Matthews: Were Neocons Right About Middle East; Was Bush Better Equipped to Handle Egypt Than Obama?
Chris Matthews on Friday asked the panelists on the syndicated program bearing his name two questions about the crisis in Egypt that must have made his liberal viewers gasp.
Moments after surprisingly asking NBC's Andrea Mitchell if "neo-conservatives who believe in really trying to push democracy" were right all along, Matthews asked David Sanger of the New York Times if George W. Bush was "better equipped than this President to deal with this crisis" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Let me get to the philosophical. You and I have talked about this so many times over the years. There's been an ideological struggle between the realists in American foreign policy and the more aggressive neo-conservatives who believe in really trying to push democracy, really trying to change the face. Who can say I told you so here the loudest? Were the neo-cons right in all fairness in saying this was going to come, we should have gotten out ahead of this before?
ANDREA MITCHELL, NBC: You could argue that, because some of the so-called realists would, are still today, and I just spoke to a prominent one, arguing that we should be supporting Mubarak…
MATTHEWS: All the way.
MITCHELL: …come hell or high water, all the way. This is our military, we built it, we paid for it. A billion and a half this year.
MATTHEWS: Are these the same that would have said support the Shah, support anybody, support Marcos? Support anybody.
MITCHELL: Yes, and while the analogy to Iran is incorrect because this is a secular movement and Iran was not, the analogy between a U.S. government, a White House that seems trying to straddle all sides and not knowing how much to move in which direction, that actually does remind me of 1979.
Well, that seems to be a bit of historical revisionism.
It was Carter and the so-called "realists" that wrongly chose to not support the Shah in 1979, and the conservatives in our nation who at the time thought we should do everything to keep him in to prevent a radical Islamic takeover of Iran.
To this day most of the Right believes much of the problems we're having with radical Islam stem from Carter's strategic blunder. Claiming that today's "realists" were the same folks calling for America to support the Shah in 1979 is therefore historically inaccurate.
But I digress:
MATTHEWS: Again on that point, did the government that we had before, the administration of Bush, which was so loaded with ideologues, if you will, and with some realists. Mostly ideologues. Were they better equipped than this President to deal with this crisis because they're more attuned to what is going on over there? Is [National Security Advisor] Tom Donilon ready for this?
Strange question coming from a man who earlier on Friday blamed the crisis in Egypt on Bush and the Iraq war.
Fortunately for Matthews' liberal viewers that were likely having a hard time breathing over the thought of Bush being better equipped than Obama to deal with anything, David Sanger of the New York Times was there to predictably offer the more acceptable left-wing view:
DAVID SANGER, NEW YORK TIMES: Yeah, I think that the Bush administration was certainly not ready for this in its first term.
On what would Sanger base this argument? Given the speed in which Bush mobilized the nation to head into Afghanistan after 9/11 and into Iraq fifteen months later, this certainly wasn't a White House that was slow in the uptake to respond to an international crisis.
In Sanger's view, exactly what did they lack the first four years to deal with what is currently going on in Egypt?
This seems especially quizzical given the peculiar and uncoordinated statements coming from Vice President Biden and Secretary of State Clinton this week.
Regardless of your political leaning, you would have to think that Dick Cheney and Colin Powell would have performed far better than what we've seen from Obama's support team as it pertains to this crisis thus far, unless of course you wrote for the New York Times:
SANGER: By its second term, you got to that speech that you were discussing before that Condoleezza Rice gave. Even then, we don't know how they would have felt if they really thought Mubarak was not ready. Mr. Donilon and others in the administration were handling this. They are realists of a different kind, and their realism I think is a recognition that Mubarak was not going to last and they might as well move on to the next generation.
MATTHEWS: Right, that’s why I think.
So, Obama and Company are being reactive as opposed to proactive thereby making the answer to Matthews' question about which administration is better equipped for this crisis to clearly be Bush.
Not surprisingly, none of Matthews' guests was willing to go that far.
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Comments
another carter
Submitted by ds7 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 4:21pm.
every time we get one of these spineless democrats as a president, the world sees it as an invitation to push the boundaries.
with carter we got iran. with obama we're going to get egypt.
whoever wrote the bible, and predicted over 2000 years ago that the epicenter for the end of the world would be israel, jerusalem and the middle east sure got the location right.
makes you think...
if you've ever played
Submitted by dirtydan64 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:04pm.
The game of Risk as I have when I was a kid, no matter how many times you played the end results were the same where the big stand off would be USA surrounding the Middle East which as you mention is where the next last WW will be the stage to the end of the world or us or them. It all comes down to who blinks first !!!God wrote the Bible he gets
Submitted by TruthMonger on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:53pm.
God wrote the Bible
he gets everything right
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
A dream come true
Submitted by Bob K on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:24am.
Pretty much the entire world has been hoping and praying (in a very few cases) for a totally clueless chump in the White House since the Carter years........Now they have Barry.
Today Egypt Tomorrow England
Submitted by im41 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 4:27pm.
Video: Liberal tolerance is paving the way for Islamist to forcefully take over England, like they are doing right now in Egypt. Tomorrow they will be ousting the Queen instead of President Hosni Mubarak.
Trends to Come
Submitted by xraynova on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 5:44pm.
That's nothing... just wait until islamist separatists want to liberate their Michigan homeland.
Blame Game
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 4:38pm.
Yo Chris: The answer to your question is Yes ! On day 1.
Jimmy Carter's speech writer is not going to let anything be blamed on Carter when they can find a way to blame GW.
Holy Wiley Coyote!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 5:00pm.
Man, the spittle was flying during this question. It has to be a new land record for speaking in a moronic and illogical manner!
I had an idea that Prissy could breathe through his ears, and he proved it in this clip.
At least pass out towels to your guests, Crissy.
Realists of a different kind
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 5:01pm.
What kind is that, the right kind? The correct kind? What a ridiculous statement.
By all indications, including statements made by the administration and their supporters in the media, no one saw this coming in Egypt, even after the Tunisian uprising. It seems to me that the current administration continued with the foriegn aid plan for Egypt, including the $1.5B for their military; would they had done so if they thought the citizenry, pushed by an element of radical Islam might overthrown the purveyors of that money? That's just stupid on the part of Sanger.
This from the Washington Post:
Incidently, the first comment on the WaPo page reads in it's entirety as follows:
I just thought that was funny.
that is funny
Submitted by TruthMonger on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:56pm.
that is funny
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
if George W. Bush was "better
Submitted by dscott on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 5:14pm.
if George W. Bush was "better equipped than this President to deal with this crisis"
Well duh, George W Bush would not have instigated the overthrow of an ally!!!! Barack Obama like the typical liberal he is sowed the seeds of this human disaster when he met secretly with the Muslim Brotherhood to encourage them in their plans to overthrow Mubarak. Then Obama has the nerve to tell the Egyptian government to use restraint against an insurrection instigated by radical Moslems???? In other words in typical lib speak, you should let yourself be defeated and be defenseless because it suits our desire to see you fail.
Let's compare this to what happens in the US during civil disturbances like Watts or the LA riots. The national guard is called out and then depending on the level of violence shoots to kill. But Liberals would have you believe governments who defend themselves against civil unrest by calling out the military are evil oppressive regimes. So is the US an evil repressive regime because they use the national guard to suppress civil unrest????? You be the judge here because the MSM is engaging in a full court press of propaganda vilifying the Egyptian government to rationalize why the Muslim Brotherhood would be better running the country than Mubarak.
http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu/2011/01/thad-mccotter-this-is-not-a-nostalg...
Compare it to Iran
Submitted by Gat New York on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 10:22pm.
Obama sat stone silent when there was the uprising in Iran that, with some support from Obama, could have led to the overthrow of the theocracy there. Yet this same Obama is actively engaged in support of protestors in Egypt.
Haaretz which is the left of center Israel newspaper is already proclaiming Obama as the US President who will be known for losing all Egypt, Lebanon, and U.S. influence in the region.
This was the most grossly incompetent foreign policy group since World War II - even including Carter.
If the Muslim Brotherhood comes into power it will be an enormous step in losing the war against radical Islam which he still fails to acknowledge.
The thing to remember, Gat
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:49am.
....is that to Obama, there IS NO WAR AGAINST RADICICAL ISLAM.
He. Doesn't. Care.
I'm seriously beginning to question whether we, as a country, will come out from under the Obama regime in 2012 somewhat intact. I'm reminded of the Grateful Dead's Casey Jones. I think we're there, now.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
It is a national digrace...
Submitted by sherlock1 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 5:16pm.
...that this cast of people who are supposedly experts, and paid millions of dollars by media companies to share that expertise with an audience, obviously think that their real job is to find a way to blame someone other than a Democrat for whatever bad things happen in the world.
I am to the point where I assume the MSM lies about pretty much everything of any significance, and I try to avoid patronizing their sponsors, because they almost certainly know it and don't care.
It's not an assumption...
Submitted by falcon on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 7:05pm.
...your views are correct. The mainstream media does lie about everything, regardless of its significance. Such is proven on a daily basis.
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
I like how Chrissy says that
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:53am.
I like how Chrissy says that the Bush White House was PACKED with ideologues....but there is NOT ONE in the Obama White House.
I wonder if they are starting to realize that Obama is an Affirmative Action President? But as long as Obama is worrying about the Tater Tots and Pizza in our schools...the middle East can burn!
The notion that is being
Submitted by jdhawk on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 5:18pm.
The notion that is being megaphoned by the lame stream media is that duhbama was telling Mubarack all along to bring in democratic institutions. What a crock.
If duhbama had been saying that, do you think that "Plugs" Biden would have said a couple of days ago, "he is not a dictator, Mubarack? I think not.
What is important here, from the viewpoint of this administration and its proxies, the lame stream media, is what duhbama said to Mubarack. Not that we get stuck with another Islamic regime of murdering thugs like Carter gave to the world when he failed to back the Shaw in Iran. Because this administration if asleep at the switch.
Aren't you glad that duhbama choose clintoon's wife to be Sec State? What a whiz in a crisis! lol
Apparently, krissy took off his political hat for once and declared for Bush! Seems unbelievable at first blush, but even krissy knows the hell that Iran has put its own people and the world through, inlcuding the deaths of our own military men and women in both Iraq and Afghanistan, since the Islamic murdering thugs took power.
JD, looks one of the MSM
Submitted by celator on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:14pm.
JD, looks one of the MSM messages for this week is what a great defender of peoples' rights Obama is, and how he yearns for Mubarek to understand the cries of the Egyptian people, etc. Oh, yes, he's been advising Mybarek for TWO years to get ahead of the curve
I call BS.
We all remember the phony election in Iran in 2009. Protesting students and others were killed in the streets of Tehran, taken out of the university dorms and killed or imprisoned. They were hunted down for months, and killed when found.
And what did Obama do during this time? Nothing. He whispered something about "keep it cool", and continued eating his waffles. Of course Iran has sworn to destroy Israel, and Egypt is at least a mild ally of Israel and a protector of the Suez Canal. Obama was too busy advising Mubarek at the time, apparently.
So we know where Obama is coming from. He has exactly the same position as the Muslim Brotherhood on this conflict. Boy, am I suprised.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20091229005310/en/Iran-Policy-Comm...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/jun/17/iran-uprising
http://iranianrevolution.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/iranian-people-continu...
One Big A$$ Mistake America
Submitted by Ashrak on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 5:56pm.
Though I was young during the first Carter administration -
I don't think the words "I Told You So" will have ever been used by the American people more than they are being used today going forward regarding this intellevctual lightweight named Barry Soetoro.
I've learned from this site
Submitted by bsny on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:11pm.
to discount everything this knucklehead says, so it MUST be that Obama is better equipped to handle Egypt.
Keep thinking that BS New York
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:52am.
Because the Jihadis will surely come for you first, being in the Big Apple and all.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I've learned from this site
Submitted by bsny on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:11pm.
to discount everything this knucklehead says, so it MUST be that Obama is better equipped to handle Egypt.
speaking of knuckleheads*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:26pm.
Shame on you. I thought all you superior elitist belonged to the "No Label" party.
Cajun-2 the only Shame bsny, feels is when he forgets his
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 7:43pm.
reusable bag when shopping.
Pinhead progressives.
You Didn't Build That.
Pres. Bush
Submitted by grammajane on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:18pm.
Pres, Bush made his priority to protect America where, obama's priorirty is spending tax-payer money to control those who care to follow him. Go over to the Blaze and read Glen Beck's take on matheews. It is so right on and very entertaining
bsny---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:39pm.
liberal ass-muncher supreme, calling someone else a knucklehead. Too funny !Didn't the Leghumper just
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 6:41pm.
Didn't the Leghumper just BLAME Bush for these problems in Egypt??? And now he's saying that Bush was probably better equipped to deal with it?? Oh, wait - i get it now - since Bush CAUSED the problem, then he CAN deal with it better than li'l Boy Barry..........who seems ill-equipped to handle ANYTHING!!! Of course, I'm sure that everybody in taking him seriously when he is telling them how to act...............
it was not only GWB-
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 8:03pm.
it was those he chose to surround himself with. BHO has no one-yes no one who has any background to deal with issues as large as this. they have trouble securing our borders.yet alone dealing with trouble in Foreign lands.
The world is crashing down-the USA-we need to stay out-back up and hide.
Thank You Liberals.
Nov 2012 can hardly come quick enough.
Rein in spending-drill baby drill.
rein in the EPA/FDA/FCC-defend them all-get America back to work. Once we are energy independent-things change/ no more helping middle-east back water Saudi Arabia let the Chinese
deal with Muslims.
Better Equipped?
Submitted by malthus on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 8:17pm.
How can a man be better equipped when he shares the enemy's philosophy, despises his own citizens and shuns traditional allies? The barbarians are at the gate and Soetoro has voted "present" preferring to show he is better equipped to party, golf, vacate and tell us what to eat.
Drill Baby Drill, or it will be soon be too late.
more information
Submitted by malthus on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:21am.
This blogger has been at it for a while, more information is never a bad thing:
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/
A half-witted monkey...
Submitted by Clutch1956 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 8:20pm.
...with a banana in its mouth could do better than the Zerobama administration could, since the monkey has had experience with bananas; Teh Won had and has no experience other than voting "Present". The job of the POTUS is no place for OTJ.
(And the monkey would be fun to watch to boot! The Zerobama administration is both sad and scary to watch!)
Miulitary spending cutbacks?
Submitted by ThisnThat on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 8:58pm.
How's that $70B cut in defense spending going, obama? Want to continue with it, or maybe cut it by 25% as barney frank says? The world is a dangerous place. Liberals have to re-learn this every time they wake up in the morning. Real adults already know it.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
the Military is already saving a bundle
Submitted by 26CX on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 9:09pm.
Now that Nancy Pelosi has to fly commercial.
Defund NPR, the UN and all foreign aid
Submitted by Tomorama on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 9:43pm.
When Rice made the speech and the dire warnings if no actions were taken or at least looked at differently, the LSM and the Democrats....... my bad, same thing, all screamed at her that she is just a talking head who only speaks for the neo-con Masters.
Yes, it was something to that effect and SHE and BUSH were uh, uh, uh, uh, uh right.
You can lay a lot of blame on Bush, this isn't one of them.
He's sober
Submitted by Injest on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 9:52pm.
Moments after surprisingly asking NBC's Andrea Mitchell if "neo-conservatives who believe in really trying to push democracy" were right all along, Matthews asked......
OMG! He's sober and on the air!
Obama is making the Carter Administration Look COMPETENT
Submitted by TexasMom0517 on Sun, 01/30/2011 - 10:04pm.
I never thought I'd see the day when another U.S. administration made the Carter Presidency look like foreign policy super heroes, but this president is the most incompetent ever- unless Limbaugh and Beck have been right all along. In which case, the Obama/Soros plan is right on track. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/01/30/the-american-lefts-r...
Who didn't see this coming?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:38am.
Just saw this on Drudge. Who didn't see this coming?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/muslim-brotherhood-announces-p...
Any bets on the UN recognizing this so-called Unity Gov't, as well as the Chairman and whoever else is siding with the brotherhood?
Huckabee, while I don't normally watch the show, had some good spots and they brought up the stuff about the brotherhood being involved. Hopefully that will make some headway and pick up steam on the other Fox shows(haven't watch any others to see if they have).
This is just scary. And it's not helping that we have some cells in this country that are waiting for the word "Go."
-Jon
I don't know.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:39am.
All I know is the one place in the Middle East/North Africa they are not rioting/protesting in the streets is Iraq, the country President Bush invaded and left behind a Democracy.
I''ve gotta disagree, Vet.
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:06am.
I''ve gotta disagree, Vet. Iraq is no bed of peace and love, that's for sure!!! They're STILL blowing each other up. My son has been working up and down the Persian Gulf for the past 10 months, and has been in a number of those countries. He's got NOTHING good to say about the whole situation, the Moooooooooooslems, the lifestyle, the mindset, the Saudis, the whole nine yards........and my son is a pretty observant and sharp guy. Of course, he's a professional also, so he just does his job and keeps things to himself..........but his assessment of the whole area is pretty brutal, and there's no way he'd ever go to that part of the world again!!
And what do we 'need' them for, anyway?? Oil??? We probably have more oil than they do, truth be told............they've got thousands of years of bad history and faulty DNA..........do you actually think we'll have any positive impact on their future??? I'm not a pessimistic guy, but I'm not holding my breath.........................
I know buddy.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:13am.
God knows they still have problems. But they are not out in the street clamoring for a new government. They voted in the one they got now.
Teh Vet & Killa
Submitted by MrShy on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:04am.
I agree with killa (and obviously he has first hand knowledge of it through his son) about the whole of the M.E. being a hellhole of essentially barbarism, thanks to the one remaining global cancer in this world, islam. I also sort of side with Vet that it's still a small miracle, what Bush pulled off. And the 4,500 soldiers we lost I completely honor.
Those losses -- a strikingly low number, we all need to be aware of, when compared to almost all past wars -- were not in vain in the slightest. Imagine still having by-far the craziest, most unstable tyrant still doing whatever he was doing, with us now in 2011, with all the unrest going on in neighboring countries. IMAGINE.
Iraq is smack-dab, geographically, in the middle of this sorry part of the world, and not having some semblance of stability in that country and with an unhinged ruler at the helm, our worries would be compounded many fold.
This now gives me an opportunity to share with you all the unhinged, anti-war liberal view of Iraq, Bush, and how all of us "war hawks" -- who appreciate how complex and dangerous this all is, and the world we live in -- are basically seen as "accessories to murder". He emailed me a vicious, seething-with-contempt email after we had a falling out on facebook, right after the 2008 election. He never engaged me in debate there, but then he let it rip in one classic, all-emotion, hate-filled Bush-deranged, leftist manifesto (yeah, he never actually debated me issue-by-issue earlier... a liberal.... go figure :p)
These were the two opening salvo paragraphs of his laughably pretentious, tough-guy liberal screed -- the rest got really ugly (yep, this was just the beginning) on the personal front:
Yes, mister shy, politics it is. I am not bound - either by courtesy or precedent - to be silent, or to "respect" beliefs that are morally repugnant, simply because somebody I know holds them. Mutual respect for each others "beliefs" requires both the intellectual rigor and tenacity developed in discussion, and sometimes (gasp!) debate. I took public issue with your ideas and associations - not with you as a person - despite your near-daily 'updates' directed at those of us "idiots" who were "deluded" enough to vote for a man you routinely derided. I bit my tongue (for months) when faced with your vociferous assertions of what "fools" the "misguided" people who disagreed with you were. Yet when directed at you and YOUR beliefs, my rejoinders are "insulting"? Dunno if they filled you in on this at neo-con summer camp, but rebuttal and challenge of ideas and/or assertions are par for the course, at least among those of us who have participated in more than one election. If you're gonna toss bombs, be prepared to have them handed back to you - true radicals of ANY stripe eat criticism with nails for breakfast and move on. Don't be such a whimpering little neo-con pu**y. ('You've insulted me! Don't email me anymore!') NOTE: that's his fabricated tale of what went down] Please. Grow the f*** up and learn to argue hardcore politics with the big kids or keep your mouth shut about your beliefs when out in public. Your possession of an opinion doesn't automatically exempt it from scrutiny, objection or ridicule. Put on your big-girl panties and deal with it, mister shy.
Your embrace of the politics of hatred, war, division and outright racism are still a bit of a surprise, and they are not beliefs or personal qualities I ignore in silence - not when they are on my news feed every day, and not when I can speak to the backward-looking division you embody in your ignorance. I have lifelong, loving friendships with many Republicans, right-wingers all, but the beliefs you espouse are hateful and wrong, and I will say so loudly, publicly, and at any given opportunity - in any forum I choose. You and your puppeteers are responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers, and I hold you and your brainless cheerleaders of death directly accountable for this waste of life. My friends mourn their child lost in Iraq, while you theorize about Sarah Palin's qualifications to prolong this horror. For shame. Put your ass where your mouth is: sign up to serve, or demand immediate withdrawal. But much like the men you parrot, I suspect you are not going to offer your life in sacrifice to the glorious war you embrace - you will happily send other, younger, men to die in your stead. They will honorably serve a bankrupt, abstract ideology that you, despite your pompous certitude, are not willing to bleed for. Those dying young men are not at war for their anti-hip facebook status updates, and not lying maimed in underfunded VA hospitals to be unique or contrary. They are dying because you sent them there, and they obey. Their blood is on your hands, and if you think not, think again. You are what you profess to believe. You and the other cheerleaders for this useless war are accessories to murder. Murder.
Doncha' just love them liberals? And they have a real affinity for blustering, run-on paragraphs, don't they?
- Shy Vinyl
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
I WILL agree with you on that
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:54am.
I WILL agree with you on that point, Vet..........like - 'we' voted on the government that we have now too!!! And look what we've got!!! I've gotta think that Boy Blunder is really nervous about this whole scenario, because it's not a stretch to think that he could be looking down the barrel of the same goddamn thing!!!
Have you been following the news about our little cretin Governor Neil Uber-commie, and his useless attempts to 'prove' that Boy Barry was born here in Hawaii??? Sick sick sick!!!
I didn't get ONE friggin' winning vote in the Nov. 2 elections here.........and look at this pathetic useless hippie-ass commie piece of crap that we have for a 'Governor' now!!! And you thought that the people of Massachussettes, or California, were stupid??????
Ditto killa, pony up and shell out for increased sin tax
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:07pm.
Hiel hair governor.
1979 iran was just a bunch of college kids rioting.
Tie a yellow ribbon round the 'ol oak tree.
You Didn't Build That.
on a lighert note
Submitted by Cdn Neo_con on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:53am.
How many near-heart-attacks do you think the start of this segment caused in his viewership ?
I wonder if the 911 people would release stats on that :-)
More Prepared than Obama and Pals
Submitted by donabernathy on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:25am.
How about this
roflmao
NBers need to co-ordinate their anti-Obama message re Egypt
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 11:43am.
There appears to be some confusion over whether to attack him for not being sufficiently supportive of Mubarak or, on the contrary, for not continuing the Bush policy which provided more direct aid to the anti-government movement.
My guess is this will be just another case of 'whatever he did and whatever he does, it was and will be wrong'.
Jer
→ All over the board
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:14pm.
I'm not sure there is a "right thing" to do either.
Therefore, I don't see that the President is doing much wrong here. If you like Jimmy Carter.
Spit it out Uncle Jer.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:07pm.
Is it our fault he has Charlie Brown Syndrome. He is wishy washy.
Why blame it on posters here? They prolly have very little say in getting him to man up and commit either way.
Uncle Jer can only defend against single warheads, Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:31pm.
The MIRVs give me fits.
U J
When you gather the facts
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:19pm.
When you gather the facts there should be no confusion at all.
Barack Obama instigated the situation in Egypt, he met with representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood and gave them his seal of approval for what they were doing back in 2009. They told him they were going to do it in 2011 and viola! The Tunisian situation was the perfect segway to set the stage. This was a staged spontaneous unrest, no different than dousing coals with lighter fluid and then choosing when to strike the match.
Barack Obama just like Jimmy Carter before him set up a US ally to fall. Even Hugo Chavez was shocked at Obama's double dealing regarding Mubarak. Obama is just another Democrat back stabber and has damaged the reputation of the US to ALL of its allies. If they can setup Egypt, then no one is immune to such plotting. Who's next Saudi Arabia?
The Bush policy was NEVER to topple an ally. Toppling allies is a uniquely Democrat policy.
When a person like Obama is so consistently wrong (Iran, Honduras) it's not surprising that he continues to make the same wrong decisions.
Those are the facts you've gathered?
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 12:49pm.
Let me get this straight: Obama's policy of tilting toward Mubarak in an effort to stabilize his government--recognizing his critical role in the region vis a vis Israel--was in fact not the administration's policy at all but rather a Machiavellian plot to oust Mubarak from power and install a radical Islamic theocracy? Is that your argument?
What is your source for the claim that Obama gave the Muslim Brotherhood the green light in 2009?
Jer
Sources
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:15pm.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/828...
There was another one I wanted to put in, but I can't seem to locate it. I have this one instead.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=257213
-Jon
Your sources
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:27pm.
don't establish any direct link between Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood.
→ Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:26pm.
Some say there is a direct link.
That's always good enough for a liberal.
Apparently that type of reasoning
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:31pm.
is good enough for conservatives too.
→ Thanks, Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:35pm.
I made no such admission concerning conservatives, but you acquiesced to my observation concerning liberals.
At least you know yourself to greater degree than we give you credit.
CA
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:40pm.
I have no problem noting that people tend to believe sources and opinions that are similar to or reinforce their own convictions. It happens everywhere.
→ Therefore, Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:44pm.
You will continue to be satisfied with "Some say" as a source.
You are well-trained.
Nancy Palocha said it, you believe it, and that settles it.
CA
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:49pm.
Continue? Who is Nancy Palocha? What about you?
→ Sorry Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:55pm.
It was a reference to "We have to pass it so you can find out what's in it" -- Nancy Pelosi
That's what passes for logic in your world.
Sorry I had to explain it to you. I know now the reference must have gone completely over your head.
CA
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:04pm.
That's what passes for logic in your world.
And you know that how? And still: What about you?
→ Just because
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:11pm.
Just because you have no history of condemning Nancy Pelosi's arrogant proclamation.
Had it bothered you in the least, well, you're certainly not averse to inserting your two cents, are you.
Link or slink.
OOPS, sorry! Liberals don't have to defend their ignorance. That would be a display of logic.
Oh that is a nice one.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:15pm.
Because I haven't said anything against it, I have to be supporting it. Is that what passes in your world as logic?
And still asking: What about you? Answering questions doesn't seem to be your strength.
→ I'm just a cat
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:16pm.
I torture and toy with liberal parrots. I don't actually eat them.
CA
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:28pm.
That's the vet's quote. I just didn't attribute it to him. Now he might get mad with you for making it even worse. And I still think it was meant to be a duck.
Edit:
That edit was fast.
So what, Troggy?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:30pm.
You repeated something a human being said.
That's what parrots do!!
Why am I not surprised it's not your own words?
What edit, Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:33pm.
In a battle of wits, you are unarmed.
I didn't even think to consider you wouldn't know how to insert a tagline.
Editing your profile
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:36pm.
is an edit. Changing it back is an edit. And as you've found your rationale to keep it, you'll probably won't edit it for another month(?).
Braaaaaackk
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:43pm.
I won't keep it. You have already demonstrated your ability as a parrot.
BTW, how long do you think it actually takes to edit a tagline?
Something
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:48pm.
like
And . . .
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:52pm.
That amazes you because . . . ?
That amazes me only
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:57pm.
if you tell me to be amazed. Don't you know: Apparently I'm a parrot. So?
Little Boy Liar does it again.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:45pm.
Nothing like labeling an entire movement because you hear one guy say something.
You go little lying girly troll.
troglodyt: Apparently my type of whining is good enough for all sissy trolls too.
Hey, you forgot to tell us how proud mumzie and duddy troll are that you were chosen to head Santa's Sleigh with your bright red swollen diaper rash ridden nads leading the way.
I know little trollie,
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:51pm.
I know little trollie, mumzie and duddy troll don't get paid much and your diaper only gets changed once month. That is a really nasty case of trollie diaper rash. They should be changing it once every 5 days. You need to go to this troll charity, Diapers for Troll Crybabies. They will help mumzietroll and duddytroll financially so they can afford the barrels of zinc ozide and pallets of diapers you so desperately need. Don't thank me, just give back to the charity once you get a high paying troll job
.
Best of The Vet nomination?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:03pm.
Looks like the Little Boy Liar is stealing quotes from others and presenting them as his own. Again.
You attribute quotes little lying trollie no matter how much the word bully makes you cry.
That is an unattributed quote from me - here.
Either attribute quotes properly or fill your diaper troll. You can't have it both ways.
Braaaaaackk.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:07pm.
Braaaaaackk. Squawwwwwkkkkkkk. Braaaaaaaackkkkk.
→ No surprise
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:14pm.
You speak liberal parrot.
Your cage is lined with the New York Times.
I think that was meant to be a duck.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:20pm.
Though, you have to ask the vet to be sure.
Whatever Little Boy Liar.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:30pm.
We already know you have never had an original thought ever. If it ain't something from Media Matters, it is yet another attempt to ride The Veets coattails by stealing his quotes and presenting them as your own.
I hate you Veet. I love you Veet. I quote you. I hate you Veet. I love you Veet. I quote you.
Make up your mind conflicted trollie.
I don't have to make up my mind.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:35pm.
I've never said I hate you but occasionally said I love you. I admire your debating skills so much that I copy your remarks. You are my American Idol. I think I even quoted one of the first lines of Nabokov's "Lolita" to show you how passionate I am about you.
xoxoxo
A Written History of The Vet.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:27pm.
Little Boy Liar: I think that was meant to be a duck.
Yes, braintrust, that is what ducks are known for. Mimicking the sounds of the monkeypeople around them. You are not very bright are you?
Buy Uncle Jer's A Written History of The Vet's Witticisms available on Amazon now.
The concept of the parrot on your shoulder was first introduced in a conversation with Uncle Jer on 18 October 2009.
The parrot on Jer's shoulder does it again.October 18, 2009 - 19:59 ET by JWF
Rove! Rove! Squawk. Rove is evil!
++++
It has morphed over the years to the rotating Braaaackkk Squaaaawwwwkkk Braaaaackkkk with the trollies repeated words interwoven.
#65 Braaaack. You agree wit me. Braaackkk. You agree. Squawkkkkkk.Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 9:19pm.
Yes liar. You keep lying. I agreed with you. That is why I posted and called you an idiot. English is your primary language and you can't even handle that well. How are to believe you are able to handle a second language like German
Vet
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:36pm.
You are writing too fast again. You forget words. Slow down.
On a side note: You should work on your onomatopeia concerning parrots, because what you wrote certainly sounds like a duck to me. Unless of course you meant a parrot imitating a duck. Then I apologize for the mix up.
→ Parrot
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:41pm.
You just said "I don't have to make up my mind".
Then, I submit you will continue to be unstable in all your ways.
troglodyt's Stupid shines again.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:56pm.
Sure little retard. I will go back to November 16, 2009 and pop that word back in there. You wait, OK. You wait right here. It takes a while for my time machine to warm up.
Idiot. You can't even correct the monkeypeople well. The dropped word was in an old post. Idiot.
Dimwit.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:06pm.
How are to believe you are able to handle a second language like German
Do you think that is a proper English sentence?
→ It was a test
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:11pm.
It was obviously a test of your verbatim ability.
You passed the test, Parrot.
Lucky me
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:12pm.
.
→ Yes, Troggo
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:19pm.
Your other badge is an acronym for:
Special
High
Intensity
Training.
CA
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:21pm.
Please think about the children. This is an open site.
→ Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:24pm.
Maybe in your neck of the woods, but I'm pretty sure that's NOT where babies come from.
Feel free to keep practicing with your life partner, though.
Here you haven't lost me.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:40pm.
But rest assured, I am as adamant as The Vet when it comes to shielding children from obscene words.
→ That's good, Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:43pm.
And if you ever catch me using foul language, please let me know.
As yet, I haven't. Not today, anyway.
Only if your acrostic
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:46pm.
is not taken into consideration. But trust me, I won't tell anyone.
→ Stop imagining it
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:51pm.
You need to quit fantasizing about my acrostic.
Back to parroting the NYT
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:54pm.
and the whole health care mess:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/us/01ruling.html?_r=1&hp
What, do I have to type slowly? What is wrong with you Retard?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 5:53pm.
I repeat because the Little Boy Liar is very slow. The sentence. The quote. The missing word sentence with the quote. IT WAS MADE ON 11/16/2010 at 9:19pm. I, me, The Vet, The Veet to trollies, ME, JWF, the guy typing this right here would HAVE TO GO BACK IN TIME TO CORRECT IT.
The Troll with MASSIVE BRAIN DAMAGE - You are writing too fast again. You forget words. Slow down.
ARE. ARE. ARE. ARE.
are: present 2d singular or present plural of be
PRESENT TENSE. Past tense would be were or was.
was: past 1st & 3d singular of be
were: past 2d singular, past plural, or past subjunctive of be
Now who is the Dimwit? Me and everyone else that was able to click on the link and confirm that I copied a post from 3 months ago or YOU that thinks I JUST TYPED IT?
Little advice from the VEET: Put your poo in one sock before you go slinging insults Retard.You are the only one I know
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 5:56pm.
who is proud of his nonsense whether written today or months ago. But I take back the dimwit. It would be nice though if in the future you seperate what you are quoting from what you are actually writing in your post in a rather recognizable way.
Whatever.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 6:16pm.
A. They took away the block quote with the New Newsbusters. Somebody give me the html code to do it and I will.
B. I would not be posting old posts were it not for you IMITATING me and QUOTING me just like your new soulmate balboa did.
C. Yes. I am proud.
D. Ok. I will take back 3 retards. The rest stay.
E. I make people laugh while knocking trollies around. Yes. That is something to be proud of. Now write NewsBusters so we can get back the old comments because Uncle Jer wants to finish his Best of The Vet Volume 5.
F. You would not get so worked up if I was half as good. It is why you fill your diaper, scratch with one hand, and type with the other and quote me just like every other troll. Thinking you are going to do some damage by bringing up an insult from yesterday. But it is so sad because Monkeypeople love the Veet as much as trollies hate him.
G. Very proud.
Vet
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 6:23pm.
If I really hated you, then I would avoid you. And I don't know how many people laugh about your diatribes, but I sure do.
As I see it you put far more effort in what you are doing, than I.
PS: Italics works just fine with me.
Italics don't look right copying old posts.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 6:31pm.
H. It is a Parrot.
Not a Duck.
I beg to differ.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 6:40pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNqfhiQbV54
But the parrot has some similarities I admit.
→ Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:01pm.
If you're going to set yourself up as an authority of onomatopoeia, this is one of those times where spelling matters.
I missed an O.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:05pm.
On the other hand you have the advantage of being reminded of O every day.
→ That silly "O"
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:06pm.
That "O" is the symbol of you having opened your mouth and removed all doubt.
Actually it symbolizes
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:11pm.
hugging The Vet. So thank you for the reminder.
Those monkeypeople and their pets confuse trollies.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:23pm.
That ain't the sound of a weasel sneezing, little lying trollie. Pray little trollie. Pray hard.
Page 31 of the Troll Bible.
31. Never let your opponents have the last word.
Always get the last word, even if your last "word" is merely a "The sound of a weasel sneezing!" or a disturbing picture, which has the added bonus of inflaming the regulars of a non-binaries group. With this goal in mind keep posting replies to the thread until you have clearly been ignored; keep checking occasionally just to be sure. Sometimes it helps to post your reply as a new thread.
Thank you.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:26pm.
That ain't the sound of a weasel sneezing, little lying trollie. Pray little trollie. Pray hard.
Page 31 of the Troll Bible.
31. Never let your opponents have the last word.
Always get the last word, even if your last "word" is merely a "The sound of a weasel sneezing!" or a disturbing picture, which has the added bonus of inflaming the regulars of a non-binaries group. With this goal in mind keep posting replies to the thread until you have clearly been ignored; keep checking occasionally just to be sure. Sometimes it helps to post your reply as a new thread.
Whatever. Fly that troll flag high. Fly it proudly.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:12pm.
That is the way to endear yourself the the web citizens here. Repeat verbatim the post of another user.
Then tell everyone how my descriptor of you, Little Boy Liar, is unfair.
Hey Vet
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:16pm.
That's what parrots do. They repeat what they hear.
Reminds me of the story of the frog and the parrot where the parrot stings the frog and replies to the frog "It is my nature"
Then the frog asks the parrot why he doesn't fly away and the parrot says "what's flying"
Apparently, our resident parrot prefers his NYT-lined cage.
Whatever
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:24pm.
sums up your post in a very neat way.
Sill having problems with English?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:41pm.
I already said whatever. You are not very bright are you?
Whatever is a slang term meaning "whatever you say" or "I don't care what you say". The term is used to dismiss a previous statement and express indifference. In the late 20th century and early 21st century, the word became a sentence in its own right; in effect an interjection, it is used as a powerful conversational blocking tool, leaving the responder without a convincing retort. Anything they do or say can simply be blocked by the retort of "whatever". - wikipedia
Unless the responder is a complete retard last word troll and he used his quota of weasel sneezes for the week. Then the retard last word troll will just try something that substitutes for wit in trollie town.
I'm going with definition #1
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:43pm.
from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whatever.
Whatever Retard.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:50pm.
Seriously, you are not bright at all are you?
And next time WARN people you are redirecting them to a website that drops the F BOMB.
Idiot. This site is open to children.
Are you annoyed?
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:55pm.
Definition #3 then? That would be a little harsh, luv.
And the fake concern for non-present children. Priceless.
Still with the troll bible. Open to page 4. Dear Trollie Gawd...
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 5:36pm.
4. Be patronizing, condescending and present an air of superiority. It may hide your inferiority to the casual reader. Use phrases like "kid" or "son", to elevate your relative apparent authority by attempting to diminishthat of the group's advocates you are addressing.
Or luv.
You see anyone else here dropping or linking to the F BOMB Retard? Now why is that Retard? Huh? Why? Why is no one but you linking to the F BOMB Retard? Huh? Tell us. Since I am just full of fake concern for the children. Drop it. Do it. You is such a brave trollie. You prove your idiocy here today time and again. Including acting just like another troll named balboa by bringing quotes forward that hurt your feelings.. And thinking a copy of an old post was just typed today. And thinking people want to see you repeat a post verbatim as your reply. Come on Retard. Tell us. TELL US ALL why we are not supposed to drop the F BOMB here. Because someday, not yet, but someday, you might prove to us you is wicked wicked wicked smart.
Quotes the one
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 5:59pm.
who frequently feels the need to address people as "babies". You would be so much more credible if you weren't such a hypocrite. And that was said with affection, luv.
Was there a troll strategy meeting?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:19pm.
Or did the Little Boy Liar start shacking up with the crypto-dummy troll?
The crypto-dummy troll was whining and quoting The Veet today as well. He even had the quote from The Veet inscribed on his diapers.
Nothing personal, jon...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:32pm.
but I wouldn't trust the World Net Daily "The Official News Organ of the Birthers" to publish an honest and accurate report of a meeting of the Ladies Garden Club.
That said, I note that the involvement of the American embassy in Cairo apparently took place some time in the latter months of 2008, which suggests that whatever action was taken would have been under the aupices of the Bush administration.
Jer
→ Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:37pm.
Does that mean you don't trust Obama, the official SpokesOrgan of rampant Socialism?
"When you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody". -- B.H. Obama
yeah, sure
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:40pm.
WND has some news items that get reported first before most other places, including Fox News and Drudge.
I said I couldn't find the link that details the same info as the WND link because I knew there would be a reaction about it being a WND link much like yours.
Other people might be able to provide it though. And it might have taken place in the latter months of 2008 but don't forget, the Chairman started acting as if he were already president almost immediately after the election, even making that stupid sign "Office of the President-Elect" and he was meeting all sorts of people, including the Brotherhood. Like I said, I can't find that link that shows that.
-Jon
According to Wikileaks, Obama
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:47pm.
Obama met with the reps of the Muslim Brotherhood in 2009. A group that was certified by the State Department as a TERRORIST organization.
Read'em and weep:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/561401/201101281856/Fri...
In 2009, the Egyptian daily Almasry Alyoum reported that President Obama secretly met in Washington that year with representatives of Egypt's jihadist Muslim Brotherhood, the Hamas ally that, while banned, dominates the opposition in the country.
Obama also chose Egypt as the locale for his ill-conceived Muslim outreach speech in June 2009.
Apparently, we weren't the only ones paying attention to Obama's double dealings, Chavez and Gaddafi did too, thus their reaction:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/01/30/uk-egypt-usa-chavez-idUKTRE70T3...
"Now you are seeing comments from Washington and some European nations. As President Gaddafi said to me, it's shameful, it makes you kind of sick to see the meddling of the U.S., wanting to take control."...
...Chavez scoffed at what he said was the United States' chameleon-like foreign policy.
"See how the United States, after using such-and-such a president for years, as soon as he hits a crisis, they abandon him. That's how the devil pays," he said.
Notice who's the devil now? I bet Chavez is missing W right about now...
Well, I must say those are interesting sources, dscott...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:04pm.
a highly partisan anti-Obama editorial and Hugo Chavez.
In any event, is the individual with whom Obama allegedly met in 2009 the same Muslim Brotherhood member the Bush administration assisted in 2008?
Jer
Reuters, highly
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:19pm.
Reuters, highly partisan??!?!?!? oophs, IBD you meant...
Jer, you really need to widen your news sources outside of the American MSM. You will never get the full story listening only to the shills for the Obama Administration. As proved here at NB time and again, the MSM has a narrative and any facts that don't support the narrative promptly get ignored or smothered.
But thanks at least for admitting Obama met with the Muslim Brotherhood in 2009, it's a start even if you call it allegedly.
The BO in Barack Obama stands for Backstabbing Opportunist. From Rev. Wright to Mubarak his track record is consistent. The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round...
Of course, the IBD editorial...Reuters quoted Chavez
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:49pm.
Widen my sources? What the heck do you think I've been doing at this website for a big chunk of the last four years of my life? You see, dscott, I have always thought it desirable to inform myself by consulting sources from across the entire political spectrum. So that's what I've done. And I highly recommend it.
Again, it was the previous administration which permitted the Muslim Brotherhood to gain a governing foothold in Egypt back in 2006 as part of opening up the democratic process. However, the present crisis, for which a calamitous unemployment rate appears to have been the catalyst, was most likely unavoidable regardless of US policy.
Jer
Who permitted the Muslim
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:47pm.
Who permitted the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt? As if tacit permission was given by America to Egypt regarding it's internal affairs? Please.
But thanks for recognizing the Bush Administration did in fact attempt to persuade Mubarak to loosen his grip a little and give more freedom. However, W didn't do it by back stabbing or encouraging radical Islamists to overthrow the Egyptian government. So much for your moral equivalence argument.
Barack Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood struck the match, its irrelevant what the fuel source is.
The State Department cables leaked by Wikileaks indicate the Obama administration knew of the Muslim Brotherhood's plans to overthrow the government prior to Obama's "alleged" meeting in 2009. Even worse, they indicate the State Department hid the identities of the plotters from the Egyptian government, an ally of the US.
Well, now US allies around the globe are wondering who's next? The ruling Saudi family? Israel? Karzai Afghanistan? Place your bets folks, place your bets. Who do liberals hate most of the three?
I think you are conflating
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:19pm.
a story with only one, afaik, source (an egyptian newspaper) with the wikileaks cables. Unless of course you are able to link the wikileaks document showing that Obama met with Muslim Brotherhood officials.
Conflating?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:23pm.
"Conflating"? Isn't that what you guys do behind closed doors while watching "Glee"?
OOPS, sorry, I thought you were misspelling another word.
Now you lost me again.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:29pm.
What word?
No worry, Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:30pm.
Everybody else on the board caught it.
You really are splayed out there for the easy score, aren't you?
Believe it or not
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:36pm.
English is not my primary language. Would you be so kind then?
→ Maybe tomorrow
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:44pm.
I'm studying the fine art of keeping a parrot in suspense.
How to keep a troll in suspense.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 3:48pm.
Just a minute troll, I will be right back to explain that for your simple little brain. You wait right here. Really. I will come back. I have nothing better to do than explain simple concepts to you and read your unattributed quotes of monkeypeople four times smarter than you.
Wait here. Ok? I will be back. Promise little trollie. I will explain it then...
Wait.
Right here. Just keep hitting that F5 key over and over. Or hit the Big Red X in the upper right corner. No. The other upper right corner. There. Hit it.
Sarcasm on
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 5:07pm.
Fortunately, I was sitting down reading this... (sarcasm off)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:43pm.
Although I dont have the time today to post a bunch of links, jon- is correct. Numerous articles from Telegraph/UK World news have been reviewing Wikileaks documents. Several articles have mentioned that the dissedent that was supported by Bush administration continued to receive support from the US Embassy in Cairo throughout the Obama Administration til 2010. Obama has been trying, through various diplomatic sources to get this unnamed dissedent out of a Cairo prison after his arrest in early 2010. He and his cohorts have been actively planning this 2011 revolt in Egypt with both the Bush and Obama administration's support.
Is there a source confirming
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:53pm.
that this guy is or was member of the Muslim Brotherhood?
Well, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:08pm.
I know that Bush was trying to encourage democratizing elements in Egypt, which makes it unlikely that he [or Obama] would have knowingly aided a member of a radical Islamic faction--if indeed that is an appropriate description of the Muslim Brotherhood. [According to reports, Al Qaeda does not think very highly of the organization.]
Jer
not very highly?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:12pm.
They are considered allies of al qaeda and Hamas.
-Jon
Maybe so, jon...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:30pm.
but Zawahiri doesn't particularly care for the Egyptian branch.
Jer
4 years ago
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 2:35pm.
Considering that was 4 years ago, a lot can and has changed during that time. And he wasn't criticizing just the brotherhood, he criticized the government too.
Not only that, regardless of what Zawahiri said, again 4 years ago, this "uprising" was a coordinated event by the brotherhood as it happened not just in Egypt but also in Algeria, Yemen, and Jordan. Tunisia was just the beginning.
-Jon
The point Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 6:50pm.
The Sunni's and the Shiites HATE each other. They will fight together on only one issue. Destroy Israel and the Infidels. They call their organizations by many different names but they are all the same basically. They hate non Muslims. When they are finished killing each other off they will then re-organize and start again but this time, with nuclear weapons in their arsenal. Nitpicking on which group is worse than others is to miss the big picture.
Remember, they beieve that they will inherit the world with an "armaggedon" of their making. The most important issue to the rest of the world is now the massive economic impact this will have everywhere else. Also remember, all of the links I have posted these past few months showing how the Obama administration has pretty much shut down any energy renewal industries. The oil shortage as a result of the turmoil in the middle east will be felt soon everywhere. Even if Obama lifts his "unofficial" moratorium, it will take months before the oil industry and the refineries can begin producing. By that time, the American economy will be showing severe crisis in many different industries including agriculture. Trouble is headed our way and Obama has been helping behind the scenes with his new stifiling regulations and incremental steps to destroy free market in this country. I am saddened by all the turmoil and fatalities in the middle east,but we need a strong leadership that will protect our economy and US soverignty.
The big question is Is Obama capable or willing to show that leadership and loyalty to America? This crisis in the middle east is going to expose Obama for being a true American or the traitor some say he always has been.
cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:39pm.
If that's the big question, I'll give you the big answer. No matter what decision Obama may make and no matter what action he may take, you can rest assured it will be unconditionally denounced by Rush Limbaugh--who is irrevocably invested in Obama's failure.
And what's with this seemingly irresistable impulse by conservatives to reflexively reach for the "traitor" card and fling it at US Presidents who happen to be Democrats? It was constantly thrown at Clinton, too. Do you really believe that because they have a political philosophy with which you disagree they must therefore hate America and are absolutely committed to its destruction?
Jer
Of course Jer
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:15pm.
Do you really believe that because they have a political philosophy with which you disagree they must therefore hate America and are absolutely committed to its destruction?
If you are attempting to "fundamentally transform America" into something it was supposed to be protected from ever being. Why would one believe he is not committed to it's destruction?
Ok Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:18pm.
If it helps you to understand my point of view, I didnt think much of Nixon nor George H.W. Bush.
It helps a little, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:01pm.
I thought a lot of George H.W. Bush...not so much of Nixon. But I never entertained the slightest thought that either of them or any other American President was a traitor.
Jer
Not yet Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:35pm.
I have not called Obama a traitor, not yet anyway. He is a regid ideologue determined to bring socialism to this country. Some of his policies have done great damage to our economy, foreign policy and created great divide in this country.
He may simply be incompetent because he is unwilling to bend his policies to meet unexpected difficulties as Clinton and Bush were both forced to do. I fear that he may see himself as some sort of "world citizen" rather than a true American. Some may see that as his being a "traitor". If he places the people of other countries before American citizens then we well could lose our soverignty, our democracy, and if that is indeed his goal, we will eventually know the truth. In the meantime, I follow his actions, not his words, behind the scenes where there has been a serious lack of transparency both by his administration and by the media. To be continued......
Just a quick note, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:16pm.
If you haven't checked out the lib/progressive websites in the past, it might be enlightening to do so from time to time simply to acquaint yourself with the complaints from the left regarding Obama's willingness to bend his policies in the face of unexpected difficulties or a perceived change in circumstances or a realization that some of his past views required adjustment. His continuation of many of the Bush/Cheney anit-terrorism policies is a graphic example. Abandonment of the public option in the Health Reform bill is another. Compromise on taxes is yet another. Cap and Trade another. There are many on the left who believe he's been a sellout and are extremely disappointed.
Jer
→ Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:23pm.
A good part of Obama's campaign was demonizing Bush for Gitmo.
All you're doing is admitting he never meant what he said.
Cool Arrow...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:55pm.
GWB explicitly rejected nation-building while campaigning.....and then became one of the premieir nation builders in US history. Are you admitting he never meant what he said?
Jer
No, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 6:22pm.
I don't think Bush envisioned an incursion into either Iraq or Afghanistan, pre 9-11.
I recognized GWB's right under the ceasefire to invade Iraq. That doesn't mean I agreed with him.
17 our of 19 hijackers who brought down the WTC were Saudis, so Bush invaded Iraq. Did they all look alike to him?
That's the question I was asking at the time. Pity the Democrats (who were entirely too quick to jump on the bandwagon) didn't think of that.
But then again, I don't see a lot of upside to coddling your enemy who blends himself into the home at night.
Nation building, if it must be done, should follow the most unspeakable horror your enemy has ever experienced.
Iraq was/is rope-a-dope.
A sellout Jer?*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:38pm.
The left doesnt believe that he is a sellout because he is willing to bend, they call him a sellout because he has not gone far enough to the left. I am surrounded by 3 liberal newspapers and 2 local tv stations run by liberals. I also am forced to read a number of liberal websites for particular aricles and even tolerate the lib mantra,,,anyone who criticizes Obama is a racist...its all Bush's fault..if the R's would just learn to compromise...blah blah blah
The democrats have had a majority in congress 4x's the time period as republican majorities yet no one questions how the democrats may be responsible for the countries economic woes. All problems are immediately relegated to the fault of any leadership that does not move far enough to the left.
Jer is pretty much all the liberal bs I can tolerate. Your brief summaries of the libness in the media is all my heart condition can handle thank you.
Not so, cajun....
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:51pm.
Not so, cajun...
They see it as Obama's failing to live up to his campaign promises, i.e. that he has caved on a number of important issues embraced by the left. In other words, he has demonstrated too much of a willingness to bend. It's not that they viewed him as a centrist who they wanted to shift more to the left. They viewed him as a solid progressive who has moved too far toward the center.
Jer
Well their delusional Jer
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:59pm.
When has Obama bent? He and the dimwits did what ever they wanted, from the stealfromus bill- to the financial reform bill. Not a single one was favord by the American people, not one.
Rush is invested in Obama's failure?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:22pm.
Ah baloney.
Like he was pushing up daisies before Obama.
He's got the audience, and it's been a constant upwards curve not matter who's in the WH.
I don't quite understand, SoL...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:57pm.
What does your comment [which I don't dispute] have to do with his being invested in Obama's failure? I'm not suggesting Rush's Arbitron numbers are dependent upon Obama's unfavorable rating with the general public.
Look, I haven't tuned in Rush on a regular basis since the 90's, although I still check out his website occasionally and catch a program clip or transcript excerpt here and there. Maybe you or or another Limbaugh listener can help me out. Has he ever complimented--or failed to criticize--Obama about anything When Rush slammed him over the Somali pirate incident--which could not have ended better--it indicated to me there really was nothing short of resigning from office which Obama could do that would induce even the most grudging praise from Limbaugh. Maybe I'm wrong. In fact, I would welcome being proved wrong.
Jer
Rush would definitely praise him
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:09pm.
If he resigned? No doubt. Obama is constantly against the will of the people. What is there to like?
Well, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:54pm.
There's always this.
Okay, start circulating the impeachment petition.
Jer
edited. Sorry Boudin....at first I thought you were SoL.
No problem
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:16pm.
I'v been mistaken for worse : )
Hey, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:35pm.
If Obama was in favor of confiscating 99% of all proceeds paid to lawyers, can you honestly say you would hope he succeeds?
I know it's possible you could skirt this hypothetical, but some of us honestly believe Obama needs to fail with a lot of his Change for America.
Nothing disrespectful about it. If the guy had more on the ball than "Punishing our enemies" you might have a case.
You don't.
Good ol' liberal Jer,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:24pm.
Never one to demonstrate reticence in any way shape or form when slamming Rush OR fawning over, or sticking up for, Barack Hussein Obammie-jammer; but will he EVER overcome his reticence about being reticent as far as admitting he was in error in calling out MD in front of NB's posters and perusers by stating that MD had erred in his use of the word "reticence" in describing Obama; as in "Obama has shown a distinct reticence to speak about his birth certificate controversy". Been a while, now, Jer. You said there "may be" a counter argument regarding my insistence that I used the word correctly. Where is that argument, Jer? Or am I mistaken in thinking that you were going to present one? It has been approximately 72 hours, now, give or take. Time to pony up, there, Jer.Still considering all options, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:54pm.
Don't want to do anything rash.
Jer
Too late for that, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:17pm.
witness your first mistake citing a misuse of the word 'reticence', on my part.
I ain't gettin' any younger, here, Jer.
Or, Snidely Whiplash; is that your nefarious plan, eh?
Gonna outlast me, eh?
You thinkin', mebbe, that is a viable move, eh?
Wowser, even Mandrake, the frosty, frozen, Canadian troll of the North doesn't use that many "eh", "eh", "eh-k-sclah-mation's" in one post.
MD
Okay, md...let's resolve this matter now.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:31pm.
Matthew,
A common practice is to use "reticent" as if it were a synonym for "reluctant" or "hesitant" as in, "I am reticent about criticizing my wife's new hair style." That is incorrect. I haven't reviewed your post in two or three days, but my initial impression was that you had also used it in that context rather than as a synonym for "uncommunicative".
Jer
C'mon Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 10:59pm.
Let's get ready to rumble. ,-)
Jer
Not only that
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:26pm.
But if Iran is for it, it cant be good news for the rest of us.
Oh Jer.Ding Ding*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:49pm.
Can I say I told you so?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/02/egyptian-military-calls-end-demonstrations-1705880116/
You rang, cajun?
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 6:04pm.
You most definitely can say it. But you have told me several things on this thread about this topic generally. If you'll specify which of those things you have in mind--the linked report doesn't make it clear to me--I'll give you my opinion as to whether or not your assertion/observation has been validated.
Jer
here Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:05pm.
Due to NB 2.0 eccentricities, my post got kicked down a bit. Please refer to my post #140, 1/31/11 5:50pm. When the young protestors were demanding change in Iran, Obama did not support them. When the people in Egypt began to protest, Obama encouraged them. As I stated in that earlier post, I suspected that more trouble was coming. Now Mubaraks supporters are in the street , hundreds of thousands, yet no one is offering them any support. The death toll will rise unfortunately. And then a stronger better armed extremist group will push both groups aside and take control.
→ Cajun
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:21pm.
For until Egypt, Obama's hour had not yet come.
But now, Obama has been chosen by his master to call together the Sons of Ishmael, yea, even the children of Pharaoh, who live round about the Land of Israel, that they might build a caliphate, and thus do the will of their master.
Thanks Cool*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 7:37pm.
Thank you for the words, my memory could only recall the meaning but it does indeed seem as though events are occuring as once predicted a thousand years ago.
cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:38pm.
The Bush administration waged a war to establish a democracy in Iraq which at this point has produced a government more closely aligned with Iran than with the United States. The Bush administration pushed for democratically modeled free elections to represent Palestininan interests in 2006, the winner of which was the radically militant anti-Israeli Hamas. The Bush administration worked behind the scenes in Egypt to support anti-government elements in Egypt antithetical to the continued autocratic rule of Mubarak. We are now witnessing the fruits of the seeds which have been sown there and throughout the region.
I think the lesson is that great care must be taken when pulling the democratic genie out of an authoritarian bottle. We may end up with one that doesn't particularly like us. And it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to stuff it back in.
Trouble coming? I wouldn't bet against it.
Jer
You're right, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 8:39pm.
Over and over, expecting a different result.
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:09pm.
"waged a war"
Love it, Jer. We can count on you (and trolls here) for the ultimate leftist, Bush-hating, hyperbolic narrative.
I believe the tyrant who was brazenly thumbing his nose at the world, mass-killing and torturing his own people, again and again violating UN resolutions, firing at us in the "no-fly zone", and being warned for over a decade to shape up or ship out -- not to mention, being fully acknowledged as a real danger (and all the more dangerous, being in the center of the Arab/M.E. region) -- by both the Bush and Clinton administrations, is the one who was itching for a fight, and thereby "waged" it.
New year, same old... with you.
- Shy Vinyl
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
Trouble from who*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 9:11pm.
There is no question, from reviewing wikileaks, that not just the US has been meddling in middle eastern affairs trying to spread democracy. My point was that protestors in Iran were demanding democracy or at least a voice in choosing their leadership. They have basically a secular populace with a radical religious dictatorship. In Egypt, it is opposite, a rather religious people with a secular government. Yemen, Jordon, Tunisia ,Lebanon have all seen uprisings recently. There are threats of uprisings in Saudi Arabia as well. Some of these countries have been shown to be quietly behind the scenes "allies" to Israel. Could this be the issue as the basis for the uprisings as revealed through wikileaks?. Many of those documents exposed these governments actions, not necessarily big news about where the US stands. Nor has the wikileaks documents been of much discussion in the US media but of great discussion overseas.
The US military has lessened its visible role in action in Iraq. Have you noticed that there are no riots or large protests in Iraq? Why would they protest when they have basically a democratic government? The insurgents in Iraq and Afgan. are radical extremists muslims. It seems to me, regardless of US intervention, democratic societies tend to have less violent methods of changing governments. So even if we do not agree with the meddling by our past administrations, they have shown democratic governments are peaceful "regimes". This president however seems to show little support for those who do aspire to a more democratic form of government. To me, this digression from past foreign policy is what is of great concern.
→ Punch that ticket
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 1:53pm.
We can only sit back and marvel as President Barack Hussein Obama outperforms Jimmy Carter.
You've gotta admit, this President surpasses even Rush Limbaugh's anticipated measure of Obama's success.
Bahaahahaha, the explaining
Submitted by dscott on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 4:18pm.
Bahaahahaha, the explaining begins regarding the Muslim Brotherhood ascension to power.
http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2011/01/31/alfred-e-newman-in-the-d...
Mr. Riedel-Newman is having none of it. In a remarkable piece for the Daily Beast called “Don’t Fear the Muslim Brotherhood,” he assures readers that the Brotherhood has long since renounced violence and may well be the “most reasonable” option for Egypt.
Well maybe not so funny for the Egyptians.
Don't you liberals hate
Submitted by dscott on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 12:12pm.
Don't you liberals hate when reality rears its ugly head?
Muslim Brotherhood wants end to Egypt-Israeli peace deal
http://en.rian.ru/world/20110203/162433368.html
Egypt’s banned Muslim Brotherhood movement has unveiled its plans to scrap a peace treaty with Israel if it comes to power, a deputy leader said in an interview with NHK TV.
Rashad al-Bayoumi said the peace treaty with Israel will be abolished after a provisional government is formed by the movement and other Egypt’s opposition parties.
“After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel,” al-Bayoumi said.
I do believe that's an I TOLD YOU SO.
and the plague spreads*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:45pm.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/day-of-rage-now-spreads-to-yemen-over-20000-take-to-the-streets/
"Muslim Day of Rage"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 02/03/2011 - 1:50pm.
What day isn't?
Starting to sound "co-ordinated*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 5:25pm.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/un-sec-gen-calls-for-revolution-world-economic-system-is-global-suicide-pact/
Your U.N dollars at work.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:51pm.
Let's abandon everything that works and use buttered puppies as currency and gravy slathered kittens as a store of material value because we said the mommy earth has a fever.
Wow Deuce
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:07pm.
This UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon is a nut case. Unfortunately folks are not pointing and laughing at him.
True Boudin*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:22pm.
At least some members of the council were strong enough to voice their disagreement, not that this story will even make it to US LSM.
Btw: we make get snow flurries tomorrow night. Happened last year but now if Cocodrie gets snow, then hell has indeed frozen over.
Troggy? You beg to differ?????
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 6:45pm.
Carried from above.
You beg to differ? How is it you even go so far as to beg for that which is already in your posession?
Stop begging. You're already different.
Well now. Let's just defer to the massive intellect.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 6:55pm.
That brain pan of troglodyt just can't compare to our tiny skulls.
For Your Eyes Only - James Bond - 1981
Anyone remember the scene where the DUCK gives a vital clue to James Bond on that boat? The DUCK repeats the phrase "ATAC to St. Cyril's" as DUCKS are wont to do.
wikipedia --- They discover Kristatos's rendezvous point when Melina's Duck Max repeats the phrase "ATAC to St. Cyril's".
Intellect far far far above ours.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:08pm.
I won't be posting for a while. I am off to a Jimmy Buffett concert. That is right, I am a DuckHead.
Can that intellect be measured?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:09pm.
Hey, my season tickets to the Pirates just came in. Man, I love that DUCK mascot they have.
You are right
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:14pm.
in terms of taste of music it is redundant.
If brains were candy...
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:19pm.
...troglodyt would be... Wow. I just don't have the brainpower to finish that.
Hey boys and girls. Go here to listen to the SQUAWKS of Ducks.
A 1 second clip?
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:26pm.
That was totally taken out of context. It's probably a chihuahua sounding like a parrot imitating a duck.
Seriously. What planet are you from?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:46pm.
The clue, and it was a clue, Clueless, the clue was the words Squawk and Parrot on that webpage. But whatever, you iz wicked smart. Now kindly prove it to us one of these days. We get lonely waiting for it.
Shouldn't you be roaming around right now around doing tapas?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:51pm.
Or SchnitzelWalk or something?
You're not gonna stay up all night, are ya?
12:55 am Tuesday (CET) - Time in Germany
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:55pm.
Late night in LoonieVille.
Well, to be fair,
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:02pm.
SchnitzelWalk begins at 3 am after Club Sprocket in München closes.
That reminds me
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:05pm.
You aren't by any chance from Louisville, Kentucky, are you?
Poor Trollie.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:15pm.
Poor Trollie prolly saving the punchline but that dang Veet won't take the bait.
This whole sad little episode where the sad little loser troll thinks I am imitating a duck when I clearly say parrot in post after post has made me realize something.
There is another species possibly more intelligent than troglodyt and certainly more entertaining.
[Original] Whip Your Hair Bird! Frostie Dancing To Shake Your Tail Feather! ©Karla K. Larsson
I'll be there
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:20pm.
in Louisville I mean, in september and wanted to invite you for a beer. For you I'd even bring the really good stuff from Germany.
~Hey!
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:06pm.
That's my man and I'll be dayemmed if some balding, wheezing, pimply troll with an overbite steals him out from under me. Go bribe your own kind, ya hussy.
But how does
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:08pm.
ATAC to St. Cyril's compare to Braaaaaackk. Squawwwwwkkkkkkk. Braaaaaaaackkkkk. in terms of informational value?
Huh?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:12pm.
Wrathful Brunette. We need the Idiot to English translator again. And someone don't know how to hit the reply button again.
I thought we had
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:18pm.
a jam session.
→ Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:02pm.
Do you even know the difference between Jam and Jelly?
Not
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:08pm.
if you capitalize them.
→ OK Troggy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:16pm.
It was a trick question anyway, one you're not capable of admitting.
→ Vet
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:20pm.
Now that you've trained the parrot, what's next?
Better file his beak down, although it's my experience they're pretty lifeless once you get their heads out of the vise.
~Vet
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 1:59pm.
Sorry for the delay, just saw this.
Translation: I don't have a clue what I'm talking about so I'll spout nonsense while hopping away awkwardly and hope that everyone focuses on the nonsense and hopping instead of calling me out on the fact that I'm full of horsehockey.--trog
Not exactly
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:02pm.
but close.
~Well
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 02/02/2011 - 2:09pm.
The hopping was really more like 'skipping', or maybe, "prancing". See also, "frolicking" and "cavorting".
Sometimes I am convinced you are not from this country.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 7:42pm.
I believe you are from another planet.
First of all, get the quote right. Phrases are interspersed BETWEEN the bird noises.
Braaaack. I'm not Zippers. Squaaaawkkk. I'm not nwahs. Braaack.
Braaackk. Police is socialism. Squaaaaawk. Firemen is socialism. Braaaaack. Highway maintenance is socialism. Kaaaaaackkkkkk. Unemployment is socialism. Skiiiiicccchhhh.
Another CLUE is my mention of the word PARROT.
Braaaaack. I'm not nwahs. Squawwwwwk. I'm not nwahs. Grraaaaaawwwwkkkk. I'm not nwahs. Will someone feed the parrot
Whatever you say, word bully. Braaaacckkkk. Whatever you say, word bully. Squaawwwwwwwkkk. Whatever you say, word bully. Brraaaaaaaccckkkkk. Someone feed that spineless parrot or it is going back in the closet again.
Squawwwwwwk. Won't act like that in Public. Braaaaackkkkk. Won't say that in front of people. Squaaaaaawwwch. Won't say that in Public. Somebody shut up that parrot or he goes back in the closet
It. Is. A. Parrot.
But Whatever, continue to think I am imitating a talking duck. Retard.
At least this time you didn't miss the t.
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:11pm.
I do believe that you mean a parrot since you clarified it the first time. I just happen to think it sounds more like a duck. Got that?
Hey parrot
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:12pm.
Don't sell yourself short. You do a pretty good loon too.
We don't know what a euroduck sounds like, OK?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:17pm.
Over here, it's just quack quack.
You should know how the Vet
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:22pm.
screws spelling when he is mocking.
It quacks*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:35pm.
But its much like a poule d'eau. Ask Boudin.;-)
Definitely Deuce
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 8:53pm.
A Coot, not very bright, and are all Gizzard. Plus it's a squeeky quack.
About 30% of them that land in the pond at work, collide with the building when they leave? Damdest thing I ever seen.
Exactly Boudin*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 9:01pm.
Not just stupid birds but notice there is not one single cajun receipe for poule d'eau....LOL
So, Jer, you are going with---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 01/31/2011 - 11:22pm.
"--my initial impression was that you had used it in that context rather than as a synonym for -uncommunicative-". You refer to me as using his 'reticence' as meaning 'hesitant', and say that is incorrect; yet it was merely your impression that I had done so. reticent - adjective (reticence - noun form): inclined to be silent or uncommunicative in speech. So back to my original - Obama has shown reticence in speaking about his birth certificate - matter of fact, I don't think he has said jack about it - and that most definitely fits the description of "being silent or uncommunicative" about the subject. Being 'hesitant' about the subject fits more in line with being reluctant to speak about it, but possibly eventually doing so. Unless you can show me where Obama has clarified anything whatsoever about his birth certificate, my use of the word reticence stands as proper usage.