Bill Clinton: MSNBC 'Has Become Our Version of Fox'
Next month's Esquire magazine has an interview with Bill Clinton wherein the former President said MSNBC "has become our version of Fox":
ESQUIRE: Mr. President, as we're going into an election year that will likely scorch the earth, we want to talk with you about the notion of American consensus for the common good and why that is in so much trouble right now, and we want to find consensus on some things. As impossible as it might have seemed twenty years ago, there is now no figure of greater consensus in America than you. How did that happen? What is different between now and then? Why does the politics seem so much more caustic now than even then?
CLINTON: Well, it is more caustic now, but don't forget, when I was there, there were radio talk shows accusing me of murder, killing guys on train tracks in Arkansas, and of running drugs in western Arkansas, that kind of stuff. [...]
I also think that the diffusion of the media has complicated things. For example, I was just watching — I don't know if you heard what I said in the other room — I was just watching MSNBC, and they had a woman that used to work for me and a couple of other people on there, and they were talking about the Republican primary. And I was laughing. I said, "Boy, it really has become our version of Fox." And I say that because think of the economics of running cable channels. Suppose you and I bought a cable channel, and he [pointing] bought another. You know that to make a living out of it, you've got to get about eight hundred thousand viewers for all your major programs. So you can get eight hundred thousand, and you won't be as wealthy as Fox, but you'll do okay. And now if you get a slice that's that small and still viable — and you know it's not like when we just had NBC, CBS, and ABC. That's all there was. Everybody had enough market share that they knew would guarantee some comfortable level of profit. And yet there was enough competition that everybody could keep each other honest, and when the Vietnam War came along, they could send fifty-five-year-old reporters to Vietnam for extended stays. They could afford to have correspondents in Europe to report. Correspondents in Asia. All that's changed now. And so the good news is you can get a lot of information off the Internet for free and in a hurry. But I think the breaking up of the media, which is otherwise kind of healthy, has contributed to less actual reporting and a louder, more contentious, more divisive public discourse, highlighting conflict, sometimes falsely.
Whether intentional or not, the former President nicely described MSNBC in that last sentence: "less actual reporting and a louder, more contentious, more divisive public discourse, highlighting conflict, sometimes falsely."
Can't argue with that.
On the other hand, Accuracy in Media's Don Irvine noted, "MSNBC does provide a clear alternative for liberals to Fox News, especially when compared to CNN, but since making that commitment to the liberal cause they have struggled to achieve even a fraction of the success that Fox has had. And that isn’t likely to change any time soon, even with Clintons’ endorsement."
Indeed, but I would suggest that Fox isn't nearly to the right as MSNBC is to the left.
In extended weekday primetime, MSNBC viewers are treated to six straight hours of perilously liberal discourse from perilously liberal anchors very often without any Republican or conservative voices offering counterpoint.
By contrast, during those same six hours, Fox viewers are treated to the extremely fair and balanced Special Report with Bret Baier, Fox Report with Shepard Smith, and On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.
With the departure of Glenn Beck, the only hardcore conservative in Fox's extended primetime lineup is Sean Hannity who has at least one liberal guest on his show every night.
Despite his right-of-center leanings, Bill O'Reilly could hardly be called a right-wing ideologue as his program features almost as many liberal guests as conservatives.
The new addition to the lineup, The Five, features former Democratic strategist Bob Beckel making it far-less dogmatically skewed than anything on MSNBC's extended primetime schedule.
Add in MSNBC's new tact of giving writers for the far-left magazine The Nation their own shows - Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris-Perry - and the extremities of ideological dogma being explored by this so-called news network can't possibly be compared to Fox.
But there's another stark delineation between the two networks as Hot Air's Tina Korbe points out: "Unlike some MSNBC personalities who feign objectivity, Fox talk show hosts are pretty transparent about their biases. I argue that that 'owning of bias' is really the way to go."
And that is likely what moderate and conservative viewers find most distasteful about MSNBC.
It's one thing to have opinionated anchors trying to advance an agenda. It's quite another having them dishonestly hide behind a veil of impartiality while doing it.
Maybe this is why Fox soundly beats MSNBC in ratings virtually every hour of every day.
With this in mind, Mr. Clinton can keep his version of Fox.
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Zing!
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 6:18pm.
And I say that because think of the economics of running cable channels. Suppose you and I bought a cable channel, and he [pointing] bought another. You know that to make a living out of it, you've got to get about eight hundred thousand viewers for all your major programs.
Heh. I think he just poked his former VP in the eye.
Out of the Mouth of an OLD PERVERT.......
Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 6:39pm.
Sometimes fall truth!
MSNBC is our version of Fox?
Submitted by dr-go on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 6:23pm.
Certainly it is but without the viewers.
And
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 12:27am.
And BRAINs!
"Our"?
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 6:25pm.
I thought he was a centrist? Yeah, and Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real, too!
Who plays the on-staff arsonist character on Fox?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 6:36pm.
“I’m going to torch this [bleep]ing place!”
let the legacy media outlets...
Submitted by ds7 on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 6:55pm.
fight for what's left of few people who still trust them to be informative on any topic...
Wow! Amazing!
Submitted by DaMama on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 6:57pm.
I've never been a big Bill Clinton fan, but I have to give him his props for being truthful and honest. MSNBC is the bastion for all leftist liberal newscasters. It cracks me up that these lefties get their panties in a twist whenever Fox News is mentioned. The left has every major newspaper, Time and Newsweek, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, PBS and almost every other broadcast news station in their back pocket. It must really burn their buns that Fox News has a conservative bent and they can't control them.
Kudos to Clinton for having the cajones to admit the truth.
Doddering fool
Submitted by Truestar on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 7:09pm.
Ol' BJ is losing it. "Our" version? Well if it's really "their" version of Fox, they're an awful poor version. Hope he's proud.
Now that's ironic!
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 7:50pm.
"and you know it's not like when we just had NBC, CBS, and ABC."
Now that's ironic, considering that Fox has more viewers than NBC, CBS, and ABC combined.
To paraphrase that old commercial: Choosy people choose Fox.
But, as to Fox being like MSNBC, he has a point. When it comes to the actual news broadcasts, it's getting harder and harder to tell any of the stations apart anymore. It was bad enough when we had three major news sources all running the same stories at the same time, but now there's, what, 8?, and you can't really tell one from another. They're still all running the same stories at the same time. I guess that's why they all need to run that stupid little icon in the lower right corner. So people can actually tell which news broadcast they're watching.
The news networks have become as lazy as the newspapers who preceded them. They all rely upon some "international news source," like the Associated Press, to pick which "stories" are important enough to publish. WHY do we have so many newspapers and news networks all running the same stories? What ever happened to originality? What ever happened to American ingenuity?
We should do away with the Civil War era "wire services" as a news source (that "wire" in the title of "wire service" was a telegraph wire, you know. When was the last time anyone used a telegraph?). Sources like the Associated Press became outdated the day that the first international airline flew its first flight.
What's that old saying, if it bleeds, it leads? Yes, in every single news station in the country! There's nothing more disgusting than seeing 100 TV News cameras, accompanied by 100 TV News reporters holding 100 TV News microphones, all filming the exact same thing. It's gotten so bad that we actually created a term for it: the Media Circus!
Oh, and by the way, the "Internet" isn't immune from this "mass media" hysteria. Within 24 hours of a "news event" occurring, 10,000+ "blogs" will all being writing about it! We can all thank Matt Druge for that! Matt Druge, the King of News Hyperlinks.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
I would argue that the TYPE
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 7:16pm.
I would argue that the TYPE of bias is completely different between MSNBC and Fox News. MSNBC uses hyperbole and ad hominem that I NEVER see on Fox News. MSNBC will sit there and call Republicans "satanic," "demonic," "lemmings," etc. etc. etc. whereas Fox News just reports facts without all the namecalling and hyperbole. Even Hannity who is admittedly the most biased person on Fox News is basically hammering home the same facts again and again, admittedly facts that favor the right, but he isn't sitting there coming up with this twisted interpretive logic you see on MSNBC.
Basically MSNBC comes across as a bunch of stoned teenagers and Fox News comes across as adults who are on top of it.
Main difference being MS-NBC forbids those with opposing
Submitted by krendler on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 8:08pm.
...viewpoints.
Also, I'd say FOX, on a "partisan scale" of 1 to 10, is maybe a 5, as is CNN (only in the other direction). So, a better more accurate statement from Clinton would be "CNN has become our version of FOX."
And MS-NBC? MS-NBC is completely off the charts. An 11 wouldn't even cover it. "Freak show" only begins to describe that network. Their motto is "No dissenting views allowed" and "If in doubt, yell Racism."
"OUR version"?
Submitted by Dave the mailman on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 8:19pm.
I guess,...if by "our" he means "angry idiots".
Yes, angry idiots
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 12:19pm.
and pants-dropping, stogie dippers too.
⇒ Stogie dippers?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 12:26pm.
Now that's funny, I don't care who y'are!
Oh - for a moment there I thought the comparison . .
Submitted by Gary Hall on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 8:29pm.
. . was to NPR.
My bad.
(;~/ gary
PS - there's also the "truth" meter problem over at MSNBC. While Fox may make a few errors, and lean on it's views at times, MSNBC has a long list of straight out false statements and misrepresentations - verbally, and with their graphics.
see what happen when bill
Submitted by jimtrees on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 8:41pm.
Tries to get rachel under one of those desk. Sorry bill, no cigar!
I'll tell you the Liberal version of Fox. Its...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 8:59pm.
ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBCPBSNPR and sometimes CNBC.
And Air America is (was)
Submitted by Edhenry on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 9:01pm.
And Air America is (was) thier "Rush"
By the way, Bill
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 9:06pm.
By the way, Bill, YOUR version of Fox would be the Playboy Channel. You just watch it for the articles, right? Heh.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
I'd bet
Submitted by Bodini on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 12:30am.
I'd bet he's a closet FOX-watcher because of the babes ... but he probably mutes it lest he learn something.
The worst?
Submitted by dliston on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 9:10pm.
Actually I think CNN is worse than MSNBC as far as bias. MSNBC is pretty in your face and you can't mistake it for non-partisan but CNN is just as far left but they try to project this air of neutrality. Case in point....just watch Jodi Kantor interview with Piers Morgan and Soledad Obrien.
Clinton's Book
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 9:13pm.
When he wanted to boost his book sales where did he go? BOR's show. What a grateful guy.
Democrats and Independents - Fox least trustworthy
Submitted by alvin on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 12:56am.
Public Policy Polling:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/3rd-annual-tv-news-trust...
chipmunk---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 1:47am.
your link aside, you are full of shit.
Even factoring in your link, my statement stands, because typical, dyed in the wool liberal punk that you are, you lead with only half a fact in your subject line and then run away.
If you had even a trace of honesty in your sad sack liberal troll shoot, scoot and run persona, you would have pointed out the poll in your link shows the same percentage trust FOX news as do not.
Conservatives here know you to be a hit and run propagandist; but that lessens your stench not one iota.
You not only smell bad, you are a coward as well.
MD
Id'nt that cute.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 2:24am.
Another troll brings a poll from a decidedly liberal organization that refuses to release the sampling rate of it's own polls. For all we know, 90% of the respondents to the poll were liberal lying trolls.
Public Policy Polling (PPP) is a left-wing group that polls for Daily Kos, the liberal national blog, and has spent this year releasing cooked polls against Republican elected officials and governors. And the evidence is damning.
PPP admits that it was founded to conduct “free” polls and then promote them in the media to “counter Republicans.” Unlike credible polling firms on both sides of the aisle, the goal of PPP’s robocall polls is not to accurately measure public opinion, but rather to create public opinion against Republicans. (emphasis original)
alvin, do you actually smell what you're shoveling?
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 3:18am.
Or just want to believe the lie that is your ideology? Either you're too stupid, mentally disabled, or something to always keep bringing false garbage on here that you cannot, and have not proven.* Seriously, pack up your tent from whatever OWS invasion you're at and find the nearest shrink ASAP!
*The definition of insanity is to repeat the same actions over and over again only to expect the same result.
Least trustworthy?
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 3:09pm.
So, Fox is the least trustworthy, but the most watched, IN EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY? How do you reconcile the two? Do all those millions of people watch just to see how untrustworthy Fox News really is?
I mean, really, it's obvious that MSNBC, Fox News's closest competitor, is far more trustworthy than Fox as they have one-quarter the viewership, right?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
The truth simply isn't in
Submitted by Semus on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 1:47am.
The truth simply isn't in this guy.
Liar
Submitted by jpalm32 on Fri, 01/20/2012 - 10:06am.
Gee, and I thougt the president was for ALL the people.