Evan Thomas: Enough Justices Think ObamaCare Won't Work To 'Throw It Out'
As NewsBusters reported in January, Newsweek's Editor at Large Evan Thomas believes ObamaCare "is a disaster."
On Friday's "Inside Washington," Thomas went even further with his criticism of this law calling it a "flawed bill" and claiming, "I think enough justices perceive that it’s not going to work, that will incline them to reach this high constitutional principle and throw it out" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
EVAN THOMAS, NEWSWEEK: It’s, it’s a flawed bill. I mean, it does good things. It does help people who were denied insurance, but it has a fundamental flaw in it, which is that it doesn’t deal with the underlying problems of the healthcare system, because they, Congress ducked on the big issue of…
NINA TOTENBERG, NPR: But that’s not the constitutional issue.
GORDON PETERSON, HOST: But the question is, is it unconstitutional in ordering people, demanding that people buy health insurance? Is that unconstitutional?
MARK SHIELDS: I am not a lawyer and I’m not going to play one on television, but it, it’s, it isn’t asking people to buy a Ford automobile or to buy a Sony television, or demanding that they do it. It is saying you buy this, in fact that judge in Florida acknowledged that the bill and the law depends upon the mandate. Without the mandate, that the law does not work.
PETERSON: Right.
SHIELDS: But, what it is saying is you buy this because it’s in the public good. It’s going to prevent early illness, early death. It’s going to prevent widespread illness and suffering, and that’s the purpose of it.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: Yeah, but that doesn’t answer the constitutional issue.
TOTENBERG: No.
KRAUTHAMMER: Of course it’s in the public good, or it wouldn’t have been attempted in the first place. But the Constitution says there are some things in the public good that the Congress cannot do because we have the limited government and powers are restricted. And the question is, is this over the line? The view I have is that the Commerce Clause has been expanded for 80 years, and there's now a sense in the country, interestingly over the last two years I think in part as a push back against Obama and the liberal agenda over the last two years, which says it isn’t only that the law is inefficient or that it’s going to bankrupt us, but there is something wrong about extending the power of the federal government to compel you to enter into a contract with a private entity, i.e. an insurance company, and to argue that if you allow this, then there are no limits whatsoever on what the Congress can actually order an individual to do.
PETERSON: Does that give you a hint to which way they’ll go?
TOTENBERG: No, but, here I’m just, I think this quote sort of summarizes it all. Charles Fried, who was solicitor general during the Reagan administration, said on television, "I sat at counsel table attacking the Violence Against Women Act as a violation of the Constitution, because as odious as it is to slap a woman around, I didn’t think it was, it involved the economy and regulation of the economy. But,” he said, “insurance, regulating insurance does involve the national economy and is exactly the kind of thing that the Commerce Clause contemplated.” That’s what he said anyway.
THOMAS: Here’s the thing…
KRAUTHAMMER: Here’s our one lawyer.
THOMAS: Here’s the thing.
KRAUTHAMMER: You are a lawyer.
THOMAS: Yeah, but here’s what I learned in law school: The Supreme Court follows the election returns. They’ll couch it in high, constitutional principle, but in fact, their judgment will be based on the realities of how the act is working or not working. And as I think enough justices perceive that it’s not going to work, that will incline them to reach this high constitutional principle and throw it out.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree.
PETERSON: What I learned in law school: the Supreme Court follows the election returns, Mark.
SHIELDS: He didn’t have to go to law school. All he needed to do was read Finley Peter Dunne who said that in 1896, and that is the truth. I’d say it really is going to come down to one individual in this country of 310 million, and it’s justice Anthony Kennedy. I think we probably know…
KRAUTHAMMER: He is our Mubarak.
SHIELDS: He is. He’s the one who’s going to decide…
KRAUTHAMMER: He decides, he decides everything.
SHIELDS: Four- four, Tony Kennedy, thank you, Ronald Reagan.
THOMAS: And he does follow the election returns.
For the sake of the future of our nation, let's hope so.
On the other, one has to wonder if people like Thomas had called this a disaster and a flawed bill while Congress was debating it, maybe the public would have had even a more negative view of the law thereby forcing their respective representatives to vote against it.
Novel thought, huh?
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It is flawed because it is
Submitted by ricklail on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 6:44pm.
It is flawed because it is uncontitutional. It is unconstitutional because it oversteps the bounds set forth in the 10 Amendment.
along with that point they all debate here
Submitted by dirtydan64 on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 6:48pm.
And the other important point this was flawed from the beginning is everyone was required to pay into Obamacare for 4 years before any benefits were ever paid out !!! that alone is no different than Maddow and his Ponzi scheme of which he sits behind bars. Now if everyone really wanted to fix HC, they would ask all the Doctors, Specialist alike is why should they get paid for each individual patient, when there already at there office, clinic for those 6,8, or 12 hrs per day to begin with ? If a Doctor makes say $200,000 annually working in a Hospital and he see's on average 15-20 patients per day regardless what he may see the, for why should each patient pay that doctor the same money or more in some case's when there's no guarantee for any of his patients if when they receive treatment that same doctor is going to see that patient a second time for free to solve theeoblem he originally seen the patient for in the first place ? hich when you, I or anyone else can go to the store to purchase something rbi gsaid item home find that it's a reject or just broken can return that item for a new one or get our money back. you can't ever do this with a Doctor can you ? any Doctor working for a hospital making $200,000 annually is no different than a person working on a salary at the same rate who may do a different type of job but work is work and the Patients should be able to pick and choose which doctor and should know the cost going in just like going to a Dentist your told the cost up front and you the patient gets to choose which procedure and how many teeth you want pulled, filled, capped ect.. On each visit based on what you can afford.→ NO means NO
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 6:57pm.
It's silly that Elena Kagan, given her belief in at least one cause with which I agree, does not understand, in this instance, that "NO" means "NO".
Will the Court decide we were asking for it when we say NO? How about when the Constitution says NO?"
But then again, I'm hoping the Packer defense can teach Ben Roethlesberger the meaning of the word too.
I can't believe it...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 7:30pm.
I actually agree with Evan Thomas about something?? Amazing.
When did Thomas come to the conclusion that Obamacare was a disaster? Before or after it was passed into law? If it was before, it would have been more courageous of him if he'd gone public with his concerns while this bill was being discussed, before it was voted on and passed. That said, I strongly doubt that would have made any difference whatsoever to Obamacare's passage, and I'm certain that Thomas' objections would have had no impact on the number of people who opposed it and how vociferously they lobbied their representatives against it. The American people were vehemently opposed to Obamacare, which they made extremely clear, and Evan Thomas' public opposition to it would have made no real difference in the end.
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Ronald Reagan's Birth Certificate
Submitted by im41 on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 7:07pm.
Ronald Reagan's Birth CertificateNO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES, NO!
Submitted by Herbster on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 7:31pm.
2,200 pages. I rest my case.
God help us
Submitted by hungarianfalcon on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 7:33pm.
If our freakin' judges actually rule on our laws based on whether they feel they will or won't work rather than the legal aspects of the law.
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Would this be why Thomas is
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 8:36pm.
a publisher of a business that sold for $1.00, and not a lawyer? Because he doesn't understand the law any more than he understands business models?
hhmmmm...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 8:56pm.
I think the sinking ship has one less rat.
dirtydan and piece work pay
Submitted by pockets64 on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 9:00pm.
Either you don't know what you are saying or I don't get you.
It sound to me as though you said that "work is work." Equal pay for equal hours? Is that what you are saying? The guy taking out my trash makes $19K/year for 8 hours work. The same should be good for the guy taking out my appendix, so long as he also works 8 hour days?
That is insane.
And then you go on to not getting the same customer satisfaction guarantee from a doctor as you do from Walmart. Stuff at Walmart is mass-produced. It is easy to say, "Oh! That one did not work? Try another one off the shelf." Each item on the shelf had the same basic history, but some flubs come up. But every person is different. The doctor has no way of knowing what your body has really been through, even with complete history work-ups. No two patients with the same problems are the same. Some respond to a given treatment, others need something else entirely. Medicine, for all the science behind it, is still quite the art.
That is why doctors need a lot of school and experience. That training and experience costs a fortune and is very difficult to acquire. As such, a doctor's time is worth a lot more. A doctor who is very good will see more patients and can charge more. A lousy doctor had to get his income up by charging less and using the cheap rates to drive the patients in.
As a customer of health care, you can choose a good doctor or a bad one. Go with the busy one that doesn't work in the meat shop clinic.
So that was insane, too.
But I do agree that this flawed piece of work (Obamacare) is like a Ponzi scheme.
The Manchurian Mooslim isn't working out as POTUS, either...
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 02/05/2011 - 9:27pm.
...unless you are a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist/Leninist commie with camel-washer leanings.
Maybe it's time to throw him out, too - while there is still time.
If there is still time.
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Sorry CK, but its been a
Submitted by Ashrak on Sun, 02/06/2011 - 12:11am.
Sorry CK, but its been a whole lot longer than 80 years. "and is exactly the kind of thing that the Commerce Clause contemplated." I call huge bovine excrement on that one. Our framers did not see the federal government created to claim authority to micromanage private two party contracts as part of the "national economy". In law school, these cats learned that SCOTUS judges disregard the Constitution? Interesting. How long before they figure out that this is a root cause of problems in this country? These folks are talking about it coming down to one person with the sole power to decide. Our founders are rolling over in their graves right about now because such a thing is cordially accepted as even remotely right and proper. Sad it is.Wow!
Submitted by Frederick Michael on Sun, 02/06/2011 - 2:22am.
The stunning thing about this isn't just Evan Thomas, it's that the whole left wing has shifted from, "There's no way this won't pass court muster," to spinning it's demise.
The Inside Washington gang is pretty good at predicting these things and they acted like the bill was obviously going down in the SC.
Wow. Just wow.
My question
Submitted by ghost of Mary J... on Sun, 02/06/2011 - 8:08am.
How does giving all these waivers to Obamacare NOT violate the equal protection clause? The libs use this for everything they want like abortion.
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I've seen studies that show a
Submitted by Hunter12 on Sun, 02/06/2011 - 10:01am.
I've seen studies that show a glass of red wine every night is good for your heart. Before this gets mandated into any new bill the Democrats come up with, I'd like a chance to buy some Gallo stock.
SHIELDS: But, what it is saying is you buy this because it’s in the public good. It’s going to prevent early illness, early death. It’s going to prevent widespread illness and suffering, and that’s the purpose of it.
If you're going to start mandating things at the federal level because they're good for you, let's start with something a litttle easier to swallow ;<).
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
I could live with
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 02/06/2011 - 10:18am.
That,,, if were limited to just one
I'm shocked...
Submitted by tanstaafl4 on Sun, 02/06/2011 - 12:32pm.
Shocked ! to even remotely agree with something Evan Thomas said.
(I would hope the justices on the SCOTUS do more than follow the election returns and/or the workability of something like Obamacare in finding against it.)
As for the facts of the matter, I would defer to Krauthammer's take, which is my own...
"... it isn’t only that the law is inefficient or that it’s going to bankrupt us, but there is something wrong about extending the power of the federal government to compel you to enter into a contract with a private entity, i.e. an insurance company, and to argue that if you allow this, then there are no limits whatsoever on what the Congress can actually order an individual to do."
I think it's in the same program that Krauthammer shoots down Thomas' recitation of his version of the (Gore-ian) relationship between "global warming" and this damnably cold winter.