Michael Moore: Violence at Occupy Events Likely Caused By 'Undercover Homeland Security or Cop'
Schlockumentary filmmaker Michael Moore said Thursday that the violence occurring at various Occupy events including Oakland is likely being incited by Department of Homeland Security officials or cops.
Such was disgracefully uttered on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show (videos follow with transcript, vulgarity warning in Oakland riot footage):
RACHEL MADDOW, HOST: As you know, in Oakland yesterday there was a very successful general strike, very successful all day long, basically peaceful until after midnight when there was basically rioting. And the occupy Oakland people are essentially disavowing the people who are rioting.
Really? I guess Maddow missed this daytime riot in Oakland Thursday before her interview with Moore (vulgarity warning):
But I digress:
MADDOW: Are you seeing difficult discussions about non-violence and about potential splits and differences in tactics?
MICHAEL MOORE: Yes. Well, yes and no. There, everyone I’ve spoken to is committed 100 percent to non-violence. That this is the only way that this is going to work.
In fact, we don’t -- we don’t need violence because we’re not in the minority here. This is the majority. This is a majority movement.
If this country is of, by, and for the people, if it’s to run by the will of the majority, there’s no need for violence because the majority have already said we’re sick and tired of this and we expect some changes.
I think in Oakland there’s a very specific -- in terms of the violence there, Oakland has a long history of police abuse, of how the black community has been treated. They just have one of the worst -- I mean, literally, it’s almost in the DNA of how Oakland is structured in terms of their city hall and their police. And it doesn’t seem to matter who the mayor is. They just can’t deal with this basic problem. So I think that had a lot to do with it.
Amazing. "Oakland has a long history of police abuse, of how the black community has been treated...it’s almost in the DNA of how Oakland is structured."
How totally absurd. So the rioting at Occupy Oakland the past few weeks is a function of a BART police officer fatally shooting a black man on New Year's day a few years ago? Is that what you see in that video above?
But it got worse:
MOORE: But you’re also going to have groups that come in wanting to co-opt this movement, whether it’s slick politicians that’s want the endorsement of what they think is a liberal Tea Party, or anarchists and others who don’t like the non-violence approach and want some form of violence.
But my experience, and I’ve been around since the anti-Vietnam War days, is that generally - I told the crowd this over at Denver here just an hour ago - if you see someone trying to incite violence, start with the assumption that that person is an undercover homeland security or cop or whatever because this is the history of America, where those in charge have tried to ignite people, incite them to commit acts of violence. And I tell them don’t be incited. But just assume right away that person is not part of the occupy movement if that’s what they’re calling on people to do.
So those folks on Thursday destroying public property were incited to do so by undercover DHS officials or cops? Does that include this miscreant?
Is she an undercover DHS official or cop?
I'm not sure which is more disgraceful, the behavior of these people that are beginning to tear apart America's cities or media members like Moore who are not only cheering them on but also blaming law enforcement for the destruction they're causing.
Is this going to be the modus operandi of the press in the coming weeks and months as these protests become more and more violent?
So not only will the most successful people in our nation be accused of causing all that ails our country, law enforcement officials are going to be blamed for the ensuing riots.
Are these people responsible for anything they do?
*****Update: Big Hollywood's John Nolte noted Thursday that Moore tweeted about this very subject.
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To be perfectly honest, it
Submitted by Nutjob on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 11:52am.
To be perfectly honest, it wouldn't surprise me if cops are going "undercover" and sparking some of these riots.
During the G20 in Toronto, there were a few documented cases (I'm short on time and can't look them up) where undercover cops were trying to incite violence and the protesters discovered them.
With that said, I'd say the vast majority of the riots are started by actual OWS protesters, but there's probably a few cases in which the police created the spark.
And Michale Moore is still a bluthering idiot.
Nutjob
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:09pm.
Yeah, police often cause riots that put them in danger of physical harm and then bad press./sarc off
I'd like to see some proof of such a thing.
Troll alert!
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:58pm.
Trying to plant the seed of doubt trolljob?, 28 weeks and this is your first post? Hit the road loser.
I would not put that past
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:01pm.
I would not put that past Obama to have his people stir up the pot. His people are in DHS and other lofty positions. The type of behavior OWS is using is right out of the pages of the Alinsky book. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf and he delivered what he wrote. It didn't matter people did not take it seriously, that was their fault.
Best be careful, Moore
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:02pm.
Better be careful, Moore-on, you could find yourself a target of a drone attack if you keep accusing the Soetoro administration of causing problems, even if you might be right.
-Jon
oh yeah, hit that penthouse
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:06pm.
oh yeah, hit that penthouse in NYC. love to see it. lol
any time I hear the name Michael Moore, I always think back to Ghostbusters movie when the marshmellow man appeared. what a mess he made when he exploded.
Michael Moore
Submitted by oldfart on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:36pm.
We don’t have to worry about that. When he dies the undertaker will give him an enema and bury him in a match box.
Check out Moore on the South Park Episode
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:09pm.
It's the first pic in the link. Too bloody funny!
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Gonna have to look for it
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:25pm.
I forgot they were running some new episodes. Gonna have to check that out. But those pics, oh man!
Surprising that the creators said some stuff about Soetoro, guess they are getting tired of being looked at as the bad guys or something.
-Jon
Moore's alibis -- straight from Saul Alinsky
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:27pm.
MICHAEL MOORE: ". . . There, everyone I’ve spoken to is committed 100 percent to non-violence."
Well, then it must be so. Moore ought to talk to some of the self-proclaimed leaders of OWS.
MOORE: ". . . This is the majority. This is a majority movement."
Says who? The OWS organizers and the MSM parrots.
MOORE: ". - in terms of the violence there, Oakland has a long history of police abuse, of how the black community has been treated. They just have one of the worst -- I mean, literally, it’s almost in the DNA of how Oakland is structured in terms of their city hall and their police. And it doesn’t seem to matter who the mayor is."
Check the DNA of the Oakland police chief and members of the police force. They are black.
MOORE: ". . . But you’re also going to have groups that come in wanting to co-opt this movement, whether it’s slick politicians that’s want the endorsement of what they think is a liberal Tea Party, or anarchists and others who don’t like the non-violence approach and want some form of violence.
Or, for instance, the president of the United Steelworkers union, who urged people to occupy bridges and banks. And AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, who in Chicago announced that "we are your (Obama's) army" and "Let's take 'em out."
MOORE: ". . . But my experience, and I’ve been around since the anti-Vietnam War days, is that generally - I told the crowd this over at Denver here just an hour ago - if you see someone trying to incite violence, start with the assumption that that person is an undercover homeland security or cop or whatever because this is the history of America, where those in charge have tried to ignite people, incite them to commit acts of violence. And I tell them don’t be incited. But just assume right away that person is not part of the occupy movement if that’s what they’re calling on people to do."
Nobody buys it, Moore. The Department of Homeland Security has no stake in OWS, and Holder's Justice Department is sympathetic.
Like it or not, Moore, the violent provocateurs are mixed in with non-violent one for the primary purpose of triggering violence in front of cameras.
I have my doubts that their
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:30pm.
I have my doubts that their is any undercover DHS or cops. If Obama or the liberal left wanted to discredit any group, why not the Tea Party? Why were their no violence or arrests at Tea Party events? Why wouldn't Obama use these OWS protests to bolster his agenda to further socialism in this country? I think the violence is coming from OWS protestors and not some outside influence. Or does some nutty conspiracy theorist want to blame Tea Party people infiltrating or some Republicans causing trouble? The most logical is that some OWS protestors are causing the trouble.
of course they suspect false flag operations
Submitted by UndercoverConse... on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:46pm.
it's what they would do, and what they have done. What is it they say about paranoia? that you're afraid other people are like you?
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Who would she call if she was getting a whooping?
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:47pm.
I would like to meet that woman with the cop killer sign and tell her 'I am going to assault you, just because I know you won't call the cops.' and I would then punch her in the nose.
Well, maybe I wouldn't, but I sure would like to.
remember the 'peace flotilla'?
Submitted by jazzact13 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:07pm.
This supposedly peaceful, nonviolent group was actually trying to sneak weapon to the Palestinians. When Israel wouldn't let them through, with of course the resulting confrontation, the libs went into spin-mode--if weapons are found, Israel planted them.
http://blog.sojo.net/2010/06/02/nonviolence-and-the-gaza-freedom-movement/
How is the official story being manipulated? By conducting its own investigation before allowing any foreign journalists or authorities to participate, Israel is seeking to ensure that its version of events is the only version. The Israeli government has already been hurriedly trying to explain its own violence with allegations that the activists were armed and intent on delivering materials meant to be weaponized. If Israel were to plant weapons on the scene after the fact to distort the investigation, it would only be following the U.S.’s example in Iraq. Since this incident took place in international waters, involving people from around the world, a truly international investigation should take place immediately.
And, of course, weapons were found.
There is nothing new in this--they claim one thing, act like the opposite, and blame those who expose them for the truth coming out.
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Yeah, the "peaceful" protesters.
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 5:12pm.
Like these, raising the specter of cyber-stalking of police officers and their families?
Yeah, they're just exercising their first amendment rights.
I can't tell...
Submitted by Kaleidoscopic God on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:50pm.
Is Michael really that stupid, or is he a liar? Or maybe a combination of both?
Moore dances to whatever tune
Submitted by sfcpete on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 9:12pm.
Moore dances to whatever tune is played by the Marxists (Obama, Pelosi, Reid, or Soros) if anyone expresses a wish to destroy the Republic Moore is their "champion". He may be a multimillionaire but he's still worthless.
"Moore dances...."Whew. I
Submitted by celator on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 9:46am.
"Moore dances...."
Whew. I thought it was just another earthquake making the dishes rattle and the dog howl.
Kent State
Submitted by Mike009 on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 9:31am.
Accusations of infiltration sound more like projection. Tea Party rallies were infiltrated by outsiders with fake racist signs in order to "expose" Tea Party racism.
What's more likely is the OWS organizers are throwing bottles at the cops, hoping for another "Kent State." They want a protester to be killed so the image becomes a poster for the movement. Those idiot OWS protesters don't even realize they're being used as cannon fodder.
Moore is a liar & a fool. The
Submitted by jessieH on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 9:41am.
Moore is a liar & a fool. The self proclaimed 99% knows nothing but violence. I have watched a lot of footage about these nutjobs. Out of 300 million people, they barely make up 3%. Moore is using the sheeple, probably to make another moronic movie.