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By NB Staff | March 19, 2011 | 10:07
For general discussion and debate about politics, the economy, sports, March Madness, or whatever else tickles your fancy.
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:33am.
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:43pm.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:20pm.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:50am.
ESPN has been slobbering all over itself because the Ice Cream Emperor* went 29-3 in his tournament picks. There is something that the MSM is not telling. He also filled out the brackets for the woman's tournament choosing UConn to win it. I wonder why they didn't tell that part of the story. Would it have been too much for the country if they knew he had dilly dallied around on the women's bracket?
*Ice Cream Emperor- Heard that one on Cam and Company last night. It fits.
Blame It On RIO If he was making a diplomatic visit to South America why did he take
Aunt Esther, the kids and Aunt Esther's mother?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:23pm.
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:50am.
An funny yet alarmingly surreal look at the BHO presidency by Mark Steyn. Worth the read on multiple levels.
Submitted by Blonde on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:02am.
Mark surely has a way waith words.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 1:48pm.
One of the most racist things I've ever heard, from our "post-racial" president:
“As time passes, you start taking it for granted that a guy named Barack Hussein Obama is president of the United States. But we should never take it for granted..... (emphasis mine)
Translation: unless I get re-elected, America is STILL a racist country
I'll have to go back and read the rest of it....that's as far as I got, and my head exploded.
I can hear him now, on the campaign trail....
They'll try to frighten you again....
They will say OK, we've had a black president, that's enough.
They won't say it, excdept in code words, but the message wiil be: see, we told you a black guy wasn't up for the job.
The possibilities are endless....
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:17pm.
exercises in stretched logic I've ever encountered as evidenced by your torqued inference of racism which the dogged Obama critic, Mark Steyn--who penned the article--doesn't remotely suggest in the course of his reporting the remarks. In case you missed it, even Glenn Beck retracted and apologized for his "Obama hates white people" pronouncement. You've reached into an empty well on this occasion, motherbelt.
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:46pm.
every single time you attempt to transmogrify a genuine lying pos like Obama into some type of political superman who rolls clarion pearls of wisdom off his forked tongue.
Submitted by CO2Maker on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:00am.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:50am.
I watched an episode of Sin and Secrets on the ID channel about the disappearance and murder of Girly Chew*. Her husband was a big time con man. She found out about him and had to be eliminated. He enlisted this woman that was big into aliens. He convinced her that he was a good alien sent here to save the world. Linda Henning was so wacked out she believed that every one in leadership in DC was a reptilian alien in a human body out to ruin the US. This was 1999. This was a true story. Anyway Girly's con man husband and Henning killed her.
While I was watching this my mind keep thinking, you know this might not be that far fetched. The Ice Cream Emperor is an alien hailing from parts unknown and we know he is out to ruin the US.
*Go past the Spitzer stuff on the link to find the story.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:35pm.
a great theme for a TV show about law enforcement. And what they deal with.
Oops, never mind, CSI did that a couple of years back. I wondered at the time, where they got the story line. At first, I thought it was just the whacked-out mind of a script writer. Then I remembered some of what I dealt with, and heard, in my career in law enforcement. Nothing is too weird, or far-fetched.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:33pm.
Remember when Ronald Reagan bombed Gaddafi just because he pissed him off? Our planes had to fly a long route from England because the French would not allow us to overfly their territory. No talk, just action.
It really got Mo Mo's attention for the most part for the next decade or so.
Flash forward till today with all that Hope and Change. We are FOLLOWING the French (maybe) as they take the lead in a military action! I mean, that's like coming in as runner up to Helen Thomas in a beauty contest.
Meanwhile, Bambi and the Clydesdale are vacationing in Rio with the kids and calling it work. On second thought, that's probably better than him getting involved in the Middle East again.
For the first time in my adult life, I am embarrassed to be an American.
Submitted by Blonde on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:46pm.
I think it was the second time we were in Costa Rica, I met a lovely Honduran woman. She and her family had fled during the whole Zeyala crisis. She couldn't understand how America was not supporting the law, rather was supporting a wannabe dictator. I was truly embarrassed. Nothing has changed, Obama, Hillary, and Biden continue to ham handedly bungle everything they touch.
2012 can't come soon enough for me.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:00pm.
Did you ever think in your wildest dreams that this country would come to this?
I actually find myself apologizing to my kids for letting this happen! I also keep reminding them that they are young enough that they will have to live with this for a lifetime if it doesn't get fixed, and soon, while I won't be around long enough to see the full effects of the disaster for the world if it continues.
I actually had to take a little break from this site to get my attitude right again. I was approaching liberals (I do know a few) with such a belligerent attitude that I decided I needed to back off a little. So I read a few books, chased a few fish, and decided "the hell with that!" I liked the belligerent me better!
You keep pushing Allen West. We need more politicians like him and Super Mario. Aside from that, you have a great Spring and summer, and try to keep your power dry.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 5:14pm.
during the previous administration. I explained to my son that Presidents deserve our respect, but, being human, they too are prone to mistakes, even if Bush--a good man trying his best--seemed to be making more than his fair share.
Consequently, my son maintains a positive outlook with respect to our political system and, despite the challenges facing us and the differing views on meeting those challenges, a belief in the commitment of our elected representatives of both parties to act in the best interests of the nation.
I hope your kids don't become too cynical.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:36pm.
Setting aside politics and Obama-bashing momentarily, congratulations to your Gators [and Kentucky as well] for restoring a measure of credibility to SEC basketball this afternoon after my two Tennessee teams and UGA made a mess of it.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 5:35pm.
Do you think at the end of next week that Bruce Pearl will still be in Knoxville?
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:13pm.
My guess is--and it's definitely just a guess--is that he will be gone. I don't believe it's a foregone conclusion by any means. He has been enormously popular with the fans, and I think the majority still support him although there has understandably been some significant erosion.
He really wants to stay, and listening to his emotional post-game remarks yesterday, I confess to feeling sympathetic toward him. But getting blown out by 30 in the first round with an embarrassing second-half collapse certainly didn't help his cause. And his offense [Pearl's transgression, not his team's shooting, although that was horrible too] was so egregious that I think the administration believes its hand may be forced to wield the axe.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:35pm.
I've heard all day on ESPN radio that if the AD doesn't get rid of him the NCAA is going to drop the hammer on Vols b-ball. They are still looking into things with Lame Kitten and the football program. By the way there were 3 teams from Tennessee in the tourney. Belmont was there. There is a music professor there that I graduated from HS with.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:53pm.
Actually 4 including Memphis, but I was referring to TN and Vandy because they are the schools I attended. The seeding committee sure hasn't done Vandy any favors the past couple of years. Last year they were a 4 seed and lost by a hair to a vastly underrated 13 seeded Siena which then clobbered Villanova, and this year lost a heartbreaker to an excellent 12 seeded Richmond which just won their second round game.
[And you and ESPN are probably right about NCAA lowering the boom.]
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:58pm.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:33pm.
The folks in West and Middle Tennessee have always been a bit uneasy with East Tennessee because so many of its mid- nineteenth century inhabitants joined the ranks of the Northern aggressors.
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:41pm.
Would that be Kentucky and Louisville?
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 8:22pm.
scout.com ranked '09 class #1, '10 class #1, and '11 class [so far] #1--best power forward in the country, best strong forward in the country, best point guard in the country.
Downside is the players are so good, a lot of them are 'one and done'--turning pro after freshman year. Consequently, makes it hard to win national championships
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:21am.
"Consequently, makes it hard to win national championships."
With the coach they have, any championships would get vacated eventually anyway, lol.
Submitted by ahusser on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:13pm.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:11pm.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:53pm.
... and THAT pissed President Reagan, Commander in Chief, off!
What I'd give for the good old days when the CinC cared enough about our forces to do the right thing at the right time.
Old Oblahblah gets things screwed up to the max so that when he finally decides to do something, it will insure the maximum damage to our service men and women, as well as our reputation. Then he can whine about how "our reputation" in the Arab world has been damaged by the stupid decisions of his predecessors.
"Why anyone would follow this president, except out of sheer curiosity, is beyond me."
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:21pm.
they were ALL dancing in the streets on 9-11. This would include those who are currently anti-Gaddafi and pro-Gaddafi alike.
Let 'em kill each other - I wouldn't spend a nickel on any of them or put even one US serviceman in jeopardy.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:31pm.
Kill 'em all let God sort them out.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 1:01pm.
Good grief, they are announcing that they are preparing to do a missile attack on Libya??
For pete's sake, why are warning them, to give them time to get to a hiding place?? Good grief, this is Somalia(I think it was, our soldiers were supposed to be going somewhere but CNN's camera crew was waiting on them to arrive and filmed their arrival) or Waco (the ATF had made an announcement to the news that they were on their way to arrest Koresh before things got out of control and one of his people saw it on TV and warned him on the phone) all over again!
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 1:30pm.
The Libyan thing...
I'm not sure where to come down on this. Not because I'm tired of wars (I'm assuming Obama has figured out how to pay for this- another "unpaid for war" would surely drive the left off a cliff) or unsure whether we should project more strength in the middle east. No, I'm unsure because I -nor anyone else- really have a clue whether the result will be better than the present.
I also don't understand how a collection of armed "rebels" is continually referred to as "civilians" and not "militia". These are citizens of Libya, attempting to forcibly overthrow a sitting -whatever he is. If all of the militias in America banded together and attempted to overthrow Barack, I don't think the NYT would be calling them "civilians" and 'ole would have every right -in my book- to put down the revolution. I suppose, however, that somehow Shiite Muslims are righteous and Col. Daffy is not. But I digress.
And why did we choose to intervene in this crisis and not the others? Some 40 people were shot by police in Yemen yesterday. Do we institute a NFZ there? What about Bahrain? The Saudis have essentially annexed that country; the home of the US Navy's 5th Fleet. No mention of that by the CiC.
Egypt? They're having a referendum today (or tomorrow, I can't remember) that according to one article will set in place the guidelines for future elections and, if the result of the vote is essentially "yes", will prove either by direct evidence or by proxy that the Muslim Brotherhood was behind the revolt.
So here we are. Faced with an entire region populated by the fiercest elements of hatred for America, and we're wildly inconsistent in our entire approach. All the while, there are hundreds of thousands of US Armed Forces personnel in the theater. It's ironic that Sarah Palin called for the establishment of a NFZ weeks ago, and now the US, led by Hillary I've-had-enough-of-this-crap Clinton and Joe the-train-station's-broke Biden in a policy victory over Robert I'm-in-the-wrong-department Gates and Susan can-I-just-go-back-to-Manhattan Rice. I'm inclined to suggest we should stay out of the whole thing since then at least we can say we were consistent during the radical Islamic uprising, rather than look like Johnny-Come-Latelys with no sense of strength or leadership. I also don't think we should be removing assets from our on-going combat ops -if in fact, that's what we're doing.
This president is so thoroughly over-matched in his every move, that even attempts to quell a genocidal dictator seem utterly misplaced. Of course, since the media has chosen sides, we don't really know if genocide is the appropriate word; it does however, help sell newspapers.
Submitted by Blonde on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 1:40pm.
I brought this up earlier, too. What about Yemen, Bahrain, and if it goes (and it will), Saudi Arabia?
I think it's required that Obama notifies the Congress w/in 48 hours of committing troops, and even though we are currently in a "support" role, there are military personnel on those support aircraft and vessels, (are they basing out of any of our bases in Italy?) so to my way of thinking, it's perfectly appropriate for the Foreign Relations Committee to haul Gates, Hillary, et. al. in for some questioning. Because right now, their thinking and their diplomacy is clear as mud.
We shall see. I just wonder where all of the lunatic leftists are with their shrill shrieks of "No blood for OIL!!!".
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:33pm.
The 22nd MEU from Camp Lejeune is scheduled for the their normal deployment to the Med in mid April. I am waiting for them to announce any day that that date has been pushed up.
Submitted by c5then on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 1:50pm.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic
- Roberts killed it!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:02pm.
I think I'll leave the scat jokes alone on this one. ;-)
In all seriousness, I agree with your assessment that it's number 2 and there's a very simple reason why which occurred early on just after the bogus inauguration: The Apology Tour.
Looking at the stuff going on today, it's the result of that apology tour he did in the first half of 2009. Thus began the first steps of diminishing this country in every way possible.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 3:00pm.
Is that a Chrisy Matthews joke?
I'll also take Door Number 2.
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:06pm.
BO went over and bowed down to the Saudi king.
I haven't seen any pics of BO bowing to Kadafi.
The Saudis are calling the shots in their sphere of influence.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:21pm.
But I want it done for 2 reasons. Sergeant Kenneth Ford & Sergeant James Goins. It is all I need.
My only regret. I can't be there to load the bombs myself.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:34pm.
This does not speak to anything you said. Just a nice place to tuck it in.
This President may be late, he might be too late, but I will not let my partisan feelings get in the way of whatever actions he needs to take. I got his back.
Don't forget about Pan Am 103. I hope an errant missile finds its way to where that poor poor guy with the non-deadly prostate cancer lives and whoops, so sorry....
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:53am.
I get both of your examples- the Berlin bombing and PanAm 103. I also get that Qaddafi is just one of hundreds of despot leaders that need to go. But there's two things that bother me about this action specifically:
I'm trying to think of the ther thing he signed off on since January '09 that worked out for the best interests of the United States... I'm hopeful this turns out to be a blind squirrel example, but I just can't bring myself to count on it.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:07am.
Let's not forget. He has the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He has the Pentagon. I just don't think we should let our partisan thinking stop us from having our CinC's back when he finally comes around to acting Presidential for once. We can say, " I disagree with EVERYTHING you have done, but on this one, we got your back." We can say that and still maintain our integrity.
And you are right, we can't take them all out. But we can take out the biggest. And then look around at the crowd and say "Who wants to be next? You? How about you? What about you big man, you want a chunk of us? All right then, let that be a lesson."
The Vet's Doctrine - Speak softly, kinda like Clint Eastwood. Carry a big stick.... And start whomping on some heads with it!
Sadly, no one wants to endorse my run for the Presidency.
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:23am.
Submitted by ahusser on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:04am.
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:43pm.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:02pm.
"Cucumber marinated in vinegar" is now the preferred term.
— This has been a PSA sponsored by Senator Sick O'Libs.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 6:33pm.
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 6:38pm.
"Don't pepper us with pickle references", I'd have picked it up sooner, too.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 6:41pm.
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:12pm.
You DA MAN !!!
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:35pm.
Is Pimples And A Pecker back?
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:40pm.
Although I think he's up to man of thirty-five user names.
I rather like your appellation for the feckless wonder, however.
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:55pm.
Good grief that's a lot of user names!
His next one should be "numbskull" for all the times he's banged his head into the wall trying to match wits with you all.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 6:42pm.
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:14pm.
Submitted by c5then on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:39pm.
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 3:46pm.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:47pm.
approved the first " the use of a floating production, storage and offloading vessel in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico, a move that could help spur the exploitation of distant offshore fields". Guess who owns it? Petrobras. Or, in other words, George Soros. And, where is Ears today?
The oil field is 165 miles off shore to the US, one hell of a lot closer to us, than it is to Brazil. But, that's OK, we'll just keep the moratorium on drilling for US companies that has been declared illegal, and let Soros make money off of it.
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:44am.
I have been posting links at NB for over a year trying to show how this administration/Soros is deliberately destroying the energy economy of this country. If we become dependent on oil from other countries, that basically puts us in third world category. The information about the floating storage facility I posted a few days ago is extremely important to anyone who understands the gulf oil industry. It is the culmination of all of the machinations of this administration of the past two years. This will cripple the US economy and increase our dependence on other countries for our energy supplies. Not to mention safety issues. There was a major oil spill in the Gulf before the DeepWaterHorizon accident. No media will discuss it but it was a tanker collision with a Mexican platform. No one has yet to address the safety issues of this new facility.
Soros sold his shares in PetroBras 6 months into the moratorium. His job was done. Now he is focused on pushing his "green" agenda. He took his billions of dollars invested in oil/gas and has created several investment funds in "green alternative" companies. He is getting directly involved in EPA, SEC,, and other regulatory agencies to alter our current regulations in order to guide the industry toward his newly created ventures. This is the same tactics he used in destroying the economy of Malaysia and destruction of the Bank Of England.
A little old gray haired computer impaired woman in south La can figure this out, why can't those super talented investigative journOlists and media super stars connect the dots as well?
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:50am.
An update to my continuing rant against the destruction of the oil industry.
This will obviously give more leverage to his agenda though this spill just occurred.
Interesting summary of how these new and delaying regulations will continue to multiply
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:03pm.
You really ought to start a Forum thread on this.
Compile your links as a basis for discussion, then we can all add on. That way it will become a resource to all of us when referring to the topic with others. Just like the Health Care Forums have been (alas, the originals are gone, wonder if there's any way to get them back?).
It's a great subject, and all of your great links have been sprinkled through out the pages here. Since you're our resident Palin on all things related to Gulf Oil, I'm nominating you. :)
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:16pm.
Appreciated the reference to Palin ;-). I realize dropping my posts all over the boards is not the best way to share information. However, since I am not quite as techi as some of you guys, creating and following a forum may be more than I can handle. And, to be blunt, I have no interest in dueling with liars and idiots. I'm retired. But thank you for the compliments.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:28pm.
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:31pm.
I really didn't want to "duel with liars and idiots", either....more along the lines of constructive discussion, with the end result being a great reference.
Let me know if you want to do that or not, Ms. Palin the Senior.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:33pm.
Who got dropped overboard? Why is everyone standing around? Hop to it. Sound the Man Overboard alarm. Man your stations. Get a head count. Who was it? Hey, I said hop to....
Oh. dropping posts over the board. Not overboard. Oops.
Someone might wanna call the coast guard and cancel the alarm.
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:50pm.
My following the Messiah's destruction of the Gulf Coast has become more than just a hobby for the retired. I will try to do my part to educate people that this administration is willfully trying to destroy the energy independence this country has always thrived on. This will affect the future of our children and grandchildren. Since they are my concern, guess I am not really retired....;-)
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 1:58pm.
It was the sailor in me. Couldn't resist when I saw dropping over the board.
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:06pm.
Don't worry about me Vet, got me one of these just the other day.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:10pm.
Because we had a real man overboard this morning. Unfortunately, walking the plank don't really count.
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:26pm.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 3:22pm.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 3:38pm.
Pan Am 103
1986 Mar 24, 1986 - On March 24, 1986, US aircraft flying over the Gulf of Sidra were attacked by Libyan antiaircraft missiles and, after initial hesitation in Washington, US aircraft sank several Libyan patrol boats and struck SA-5 missile sites in Libya
Apr 15, 1986 - On April 15, 1986, the United States initiated air strikes against multiple military targets in Libya under the code name Operation El Dorado Canyon to “ inflict damage to Qadhafi's capability to direct and control the export of international terrorism ...On April 15, 1986, the United States initiated air strikes against multiple military targets in Libya under the code name Operation El Dorado Canyon to “ inflict damage to Qadhafi's capability to direct and control the export of international terrorism;” several civilian targets including the French Embassy in Tripoli were also inadvertently hit.125.
I think you are being sarcastic. Shades of the arguments the liberals used when we went in to Iraq. Sometimes it is hard to tell though.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:33pm.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:47pm.
since the Pan Am 103 bombing--two Republican and one Democratic. Were you calling for the liquidation of Gadaffi during those years?
Submitted by NL207 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:16pm.
There has been only one Administration, Obama's, since the Lockerbie bomber was released under false pretenses to Libya.
Recently, on 2-24-2011, this new evidence has come to light:
"LIBYAN leader Muammar Gaddafi personally ordered the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, which exploded over the Scottish town of Lockerbie in 1988, a former Libyan justice minister claims"
The destruction of flight 103 was an official act of war against the United States instigated and marshaled by Libya, not merely a criminal act indirectly sanctioned by the state of Libya. Some folks think this new disclosure is grounds for war.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:37pm.
That there was insufficient evidence during the past 22 years tying Gaddafi to the bombing of Pan Am 103 to justify liquidating his regime, but now that an ex-justice minister has implicated him a casus belli has now--and only now--been established?
And you surely aren't suggesting we should have declared war against Libya because of the improvident decision by Scottish and/or British authorities to release the Lockerbie bomber, are you?
Submitted by NL207 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:17am.
Some folks might think that the emergence of explicit evidence that Gadhafi himself initiated and is directly responsible for this act is different than inferences, suspicions, innuendos, etc. of same.
The underlying points are this :
(1) Obama has sufficient Casus Belli to seek a declaration of war.
(2) What Obama is doing today is exactly the kind of Presidential adventurism his party and liberals at large have accused Bush of. Obama is waging war outside the scope of the law.
(3) He needs to seek a declaration of war or he needs to cease and desist.
(4) Obama is acting against Libya now NOT to defend US interests or punish an external aggressor for an overt act of war committed against the United States and its Citizens. He is waging war on behalf of the UN in support of resolutions the United States did not initiate. It is not even clear he is supporting any vital US interests at all. Obama fancies himself a Teddy Roosevelt. He acts more like James Buchanan, the one man most responsible for the slaughter of the Civil War. This shameful coward must be ejected from office.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:41am.
We signed on to the treaty establishing the United Nations. We are bound by the Security Council resolutions. Not the general assembly resolutions mind you. Security Council Resolutions.
Now if he sends troops in, Congress has to pay for them and he needs to go before Congress within something like 30 or 90 days. But to follow a UN Security Council Resolution does not need a declaration of war I believe. Nor does the President sending troops into a foreign country.
Submitted by NL207 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:59am.
I do not believe we are obliged to wage war on behalf of the UN. Were that the case, it means we have sacrificed our sovereignty to the UN via a treaty. The Constitution does not compel that treaties supercede itself. Indeed, the Constitution places itself above all law, foreign or domestic in this land.
I take it you agree with me about Obama's motivations here being all wrong? He's not acting to protect the vital interests of the United States or its citizens. He is acting only because it supports his internationalist agenda.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:18am.
I was just saying his actions in bombing Libya are legal. We are not obliged to bomb another country just because the UN say we must.
I can't speak to his motivations. No, I don't think it is vital. I do think it is in our interests to get rid of a nasty little dictator and have something better left in his place. Gaddafi did support international terrorism for a long time. Yes, I do think it supports his internationalist agenda in bowing to the world community instead of doing what is good for the United States. I was simply speaking to the legality Sir.
But there is one thing I want to add. Personally. Not in any way speaking to anything you have said. I say the same thing today as I said back at the beginning of 2003 when President Bush went before the world and said Saddam Husein had 48 hours to bug out or the U.S Military will come in and pack his bags for him. I stood in my living room and said this - It is about damn time. I waited 12 years for that. I have waited 25 years for Gaddafi to get his. See my post here stating my 2 reasons for wanting this man dead. Not out. Dead.
Submitted by NL207 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:36am.
You ought to know me well enough by now to know what I would do with Gadhafi were I in power and US Law did not restrain me : I would place him, the Lockerbie Bomber, and any others in the chain of command that conveyed the order to destroy Flight 103 on impalement stakes in front of their local seat of government as a warning to any others with similar ideas. Conceptually, this is similar to the former longstanding practice of hanging convicted pirates on a gibbet at the dockside. In more recent times, the Nazi hierarchy were treated to a rope dance for their handiwork. Gadhafi deserves no less.
As current US Law dictates, I would not be allowed to indulge in such Romanesque methods, albeit, the Romans crucified foreign outlaws who harmed Roman citizens. I would have to be satisfied with simply killing the offenders by military means.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:49am.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:25am.
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:45am.
I suspect you'd hear a whole lot of libs and conservatives making that argument.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 8:18am.
Argument To The Future: arguing that evidence will someday be discovered which will (then) support your point
15 yard penalty.
Submitted by NL207 on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:19pm.
Or are you just an A-hole?
"Libya, a sovereign nation, that hasn't attacked us"
Where were you when this turd, Gaddafi, or however he spells his name, was having his minions blow up Pan Am flight 103?
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:29pm.
I'm pretty sure ckc was being not a little sarcastic.
Vote for the American in November
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:36am.
Submitted by NL207 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:34am.
There are three points here :
(1) We have received RECENT, like in Feb 2011, CONFIRMATION Gadhafi was directly and personally responsible for the 270 murders at Lockerbie. Prior to this disclosure, it has only been conjecture. This confirmation transforms Lockerbie from an international crime to an act of war.
(2) The Lockerbie bomber was sprung from jail under false pretenses by Libya acting in collusion with feckless elements of the British government. He is now residing in Libya.
(3) Gadhafi was the Libyan dictator 25 years ago. Nothing has changed. He is the Libyan dictator today. There is no statute of limitations on murders or acts of war. 25 years means nothing.
Obama has plenty of casus belli. So when he does take military action against Libya, what rationale does he use?? The UN!! He waits for others acting in THEIR self interest to initiate the action then he tags along. Compare this posturing coward to Ronald Reagan.
Message here : we should not be acting today unless we are acting to bring justice to the Lockerbie Bombers, plural. Any other cause such as the regime change others want, will require a declaration of war from Congress. Hint : the hated Bush got one of these for Iraq.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 3:37pm.
Iowahawk has published the Obama brackets.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:50pm.
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:59pm.
Even though there are a number of reasons to justify America's presence in Libya, the burden should be placed on those who have benefited and will continue to benefit from a stable Libya - France, the UK, Germans, and others in Europe. It is Europe who has the most to lose - oil and other trade and business - and it should be Europe doing the lifting on this new Charlie Foxtrot.
Europe has the resources to initiate and maintain a no-fly zone and even invade and depose Gaddafi (or however his name is spelled). The UK has an opportunity to fix their mistake in greed in setting free the Lockerbie Bomber. All these Europeans living off terrorist largess need to snake their own toilet for a change.
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 6:51pm.
One of the original Navajo code takers Lloyd Oliver has died. . For years these men were not recognized for what they did. . He seems to have been one of the few, the proud, the Marines. RIP Corporal Oliver
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:13pm.
....I don't remember. But tonight I caught the 2nd hour of the History channel program called "Reagan" and heard the following:
".....In 1984, the nation was coming out of recession, due in part to Reagan's tax increases......."
What the?!?!? And it moved on. No mention of tax cuts there.
Submitted by ahusser on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:22pm.
Submitted by ThisnThat on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 9:36pm.
"so Anderson Cooper is there to hold them to their word" -- says a CNN advertisement on Thursday evening.
And when has Anderson Cooper ever gone to Wash, DC to hold obama's feet to the fire, and to keep him honest?
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Submitted by Dan Diego on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:24pm.
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:26pm.
...are their government-issued white flags going to be ingested into the engines of our cruise missiles, thus causing them to fall well short of their programmed targets?
Submitted by ThisnThat on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:00am.
"We cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people there will be no mercy," -- referring to Lybia, of course.
Next, then -- specifically, 2002:
"Saddam's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history."
And by the way, where are the ABC, NBC, NYT, etc protests of "war for oil", "baby-killers"? I think I'm about fed up with the hypocrisy -- so thick, you can cut it with a knife.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:07pm.
"Operation Odyssey Dawn?
What's next? "Velvet Glove"?
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:20pm.
Charles Krauthammer on Inside Washington says nuclear power is "dead" in America - Japanese nuclear situation a "disaster of ultimate proportions." This was after the other 3 panelists, all dyed in the wool libs, said that nuclear will continue after the new inspections and required modifications are completed.
See Inside Washington March 19th web broadcast link at about 1/2 way through (just before discussing the potential Republican presidential candidate field - no mention of Herman Cain!)
I forgot who it was that said these types of shows should not have journalists as panelists because their knowledge is low and their opinions negligible compared debating experts in the fields of interest. Krauthammer is the only one with the mind to sit at the table and he fumbles at times. Who in their right mind thinks Shields and Totenberg are experts or worthwhile informants.
No wonder Americans are uninformed unless they dutifully, actively seek out facts from a variety of sources. Pitiful.
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 2:43pm.
It's not getting you out of my dog house, but gotta give you props for the clever comment headline.
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 7:30pm.
The seemingly sour Kraut sounded like he smoked the rope just before the show.
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 6:08pm.
Those that get Fox Business will be have an alternative news and business show at 7:00 Eastern time.
Lou Dobbs Tonight
I'll probably still watch Kudlow on CNBC, but now I have an alternative for the numerous nights that Kudlow has too many communist "business analysts" on his show.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 6:29pm.
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 03/20/2011 - 6:42pm.
I've been listening to some of Dobbs on the radio and catching him from time-to-time when he makes a guest appearance on O'Reily's show. He presents his case well and has the knowledge to back up his economic arguments, which is more then can be said for BOR.
I'm going to check out his show.
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