Maddow Blames Beck and Other Conservatives for Her Getting Duped by Satirical Website
As NewsBusters previously reported, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday got duped by a satirical website quoting from their spoof article about Sarah Palin advocating an attack on Egypt as if it was a serious commentary.
On Tuesday, proving once again that it takes a lot of rationalizations to be a liberal these days, Maddow blamed her mistake on Fox News's Glenn Beck and other prominent conservatives (video follows with partial transcript and commentary):
In a lengthy segment which began with Maddow bashing conservatives such as House Speaker John Boehner (R-Oh.), former President George W. Bush, and former United Nations ambassador John Bolton, the MSNBCer went after this evening’s real object of disaffection:
RACHEL MADDOW: For some folks, opportunity is always, opportunity is always knocking when it comes to their chosen policies. But for some folks, opportunism is not about pushing for a specific policy. It's about choosing every occasion as the right occasion to push for their favorite idea, for their favorite story. Like for example the idea, the story, that it's the end of the world.
Maddow then played a clip from Monday’s “Glenn Beck” show wherein he spoke about what’s going on in Egypt as being “the coming insurrection.” After its conclusion, she commented:
MADDOW: As opposed to the other times the coming insurrection was upon us, now, the people protesting against Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, now that means that the coming is upon us because China is going to take over New Zealand. Also, the Muslim world is one country now.
More of Monday’s “Beck” was aired, followed by additional comments from Maddow:
MADDOW: Mr. Beck and for others who see a direct ratio between their own success and how afraid they can make their audiences, it turns out that an uprising in Egypt is even better evidence of this being the end of the world than say the last evidence we had, which was President Obama passing Wall Street reform last July.
Yet another “Beck” clip was aired, this one a rant against, as Maddow said, FinReg, followed by more commentary by the MSNBCer:
MADDOW: “Wall Street reform. Your republic is over!” The mainstream Right and Republican Congressional leaders are generally sort of supporting what the Obama administration is doing right now in regard to Egypt and diplomacy. They are being relatively cautious and diplomatic. But to the right of them, within a span of one week, it went from protests on the streets of Egypt to China is going to take over New Zealand. It went from protests on the streets of Egypt to Barack Obama supports the secret annihilation of Israel and so do you. It went from protests on the streets of Egypt to this was all some secret plot hatched by unions.
After more than six minutes of conservative/Beck bashing, Maddow finally addressed her pathetic gaffe from the previous evening:
MADDOW: And if you are wondering, yes, this is all an elaborate excuse slash explanation for us believing that ChristWire.org was something other than satire yesterday.
The clip of her gaffe from Monday was shown followed by:
MADDOW: Yes, those folks asking [Sarah Palin] to invade North Africa it turns out are writers for a satirical website called ChristWire.org, which is really actually very excellent. Props to them for a brilliant piece of satire, shame on us for believing it, but in a world where China taking over New Zealand is what passes for real analysis on the situation in Egypt, how do we know that's not satire, too?
This was followed by a clip of Beck saying, “This is the coming insurrection. This is what I have been warning about.”
And that was Maddow’s explanation for getting duped by a satirical website: in her view, conservatives – especially Glenn Beck – are saying all kinds of crazy things. As a result, it’s become difficult for her to know what’s real and what’s a spoof.
If this is the case, then maybe she should stop reporting on what conservatives are saying.
If she can no longer discern between fact and fiction, serious commentary and satire, she can’t possibly be trusted or taken seriously about anything, for who knows what her next source will be and whether or not it’s actually legitimate.
Maybe more importantly, how can anyone on television – Rhodes scholar or not! – be deserving of the public’s trust if she blames her own mistakes on others not at all involved in her program?
Sadly, this is par for the course on MSNBC as well as other liberal media outlets.
These are the same people that disgustingly blamed conservatives for the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) last month. They’re used to pointing fingers at others without merit.
Nice job, Rach. I knew you'd address your gaffe, but had no idea you'd blame other people for it.
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Comments
Silly girl... Bush did it...
Submitted by Cowboy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:25am.
Silly girl... Bush did it...
No, no...
Submitted by Too Old To Be Cool on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:31am.
...it's Sarah Palin's fault for being the subject of the faux article in the first place.
She missed this comparison.
Submitted by Duff on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:44am.
Anybody notice the direct ratio between Ms. Maddow's success and the number of cluelessly uniformed loonies in her audience.
I too thought she was going
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:44am.
I too thought she was going to throw Bush in there.
That was not a very good segment on her part. It was poorly delivered and her snarky smaile didn't work. She stumbled too many times with her words, written and spoken. It was painful to watch.
She's not as funny as she thinks.
HELP!!
Submitted by neighb on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:53pm.
Will somebody help me out here...
Who is this woman anyway?
No one of any consequence.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:58pm.
No one of any consequence.
In fact, you're better off not knowing who she is.
Wake up!!
Submitted by neighb on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 2:10pm.
Wasn't the meme of this article about a website that uses SATIRE???
Geez, dude.
Yeah, but I think you missed
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 02/04/2011 - 10:58am.
Yeah, but I think you missed my point: Maddow has proved time and time again that she is someone of no consequence (look at her extremely low ratings).
Reminds me of the old three
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:28am.
Reminds me of the old three card Monte game. She makes Beck look like a raving loon, well he does get a bit weird sometimes. I cant really listen to him. LOL is she taking lessons from Obama?
The Devil made her do it.
Submitted by srhoades on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:35am.
Rachel Maddow is the Flip Wilson of the new millineum.
Sorry, sr, but me thinks
Submitted by texasborngranny on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:06pm.
this is an unwarranted slap to Flip.
RM is nowhere as funny as Flip (or Geraldine, for that matter).
But That's Just Me.
Sounds like the handsome ms
Submitted by rightside on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:47am.
Sounds like the handsome ms maddow is laying out a blanket disclaimer, excusing any future snookerings on others.
But But But
Submitted by libfail on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:58am.
She is intellectually honest isn't that what liberals claim?
Mr. Sheppard
Submitted by Mike F on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:05am.
The MSNBC host's explanation was a lesson in deflection to avoid direct responsibility for ones fuax pas. You are right to question, in the future, the MSNBC hosts ability to be taken seriously not for making a mistake, but the inabilty to tell the direct truth and except responsibility.
Most people are understanding when mistakes happen, but a Rhodes scholar to blame political and professional opponents for a mistake of this gravity brings to mind the famous quote by Flip Wilson, "the devil made me do it." seems rather base and shallow and frankly dishonest.
I think the more Maddow runs
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:28am.
I think the more Maddow runs clips of Glenn Beck the better her ratings will get. Pretty soon people will be saying, get that woman off the TV, we want more of that Beck guy!
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"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. -James MadisonHas Rachel "The Snarl" Maddow
Submitted by Van Halen on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:50am.
Has Rachel "The Snarl" Maddow blamed Nixon yet?
Leave Me out of this ,please
Submitted by nixon on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:03pm.
Leave Me out of this ,please . Oh , You mean the other Nixon ....
She should have just done a Gilda Radner and said...
Submitted by Army Brat on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:53am.
Oh...Never mind...!
Come on, Ensign Crusher...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:01am.
...take ownership of your stupidity.
Welsley
Submitted by GW on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:05am.
That's pretty good!
glenn beck?
Submitted by ds7 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:08am.
the only thing a "girl like" rachel could possible share with someone of the magnitude and grace of glenn beck is his barber.
Now I know why they were
Submitted by ant on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:15am.
Now I know why they were saying heated political debate would drive the average American on a violent rampage. Because they are so easily influenced by words, they think everyone else is. Okay, got it.
amateur hour
Submitted by wizardjr on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:02am.
She's merely the iconic libtard news mumbler. They're SUPPOSED to have a show prep crew working for them. Their fact checking is, as always, as shallow as their mentality.
Just Earning Her Combat Pay
Submitted by Boil It Down on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:12am.
Rachael Maddow is doing the exact job for which she was hired. It is no understatement to say that she is mandated by her superiors to oppose, by whatever means, FOX news. This being the first order of business, rather than honest and forthright reporting, causes the people at MSNBC to make these sort of missteps.
If you are too eager to get out there with an attack, you bite on anything so juicy as this fake story and forget to corroborate the facts. The attack is just too vital a part of their operation.
I imagine that a low budget for their research department due to low ratings may be a contributing factor as well.
It's not as though I expect Maddow to be an investigative reporter, I know that is not her role. However, those supposed journalists across the MSM who engage in this zeal for villification are no better than all the attack dogs at MSNBC and that needs to be pointed out to the public.
Winter stinks
Submitted by DemsRFascists on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:26pm.
"Liberals" are a Master Race of superiorly intelligent National Socialists. All of their ideas and policies are of the UTMOST racial purity. Anyone who disagrees with them is obviously, greedy sub-human degenerate racist scum.
Consequently, NOTHING is EVER a "liberal"'s fault...It may be Glenn Beck's fault, maybe Rush Limbaugh. Maybe Bush, Cheney, or Republicans in general. We just need to thank God they haven't devolved to the point where they start blaming everything on the Jews, though, of course, for them, in the Middle East, it's all Israel's fault.
We should pray not only for the mad lesbian, but all "liberals"
In the meantime, beware the Left Wing motto: Do NOT tolerate dissent, National (or International) Socialism, Ueber Alles!
How did she blame Beck?
Submitted by goldwaterfan on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:42am.
At the end, she blamed herself and her staff for failing to distinguish between conservative opinion and satire of conservative opinion. The point was that Glenn Beck has said so many off the chart crazy things the last couple of days, so an off the chart crazy thing posted by someone else might seem plausible. She was wrong, and admitted it. Give her some credit for admitting her mistake.
Amanda Carrington
Goldwater, we will agree that
Submitted by PeskyDane on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:28am.
Goldwater, we will agree that Beck does indeed go off the rails. But her "point" was head-shakingly stupid, and her long-winded excuse that of a child. Not impressed by Oxford if she is representative of the final product.
Oh, I don't know,
Submitted by bretzysdude on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:46am.
Oh, I don't know, yellowwaterfan... oh, wait, I'm sorry, you said not to distort your screen name. So I guess to follow the laws in your own country, I guess I'd better submit...
Oh, I don't know, littlep!ssboy... oh, wait, I did it again... let's try it a third time...
Oh, I don't know, hugeurinehead.... oh, crud... can't do it...
Anyway, sheesh, is she would stop showing clips of Beck in between her commentary in between her saying, "Oh, come on, is that really satire?" (which she actually did), she would be able to have a genuine apology instead of a non-apology apology.
Does your brain now understand it...
GOLDENSHOWERSMAN???
bretzy---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:55am.
If the fan of yellow water is named Amanda, and ain't a he, but a she; maybe there is an affinity there for Rachel M. that is just too deep to be connected up or understood by us plebes.
MD
ZING!
Submitted by DoktorFranken on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:57am.
That would leave a mark if it weren't so very true.
Leftists - Yet more deflection and redirection from the infection of regression.
Pffft...
Submitted by DemsRFascists on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:31pm.
She was wrong, but it was mostly Glenn Beck's fault. If people like him weren't on the air, she wouldn't make mistakes like that, right?
Like most (all, really) "liberals", Ms Maddow makes a living saying "off-the-chart crazy things", infused with a strong subtext of demonization, if not hatred.
Utterly pathetic
Submitted by Injest on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:48pm.
Ahh, that's so sad. We should give her credit for admitting her mistake, she didn't know Christwire was satirize site.
Golly, even though just a couple months ago she, Olbermann and NBC all fell for another Christwire hoax about Boycotting of Bill Murray!
Who did she blame that one on?
She fell for the “Africa” hoax
AP: "MSNBC was the victim of a hoax when it reported that an adviser to John McCain had identified himself as the source of an embarrassing story about Palin. "David Shuster, an anchor for the cable news network, said on air Monday that Martin Eisenstadt, a McCain policy adviser, had come forth and identified himself as the source of a Fox News Channel story saying Palin had mistakenly believed Africa was a country instead of a continent. Eisenstadt identifies himself on a blog as a senior fellow at the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy. "Yet neither he nor the institute exist;
See a pattern here?
They all involve Palin.
They all are obvious hoaxes.
All of the hoaxers were known, documented hoaxers.
She failed to do the basics and verify the story before going to air with it.
She always blames someone or something else for her failures.
Utterly pathetic
It's plausible that Maddow's
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 12:08pm.
It's plausible that Maddow's "crack staff" is referred to as such due to a different definition of the first word.I called it wrong
Submitted by Bob K on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:11am.
Yesterday I predicted that Maddow would admit to being duped and then give a long explanation of why she was right. I was wrong. The very long winded explanation absolving herself of responsibility came first.
Looks like Maddow's research
Submitted by Clemenza on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:40am.
Looks like Maddow's research department is in the ditch . . . . . . licker.
I am not sure....
Submitted by BBallleaper on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:22am.
if any of you have seen a photograph of Maddow's 'man-thing significant other' (in fact after having seen 'it' I'm still not sure which of them is supposed to strap-on what!) but you would surely have to question her mental state after seeing it. Wow, extremely bad judgment on BOTH their parts!
Maddow makes...
Submitted by Toast of the Town on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:47am.
..."Octomom" look like a rocket scientist.
Wow.
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:50am.
This man should be fired.
Rachel Maddow
Submitted by truckinmann on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:26am.
Who's Rachel Maddow? What's an MSNBC? Is MSNBC some kind of new drug that this person Rachel Maddow is on?
Personal Responsibility?
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:37am.
Maddow's dissertation, errrr excuse, simply goes to prove what conservatives have been saying all along: Take personal resonsibility for your actions. Hey Rach, you f*cked up... admit it. How can you blame Glenn Beck for something you said? Next time, try fact-checking before opening your giant pie hole.
I don't let people I disagree
Submitted by Hunter12 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:48am.
I don't let people I disagree with color my judgement other than as a focal point to clarify my opposition and crystalize my thought process. I have been lead astray by people I look up to and admire.
Glenn, I may have just figured out who your secret admirer might be. Did you get a super nice gift from a secret Santa?
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
They Believe
Submitted by pbthinker on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:20am.
No one forces liberals to believe what they do. The fact they can be duped is because of their rabid belief that they are right and everyone else is, not just wrong, but evil too. The fact that MSNBC chooses to have a whole crew of people like that is surprising, being they would liked to be considered a news organization, but they've made their choices and Maddow is one of them.
Just once, I would like to see a liberal show that actually chooses to discuss the issues, on their merits, and not try to make the people that disagree with them out to be evil. The White House didn't want to discuss the Florida ruling on it's merits, it wanted to attack the Judge, call him outside the mainstream, and leave it at that.
It must be a liberal disease.
A liberal show that discusses
Submitted by Hunter12 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:55am.
A liberal show that discusses the issues on their merits, calling in experts from both sides, using real financial numbers and accurate economic predictions to project the outcome of actions and real world effects of the liberal, progressive agenda? That would last one episode and end with the liberal hosts and experts either slitting their wrists or converting to conservatism. I haven't had a decent argument or debate on any major issue with a liberal in years that haven't led to either a concession to my point or an attack on my personality. Let's face it, the liberal agenda isn't about the truth, it's a consolidation and perpetuation of power.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
when one opens mouth-
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 10:23am.
be sure what comes out is true and factual.
plenty of opportunities to point them out.
the conservatives makes thoughtless statements.
repeat behavior on her part-tells us all she is agenda driven.
No credability lady-
Typical liberal excuse: blame
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:00am.
Typical liberal excuse: blame everyone else but themselves for their mistakes.maddow and her own stupidity!
Submitted by mario on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:07am.
This thing that wants to act like a man but just doesn't have the right stuff to do it is like any other lib...blame someone else for their stupidity. She/he got caught with her/his pants down and then blames the other prople for what happend...that is why we have a society of people like this. They hate it when they are wrong. When they are they blame others...when something is correct...they take credit. Its the sorry scum like this person that I am glad I is only once in a while is heard from when they try to polish a turd. LOL!
"It's not my fault......
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:13am.
.....that I'm stupid."
-Rick Maddow
Her entire life is FICTION.
Submitted by notinstl on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:24am.
Does this snarky faux-intellictual watch anything else other than Fox News? If she didn't bash conservatives, what the HELL would she talk about? Does she even believe her own BS? Quite an amazing world that libs/progressives live in...they can't support their own beliefs....they have to bash others.
Rachel IS an idiot
Submitted by chisco on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:56am.
And here I thought that liberals like Rachel Maddow were so much more intelligent and mentally-superior to "us conservatives", that they would be immediately able to discern between "satire" and "real news".......
(Gasp!) I guess I was wrong....."us conservatives" are stuck out here alone, hopeless, helpless and defenseless against Glenn Beck and Rush..........OH NO!!!
/s
Maddow is a dunce....
Submitted by sam12663 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:49am.
....we all know this.
However, I do agree with her on one thing; Beck is a shister. He has become nothing more than a fear monger to sell books. This man puts out more books in a short period of time than Stephen King. I think he truly believes what he says, but he does use fear as a profit generator. I used to listen to him, but his constant drumbeat of despair and destruction grew weary for me. He takes every world incident and morphs it into another 'end of times' rant. He has become the television preacher who warns of impending doom, only to ask for your money at the end of the broadcast.
give her a break
Submitted by texan1953 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:52am.
Her irrational behavior is understandable...she realizes that her MSNBC days are just about over. She and all other hosts will soon be going the way of KO. MSNBC is Air America without being able to raid children's charity funds.
Question; if someone on MSNBC is talking and no one is watching...is there a sound? So it goes.
→ texan
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 11:56am.
I hope "So it goes" is a Kurt Vonnegut quote and not in any way funnelled through Linda Ellerbee
If Cecil Rhodes was alive today...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:12pm.
...he would insist on Richy Maddcow reimbursing his scholarship fund.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
dan rather part 2
Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 12:27pm.
In other words the website's article was fake but accurate.
maddow
Submitted by eckleberg on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:06pm.
I find her so stiff, wooden and robotic devoid of humanity. How in the world could she merit her own program, probably an affirmative action politically correct gender appointment.
Stranger Than Fiction????
Submitted by donabernathy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:47pm.
Bwahahahahaha
Next there is gonna be a shoot'n in Arizona or something and Glenn is gonna blame Sarah Palin, da tea party, and all Republicans.... oops
roflmao
Stranger than Fiction!!!!!
Submitted by donabernathy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:49pm.
Barry Going to a Racist church for 23 years and never hear'n the sermons.
roflmao
Stranger than Fiction
Submitted by donabernathy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:13pm.
Americans that apply for Professional Government Jobs have to produce College records... yet the President hides his.
roflmao
Blaming everyone and
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:26pm.
Blaming everyone and everything else except where accountbaility is due, while deriding the act of self defense itself and going so far as criminalizing preparation to do so, is the mainstay of libralism today.
Liberals so want to be the authority to assign blame, but they come to a stonewall when faced with the fact it is they themselves, their own policy and political positions, are to blame.
Rachel, you got it wrong because you report as you wish it to be rather than how it is. The solution is easy, stop trying to make the news and instead just admit what it is.
Gag reflex.
Submitted by jfhdsiu on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 3:26pm.
Mine is overwhelming when it comes to R. Maddow. That's why I have to rely on sites such as this to get the news about her. They can, at least, stomach watching Maddow's repulsive, I mean 'distasteful' show!
"Weekly World News" is more reliable
Submitted by Carl Kolchak on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:05pm.
I think Maddow is another example of why "Weekly World News" needs to be in the checkout lanes at supermarkets again. In my opinion those guys are much smarter and more reliable than current journalists. People like Maddow like to build themselves up as great elites and how intelligent they are, and they like to badmouth Palin. Then when they get caught using a fake source, they seem to make themselves out to be victims and it's not really their fault they used a fake source, it's because of other people. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't win some type of so called presitigous award for her story.
Research...
Submitted by ginger on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 4:07pm.
If I remember right Glen Beck always says...don't trust me, do your own research. Apparently Rach doeesn't.
Fire, Ready, Aim, Misdirect!
Submitted by DoktorFranken on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 5:15pm.
Ya know, whether one loves, hates, or is indifferent to Beck aside, what you said there describes both Beck and Raphael Maddow.
And just what in the heck does Beck have to do with Maddow's attack (albeit obtuse) on Sarah Palin anyway?
Liberalism is truly a disease.
So, let me see if I have this straight.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:03pm.
Rachel is a idiot, and it's Glenns fault? That about the gist of this?
Uh Rach, and I hesitate to say this to you, but MAN UP and take some responsibility.
Maddow Blames Beck
Submitted by OldLeprechaun on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 6:36pm.
The first thing that went through my mind when I read this story, was Orson Wells "War of the Worlds".
The problem Leftists have is that their egos WILL NOT allow them to admit they're wrong. EVER. Everything is ALWAYS someone else's fault. If you've ever had a small child you recognize the blame-shifting and you know that it's a reflexive response on the part of a child. However, one characteristic of an adult is that they are able to shoulder responsibility for their own mistakes. Why, yet another Leftist pointing their finger and blaming everyone but themselves for their mistakes, errors, screw-ups, and short-comings...
Somebody tell me again, why is this news?
Deflection, Rache?
Submitted by drsamherman on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 6:54pm.
Liberals are always blathering that conservatives are anti-intellectual or uninformed. Looks like Rache got so caught up in the liberal groupthink lie that she has to blame being "duped" for her own gullibility. Not this time, Rache. You fell for satire and you drooling, half-baked audience of mindless liberal minions bought into it because you mentioned it. So much for the value of your doctoral degree teaching critical analysis, Rache.
Does anyone else notice
Submitted by American Infidel on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 8:09pm.
that msnbc uses more time in Fox clips than they use themselves? I've never seen anyone on Fox using clips of msnbc.