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By NB Staff | July 9, 2011 | 11:10
For general discussion and debate about politics, the economy, sports, or whatever else tickles your fancy.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:52pm.
Take that NB!
- Grump :o)
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:57pm.
Yep, the $7/hr government agent child molesters really went and did this.
Vote for the American in November
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 5:15pm.
Welcome to my world, where every single children's book has to be scanned for propaganda before being checked out of the library. This is why we generally stick with the classics.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:05pm.
It seems Michelle Bachman thinks so. I am a Michelle Bachman fan, but I don't agree with her signing this pact
This pact says blacks had more of a chance to be raised by a mother and father during slave days than the present time
On top of that the pact condemns gay marriage, pornography, quickie divorces and co habitation
I am hoping she wins the nomination but her signing this is a turn off for me
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:09pm.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:13pm.
No i don't
"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President."
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:20pm.
That doesn't mean a damn thing close to what you suggest that it would be better to go back to the slave days.
And she left a line out, it should be followed with "Assuming it isn't one of thousands that are being aborted on a regular basis."
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:22pm.
I said better off as a family unit.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:31pm.
You said "Better off as a family unit WHEN THEY WERE SLAVES."
You implied in your subject line that she was trying to say they were better off as slaves.
Don't try to deny it, those are your words. Just scroll up, you can't edit that back.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:38pm.
This is your accusation
"That doesn't mean a damn thing close to what you suggest that it would be better to go back to the slave days."
Being better off as a family unit is not even to saying better off in the slave days
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:48pm.
You can twist it every which way you want to, but it was your subject line that implied it.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 2:18pm.
I still don't get your logic. You twist worse than Brokaw.
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:30pm.
Black babies are aborted far in excess of their percentage of the population. Lyndon Johnson and Margaret Sanger have done more to destroy the black family in America than Jefferson Davis.
As to what effects it had on learning capability and all-around social adjustment, you have the comparison of a modern day academic, Cornell West, and another that was born in 1860. I know which one I'd rather have teaching my children.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:36pm.
That Cornell West guy is just a right blithering idiot.
I wonder when it started that blacks were being taught not to be responsible, that they didn't have to answer to anyone, that the White Man was still trying to keep them down? People like Jackson and Sharpton have fomented that kind of thinking for years, but when did it start? After MLK was killed? MLK was the visionary who would have taught people to be proud of themselves and to help their fellow man, but Jackson and Sharpton instead taught people how to be divisive.
This came out even more strongly just after DuhOne got elected. How many times have we seen black people go around saying "ok, now you're gonna work for us" or "now we can do whatever we want" and more idiotic statements like that.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:53pm.
Does this look like a blithering idiot to you?
You, Sir, are raciss.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:20pm.
Considering the word "blither" is related to "blather" and another person I can think of is Eleanor Clift where she says "I stopped talking several minutes ago" but kept blathering on like a blithering idiot, yeah, I guess I'm a racist.
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:33pm.
with that statement? I don't know whether the black parents during the mid 19th century were married or not, but while WaPo states "out of wedlock" the subject statement -as you noted above- does not.
Additionally, if, as the research suggests is true, 70% of black babies born today are to single mothers, wouldn't you think that would be a greater percentage than during the days of slavery? That seems pretty reasonable given what we were all taught about the black family unit during those times.
However, it appears that passage has been removed from the "Final Version" making that particular part of the WaPo piece moot.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 2:40pm.
I think the thing that bothers me most is the social issues aspect. The pact is not just saying anyone the signs it disagrees with gay marriage, they are saying homosexuality is wrong, cohabitation is wrong, pornography is wrong
I respect individual freedoms and hopefully these are just her opinions and she will not try to use her power as President to change us
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 3:14pm.
it's a religious organization. They're saying homosexuality is a choice, marriage should be between only a man and a woman, cohabitation is not as strong as marriage and allows for easier escape (which can have devastating effects for children) and pornography exploits women. These aren't exactly surprising positions and are held in whole or in part by a large swath of the country.
Additionally, social values are a characteristic worth evaluating among our prospective leaders having the courage of your convictions is a significant measure of leadership. Agree, or disagreeing with those convictions is your choice, and you can vote your conscience based upon these, other aspects, or a combination of elements that make up the candidate.
Finally, Congress makes the laws in this country. The President can certainly propose the direction of legislation, but unless he or she has a majority in Congress, that direction would likely fall on deaf ears.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:15pm.
I do not agree with gay marriage, but I would not sign anything saying being gay is wrong or cohabitation is wrong or divorce is wrong. A large segment of her voters are guilty of these things she condemns
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:24pm.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:51pm.
Tell everyone how you are going to ignore me and you are the only that still talks to me, but it bothers you when others respond to me. Thank you locking my thread. Not sure what you think is A gotcha from what i said, but I'm sure you think you have something.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 5:07pm.
It's like you're inside my head, or a fly on the wall, or sumpin'. I didn't know my keen distress was so apparent.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 6:14pm.
Sort of like you saying I am defending gay marriage right
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 9:54pm.
No one can see what you said if you cover your eyes and pretend it isn't there.
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 2:34am.
.......along with all the other links you have of me defending gay marriage. Not only are you the most important person on NB, you just have to say something and it magically becomes fact.
Btw, I rarely respond to any of your posts, but you like to respond to mine even when am talking to another poster like piggybacking. I had no idea there was a Mrs Shy.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 3:57pm.
Shawn is now defending gay marriage and the homosexuals because he fears that his precious no-strings-attached nookie and pron will be next.
"First they came for gay marriage--because I didn't want to catch for a dude, I said nothing. Then they came for the queens--but blue eyeshadow makes my skin break out, so I said nothing. Then they came for the desperate floozies and the men who lust impotently after them, and there was no one left to speak up for me."
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:08pm.
At least some people that dont agree with me at least tell the truth. First of all I never defended gay marriage today or any other day because I don't believe in it, I also said I am am a Bachman fan and pulling for her.
It would be nice if you can get your point across without making false accusations.
You're a danger to the rug when you get worked up.
The pact is not just saying anyone the signs it disagrees with gay marriage, they are saying homosexuality is wrong, cohabitation is wrong, pornography is wrong
Your complaint here is that homosexuals, cohabitation, and pornography are being lumped in with gay marriage. Ergo, you won't throw in your lot against gay marriage as long as the things you like are entwined with it. You admit as much just above this comment. You're speaking up for gay marriage by default, lest you and your fellow bawds be next.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:45pm.
Not getting worked up. Just wanted to point out I have spoken out against gay marriage because it involves changing laws but I won't tell people what the do in their personal life Is wrong if it does not hurt others.
Nice try bru, I know you really enjoy telling people to stop laying turds or how stupid they look, but perhaps you might want to look at your own false accusations and style of debate if you want to reflect on your own stupidity.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 5:05pm.
Please link to this rhetorical brilliance you attribute to me.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 6:16pm.
I a least make an effort to back up what I say. I could not find one where you told somebody to stop turds. But here is one talking about smelling a giant turd. Too bad when you make accusations all you have is you interpretations and opinions
"2. You can keep up the innocent act and hope no one smells that giant turd you laid in the middle of the floor."
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 9:53pm.
I just don't have the time to go back through all my fabulous smackdowns and link them for people to savor all over again.
Nice to know they bother you so little that you have them memorized.
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 12:21am.
Also please do not flatter yourself, they don't bother me I just like to back up my points when asked for a reference. However looking at the link I referenced you sure seemed bothered ;-)
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:55pm.
"hopefully these are just her opinions and she will not try to use her power as President to change us"
Bachmann doesn't have a chance in hell of beating Obama.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 5:01pm.
The economy is a mess right now.
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:25am.
It does not make it moot because they apologized for it and Bachmann is distancing herself from that verse
People usually apologize when they feel they are wrong or in damage control.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:16pm.
So the bogus potus says he was canceling his trip to Montana because of the debt talks this weekend. Yeah, he canceled his trip, but he didn't cancel his intent to go SOMEWHERE. He went to Camp David.
Oh yeah, he took Valerie Jarrett with him. Can't seem to get too far away without her.
Oh yeah again, he talks about political sacrifices in these "negotiations" which according to Boehner, they aren't coming together. What a putz.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 2:50pm.
Pelosi is asking the Reps where the jobs are? They need to turn this back around and ask her where they went over the 4 years they ruled.
I don't look for the July numbers to be any better. I don't know about other states but there were about 3000 state jobs in this state that were lost this month.
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 8:05pm.
the president needs to realize that Eric Holder needs to be removed from the Department of Justice . . .
Does this make West a racist??
Even more interesting: if Obama fires Eric Holder, does that make him a racist?
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 8:44pm.
Yep, and the repubs who voted to confirm that sleazy slimeball should be tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail.
That crook was a known quantity long before Obama nominated him as his flying feces deflector.
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 8:51pm.
And not likely. Holder has crap on O'nitwit.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 10:22pm.
I usually like how he thinks, but I guess he doesn't want to approach the idea that O'Bambi might be just as complicit if not more so than Holder in the Furious case, for whatever reason.
There's no way in hell that it doesn't go to the top in this, especially if the DHS was involved as well as the ATF. Three cabinet leaders wouldn't arbitrarily decide to do something on their own at the same time, not in this bogus administration.
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 8:50pm.
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 9:43pm.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEBT_SHOWDOWN?SITE=AP&SECTION=... (AP) --
House Republican budget negotiators have abandoned plans to pursue a massive $4 trillion, 10-year deficit reduction package in the face of stiff GOP opposition to any plan that would increase taxes as part of the deal.
House Speaker John Boehner informed President Barack Obama Saturday that a smaller agreement of about $2 trillion was more realistic.
In a statement issued Saturday evening, Boehner said: "Despite good-faith efforts to find common ground, the White House will not pursue a bigger debt reduction agreement without tax hikes."
So he thinks $2 trillion will fly without tax hikes? Right.
$4 trillion in cuts over 10 years is massive? Right.
The $14.3 trillion debt is massive. Obama's earlier this year $3.73 trillion budget proposal is massive. Obamacare is massive. All the spending Congress has done in the last two years alone is massive!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 10:25pm.
2 trillion? Why not just make it a GD dollar, it's going to have the same result.
What a joke. Boehner's spineless. Ain't no kind of pasta (or Ramen!) that's firm enough to get him to fight back! Penne, Linguini, Angel Hair, bow tie, pick your favorite pasta, that's all in Boehner's spine.
Submitted by ricklail on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 9:13am.
Do you know where they throw the backbones out from people like Bonehead? When I went to supervisor school they had a cove in the lake where they threw ours.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 9:55am.
I'd try the Potomac. It's so full of crap anyway....Would explain the "intersex" fish life in there.
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 11:52am.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 12:36pm.
This is a new red letter warning I just got for replying to a, freshly banned spammer...
Fast work!! Just as I was going to link 'em to this Forum thread. /p>
Bye bye spammer off to Access Denied land... lol
You Didn't Build That.
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 12:46pm.
It's MidAmerica's fault (well, it was the last time!).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 12:49pm.
Not sure if you were replying to the same one I was, but I had to update my comment to indicate that I wasn't replying to the comment directly above mine -which is from Jer- as my comment remained indented. Jer, to my knowledge, is neither a spammer, nor does he speak through an internet translator. lol
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 1:10pm.
Just a few minutes ago...before I could post my reply, that unique red message popped up, preventing my post from being posted..The odds of ever seeing that message again are extremely low.
I'm guessing you were just a few seconds ahead of me...
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 2:28pm.
I guess like addicts, the TSA did not only cease and desist "examining" kids, but they did it twice to a 6-year-old boy. So this is molestation, pure and simple.
This was a family that was going to Disneyland and after the second search, the boy says he didn't want to go to Disneyland anymore.
TSA Molests Boy
This is a 2 minute video. You know it's a kid's dream to go to Disneyland or Disneyworld, but it was heart-breaking to hear that he didn't want to go because of that illegal action. If I had been the father, I wouldn't care if I get arrested, I would have gotten violent on them for touching my kid like that. I don't know why more parents don't except that they seem to be getting trained to accept this sort of boorish outrageous behavior.
GD Pedophiles and pervs. This keeps happening time and time again even though Pistole swears they will stop. That SOB needs to be arrested and charged with molestation even if he wasn't doing it himself, he's not doing anything about it either.
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 7:16pm.
I know that most people here don't pay much attention to soccer...........and a few of them have said some derogitory things about it also, although I know a few people on NB who are fans. Anyway - great game this morning - I was up at 5:30 AM Hawaii time to catch the women playing mighty Brazil in Dresden, Germany. It was a super game, in spite of some very dubious officiating and Brazilian theatrics (the 'samba' queens ARE 'drama' queens!!!).............and, believe it or not, the crowd - which was very mixed, was CHEERING for the USA!!!! The same people who, supposedly, look upon the USA as 'not grown up', and 'evil', and 'imperialistic', and..........bla bla bla!!!
And the ladies played their okoles off - even with only ten 'men' (that was a quote from one of the players, so go gripe to her about bigotry, all of you PC idiots!!!) - and managed to tie the game with just seconds left, and then sent the Brazilians home by winning in penalty kicks at the end!!! And the 'mixed' crowd gave them a stading ovation!!!
And the players, and commentators, after the game, were talking about the 'American spirit'!!! Can you believe this??? Hard work, never-say-die, find a way to win, don't give up................................. I expect Boy Blah-Blah to have something to say about this win, and he'll surely use 'I', and 'me', and 'my', and 'mine' a few times in his statement.....
By the way, goalkeeper Hope Solo - who is a world-class goalkeeper - is also a world class BABE!!!!!!!
GO USA on Wednesday!!!! Beat France!!!
Submitted by Dan Diego on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 10:11pm.
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