotry and ignorance on your part, but the two often go hand in hand.
Pretty snotty reply,
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:27am.
Pretty snotty reply, Satch...............and, while I'm at it, you're giving a bad name to the great Louis Armstrong - who DID believe in the American way. Tell us what part of that post were 'bigotry' and 'ignorance', please....................
All of it, especially the
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:53am.
All of it, especially the part beginning "he needs to be removed from office because..."
Well, Satch.................I
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:30pm.
Well, Satch.................I guess you can chalk me up as another ignorant bigot, because I totally agree with the post.....but, ya know, I'm just a blue collar country boy with 'old fashioned' and 'out of date' thoughts and ideas about our country and our Constition, and how people (whatever race, creed, sex, religion, or political persuasion) ought to conduct themselves in their day-to-day lives. Of course, I realize that makes me an ignorant, intolerant bigot................but I'll probably get over it a helluva a lot quicker than you will..............
"and how people (whatever
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:34pm.
"and how people (whatever race, creed, sex, religion, or political persuasion) ought to conduct themselves in their day-to-day lives."
Your point???? I know people
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:53pm.
Your point???? I know people in EVERY category...............and I take them all at face value, and that's all I want in return.
Right, just as long as they
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 2:55pm.
Right, just as long as they behave the way that you think they "ought to" in conducting their day-to-day lives.
Guess what Satch...laws exist
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:03pm.
Guess what Satch...laws exist in the United States spelling out how one ought to conduct their day to day lives. Your reality check bounced again.
This is ridiculous even for
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:48pm.
This is ridiculous even for you.
Since you can't address the
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 4:03pm.
Since you can't address the issues you run away again with another ad hominem in your wake. Typical, Satch. So predictable.
I didn't say 'I think they
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 4:18pm.
I didn't say 'I think they ought to'.............as my ol' buddy Beukeboom states, there ARE laws in this country. But I take an even simpler route. I KNOW 'right' from 'wrong' (and I'm sure you'll have another 'ignorant bigotted' response to that statement), and I deal with day-to-day life with that viewpoint. I also attempt to let 'common sense' lead the way, since it seems to work for me. And, believe it or not, I'm a very big fan of the 'live and let live' philosophy towards life....................I don't get too wrapped up in people's private lives, cause I don't have time, and I don't care.
But when ANY of these people - whatever creed, race, religion, sexual preference, or political persuasion infringes on MY criteria for life, liberty, and the pursuit of trying to stay responsible, dependable, and respectable, I'm going to do something about it, and it will be very clear what it is that I think and what I do.
Of course, that is probably another ignorant, bigoted statement..............and I stand by it.
Your words: "I'm just a blue
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 4:31pm.
Your words: "I'm just a blue collar country boy with 'old fashioned' and 'out of date' thoughts and ideas about...how people...ought to conduct themselves in their day-to-day lives."
Yeah, SatchelMouth, killa was referring---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:34pm.
to past times, when this country, despite it's faults, was in better shape, financially and morally, and a far better place to reside.
For all your vaunted self image as an intellectually superior specimen, were you not smart enough to note the quotation marks killa placed around that particular phrasing?
You're a specimen, all right.
The kind a doctor might request.
MD
how people ought to conduct
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:14pm.
how people ought to conduct themselves in their day-to-day lives was not within quotation marks.
So
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:12pm.
So SatchelMouth..............I'm gonna go out on a limb here, based on your own writings, and guess that you probably accept and tolerate ANY kind of behaivior and conduct, regardless of how it affects you...............and that you have NO standards for how you run your life, or your interaction with other people or issues???
We've got a word over here in Hawaii called 'manini'.............it means 'small'.............and every post that you make just becomes more and more manini.
You are incorrect. I do not
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:30pm.
You are incorrect. I do not accept or tolerate any behavior that infringes upon someone else's life, liberty, or property. I don't even tolerate some behavior that doesn't, but I accept that people are free to make their own choices, even if it's a choice I detest or wouldn't make for myself.
Sounds like you're just
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:19pm.
Sounds like you're just another intolerant bigot,meat........................
SatchelMouth, the "old-fashioned" and "out-of date'---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:31pm.
phrases in quotation marks are directly attachable as a connective lead-in to the the comment about how people should conduct themselves.
The foregoing sentence is directly attachable to this comment - you supercilious, boneheaded twit.
MD
Jeeez
Submitted by theduck6 on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 7:11am.
actually make a point or stop wasting bandwidth Satchmo.
You sound like a juvenile who just keeps repeating what someone else said.
Perhaps if you had a set of core values and didn't just say "anything goes, who am I to judge"?;
The pilgrims did not seek religious freedom.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:36pm.
They sought to practice their religion without persecution. There is a huge difference. The modern day concept of religious freedom would have been antithetical to them. The first English settlers in Jamestown were strongly loyal to the crown and the Church of England as defined under James I in his role as Supreme Governor of the national religious institution of England. The pilgrims were a mixed group comprised of a more radical faction of separatists from the Church of England, while the Puritans who came later were also separatists from the Church of England. Both sects did have a religious requirement to hold public office, that being Christianity as they practiced it.
You liberals can't seem to understand history without revising it to modern standards. If you are an example of the teaching of modern liberals, no wonder you spout crap without bothering to question the veracity of what you were taught. Even the most severely impaired patients I see in my neuropsychiatry practice know enough to consult references other than Wikipedia. Your response seems right out of the mold of brainless automaton, knee-jerk liberal revisionism.
DocSam...
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:44pm.
This is Incestmo we're talking about.
Citing even Wiki is beyond his comprehension. He never uses a cite, he merely issues a BLOWHARD statement, and if you don't like it....well, that's YOUR problem.....you just don't understand.
His other tactic is to misrepresent what you wrote (although I must admit I have a hard time with this one as I think most of us here are more than adequate writers).
And forget your degree(s), practice, etc. Incestmo knows all, particularly when it comes to The Constitution and The Law. For instance....did you know that there is such a thing as a "private workplace".....where none of the employment laws that comprise Title VII of the Civil Rights act apply? Tis true....in Incestmo world.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 138 (and Counting)
Ah yes.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:54pm.
Given the penchant of liberals to label themselves as "intellectual" based simply on their ability to regurgitate the garbage they are taught by the uberliberal educational establishment, perhaps a different tactic would have been a better choice.
The funny thing is there is NO understanding a truly detached, dissociated human being like Incestmo.
Gotcha on this one, Blonde. Thanks for the heads up. I haven't read much of the excrement that 'mo has posted on the site. Then again, in my sector of medicine the crazies always end up looking us up or being referred to us by a court or other legal authority.
EDITED TO ADD: Noticed its post below. Good Lord....attention seeking borderline personality disorder to boot....I hope it is getting treatment.....
drsamherman*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:04am.
This is a very long thread and may take you awhile to read.
But it will tell you all you need to know about the poster we now call Incestmo
Thanks, Cajun.
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:45am.
A few things that I have discerned from the little sicko's posts:
1) A tendency to use dramatic generalizations which contain no fact or substance - this is a very common finding in certain forms of dissociative borderline personality disorder subtypes. The pronouncements on anything and everything also point towards some obsession with being seen as more intelligent than Incestmo would otherwise seem. Regurgitation of phrases Incestmo considers to bring immediate closure to a point where he/she/it believes it will win the point is also a supportive factor in this type of personality disorder grouping. It also indicates that the poster is probably younger, as normally the regurgitation and mimicry of others moves to persons other than teachers as the patient ages.
2) Compulsive use of answers divided along two very distinct communications boundaries - evasion of logic through the use of short quips totally unrelated to the topic at hand and narrative that follows no specific logic.
In summary, just based on what I have read of Satchmo's posts, it appears there are mixed OCD components with mixed personality disorder subtypes.
This is absolutely hilarious.
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:50am.
This is absolutely hilarious. Comic gold.
#2: compulsive use of short quips - Check!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:04am.
Dr. Herman described you to a tee. And you didn't even have to make an office visit.
I'd suggest you send him $150 for the spot-on diagnosis. Then you should seek treatment locally.
And you just validated
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:27am.
And you just validated drsamherman's post.
You couldn't have
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:28pm.
even written his reponse any better than that, Dr. Sam. incestmo never fails to measure down to what's expected of him.
Perhaps you could also point out how, when called on their trollishness, the troll immediately responds by closing his account and moving back to Kos? We're all counting on ya.......
Temporal component of borderline personality disorder...
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:53pm.
...varies by the subtypes and overlay of Axis I primary diagnoses. For example, a patient with bipolar disorder and attention-seeking borderline personality disorder will remain in a stable state until a manic episode occurs. At that point, the attention-seeking appears often out of nowhere and to a drastic extent, e.g. climbing out on the ledge of a roof and threatening to jump off.
If Incestmo is running back to Kos or another liberal website when he/she/it is unable to come up with yet another regurgitated quip, then the temporal component is satisfied for borderline personality disorder and with the OCD components I mentioned previously.
Incestmo's presentation, again based on reading the posts, is something that a second-year psychiatry resident would expect to see within their first month.
Dare I add that the temporal component is used in Incestmo's context to "reload" with garbage more than likely obtained at other liberal websites. Incestmo's lack of originality is another classic hallmark of this particular nexus of symptoms.
Thank you, Dr. Sam
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 2:00pm.
Are there any triggers we here might employ to facilitate that manic episode/ledge-walking scenario you described?
Without breaking the Hippocratic Oath, of course ;)
Just keep ignoring him.
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:19pm.
That will drive Incestmo to the point where the stolen quips and ad hominems increase exponentially. Of course, Incestmo will crawl back to whatever liberal forum rock that it emerges from and provide examples of how "mean" we conservatives are.
Incestmo borrowed the cereal box line from several different TV shows. Most of these mixed OCD/BPD (borderline personality disorder) types are only creative thieves. They are not creative themselves.
EDITED TO ADD:
I am not violating the Hippocratic oath here....
Most OCD types with the attention-seeking BPD cluster are horrible cowards. They will never actually do serious harm to themselves because something as dramatic as actually committing suicide would rob them of the very attention they covet. In a sense, you could say they are truly addicted to the attention they receive from outrageous behaviors. Incestmo is one of those cowardly types.
The question of suicide in psychiatry is addressed by a bifurcation of intent vs. action. An "attempter" fits into the BPD category and will loudly proclaim an intention to commit self-harm short of an actual suicide. A "completer" will actually plan and commit suicide. In general, the completers have more severe forms of dissociative disorder (e.g. paranoiac schizophrenia) and/or severe mood disorders (uncontrolled major depressive disorder or the nadir of the depressive phase of bipolar disorder). In the attempter category, most BPDs will deliberately tell everyone available of their intent and perhaps carry out some very limited planning. They might buy a large bottle of medication or acquire a weapon or some other instrument. Think of the attempter as the dumbest criminal on the face of the planet just dropping clues like bird droppings on a freshly washed/waxed car. Think of the completer as the professional who does the job and others know only after the fact. This area is one of the more unpleasant and difficult aspects of psychiatry and mental health practice in general.
Ooh, you are good, Doc
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:23pm.
If I ever go nuts I'm calling you first!
Actually, my wife probably will be the one making the appointment, but WTH.
Oh My Goodness, Doc Sam
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:12pm.
This is the best Incestmo thread we've had in months.
I am at a loss for words (mark your calendars, NB'ers). This bit of thread is a thing of beauty, and deserves a HOF designation.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 138 (and Counting)
I agree.
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:31pm.
I agree.
So......
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 8:53am.
You enjoy being the butt of jokes and the object of mass derision?
If not, what is your purpose here?
Hmmm. Paging Doc Sam!!!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 138 (and Counting)
The cereal-box psychiatry,
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 2:57pm.
The cereal-box psychiatry, dripping with irony, just gets better and better. Keep it up, "doc"!
And you validated his post.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:04pm.
And you validated his post. Good job!
Notice, though, that SatchelMouth likely believes ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:52pm.
that he completely eviscerated Doctor Sam's posts with the stunningly rapier-like riposte - "Keep it up, "doc".
I'm telling you, this SatchelMouthed pos is just way too experienced a dueler for us to risk our sanity on.
Nah, not really.
He's queer, he's here, and he lives to provide us all with a bum steer.
MD
Yeah, but one has to laugh
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:33pm.
Yeah, but one has to laugh when his dueling weapon of choice tends to be a well-used baby spoon.
Thanks drsamherman*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:56pm.
We now have an official diagnosis on Incestmo. OCD with mixed Personality Disorder seems very accurate but I think I will just keep refering to him as Incestmo the idiot.
You are easily my favorite
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:13am.
You are easily my favorite poster. I hope all of your posts are as rich in comedy as this one is.
Incestmo*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:23am.
What a surprise.!...."I did not read your post, there was no value in doing so." Satchmo reply to cajun2
Edit: Btw Incestmo, try not to end a sentence with a preposition.
cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:08pm.
You may be a little too strict with Satch in this case. "Is" is not a preposition, the sentence construction is not absolutely incorrect, but it is a tad clumsy.
Jer
Um, Jer,
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:19pm.
You do realize there is an active Shmoe thread - in fact, an unprecedented NB apology to Shmoe thread?
Why are you playing around here looking up other posters' syntax?
No one will think any less of you - now get on over there, little buddy!
SoL---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:02pm.
It is possible that amongst the various odors emanating from SatchelMouth's posts, Jer has detected a whiff of liberalism.
If that is the case, Jer, as a liberal, is thereby honor bound to throw a bone in the bozo's direction.
I think it much more likely that the "whiff" is that of mental confusion, which, clinically speaking, is inseparable from liberal leanings.
-matthewdean- , MD*
MD
* with apologies to drsamherman - He is da man !
Well, after the pounding he gave I-Mo on that other thread,
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:14pm.
he's still A-OK with me.
Except for that unfortunate Shmoe thing.
I am very sorry, SoL...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:09pm.
I confess it was conductor cajun2 who derailed the train, and I foolishly followed her off the Shmoe tracks. Fortunately, no serious injuries to report. From now on, eyes straight ahead.
Jer
Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:39pm.
How many letters did you type in order to make such an inane reply? And Jer, I want an accurate count ASAP!!
And typical liberal spew. It was cajun's fault!...Jer, try to be a little more inventive. Drsamherman seems to be able to diagnose liberal illnesses rather accurately. Shall I make you an appointment?....;-)
To practice one's religion
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:51pm.
To practice one's religion without persecution is to practice one's religion freely, ie religious freedom, be they Pilgrim, Puritan, or anything else.
So these days............it'
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:31am.
So these days............it' s OK to trash Christianity, Judism, Mormonism, and other 'Christian' types of relgions...............but if you say ONE negative thing about Islam and the Moooooooooooooooooslems - it's 'bigotry', or 'intolerance', or 'racism'????
Go to some Moooooooooooooooooooooslem country and see how much 'freedom of religion' and 'tolerance' is going on there - especially the Mooooooooooooooooslem countries of the Middle East.
Nice straw man.
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:51am.
Nice straw man.
Nice taunt.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:35am.
But that is your stock in trade isn't it?
No straw man in the comment
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:32am.
No straw man in the comment of which you refer but a valid point about the blatant double-standard held by many liberals concerning religion.
It is the textbook definition
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:54am.
It is the textbook definition of a straw man.
The Stupid Lying Incestmo Troll LIES again.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:20am.
Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension):
attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.
For example, the claim that "evolution means a dog giving birth to a cat."
Another example: "Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
On the Internet, it is common to exaggerate the opponent's position so that a comparison can be made between the opponent and Hitler.
Prove it you linkless mollycoddling sissy. Prove killa made an exageration of your argument. You can't so you will crawl away like the little milquetoast sissy you are.
Wasn't any straw man in the
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:30am.
Wasn't any straw man in the comment of which you refer but a valid point about the blatant double-standard held by many liberals concerning religion. Clearly you are ignorant of fallacies. I suggest you read Fallacies by C. L. Hamblin which is a widely utilized textbook on the subject use in universities across North America.
I'm not 'nuanced' enought to
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:41pm.
I'm not 'nuanced' enought to know what the hell a 'straw man' is, but I think what I wrote is provably true. Howerever, let's go to the second paragraph of my post for ol' SatchelMouth - who I STILL think is giving a bad name to Louis Armstrong. Go to any Moooooooooooooslem country - especially the ones in the middle east - and see how 'tolerant' and 'accepting' they are of any other religion/belief/dictated lifestyle. I've been to Moooooooooooooooooooslem countries before, and I sure as hell watched my own P's and Q's, because they will NOT entertain ANY disagreement or ill will spoken of Islam, Muhammed, the Koran, or any of the rest of it. And my son just returned from a year in the Persian Gulf, where he went to Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and Dubai................maybe ol' Satch ought to talk to him, but.............well, my son is very quick and very sharp and very well informed (with REAL experience to back it up)............and he doesn't entertain fools very politly.
Who cares about what other
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:00pm.
Who cares about what other countries do or what their ltolerance levels are compared to ours? It has absolutely nothing to do with this topic, no matter how much you try to rationalize the bigotry and ignorance posted here.
Now THAT is an example of a
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:07pm.
Now THAT is an example of a straw man. Let me explain.
When Satch wrote, "no matter how much you try to rationalize the bigotry and ignorance posted here" that is a straw man for Satch created this false claim in order to knock it down. killa37 hasn't been trying to "rationalize the bigotry and ignorance posted here" but Satch knocked down this false accusation therefore it fits the definition of "straw man." Also since Satch, once again, attacks the person rather than the argument, Satch is also committing the ad hominem fallacy as well.
But that's Satch for ya...just full of fallaciousness.
You are, once again,
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:29pm.
You are, once again, incorrect on all counts.
Actually, Satch, you just
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:46pm.
Actually, Satch, you just validated the accuracy of what I wrote thus I remain correct on this. Again I suggest you read Fallacies by C. L. Hamblin since you are woefully ignorant on the topic. But this illustrates how meritless your posts become whenever you are refuted and shown to not know of what you write.
Ahhhhhhhh Beuke............my
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 4:24pm.
Ahhhhhhhh Beuke............my dear old patriotic conservative self-reliant ethical responsible Dad once told me 'don't get into a pissing match with someone who has a bladder problem'..............this guy is a time waster, and probably incurable in his beliefs, so why bother?? He's got his own residue..................
Point taken.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:34pm.
Point taken.
There are limits to what is
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:31am.
There are limits to what is allowed in the practice of one's religion. For example, the Supreme Court has ruled that a state government can withhold unemployment benefits to persons fired for using peyote even if they were using it for religious purposes (via Native American Religious practices) [See: Employment Division, Department of Human Resources of Oregon v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990)]. The SCOTUS has also issued similar rulings in similar cases.
So although there is freedom from governmental establishment of religion, there are limits on how one may practice that religion. The Islamic religion, for example, has many practices that would not and should not be allowed in the United States (ex. -- stoning, chopping off hands of thieves, honor killings, Sharia law, etc.).
So Satch, once again you reveal a marked ignorance on this issue and are once again making up stuff as you go along. Which is typical for you. You have a very ignorant view of what "religious freedom" means as it relates to the Constitution.
Not quite. The state is not
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:38am.
Not quite. The state is not prohibiting the followers from using peyote; they are protecting the right of the business/employer to set conditions for employment. Private business is not government. Poor example.
Proper example. Your
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:34am.
Proper example. Your misrepresentation is at fault.
Plus you conveniently avoided the other points I raised. Probably because you couldn't address them since they refute you.
The Islamic religion, for example, has many practices that would not and should not be allowed in the United States (ex. -- stoning, chopping off hands of thieves, honor killings, Sharia law, etc.).
So Satch, you continue to reveal a marked ignorance on this issue and are once again making up stuff as you go along. Which is typical for you. You have a very ignorant view of what "religious freedom" means as it relates to the Constitution.
How about the oath of office,
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:57am.
Incestmo? You know, "I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. [So help me God.]"
Being as how a Muslim must declare their allegiance to Allah, do you not see the possibility of a conflict between bearing "true faith and allegiance" to the Constitution, and being the servant of Allah.
Not to mention, Ellsion can't possibly say that he has no "mental reservation or purpose of evasion" because he's commanded by the Quran to lie to infidels, cheat infidels and kill infidels, wherever he finds them.
Careful, UpNorth
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:15pm.
He might call you an ignorant bigot too.
Hoo boy, that really stung me when I was called that. Oh, the pain, the pain, where's my pillow? /sarc
-Jon
Called an ignorant
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:20pm.
bigot, by an ignorant bigot? Meh, his diatribes only expose him for the fool he is.
The Constitution only
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:10pm.
The Constitution only requires that Congress "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this constitution." No surprise that the tyrant Lincoln is responsible for forcing federal employees to take an oath of allegiance, and naturally Congress followed. An inherently un-American act. It is, after all, the inspiration for the socialist Bellamy, author of the Pledge of Allegiance, who desired to see the indoctrination of schoolchildren declarimg their obedience and servitude to the state.
Now you are just evading his
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:15pm.
Now you are just evading his points and offering forth mere equivocation and bloviation. Typical for you, Satch. Go back and actually address his points.
Maybe by another name?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 5:13pm.
You know, the more stuff he's spouting out as "un-American" or what he considers tyrants and etc, I think I see a different picture of this guy. He's got to be an Anarchist. Maybe Doc Sam might confirm this, but wouldn't an Anarchist have a really twisted reality like our dear 'Mo? It's almost as if the rules and regulations and whatnot need not apply if you're an Anarchist.
Just throwing that out there.
-Jon
libertarian and
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:49pm.
libertarian and Constitutionalist. An anarchist would be opposed to any form of government; I am in favor of limited government.
Weird
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:12pm.
Except when it comes to personal finance, where you believe the government has the right to micromanage and control the wallets/purses of every single American by dishing out allowance money to them, coupled with a 23% national sales tax.
You definitely are not a Constitutionalist because nothing fills you with more rage than the thought of someone caring enough about it to defend it.
You are just weird.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Contradictions collapse
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:22pm.
There is no end of irony in your constant spouting of the Constitution, and your constant claiming to be THE SUPREME EXPERT on it, how much you love the Constitution more than anyone else, etc...
Yet you are ENRAGED that people would actually act to defend the thing. Abraham Lincoln decided that his oath of office meant something to him, so he acted as he did, to follow the oath of office he was required to take. This makes him a tyrant in your eyes, but that's because (to you) depending on the situation either the Constitution was presented to Moses on Mount Sinai on tablets or the Constitution is nothing more than a stupid garden-party invite that can be followed as people damn well please.
It is amazing to me how much you simultaneously consider the Constitution to be bigger and holier than the Bible, yet you are pissed at people like Lincoln for not using the Constitution as a really neat bit of parchment suitable for wiping his ass.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Look up taqiyya.
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:40pm.
And I don't mean the "cap".
Irony
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:09pm.
A bigot who cheerfully supports bigots and bigoted organizations, attacking anothert poster for bigotry.
Consider my irony meter pegged...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
SoL...in answer to your question about weird Minn:
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:57pm.
"How can one state give rise to Prince, Michelle Bachmann, A. Akbar Ellison AND elect the Evil SNL Clown Franken as senator?"
If I recall my sixth grade geography correctly, Minnesota is known as the "Land of Ten Thousand Flakes".
Jer
While California remains the
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 4:04pm.
While California remains the Granola State -- what ain't fruits and nuts is flakes.
Thanks, Jer
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 5:35pm.
I think I had Miss Crabtree a few years after you... I should have remembered that!
Your dog was Petey, right?
The
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:12pm.
The Pledge:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html
Another bizzare posting
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:55pm.
by the incest promoter of NB.
Can we have a "Flag as offensive" button?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:24am.
Pretty please?
Phweet. Phweet. Phweet. Phweet. Phweet. Phweet. Phweet.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:59am.
The Stupid Butt Hurt Lying Satchmo Troll gives us a link that says the pledge is un-American and socialist to boot. Phweeeeeeeeeeet. You stupid noobs. Only Satchmo, King Ron Paul of Paultardia, and Lew "Loopy as a Loon" Rockwell have the right to run this country. So sit down and shut up with your damn stupid pledge.
Are you kidding?
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:14pm.
Lew Rockwell is an America-hating racist bigot. His site and anything he touches has no credibility whatsoever.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
You cannot remove
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:41pm.
God from our founding documents or thousands (THOUSANDS OF YEARS IS A LOT) of human history. 95% of the PLANET still believes in GOD. So you, with less than 5% of the frickin planet (including gays) want to foist on the rest of us anti-God views. So that pretty much makes people like you losers. You wanna not believe in God so be it, but don't force that foolish belief on the rest of us.
I didn't say anything about
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:14pm.
I didn't say anything about our founding documents, human history, or what 95% of the planet believes. I linked an article that provided the history and intended purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance. Did you mean to reply to someone else?
No my reply was to you
Submitted by MightyMouth on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 9:14am.
And that lame link. The idiot (and you by extension) gets history wrong. Linclon was not a 'jacobian' like the french revolutionists. You want to read the context of the the history of the French Revolution read Ann Coulters book "Demonic". There is a whole chapter on it.
I didn't say anything about
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 9:41am.
I didn't say anything about our founding documents, human history, or what 95% of the planet believes, and neither did the article, so your response is a curious one. Your penchant for namecalling speaks a lot about you, though. And a whole chapter by Ann Coulter! Well that settles everything!
Here is the passage:
"Bellamy considered the "liberty and justice for all" phrase in the Pledge to be an Americanized version of the slogan of the French Revolution: "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity." The French revolutionaries believed that mass killing by the state was always justified if it was done for the "grand purpose" of achieving "equality." In an 1876 commencement speech Francis Bellamy praised the French Revolution as "the poetry of human brotherhood." And "what we call the Civil War," Donald Livingston has remarked, "was in fact America's French Revolution, and Lincoln was the first Jacobin president" (Donald Livingston, "The Litmus Test for American Conservativism," Chronicles, Jan. 2001)."
No surprise that you missed the point to zero in on one word.
we are islamophobes?
Submitted by MidAmerica on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:18pm.
So what exactly is the correct reaction we should have towards people who are trying to kill us?
Depends on who you talk to
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:52pm.
It depends on who you talk to, if it's them, the "correct" reaction is one of fear and scream a lot or some other stuff. You are an infidel after all.
But if it's us, or me in particular, kill them first, that's your correct reaction, because they won't stop. There is such a thing as the right to defend one's self from a bunch of murderers and thugs and child molesters. In Ephesians 6, the Bible does say you can defend yourself against evil which is what Islam is.
And before someone gets their knickers in a twist about what I said, I remind you, they attacked us. Several times. And they will keep trying until they either succeed(Iran comes to mind) or until they are utterly destroyed. They worship death. I like staying alive for as long as I can.
-Jon
+1 This
Submitted by falcon on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:10am.
As I've told my wife several times, evil must be destroyed. Not reasoned with, not appeased, not ignored, but destroyed.
Unfortunately, no person on this planet has the power to destroy evil. There is One who can, though. And His name ain't Allah.
BTW, doesn't Islam violate the 1st Commandment? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"?
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
Window of technology is now available to the Good OL'USA
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:10pm.
irans evil growing war engine must be utterly destroyed.
Target their war, factories, radar and warships. All that with very low collateral damage. We wait we have a another Trillion dollar WW-2 expense.
As if, this crap is "Home Made"
The bombs must be machine-milled to precise specifications in order to work properly, said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a member of the Armed Services Committee.
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
As evil as the ones in power
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:24pm.
As evil as the ones in power may be, they cannot reach our shore and are of no threat to us. It's time that our lust for interventionism (interventionism that is directly responsible for the Islamic Revolution) end. Let Israel make their own decisions about their own sovereignty without coming cap in hand to us. If they wish to bomb the hell out of Iran, that is their choice.
chmo, That news article was printed in the Bush era.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 5:41pm.
Absolutely no comment from the lord of the fly gang.
Not so secret and more 4 years of bomb factories humming along building devices that KILL AMERICANS. In Iraq and in Afghanistan
Thousands of AMERICANS: DEAD.
Time for that evil to stop, A shock and awe sort of thing.
That's not an Israel issue.
Darfur, and Sudan are the standard for the 7 th century world model of the islam state. That entire part of the world is now heading towards it. Lets give them a little shove.
they cannot reach our shore and are of no threat to us
Sure pal, and they don't want an H-bomb either.
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
It doesn't matter when it was
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 5:56pm.
It doesn't matter when it was printed. Iran cannot reach our shore and is no threat to us. Afghanistan and Iraq are not our borders.
"I'm safe under my bridge."
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:34pm.
Screw the rest of you.
More Murdered Americans today is cool with you.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:00pm.
An endless 5 or 6 front war is to your liking.
I'm suggesting a reduction of about 95% in American Dead,
In an operation that would be over in a few weeks.
Still you don't care one little bit about Dead Americans, do you!
Da-kine, colossal Dud
iran ICBM
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
What you are suggesting is an
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:23pm.
What you are suggesting is an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation, a nation that does not have the capability to attack our borders. It is you who are proposing war due to your desire for interventionism, not I. It is the interventionism of the United States through the CIA that overthrew the constitutional monarchy of Iran in order to protect Britain's oil interests. We installed the Shah, an oppressive tyrant. The Islamic Revolution was a backlash against the brutal Shah and America, who continually propped him up. When do you think we'll learn our lesson? Interventionism does not work.
No biggie, Pull a Libya or a Kosovo, or an Operation Opera
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:59pm.
unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation,
Crock..You miss this..
U.S. blames Iran for new bombs in Iraq
These Bombs KILL AMERICANS.
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
Satchmo doesn't care if
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:36pm.
Satchmo doesn't care if Americans are murdered by terrorists.
Fetid view into an Obama voter,
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:56pm.
Soon to be an Obama voter in 2012
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
You missed that we should
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:55pm.
You missed that we should never have been in Iraq to begin with. Do you realize how much our interventionism has cost us in lives and treasure? And for what? Nothing but continual war.
chmo, Your entitlements, and those that <gag> think like you
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:01pm.
have vacuumed much more money out of the national treasury. Than the WOT.
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
I'm entirely opposed to
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:38pm.
I'm entirely opposed to entitlements. You aren't familiar with libertarianism, are you?
Oh, and by the way, try reading about Senator Robert Taft some time.
EWWWW the Dennis Kucinich, from yesteryear
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 2:16am.
I'm very familiar with Dennis, The county I live in, is the only county in the USA. That tagged Ol' Dennis as the number one presidential WINNING candidate. So I get to yap with folk that voted for him.
So whom/what pays your hang time here in NB? (Kuz you are here a LOT). Like the rent, food and shoes?
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
Dennis??? I said you should
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 7:56am.
Dennis??? I said you should read about Senator Robertt Taft, whose nickname was Mr. Republican, some time. Your disdain for conservatives is noted, however. Clearly you are in love with the neo-conservative iteration of the Republican Party.
Yawn, If Taft was around now he sound like Dennis
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 2:07pm.
Close Getmo, Run from everywhere and hide in America.
Same 'ol Neville Chamberlainesk quotes...
“How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing!”
Satch ....Trust Fund Baby
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
"Like most conservatives
Submitted by Satchmo on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 12:47pm.
"Like most conservatives opposed to our Libya intervention, I’ve been asked a lot lately how it feels to be aligned with a hard leftist like Dennis Kucinich. It feels better, I think, than if I found myself on the same side as al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood."
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270902/re-republicans-and-libya-and...
war
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 12:54pm.
Little OT. We fight a multi-arena war and the Ivory Coast falls to Islamic extremist. Actually they are only extreme in their actions not necessarily in their religion but what is new about that.
Whether we belonged in Iraq is as simple as, what should the US have done about terrorism in the post 9/11 era? Because answering that answers whether Iraq was the right decision or not.
But it isn't that simple
Submitted by Satchmo on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 1:14pm.
But it isn't that simple since our foreign policy did not begin on 9/11.
Satchmo
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 3:23pm.
Nothing is ever that simple when dealing with foreign policy; however, in this case the degree of assertiveness the US should use in preventing further attacks is such an overwhelming issue that all other factors become nearly academic but not inconsequential. Way too simply put if the amount of assertiveness required by the US was sufficient to invade a country then Iraq was the logical military choice and was in the top three of political choices. Now, if you stripped away military input and political decision making then SA becomes the logical target but we all know that was never going to happen.
"Whether we belonged in Iraq
Submitted by Satchmo on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 3:53pm.
"Whether we belonged in Iraq is as simple as, what should the US have done about terrorism in the post 9/11 era? Because answering that answers whether Iraq was the right decision or not."
Since you used Iraq as a specific example, let's examine why we were there and why you feel it was a logical military choice and one of top three political choices: Iraq invaded Kuwait. The U.S. intervened, even though Kuwait is not our responsibility and Iraq posed absolutely no threat to our borders. So we intervened, negotiated a cease fire agreement, and then continued to intervene by establishing no-fly zones over sovereign air space and dropping bombs now and then. There's the back and forth of the weapons inspections, and then 9/11 happens. Now there is an entirely new context for inserting ourselves even further, and we make the WMD case, which becomes the basis for our invasion.
Now, do you think Iraq would still be a logical military choice and in the top three political choices had we never involved ourselves when one nation on the other side of the world invaded another nation? Let's step it back even further and ask what is the likelihood of 9/11 even happening if we followed a non-interventionist foreign policy over the second half of the 20th century, or even the entire 20th century?
Sorry, Incestmo,
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:06pm.
but that's BS. You could give a s**t less about lives, you're not invested in these wars. You're at the mall, or internet cafe,or mom's basement. Treasure? a trifle, the CBO said that the war in Iraq cost less than the Stimulus. I doubt that A-stan added as much as the losses in the collapse of the housing market.
Your rant for isolationism confirms your Paulturd credentials, but that's all.
Non-interventionism is not
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:40pm.
Non-interventionism is not the same as isolationism. One penny spent on the war and on the stimulus is two taxpayer pennies spent too many.
Unless you wrote a doctoral thesis, SatchelMouth---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:45pm.
on the definitive derivations of "non-interventionism" versus "isolationism", you once again are blowing smoke.
MD
"Non-interventionism" explained
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 5:12pm.
"Non-interventionism" is NOTHING more than isolationism, pure and simple. Isolationists know that constantly spouting an isolationist line and their "Blame America First" attitudes (as exhibited by Incestmo) don't sell. So they need a new phrase to make it SOUND good.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
The Ingrate Incestmo
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 11:37am.
This post of yours is nothing but a testament to your ingratitude.
We got NOTHING out of Iraq?
You can walk up to me on November 11, drop my drawers, fall on your knees, and kiss my ass.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Whinymo just doesn't have the same ring...
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:17pm.
Being Whiny does not work either, as 3000 or so dead, many of whom are still to be found at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, can attest.
Not to mention the biggest single political act that has happened in your lifetime. That simply didn't come about because the United States rolled over and turned whiny as you so badly want.
Interventionism DOES in fact work, and work brilliantly. About 1 billion people can't be all wrong...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Yeah, that gaping hole in New
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:44pm.
Yeah, that gaping hole in New York and the gaping hole in the families whose loved ones died is testament that "interventionism DOES in fact work, and work[s] brilliantly."
And where, exactly, SatchelMouth---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:51pm.
are your rock solid proofs that show the definitive link between U.S. interventionism and the 911 attacks?
Causal connections, now; not just more of you spouting opinions.
MD
No, you're right. We haven't
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:22pm.
No, you're right. We haven't been meddling in the affairs of Middle East countries over the past 60 years or so. There couldn't possibly be any backlash at all. I'm sure Muslims picking through rubble and piles of bodies that found shrapnel and unexploded ordnance with American markings on them didn't feel any resentment toward America, no matter who launched them. That resentment couldn't possibly have been fed and fueled over the decades. It just happened in a vacuum because, well, Muslims just hate us. That's how they roll.
SatchelMouth's causal connections---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:39pm.
appear to be, actually, his opinions.
Maybe he thought I typed "casual" connections.
MD
Hummm 60 years, Hater of Israel
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 2:27am.
What about some 200 years ago...2 the ol, ♫ shores of Tripoli ♫
ICBM illiterate.
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
Hater of Israel? On the
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 7:59am.
Hater of Israel? On the contrary. They should be the ones reaponsible for their sovereignty without having to ask the US for peemission to do anything. They are perfectly capable of doing so. Surely you have something to add other than these juvenile responses.
Too bad
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 11:44am.
Your slavish love of Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and the von Mises Institute are enough to indicate to one and all that you hate Israel.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Hey Ingrate...
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 11:42am.
Incestmo, in that case you should be calling for the end of the United States.
Something you cannot get through that incredibly thick skull of yours is very simple: we are a target by being here. The United States doesn't exist, the Stars and Stripes does not fly, and the Constitution you support when it is convenient for you to support it does not exist out of the kindness of people's hearts.
Being Whiny Always Fails. If anything, the World Trade Center towers fell because we weren't interventionist enough.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Satch.
Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 6:53pm.
You never know where the next threat is coming from. At this very moment Canada is working on a thermal weapon that will rain down ice and snow on all of you..should be ready around December..Opps I think I've said too much.
snow
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:02pm.
job
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
Ya, I know
Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:08pm.
I just don't sleep well unless I make one stupid comment on NB per day. It's an OCD thing.
Incestmo strikes again
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:12pm.
This is exactly the same naive thinking that led to Pearl Harbor. But then, your ignorance of history is something you proudly parade on a daily basis.
So, along with incest, Incestmo believes that America will never be weak enough for his liking. And he hates Israel.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Actually, it was Roosevelt's
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:25pm.
Actually, it was Roosevelt's inserting himself into Japan's affairs that invited Pearl Harbor. Another fine example if interventionism.
So Japan
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:35pm.
Wasn't imperalistic until Roosevelt? How old are you kid?
Did I say they weren't? No, I
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:45pm.
Did I say they weren't? No, I said Roosevelt inserted the US into Japan's affairs. Remind me of our involvement in the Napoleonic Wars, would you?
SatchelMouth is probably---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:47pm.
nineteen.
Going on twelve.
MD
Wow, how unusual
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:20pm.
Matches his iq
Reality check
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:00pm.
Remind me of what power projection capabilities the United States had during the Napoleonic Wars versus what it had in 1941.
This is where you reactionaries constantly get into trouble. The United States in, say, 1800, was too weak militarily and economically to have much say and influence in the world. This didn't stop the United States from taking care of business against the Barbary States, nor did it prevent an undeclared state of war from existing between France and the United States for a time.
Time to flip your calendar from 1787 to 2011.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I am no fan of Roosevelt
Submitted by MightyMouth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:13pm.
but Japan needed to be crushed! The Nepoleonic Wars?? They were a direct result of the dumb ass French revolution. The French got what they started. So... like blow, us French commie dumbasses. Do you need America to bail your commie asses out again. Well maybe, just maybe the US of frickin A, won't be around for you. And you know why? because we are just as commie as you now thanks to Obama. And you Satchmo can kiss my bible thumping, gun totin, truck drivin' ass.
God bless...
MM,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:29pm.
Love the tag line.
-Dave
And Napoleon didn't? Look,
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:24pm.
And Napoleon didn't? Look, i'm just trying to follow your logic here. You're the one who felt it necessary to bring up Japan's imperialistic desires. Apparently, that's the standard for committing American lives and money at risk. Except when another example of imperialism is brought up, and the reaction is, oh, that little thing that was their own business.
History FAIL
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 11:46am.
Continue to fail to understand history.
What was the power projection capability of the United States during the Napoleonic Wars versus 1941?
You need to shut up, quit spouting off about what you THINK you know about, and read your history.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Incestmo: "The US deserved Pearl Harbor"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:59pm.
You fetid little worm.
Someone please explain to me why this anti-American cretin is still here and allowed to gum up every single threads with his utter BS?
Why are you using quotation
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:57pm.
Why are you using quotation marks? I never said we deserved the attack on Pearl Harbor. Why must you lie?
Familiar with the term "crux", Incestmo?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:03pm.
This is not some mamby-pamby HS journalism class here.
That was EXACTLY what you implied, and you know it, so shove my quotemarks up your butt sideways.
No, that is what you
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:50pm.
No, that is what you erroneously inferred, and you deliberately lied by attributing something to me that I never said.
Suck it up
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 11:48am.
Actually, he didn't lie at all. Your ENTIRE foreign policy approach on this thread is "Blame America First, Foremost, and Always".
You are at this point throwing a hissy fit because your ingrateful ass has been called on it.
For once in your life, take personal responsibility. Suck it up, sick freak.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Whine on
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:03pm.
Um, yes you did, by indicating that because FDR didn't play ostrich, the Japanese attacked. Let me clue you in on something: Japan could have headed north for its oil, not south. That they decided to head south got them into war with the United States. Their decision, not ours.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Intervention, how?
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:18pm.
Now for the forgotten question, that shallow folks like you always forget.
Intervention, why?
More history deficiency
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 8:56pm.
Yeah, that justified Pearl Harbor. And Roosevelt was just supposed to sit back and let Japan run rampant across the Pacific. You are so history-deficient, you don't even have the slightest clue what has historically made the national economy tick. That one thing boils down to one little tiny monosyllabic word, and the Japanese had this one little thing under threat; not to mention U.S. territories across the Pacific.
The Japanese could have just as easily given the finger to Roosevelt by pursuing a "north strategy". But no, they elected not to, and decided on a "south strategy". Once they did this, they saw this would bring them into confict with the United States. It was up to them to head the other direction. But THEY chose not to.
Do me a favor and leave the history to people who actually know what they are talking about.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Right Satch...How dare we insert ourselves into Japan's
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:26pm.
affairs and interfere with the fueling of its expansionist dreams such as subjecting China to the Rising Sun's special brand of 'enlightened discipline'.
Shame on us. Damned interventionists.
Jer
Silly interventionists!
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:30pm.
Oh, come on, Jer. I'm sure the Chinese would have been much better off as part of the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere".
Nanking? Just a silly misunderstanding....
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Yep.................those
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:32pm.
Yep.................those super-nice Japanese made a LOT of friends in Manchuria, China, the Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, New Guinea, Papua, the Marshall Islands, a number of other islands in the western Pacific, and anywhere else that they went. And they basically told Woodrow Wilson's League of (chicken sh*t) Nations (a sorry predeccessor to the United Nations of Wimps, Thugs, and Leeches) to go to hell, and gave them the finger as they walked out the door......
But..................we shouldn't have 'interfered' with Japan's business, right?? They were only taking care of their own interests......
somehow they killed and maimed almost as many people as Hitler and the Nazis did, and they covered a helluva a lot more area in doing it!!! But...................it's our fault!!! Especially after we nuked their asses a couple of times!!!
And I've been to China and have Chinese friends who remember the story of Nanking and the Japanese occupation.......of course, they should have just bent over and taken it, instead of asking us for help...................OUR BAD!!!!!
We are not - and should not
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:27pm.
We are not - and should not be - the world police. China was not an American territory or protectorate.
You really don't know how close you came to speaking German...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:45pm.
...and/or Japanese.
The allies came damn close to losing WWII, and if they had, you would be posting in something other than English - if you were posting at all.
Had Japan hit our west coast immediately following the attack at Pearl, and had Hitler decided to forgo trying to swallow the USSR, and had instead consolidated his holdings in the Mediterranean, you would be living in a very different world today.
How long do you think we would have survived as a nation had Germany wound up dominating most all of Europe and North Africa, as well as the Japanese controlling most of the Pacific?
Isolationism, like Keynsian economics, is a great story-book idea, but it doesn't work in the real world, unless living under tyranny gets you excited.
-Dave
I thought you consider
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:51pm.
I thought you consider yourself a libertarian? Non-interventionism is not isolationism.
No....
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:27pm.
In this case, and you might find this a bit hard to understand, it was about survival.
nevermind, yeah, you wouldn't understand.
-Jon
Yes, employing an embargo and
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 8:12am.
Yes, employing an embargo and freezing Japan's assets, thereby denying them their right of property, was about our survival. Please.
Read your f*****g history
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 11:56am.
Um, the Japanese had no right to our oil or anything else.
And they could have EASILY just flipped us the bird and headed NORTH and fought a USSR which was massively weakened by the Nazis and by Stalin's purges. (If not for Zhukov and the Japanese encountering fierce resistance from the armies he led, they may have been even further tempted to head north.) Had they done so, they could have split the USSR with the Germans, and gotten hold of even more resources than they could have gotten in a "south strategy".
But, they stupidly opted for a "south strategy", which even Admiral Yamamoto was uncomfortable with. This brought them into war with the United States.
But thanks for indicating that you WILL NEVER LIVE IN AN AMERICA WEAK ENOUGH FOR YOUR LIKING. After episodes like the Panay incident and other moves that clearly threatened actual U.S. territorial possessions in the Pacific, your response is that we should have just SHUT UP and given the Japanese ANYTHING THEY WANTED for the asking.
Fortunately short sighted perpetual see-no-evil hear-no-evil ostriches were nowhere near power in 1941. Because if not, we'd probably all be speaking German or Japanese.
Read your f***ing history. (And beware, as fellow WWII freak Dave is now on the scene.)
Sick disgusting freak.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
jeez,
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 1:23pm.
jeez, unsane..................'denying them their right of property'???? This dope is lamer than even I give him credit for, and that's saying something!!! Maybe he's never bothered to take a look at the map of Japan's quest for 'property' back in the 30's and 40's??? And besides all of that - it was 'north to Alaska' and 'south to Australia' also. These guys were possibly MORE ruthless and imperialistic than the Nazis.........and were widely reviled and hated by EVERYONE that they came in contact with.
Of course, we nuked 'em..............and that made US the bad guys.
Like I said on an earlier post yesterday..................this clown is 'manini'.................no wonder he's a lib.
We froze Japan's assets.
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 1:34pm.
We froze Japan's assets. Those assets were the property of Japan. That's exactly what freezing an entity's assets does; it denies the owner access to their property. Does a property owner not have the right to his property? What could you possibly take issue with in that? We froze their assets prior to PH, and we instituted an embargo against Japan. These are factors that led to their attacking us. We got involved in their affairs. This is a fact.
satchmo
Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 1:37pm.
If we know that a government in a certain country is murdering and pillaging people across its region, should we just keep on trading with them and pouring money into their massacre campaigns?
We have every right to engage
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 1:52pm.
We have every right to engage in trade or not engage in trade with a country (we could argue about whether government should have the authority to restrict trade between its citizens and a foreign nation, but that's another topic). I'm not taking issue with the embargo; I am pointing out a couple of factors that led to the attack, some of which were assuredly interventionist.
Satch - Your Intentional Ignorance Is Astounding
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 1:57pm.
Japan was going to attack the USA no matter what. Who do you think held The Phillipines, Guam and Wake ? (Hint, starts with US, and ends with A)
Guam and Wake aside, do you seriously think Japan didn't want control of the Phillipines?
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
The Phillippines. Oy. There's
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 3:25pm.
The Phillippines. Oy. There's another topic for debate. Maybe Japan would have attacked us no matter what; however, we hadn't been attacked and still intervened, which invited the attack on Pearl Harbor.
I have to think of a new word for your ignorance, Incestmo
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 5:30pm.
Apparently you believe individuals exist outside of governments.
You are a total Neanderthal. Now go drag your daughter off to the cave, and have at it!!!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 138 (and Counting)
"Apparently you believe
Submitted by Satchmo on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 7:47pm.
"Apparently you believe individuals exist outside of governments."
I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain?
Pound sand
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 6:58pm.
Why can't you be bothered to study history?
Japan, my America-hating history ignoramus, COULD HAVE HEADED NORTH. But they CHOSE - over Admiral Yamamoto's objections (does that name sound familiar?) - to pursue a "south strategy" which put them on a collision course with the United States. The Japanese KNEW they were careening on a collision course with the United States.
But you refuse to deal with that basic historical fact because you hate the United States for NOT being a weak, whiny pushover.
I have no doubt that given the slightest opportunity you will gladly provide aid and comfort to the enemy, because in your twisted mind, "it will teack the sick, disgusting evil United States a lesson".
Shut up, and go read your history, and otherwise pound sand.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Another from the ingrate Incestmo
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 5:23pm.
Incestmo once again more interested in blaming, blasting and badmouthing his own country than he is in history.
Yeah, the Panay incident was no big deal. Also, with a "south strategy", the Japanese were, out of the kindness of their hearts, going to let us keep the Philippines, Guam, and other territories.
Incestmo is perpetually embarrassed and deeply ashamed of the United States for even having a diplomatic corps, much less an Army or a Navy. Never mind that Congress is called upon to maintain an Army and Navy in the very document he claims to know more about than anyone else alive; a document he professes to deeply love when it is convenient for him to do so. Not to mention the role the President has as Commander-in-Chief....maybe Incestmo just ignores the parts of the Constitution he doesn't like.
Especially as it interferes with his dream of living in an America that is thousands of times weaker and whinier than Andorra or San Marino.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I just don't like the conflict of interest...
Submitted by uhohshortsonthehighway on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:38am.
We have Jews, Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Evangelicans and others in the United States Government. I have no issue with any of them because their individual faiths don't conflict with the values our country was founded upon. Islam, however, directly contradicts those values in many different ways-and if a Muslim tells you otherwise, then he or she is not following a true form of Islam. No different than a Jew who claims Judaism but doesn't eat kosher food.
True.
Submitted by HockeyKid on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:52am.
This is why I recommend that everyone study the major religions. In summation, Judaism shows the foundation, Christianity shows the completion, and Islam is the corruption.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Aaaaaand another thing...
Submitted by falcon on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:18am.
Just exactly how does "justice for all" translate into "bash whites and Jews and anyone who isn't Muslim"? How exactly does "justice" become "no peace for you" if a certain group's demands aren't met?
There's a reason why the statue of Justice is blindfolded and carries balanced scales. Because "justice" is "just." Not "fair", because "fairness" has been mutated into meaning something it's not. To most people, "fairness" is when they get what they want. It's like a little kid - "That's not fair!" - who wants an ice cream cone or a candy bar or a Power Wheels toy and doesn't get it.
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
For me (and mine) not thee
Submitted by Model850 on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 5:54pm.
Rather than condemning such incendiary comments, Ellison defended her, saying, “We stand by the truth contained in the remarks attributed to (Ms. Jackson), and by her right to express her views without sanction.”
Apparently expressing one's views without sanction is a privilege reserved for those with whom Ellison agrees.
Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), Congress’s first elected Muslim, rebuked King’s unjustified focus on the Muslim community....
Rebuke: to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.
Blessed are those who expect nothing, for they shall not be disappointed.
Private cirizen versus
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:46pm.
Private cirizen versus government. Not exactly analogous.
cirizen---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:51pm.
good one.
Analogous - four syllables.
Even better.
You are impressive, SatchelMouth.
In an anticipatory, 'train wreck' sort of way.
MD
Just don't commit
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:09pm.
any interventionism, MD. You'll be safe from the keen intellect and rapier-like responses of Incestmo that way.
You know, reading over this thread alone, I'm beginning to think that ole Incestmo may be 4 or more people. Just by the way the sudden zigs and zags in his posts pop up. No one capable of turning on a computer could make the leaps from logic it does, unless it was a group of like-(absent)-minded folks. Either that, or Dr Sam is correct, along with a lot of us, and he's merely bat-s**t crazy.
GMTA, UpNorth---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:28pm.
as I have often wondered if a cabal of dorks named Satchmo, SatchelMouth, Incestmo, and Pervmo; sit within the confines of a musty, moldy basement; type up weird sh*t, and then flip a coin to determine which post goes on what thread.
Unsane did a good job kicking Satchmo's butt reference Japan; and did so without even having to point out that The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere fell a tad short when it came to asking the U.S. to take part in their decision making process for running rampant throughout the South Pacific.
MD
Beukeboom is officially requesting this troll be banned.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 12:32pm.
And I agree.
Satchmo, the troll
It is time for this troll to be sent to troll hell.
Fire or acid works well on
Submitted by Bhaal on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 1:49pm.
Fire or acid works well on them in D&D, otherwise they regenerate.
Agreed on banning SatchelMouth,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 10:27pm.
as he is an infernally long playing record with the needle gratingly stuck in a groove.
I believe I have actually run out of euphemisms for 'idiot-assed dork' to rain upon his inordinately thick skull.
MD
I found a pic
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 2:20pm.
of Incestmo, finally.
He didn't want to pose but the photog talked him into it.
LOL! - I never figured him for an aviator
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 3:05pm.
.