At The Corner yesterday, Ponnuru put together a nice paragraph describing the 'President's' plan:
"In the primaries, Obama distinguished himself from Clinton on health care by opposing an individual mandate. In the general election, he distinguished himself from McCain by opposing taxes on health benefits. So now he is trying to pass bills with both an individual mandate and taxes on health benefits — and his supporters are saying that Congress should go along because he won the election."
How much more of this outrage are you going to accept before you say STOP? When do we all get up and say stop? I have a godawful feeling that November 2, 2010 will be too late.
What's next for US to do? They no longer listen to us. The dems get away with murder, lying, and cheating...yet the GOP says or does nothing.
My prediction...this won't be settled at a ballot box. They have to be defeated in the streets. It's the only way. If we get up at once, and tell them to stop, right in their face...they will stop. You don't need to be armed. They're cowards.
Awake the sleeping giant...and that giant is WE THE PEOPLE!
An estimated 3% of the population of the 13 colonies took an active role during the American Revolution; 3% of the current U.S. population would be roughly 9 million. I'm certain there were far more than 9 million in attendance at the numerous TEA party events around the country in the last six months.
They (we) assembled peacefully, unarmed, and stood up to say NO! to that den of thieves, liars, whores, and spineless wonders that is Congress.
They ignored us. And taunted us, belittled us, told us we are of no consequence. They called us ignorant, provincial, "astro turf", racists, hatemongers, uncivil, and any number of denigrations have been heaped on us by these ignorant, arrogant fools and their accomplices.
Then they have the audacity to slap all of us across the face with their Imperious Edict that will steal from us what little remains of our rights, freedom, and property.
The peaceful, lawful options have been tried, and have been found lacking. Short of organizing a nation-wide general strike or occupation of every (and I mean every) congressthing's local and DC offices on the same day - and good luck organizing anything on that scale - there are precious few options left to the people for redress of grievances.
I know what I'm prepared to do to preserve freedom - what are you prepared to do?
I know most of us are going to be watching football today, and I am no exception here, but please keep sending those emails and placing those calls. We have to keep the pressure up, even though most of our congress-critters are apparently deaf as a post.
If HarryCare is voted out onto the Senate floor tonight, I have a sick feeling it will ultimately pass in some form.
Once it is folded into PelosiCare, it will then become CommieCare, and America as we know it will be finished fer good.
Understand, there will be no "fixing" this in 2013.
This concept of oh, well, just vote for something and we can ix it is POISON, the worst sort of lie...Fixing things is hard or impossible once they gain momentum--and this nonsense will be zipped off the board until 2013, by which time the reg writers will have done their worst. Is your sub to the Federal Register up to date? Are you going to be commenting on every stupid or insidious regulation they crank out--like how the IRS decides you get a subsidy, or who will decide which studies determine which tests or treatments will be reimbursable or even which "policies" are acceptable--or even what "affordable" is. Maybe they think everyone surely has $500 a mo for this... But I do go on. We are so effed.
Sorry I took your color -- I corrected it. I've never been in a chat room, and I was so geeked by the color choices that I neglected to notice you already had chosen orange.
I'm in the pink now. ;)
"Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold."~Helen Keller
Unfortunately with Landrieu leaning yes after the $100 million payoff from her John (I mean Harry) the only question that remains is Lincoln tired of being a Senator because the polls show that a yes vote pretty much ends her political career.
Shove it down our throats in '09 and we will shove it up your A** in '10.
but why would Louisiana [or any state] vote out a politician that brings home an additional $100 million, over and above all the other pork she's brought during her tenure in office? Isn't that how Byrd has stayed in office for so long?
Love your tagline.
Chai
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” —H.L. Mencken
Lincoln is from Arkansas. So far she has not received her bribe. One wonders how big it is going to have to be if she is the hold out vote. The price of just getting to debate keeps going up. How much is the final bill going to cost to get 60 to pass this POS.
MC...I suspect her "people" are talking with Reid's "people" about how much cash it would take to buy her vote.
That's the thing that stands out with the RINO's (Snowe, Collins, McCain, etc, we know the list) and the "moderates": they are all for sale to the highest bidder. They pretend to be "thoughtful" and "considering all options", but they are political streetwalkers. Repulsive people and a disgrace to the nation.
They may as well hang a sign around their necks that reads: "Sign Up Here To Buy My Vote"
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Here's a story that illustrates the miracle of our current healthcare delivery system--the one Obama, Pelosi and Reid are trying with all their might to destroy.
This morning I visited a friend in the hospital. He's a year older than me, 69. 48 hours ago, he went to his doctor's office to have his pacemaker checked out--he thought it was acting up. His doc gave him an EKG, didn't like what he saw, did some other tests and told my friend, basically, "I'm scheduling you for surgery right now."
Turns out, my friend had to have two stints put in. That was done yesterday. Today, he's sitting up in bed, feels pretty good and will go home soon. 48 hours after he walked into his doctor's office.
This is exactly what is NOT going to happen with the Obama/Pelosi/Reid healthcare bill.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
This is Senator Patty Murray's approach in Washington State. Bring home the pork, ask for real life medical horror stories, ignore the opposition, turn a blind eye when Libs steal elections and enjoy positive spin from the press. Why did we give women the vote?
We gave women the right to vote because its a RIGHT not a privilege it is then on them to become informed about the issues and if they dont they are no different from a lot of men I have known. Blonde and Chose3 and Motherbelt are all good examples of informed women voters and I dont agree with them all the time but I would rather they voted then some men I know.
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
It also doesn't help that the education system doesn't teach the upcoming voters properly (or they don't care to be taught properly) in history and American rights I was in high school for a good part of the election.
I saw my friends and family fall for the pagentry of this election and are still in denial. It's the only approprite way to discribe why people won't see this stuff for themselves. They don't want to believe they allowed this stuff in.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
Funny how folks latch on to sarcasm. None the less, women have given us the nanny state, political correctness, gun control, the current school culture, feel good and fear based legislation and now the spectre of health care. The US is arguably the most female dominated country in the world. It's not necessarily a good thing.
It's the idea's in the individual's head. The idea of the nanny state, health care, gun control, PC, current education, etc. and the individual people behind themmale or female are the problem.
By the way I, a female, once gave a speech in school about why gun control is an absurd idea and got flak from a boy in the class as well as the female teacher. And I've never been one for PC nonsense. Although I will agree that FEMMINISM is a bit of a problem but that's a different rant altogether.
Oh and by the way it's just hard to discern sarcasm in texted. Can't catch voice tone and body language.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
Women haven't given us the nanny state, etc. MEN were (and still are) the primary people in government who passed these laws. Stupidity is equal opportunity.
What else will she do for money? Open the doors at the ports to allow large shipments of dirty weapons to enter the country? She does have a lot of pull in that state.
When Reid and Pelosi are using blackmail, bribery and graft to bully or buy the votes they need, then what hope is there for the people besides rebellion against this law once they pass it against our will?
Their use of dirty tricks to buy votes may be 'business as usual' in politics, but this is no game - this is no backdoor deal for a senator to get a library named after him, or get a few million in kickbacks from a business in his district.
This is an open power grab against the will of the people, and against freedom and liberty. Over 1/6 of the entire US economy is at stake - literally trillions of dollars - and also government mandates against our freedom and liberty on a scale unseen at any point in the country's entire history. And also taxes which dwarf what ol' King George did to tip the colonists into armed revolution.
This is unlike anything this country has ever seen before. And liberal senators don't even see it.
A government seizure of health care has been a liberal wet dream for decades. And now they think it's finally in their clutches. To illustrate how bad they want it, it could be compared to a teenager who's been waiting to get his first porno magazine. Now he's got it - right there in his hands, and the only thing that's preventing him from running to the bathroom with it is this vote in Congress. So naturally, he'd say or do anything to clear the path.
Want 100 million for your vote? Want slush funds? Abortions? Anything you want - just get out the way and let me take that porno mag into the bathroom!
It's hard to be optimistic in the face of this level of corruption, bribery and cronyism. They're not even really trying to hide it anymore, and they don't even seem to care about the outrage of the people.
I've been calling my reps every week to re-emphasize my outrage and demands that they stop this, but what can they do against a machine of corruption that has all the votes and is using OUR taxpayer dollars as slush fund money to buy what they can't get legally?
Rush spoke briefly about this Friday. He felt it was clear now that Libs truly did not care about opinion polls, they were about to have their way and it was every Holiday all wrapped up in one big package for them. We know Barry dismisses casualties if the goal is reached... but fat lady pelosi has not sung yet. By the way, has anybody noticed how ginormous her breasts are?
Yep, Princess Nan knows that she will likely lose a few dozen of her courtiers in 2010, and she will lose them whether this passes or not. The economy, unemployment and a dozen other of the Bamster's screwups will be enough. She might lose the house; I say 50/50. The Senate is safe.
They are counting on the fact that if and when it passes, nothing drastic happens until 2013. That way, in 2010 they can say -"see now, that wasn't so bad, was it?" -to voters. People forget, the frog gets cooked, and new issues come up. By the election of 2010, it might be the Bamster's brownshirt/basij Civilian Corps that is the hot issue, or amnesty.
Anyway, those House and Senate members that go down in flames because of their healthcare votes can get cushy jobs running some of the 112 committees that will run government healthcare.
I only saw it twice, but anyone else notice NB's newest advertiser? They don't discriminate on who they advertise to and truly will listen other peoples POV. Kudos NB.
I flipped over from the Carolina-BC game during a timeout to C-SPAN only to see the biggest idiot in the Senate, Al Franken, being allowed to speak. He is a buck tooth moron. Looks like the Dems would have tried to hide him. It appears he was reading from prepared remarks. Who ever wrote them was as big an idiot as he is. It made me want to puke so I didn't stay long. What is happening to my country?
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
Maybe some of you need cheering today; Michael Moore's new movie has closed after a two month run and gross of $14.2. That likely means a loss for Mikey. I don't know how much his trash costs to make, but surely he won't have as big a bankroll to invest in his next piece of Goebbelian trash.
I found that about 6:30 this a.m. and waited for the OT...then, of course, forgot due to the "chat" re: Senate nonsense. Thankfully, I was able to stream my Gators live (which just ended....else I'd have been totally nauseous).
Jihad Barbie!!! Have you ever seen anything so obscene in your life?
A short story sil vous plait. When my granddaughter was 5 she was a huge barbie freak. We started chatting and monmon explaining to her the kind of woman she could be. She is now 7 and for this past holloween, she wanted a new costume. It was WONDERWOMAN. Hope and change. Yep.
I have 4, all grown now. Kids are great! Enjoy parenthood, it rocks! Good for you! Raise James Michael well, I know you will. Congrats on the new baby. Bless you and yours! : )
Gary
Old media species: Moonbat-a-saurus-rex. Getting more endangered by the day.
Possibly a few tears, life being what it is, but while even wet cheeks have a lesson for us, it is my hope for you and yours that any lachrymal activity is caused by and accompanied by gales of laughter.
The best to all involved.
Congrats.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress.'
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic leaders secured the last two votes to move ahead on historic health care legislation, clearing the way for a Saturday night showdown on President Barack Obama's top domestic initiative.
In long-awaited speeches, centrist Sens. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana said they would stand with their party and vote "yes" on the crucial test vote despite deep reservations with elements of the 2,074-page bill to remake the nation's health care system.
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The two represent votes 59 and 60 for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who needs that many in the 100-member Senate to go forward. The Senate's 40 Republicans are unanimously opposed.
and when I heard that, I got to thinking "Yeah, right, BIG surprise."
They took a page out of Olympia Snowe's book in hemming-hawwing on "deciding" what to do about this, acting like they are the ONLY ones who hold the key to everything in their hands.
Next November is it, and there are times when I don't think even that will come along soon enough, given what has rapidly transpired since Jan. 20th.
What many aren't getting is that it isn't just CommieCare we have to worry about, but a whole lot of other stuff that is happening in the shadows and not getting much, if any, attention.
I heard Reid.... also heard Dodd's cry me a river for Kennedy BS too, we must pass this for him, blah blah blahbefore Reid spoke.
It's a done deal anyway, ordering to sit and vote in their seats is nothing but photo-op for the left for all the papers etc. ...why, this is 'historic' dontcha know...if I hear that one more time I'm going to explode....and this is also intending for the glowing presser Reid is going to have after this is over.
Makes me ill...all of this.
It's over ....for now.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
It's time to start fighting back. Even physically if need be. We should not allow this to happen regardless. I'm ready to go to jail for not having insurance(even if my job covers it, I'll never voluntarily get it because the gov't tells me to. Auto insurance is NEVER the same no matter how many people try to say it is).
Well, he got holdouts to agree to the debate, because those holdouts, though they may not like parts of the bill, DO want most of the bill, so they simply think they can get what they want added or removed in the floor debate. If they don't and nothing changes, they say they'll vote against it in the final full Senate floor vote. I think they're not so sure themselves. You can be sure that their messiah will be making a trip to Capitol Hill again, just as he did the day of the full House vote, and lay down some Chicago-style strongarm (or maybe its leg-break) tactics to get them to vote yes. I'm sure the bribe money is all on the table, because in a bill that's nearly $1 trillion, what's the big deal to them if they give one of the holdouts some massive amount of money for something in their state? What's a couple billion dollars in the grand scheme to these Unconstituional idiots?
No, you're right, this cannot continue forever. If 2010 rolls around and Democrats don't get their collective arses handed to them, it will send them one of the strongest messages in our history, and that message will be that the majority of America doesn't care what those idiots do. And if that happens, what they have been doing will be paltry once they get a voter confirmation that we, the voters, will do nothing. I pray that it doesn't play out like that, but if 2010 is not a huge swing against them, my fear is that it will.
2010 is much larger than most people think, because to those politicians, confirmation of their deeds, will only have them ramping things up like never before.
Haven't heard Beck in a couple weeks. Was he saying that these Democrats would not vote for it to even come to the floor for debate?.....or that they would not vote for the overall bill when it comes time for the final floor vote?
I had been hearing the phrase "it's DOA in the Senate" for weeks.
I had a pretty tough night last night watching the Dawgs lose and the Senate voting to toss a bill onto the floor that the Nazis would have salivated over.
Free: Hey, hey, hey! Stop insulting us all. Tee hee. ;)
Dave: I hear ya. Last night was not a good night. Let's just pretend it never happened. ^_^ I guess we'll get over the Dawgs...but the stinkin' bill lingers.
"And the trouble is, if you don't risk anything, you risk even more." ~Erica Jong, American writer
Barbara Simpson, host of a KSFO talk show, just noted that the head of the Communist Party in the USA, I think his name is Sam Web, said at an international meeting of the Communist Party in South Africa that, with Obama in office, this is the best time to be a communist in the US.
On Nov 13, 2009 Vice Chair of the CPUSA said at the University of Missouri:
"He's (Obama) only the beginning," (Jarvis) Tyner said. "I think he's a transitional president. I think somebody else is going to come in and take it even further."
And we already know they support the Obama/Reid/Pelosi healthcare fiasco.
Kinda vague. What constitutes "force them to accept"? That could be construed to mean that Christians should reject the Supreme Court. That could mean anything.
In this current climate with federal dollars about to pay for abortion, you're really going to sit there and blab about SCOTUS? You're smarter than that.
Because we honor justice and the common good," it states, "we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide or euthanasia or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family."
That part does. But what institutions? Catholic ones, or all institutions?
And, "George and other signers backed off from specifically defining what civil disobedience may entail. Wuerl's office played down the civil disobedience wording, saying he wasn't urging Catholics to "do anything specific," his spokeswoman Susan Gibbs told The Washington Post. "That wasn't something we had talked about.""
Sounds like they're all for civil disobedience, unless someone's actually thinking of doing it.
Obviously they were referring to "our" institutions which means those run by the signers. Pretty obvious.
Oh gee, the NY Times is there pressing for details on how a Christian might disobey the government....why on Earth would they be hesistant to suggest ideas?
Their message came through loud and clear, and plenty precise for Christians to understand.
Leave it to NB's resident Mr. Obtuse not to get it.
Candance, I get it. I think there's a lot to be left to interpretation by the MILLIONS of people out there, it's even discussed in the article. Let's go down the slippery slope and see what could happen.
Don't bother with the slippery slope. The plain language of the manifesto is so overbroad and overreaching that any widespread observance and application of its provisions would most likely engender a backlash of sympathy and support for the very activities it seeks to proscribe.
If the signatories and adherents are prepared to accept the legal and predictable yet unintended social consequences of their conduct, they are free to proceed.
Scenario: a homosexual couple in Massachussets want to be married in a Catholic ceremony at a particular parish. The priest denies their request; the couple sues and wins, in accordance with state law. The priest is ordered by the court to perform the ceremony.
If the priest complies with the court order, he violates his avowed personal beliefs and faces removal from his position and excommunication by the church (not to mention the consequences to his soul for violating God's law when he knew better).
If he does not comply, he can be fined, imprisoned for contempt of court, or both, i.e., the government uses force or the threat of force to make him comply.
So, Bal, what should the priest do in this very plausible scenario?
I'm now reading "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton Folsom, and I would HIGHLY recommend it as it explains much of the disaster what was FDR. FDR is considered one of the "greatest" presidents because of WWII. If not for WWII covering his disastrous ways and ideas, he could be one of the worst. He certainly, without a doubt, was one of the most desirous of a dictatorial way of governing, and didn't give a rats arse about the Constitution. We all know that many of his programs continue today, but aside from those tangibles, he changed the way Americans viewed their independence, freedom, and individuality. He began the handing out of money, from the federal govt in the form of "relief," (formerly was a state/local/charity function) and politicized it HEAVILY, most of which lives today, to the detriment of our nation.
I did the library for this one, after all, I'm paying for that copy already. ;-)
Let me throw in one example, because, well, I just gotta!
Soon after taking office, the dictatorship begins. National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) of 1933, later shortened to NRA. (symbol was the Blue Eagle ... http://www.gooznersolar.com/20071016decathlon/nra_eagle_we_do_our_part.j...). He brings the big players of industry to Washington to set prices. Example.....Goodyear, Firestone, Goodrich, decide on tire prices and that's what the prices are. If you signed on to it (must have been other benefits that were hard to refuse....Henry Ford refused), had a local or regional mom/pop shop and did great where you lived and sold at a lower price...........too bad, you had to sell at a higher price as decided by that group, so people now would buy from nationally known companies instead since it was a better advertised product. Same prices. Crap like that. Oh, business owners who didn't comply, went to jail. Yep, jail.
Supreme Court got a case two years into this disastrous Act, a man selling live chickens........one of the NRA prosecutors told the SCOTUS that this man had the audacity give people their choice of chicken, when he should have been making them reach into the coop and take the first one they put their hands on. Supreme Court laughed at the nonsense................and in the end, by a NINE to ZERO vote, ruled the National Recovery Act unConstitutional, in 1935. How many jobs were lost and businesses closed in those 2 years it was "law?"
Wow...sounds very familiar today...an attempted repeat...so far, only they are extending it as well now to where we cannot undo it with OCare if this passes with one toe in the door.
Cannot wait, my husband is going to love this book under the tree...I can tell by what you posted.
Thanks.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Millions of people who never voted in their lives, came out in 2008 and really don't give a rats arse about voting. The were "just there." Now they're registered and can vote if someone drags them out. Registration is no longer their inconvenient hurdle. Voting is a "right," but the Constitution stops there, so most people do also. People have that right, but take no responsibility to be informed. They know nothing, they just vote because they're told to. Very sad state of affairs, for a nation that is supposed to be the greatest on earth. We are, still.........but the gap between us and others is closing slowly. It's been closing for decades, due to other nations moving forward, but very much because of the big government ways that our government does to take us down a notch to help close the gap.
It astounds me that more is not made of the fact that this Health Care Reform/Health Insurance Reform fiasco is really nothing more than additional Welfare.
People with means, taxpayers, shall provide the money required to provide for (more) medical coverage for people who find themselves without same(for whatever reason).
I live in the biggest County, square mile wise, in the U.S. (So. Cal.) This County pays out more Welfare, in total dollar amount, and at a higher rate, than 11 states do.
Indigents and ne'er-do-wells flock here, especially just before cold weather sets in. County says, "Whoa, we can't afford this. If you desire Welfare assistance, you must establish and meet a six month residency requirement."
An unelected Federal judge says, "Whoa yourself there, County. By establishing a timeline residency requirement, you are violating these peoples' civil rights. That is unconstitutional."
Forty years ago, I bitched because I had to support a do-nothing family on Welfare.
Wonder how many worthless "citizens" my individual taxes take care of today.
MD
'There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
that political commentator Ben Stein had said at one time that invading Iraq was a huge mistake, and that Saddam Hussein should have remained in power.
Since I have a lot of respect for Ben Stein, I couldn't believe he would say such a dumb statement. Sadly, a search turned up this NewsMax article where Newsmax confirmed that Ben Stein said the decision to invade Iraq was a huge mistake and the U.S. was better off with Saddam Hussein in charge of the country. Stein also said the following on the Mike Gallagher Radio Show in 2006:
"We’re losing the war. We’re three years in and things are getting worse." "I’m positive we will leave Iraq soon,” he added, saying after the U.S. withdraws its forces "it will be a disaster.” ”I’ve never seen a foreign policy mistake quite this bad. [Bush] just made a terrible mistake."
Boy, Ben Stein was really off the mark on the Iraq war, which has so far been fairly successful. However, Stein was able to reclaim my favorable opinion of him with the article he wrote in July in the American Spectator titled We've Figured Him Out. Here are excerpts from that piece:
The American people in their unimaginable kindness and trust voted for a pig in a poke in 2008. They wanted so much to believe Barack Obama was somehow better and different from other ultra-leftists that they simply took him on faith.
They ignored his anti-white writings in his books. They ignored his quiet acceptance of hysterical anti-American diatribes by his minister, Jeremiah Wright.
They ignored his refusal to explain years at a time of his life as a student. They ignored his ultra-left record as a "community organizer," Illinois state legislator, and Senator.
The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar.
Now, the American people are starting to wake up to the truth. Barack Obama is a super likeable super leftist, not a fan of this country, way, way too cozy with the terrorist leaders in the Middle East, way beyond naïveté, all the way into active destruction of our interests and our allies and our future.[....]
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“This guy lies better than Clinton. He says the opposite of what he means better than Clinton. Clinton got away with it.” ~ Rush Limbaugh on Barack Obama
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The Plan
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 10:29 ET by slickwillie2001At The Corner yesterday, Ponnuru put together a nice paragraph describing the 'President's' plan:
"In the primaries, Obama distinguished himself from Clinton on health care by opposing an individual mandate. In the general election, he distinguished himself from McCain by opposing taxes on health benefits. So now he is trying to pass bills with both an individual mandate and taxes on health benefits — and his supporters are saying that Congress should go along because he won the election."
(http://corner.nationalreview.com)
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Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:48 ET by motherbeltLiberal logic; dontcha love it????
And don't forget this gem:
Obama Rips Clinton Over Health Insurance Mandate
That explanation is no longer operative -George Stephanopolous for Bill Clinton
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Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:51 ET by motherbeltLiberal logic; dontcha love it????
And don't forget this gem:
Obama Rips Clinton Over Health Insurance Mandate
That explanation is no longer operative -George Stephanopolous for Bill Clinton
Obamacare
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 10:32 ET by FarleyObamacare - redistributing the HEALTH.
Ask yourself one thing...
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 10:41 ET by AgentAmericanAsk yourself one thing...
How much more of this outrage are you going to accept before you say STOP? When do we all get up and say stop? I have a godawful feeling that November 2, 2010 will be too late.
What's next for US to do? They no longer listen to us. The dems get away with murder, lying, and cheating...yet the GOP says or does nothing.
My prediction...this won't be settled at a ballot box. They have to be defeated in the streets. It's the only way. If we get up at once, and tell them to stop, right in their face...they will stop. You don't need to be armed. They're cowards.
Awake the sleeping giant...and that giant is WE THE PEOPLE!
An estimated 3% of the
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:52 ET by KJ_sezAn estimated 3% of the population of the 13 colonies took an active role during the American Revolution; 3% of the current U.S. population would be roughly 9 million. I'm certain there were far more than 9 million in attendance at the numerous TEA party events around the country in the last six months.
They (we) assembled peacefully, unarmed, and stood up to say NO! to that den of thieves, liars, whores, and spineless wonders that is Congress.
They ignored us. And taunted us, belittled us, told us we are of no consequence. They called us ignorant, provincial, "astro turf", racists, hatemongers, uncivil, and any number of denigrations have been heaped on us by these ignorant, arrogant fools and their accomplices.
Then they have the audacity to slap all of us across the face with their Imperious Edict that will steal from us what little remains of our rights, freedom, and property.
The peaceful, lawful options have been tried, and have been found lacking. Short of organizing a nation-wide general strike or occupation of every (and I mean every) congressthing's local and DC offices on the same day - and good luck organizing anything on that scale - there are precious few options left to the people for redress of grievances.
I know what I'm prepared to do to preserve freedom - what are you prepared to do?
HarryCare must die, and it MUST DIE TODAY!
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 10:57 ET by R D HelmI know most of us are going to be watching football today, and I am no exception here, but please keep sending those emails and placing those calls. We have to keep the pressure up, even though most of our congress-critters are apparently deaf as a post.
If HarryCare is voted out onto the Senate floor tonight, I have a sick feeling it will ultimately pass in some form.
Once it is folded into PelosiCare, it will then become CommieCare, and America as we know it will be finished fer good.
Understand, there will be no "fixing" this in 2013.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Dave
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:00 ET by Free StinkerRight on !
We can not even let this monstrosity come up for debate!
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I agree that if this gets thru debate
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:42 ET by Worriedthen Commie Rationed No Healthcare Takeover begins.
However, there is a shimmer of hope down the road with people like Hugh Hewitt who is promoting an organization to reverse the vote.
Check it out: reversethevote.org/
I saw Ed Koch say just vote for it...
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:54 ET by StarAZThis concept of oh, well, just vote for something and we can ix it is POISON, the worst sort of lie...Fixing things is hard or impossible once they gain momentum--and this nonsense will be zipped off the board until 2013, by which time the reg writers will have done their worst. Is your sub to the Federal Register up to date? Are you going to be commenting on every stupid or insidious regulation they crank out--like how the IRS decides you get a subsidy, or who will decide which studies determine which tests or treatments will be reimbursable or even which "policies" are acceptable--or even what "affordable" is. Maybe they think everyone surely has $500 a mo for this... But I do go on. We are so effed.
Senate Debate Chat
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:10 ET by BlondeI've reopened the chat room we used for the Election night....if anyone cares to join in.
See you there or maybe not!
I hope he fails, too.
Orange you glad I changed my color?
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 12:39 ET by Georgia GirlBlonde,
Sorry I took your color -- I corrected it. I've never been in a chat room, and I was so geeked by the color choices that I neglected to notice you already had chosen orange.
I'm in the pink now. ;)
"Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold."~Helen Keller
Unfortunately with Landrieu
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:32 ET by MassConservativeUnfortunately with Landrieu leaning yes after the $100 million payoff from her John (I mean Harry) the only question that remains is Lincoln tired of being a Senator because the polls show that a yes vote pretty much ends her political career.
Shove it down our throats in '09 and we will shove it up your A** in '10.
I'd like to believe you're correct, MC,
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 12:28 ET by Chaitealoverbut why would Louisiana [or any state] vote out a politician that brings home an additional $100 million, over and above all the other pork she's brought during her tenure in office? Isn't that how Byrd has stayed in office for so long?
Love your tagline.
Chai
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” —H.L. Mencken
Lincoln is from
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 13:31 ET by MassConservativeLincoln is from Arkansas. So far she has not received her bribe. One wonders how big it is going to have to be if she is the hold out vote. The price of just getting to debate keeps going up. How much is the final bill going to cost to get 60 to pass this POS.
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/20/poll-shows-blanche-lincoln-sen
You shove it down our throats in '09 we will shove it up your A** in '10.
RINOs' Vote For Sale
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:55 ET by celatorMC...I suspect her "people" are talking with Reid's "people" about how much cash it would take to buy her vote.
That's the thing that stands out with the RINO's (Snowe, Collins, McCain, etc, we know the list) and the "moderates": they are all for sale to the highest bidder. They pretend to be "thoughtful" and "considering all options", but they are political streetwalkers. Repulsive people and a disgrace to the nation.
They may as well hang a sign around their necks that reads: "Sign Up Here To Buy My Vote"
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Done deal
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:10 ET by jon_torlinI suspect we're going to find out what it cost, because Fox News announced that Lincoln is going to vote to move forward.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/
I think she just made a deal with the Devil(s).
-Jon
Jon, yep, just now heard
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:24 ET by celatorJon, yep, just now heard that on the radio.
Here's a story that illustrates the miracle of our current healthcare delivery system--the one Obama, Pelosi and Reid are trying with all their might to destroy.
This morning I visited a friend in the hospital. He's a year older than me, 69. 48 hours ago, he went to his doctor's office to have his pacemaker checked out--he thought it was acting up. His doc gave him an EKG, didn't like what he saw, did some other tests and told my friend, basically, "I'm scheduling you for surgery right now."
Turns out, my friend had to have two stints put in. That was done yesterday. Today, he's sitting up in bed, feels pretty good and will go home soon. 48 hours after he walked into his doctor's office.
This is exactly what is NOT going to happen with the Obama/Pelosi/Reid healthcare bill.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
PM
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:22 ET by WesenThis is Senator Patty Murray's approach in Washington State. Bring home the pork, ask for real life medical horror stories, ignore the opposition, turn a blind eye when Libs steal elections and enjoy positive spin from the press. Why did we give women the vote?
We gave women the right to
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:40 ET by James2306We gave women the right to vote because its a RIGHT not a privilege it is then on them to become informed about the issues and if they dont they are no different from a lot of men I have known. Blonde and Chose3 and Motherbelt are all good examples of informed women voters and I dont agree with them all the time but I would rather they voted then some men I know.
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
I second that
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 18:12 ET by ChristianRebelIt also doesn't help that the education system doesn't teach the upcoming voters properly (or they don't care to be taught properly) in history and American rights I was in high school for a good part of the election.
I saw my friends and family fall for the pagentry of this election and are still in denial. It's the only approprite way to discribe why people won't see this stuff for themselves. They don't want to believe they allowed this stuff in.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
sigh
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:09 ET by WesenFunny how folks latch on to sarcasm. None the less, women have given us the nanny state, political correctness, gun control, the current school culture, feel good and fear based legislation and now the spectre of health care. The US is arguably the most female dominated country in the world. It's not necessarily a good thing.
= "I was being sarcastic,
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:29 ET by balboa= "I was being sarcastic, but now that you mention it, women are the root of all evil in America."
It's not the gender that is the problem
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 17:51 ET by ChristianRebelIt's the idea's in the individual's head. The idea of the nanny state, health care, gun control, PC, current education, etc. and the individual people behind them male or female are the problem.
By the way I, a female, once gave a speech in school about why gun control is an absurd idea and got flak from a boy in the class as well as the female teacher. And I've never been one for PC nonsense. Although I will agree that FEMMINISM is a bit of a problem but that's a different rant altogether.
Oh and by the way it's just hard to discern sarcasm in texted. Can't catch voice tone and body language.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Ephesians 6:12
Women haven't given us the
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 17:58 ET by Radical1979Women haven't given us the nanny state, etc. MEN were (and still are) the primary people in government who passed these laws. Stupidity is equal opportunity.
Well, that puts her in the
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 13:43 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonWell, that puts her in the cheap slut category.
She could have held out for a couple of billion.
What else will she do for money? Open the doors at the ports to allow large shipments of dirty weapons to enter the country? She does have a lot of pull in that state.
Obama, the first "alleged" president
http://gjresult.com
Mary Landrieu should be proud..
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 13:51 ET by CTShe now has the distinction of being the most expensive call girl in the U.S. Senate!
She's the best US Senator
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:56 ET by celatorShe's the best US Senator money can buy.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
When Reid and Pelosi are
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 12:36 ET by SlyrrWhen Reid and Pelosi are using blackmail, bribery and graft to bully or buy the votes they need, then what hope is there for the people besides rebellion against this law once they pass it against our will?
Their use of dirty tricks to buy votes may be 'business as usual' in politics, but this is no game - this is no backdoor deal for a senator to get a library named after him, or get a few million in kickbacks from a business in his district.
This is an open power grab against the will of the people, and against freedom and liberty. Over 1/6 of the entire US economy is at stake - literally trillions of dollars - and also government mandates against our freedom and liberty on a scale unseen at any point in the country's entire history. And also taxes which dwarf what ol' King George did to tip the colonists into armed revolution.
This is unlike anything this country has ever seen before. And liberal senators don't even see it.
A government seizure of health care has been a liberal wet dream for decades. And now they think it's finally in their clutches. To illustrate how bad they want it, it could be compared to a teenager who's been waiting to get his first porno magazine. Now he's got it - right there in his hands, and the only thing that's preventing him from running to the bathroom with it is this vote in Congress. So naturally, he'd say or do anything to clear the path.
Want 100 million for your vote? Want slush funds? Abortions? Anything you want - just get out the way and let me take that porno mag into the bathroom!
It's hard to be optimistic in the face of this level of corruption, bribery and cronyism. They're not even really trying to hide it anymore, and they don't even seem to care about the outrage of the people.
I've been calling my reps every week to re-emphasize my outrage and demands that they stop this, but what can they do against a machine of corruption that has all the votes and is using OUR taxpayer dollars as slush fund money to buy what they can't get legally?
don't care
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:29 ET by WesenRush spoke briefly about this Friday. He felt it was clear now that Libs truly did not care about opinion polls, they were about to have their way and it was every Holiday all wrapped up in one big package for them. We know Barry dismisses casualties if the goal is reached... but fat lady pelosi has not sung yet. By the way, has anybody noticed how ginormous her breasts are?
Re D.C.
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:50 ET by slickwillie2001Yep, Princess Nan knows that she will likely lose a few dozen of her courtiers in 2010, and she will lose them whether this passes or not. The economy, unemployment and a dozen other of the Bamster's screwups will be enough. She might lose the house; I say 50/50. The Senate is safe.
They are counting on the fact that if and when it passes, nothing drastic happens until 2013. That way, in 2010 they can say -"see now, that wasn't so bad, was it?" -to voters. People forget, the frog gets cooked, and new issues come up. By the election of 2010, it might be the Bamster's brownshirt/basij Civilian Corps that is the hot issue, or amnesty.
Anyway, those House and Senate members that go down in flames because of their healthcare votes can get cushy jobs running some of the 112 committees that will run government healthcare.
Slyrr... I've called
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:00 ET by bigtimerSlyrr...
I've called numerous time as well, they have their fingers in their ears.
We don't matter, we're just peons to them.
They seem to have forgot who pays their wages...hope '10 let's them know who their employer is, with an overwhelming 'YOU'RE FIRED' vote.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Parks and Recreation
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 13:36 ET by nolotrippenPerhaps almost as impactive as the Socialist turn America now faces is a little comedy show that has had the following themes:
1) An openly anti Chavez episode
2) An openly pro-hunting episode (even though one character takes a little buck to the back of his head -- without any Chaney comments).
Just thought you all might want to check it out.
“It is almost impossible to distinguish a politician from a gangster.” (Will Durant, 1931)
I predicted tea parties would return. Now I'm predicting dueling will return.
Lol this is what I love about NB
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 13:52 ET by shawn228I only saw it twice, but anyone else notice NB's newest advertiser? They don't discriminate on who they advertise to and truly will listen other peoples POV. Kudos NB.
I couldn't beilive it
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:18 ET by ricklailI flipped over from the Carolina-BC game during a timeout to C-SPAN only to see the biggest idiot in the Senate, Al Franken, being allowed to speak. He is a buck tooth moron. Looks like the Dems would have tried to hide him. It appears he was reading from prepared remarks. Who ever wrote them was as big an idiot as he is. It made me want to puke so I didn't stay long. What is happening to my country?
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
Best yard sign ever?
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:38 ET by ricklailThis has got to be the best yard sign I have ever seen.
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
Facebooked!
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:44 ET by nolotrippen“It is almost impossible to distinguish a politician from a gangster.” (Will Durant, 1931)
I predicted tea parties would return. Now I'm predicting dueling will return.
rick... It's one of my
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:49 ET by bigtimerrick...
It's one of my favorites as well, I've posted that elsewhere, plus emailed to all....says it all doesn't it...ya gotta love it!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
We'll see about that.
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:04 ET by Free StinkerBlanche Lincoln thinks we're going to stop calling?
"We'll see about that." -- Candance Moore
Feelgood Story
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:11 ET by slickwillie2001Maybe some of you need cheering today; Michael Moore's new movie has closed after a two month run and gross of $14.2. That likely means a loss for Mikey. I don't know how much his trash costs to make, but surely he won't have as big a bankroll to invest in his next piece of Goebbelian trash.
Michael Moore Loses His Ass, But Still Overweight: http://www.floppingaces.net
Barbies in Burkhas
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:11 ET by BlondeNow I've seen it all!
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde, yea that's bad
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:29 ET by upcountrywaterHow about this blonde lady?
State controlled health care ! music video.
OMG! How low are we going
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:29 ET by bigtimerOMG!
How low are we going to go...to me this is outrageous.
Eliana Lorena should be fired...pronto!
...we know that will never happen, why, it isn't PC now is it?
Reminds me of Hasan...and PC...at the cost to how many families, friends and 14 lives.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Seriously....
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 16:03 ET by BlondeBikini Barbie.....or Burkha Barbie?
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
I hope he fails, too.
Good Lord, what's next? Jihad Ken?
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:42 ET by R D HelmWill there be a camel doll, too? Will it come with a miniature bucket? A sponge? A water hose?
What about a Jihad Ken with a little do-it-yourself roadside IED kit?
How about Jihad Ken Jr. complete with an explosive-packed vest?
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
I don't know, Dave
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:58 ET by BlondeI found that about 6:30 this a.m. and waited for the OT...then, of course, forgot due to the "chat" re: Senate nonsense. Thankfully, I was able to stream my Gators live (which just ended....else I'd have been totally nauseous).
Jihad Barbie!!! Have you ever seen anything so obscene in your life?
I hope he fails, too.
have courage Blonde
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:17 ET by cajun2A short story sil vous plait. When my granddaughter was 5 she was a huge barbie freak. We started chatting and monmon explaining to her the kind of woman she could be. She is now 7 and for this past holloween, she wanted a new costume. It was WONDERWOMAN. Hope and change. Yep.
Thanks cajun
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:30 ET by BlondeBy the time she's 9, I hope she wants a Sarah Palin outfit.
Pour l'encouragement de les autres!
Thanks.
I hope he fails, too.
Phone calls from home???
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:26 ET by DelsaAre you kidding???
It is like phoning PUTIN and asking him to stop the repression.
Like Boxer said, "We won, YOU lost, Get over it!
Nothing we can do.
Now Delsa, they can't arrest all of us.
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:46 ET by R D HelmLOL-Well, at least I think they can't.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
My first child James
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:31 ET by James2306My first child James Michael was born this morning at 3:50 am Mountain time 6lbs 13oz 19.5 inches. He and mom are fine a new conservative in the fold.
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
James...congratulations!
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:33 ET by celatorJames...congratulations! Welcome to parenthood.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
James and family...may you
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:41 ET by bigtimerJames and family...may you have many joyful years ahead...glad to know another conservative was born healthy to join the rest of us.
Wishing you all the very best!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
James
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:59 ET by BlondeCongrats!
My best to his mom, and you, and your family! What a joyous thing....thanks for sharing such lovely news.
I hope he fails, too.
Congrat James!
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 18:22 ET by RukusI have 4, all grown now. Kids are great! Enjoy parenthood, it rocks! Good for you! Raise James Michael well, I know you will. Congrats on the new baby. Bless you and yours! : )
Gary
Old media species: Moonbat-a-saurus-rex. Getting more endangered by the day.
James & family---
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:15 ET by matthewdeanPleased for you.
Many adventures, smiles, and good times ahead.
Possibly a few tears, life being what it is, but while even wet cheeks have a lesson for us, it is my hope for you and yours that any lachrymal activity is caused by and accompanied by gales of laughter.
The best to all involved.
Congrats.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress.'
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Just saw this
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:31 ET by Par for the Courseyeah, mentioned this earlier
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:50 ET by jon_torlinand when I heard that, I got to thinking "Yeah, right, BIG surprise."
They took a page out of Olympia Snowe's book in hemming-hawwing on "deciding" what to do about this, acting like they are the ONLY ones who hold the key to everything in their hands.
Bastards all.
-Jon
Republican Senators are
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:43 ET by bigtimerRepublican Senators are having a news conference right now.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Congrats James
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 15:44 ET by DelsaHope the whole family lives happy and healthy.
My best to you and yours!
Hey Dave
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 17:12 ET by Delsathink of all the jobe created by building debtor prisions???
One more thing.
Can anyone get Glenn Beck off this third party idea. Seems he wants marxists in power forever?
We need to elect Conservative Republicans and if there are any, Conservative Democrats.
Two parties not 3,4,5,6,7,8,...
We can begin with Marco Rubio in Florida for the Senate
Delsa, Yeah, we don't have time for a third party now
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:08 ET by R D HelmNext November is it, and there are times when I don't think even that will come along soon enough, given what has rapidly transpired since Jan. 20th.
What many aren't getting is that it isn't just CommieCare we have to worry about, but a whole lot of other stuff that is happening in the shadows and not getting much, if any, attention.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Harry "The Body" Reid is a moron.
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 19:56 ET by Free StinkerHarry "The Body" Reid is a moron.
Says "We welcome debate". I call BS!
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Senate doing Roll Call
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:00 ET by Free StinkerSenate doing Roll Call . . .
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I heard Reid.... also heard
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:10 ET by bigtimerI heard Reid.... also heard Dodd's cry me a river for Kennedy BS too, we must pass this for him, blah blah blah before Reid spoke.
It's a done deal anyway, ordering to sit and vote in their seats is nothing but photo-op for the left for all the papers etc. ...why, this is 'historic' dontcha know...if I hear that one more time I'm going to explode....and this is also intending for the glowing presser Reid is going to have after this is over.
Makes me ill...all of this.
It's over ....for now.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Watching the vote...
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:13 ET by bigtimerGosh that Specter's got to be proud...he had another of his first honest votes again in decades.
Be glad when he's gone...for good.
Sad day for this country.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
60/39 It's
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:14 ET by bigtimer60/39
It's over.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
It's over.
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:26 ET by R D HelmYep, and in more ways than one.
Damn. :-(
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
BT/Dave~
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:28 ET by Georgia GirlIt bites.
It's time
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:16 ET by jon_torlinIt's time to start fighting back. Even physically if need be. We should not allow this to happen regardless. I'm ready to go to jail for not having insurance(even if my job covers it, I'll never voluntarily get it because the gov't tells me to. Auto insurance is NEVER the same no matter how many people try to say it is).
F*** YOU, BIG GOV'T!
-Jon
→ Reid, Blue Dogs, to claim win
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:18 ET by Cool ArrowI can't figure how else he did it.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Well, he got holdouts to
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:58 ET by GregEWell, he got holdouts to agree to the debate, because those holdouts, though they may not like parts of the bill, DO want most of the bill, so they simply think they can get what they want added or removed in the floor debate. If they don't and nothing changes, they say they'll vote against it in the final full Senate floor vote. I think they're not so sure themselves. You can be sure that their messiah will be making a trip to Capitol Hill again, just as he did the day of the full House vote, and lay down some Chicago-style strongarm (or maybe its leg-break) tactics to get them to vote yes. I'm sure the bribe money is all on the table, because in a bill that's nearly $1 trillion, what's the big deal to them if they give one of the holdouts some massive amount of money for something in their state? What's a couple billion dollars in the grand scheme to these Unconstituional idiots?
Greg... It's nothing to
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:07 ET by bigtimerGreg...
It's nothing to them...as long as we the tax-payers keep paying for the bribes...because we are.
Anger will grow, this cannot continue forever.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
No, you're right, this
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:17 ET by GregENo, you're right, this cannot continue forever. If 2010 rolls around and Democrats don't get their collective arses handed to them, it will send them one of the strongest messages in our history, and that message will be that the majority of America doesn't care what those idiots do. And if that happens, what they have been doing will be paltry once they get a voter confirmation that we, the voters, will do nothing. I pray that it doesn't play out like that, but if 2010 is not a huge swing against them, my fear is that it will.
2010 is much larger than most people think, because to those politicians, confirmation of their deeds, will only have them ramping things up like never before.
Greg... BullsEye! 'Doubl
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:28 ET by bigtimerGreg...
BullsEye!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
1948 freedom cartoon
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 20:53 ET by GregEThis is great. 1948, "I'll take freedom."
http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-f...
Let the Record Show
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:03 ET by Candance MooreThat I predicted all of this.
The Record
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:09 ET by Georgia Girl<<GG unrolls "The Record" and points to Candance's name on it>>
Beck must have known
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:12 ET by Candance MooreHe must have been tipped off by one of his informants. All those lies about Democrats voting against it were just that, lies.
Not surprising...
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:18 ET by Georgia Girlbut truly disgusting.
I think Free Stinker summed it up most eloquently in the chat room with:
@#$!%@$!%^#%@$!%#$@%#^@%!$@%@$!%@!$!!!!@$#@%$^#@&$*@^#$&@#^@#&@#@^@#^@^@$^$$!!!!
&%$#@!
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:21 ET by Free StinkerThanks GG !
&%$#@! &%$#@! &%$#@! &%$#@! &%$#@!
:-)
Haven't heard Beck in a
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:20 ET by GregEHaven't heard Beck in a couple weeks. Was he saying that these Democrats would not vote for it to even come to the floor for debate?.....or that they would not vote for the overall bill when it comes time for the final floor vote?
I had been hearing the phrase "it's DOA in the Senate" for weeks.
Yeah..I'm curious as
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 21:31 ET by bigtimerYeah..I'm curious as well.
What, when, where and why and all that jazz.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
the other way around
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:51 ET by Candance MooreHe was on his radio show yesterday saying don't believe the moderates can be swayed, it's a done deal.
As did I
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:47 ET by R D HelmNot that I am happy about it or anything.
Dammit. :-(
LOL-Of course, candance is much sweeter and far and away more patient than I.
Dammit. :-(
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Hell, what does it really matter, as most here think I'm nuts.
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:11 ET by R D HelmLOL-And they might just be right.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
GG doesn't think you're nuts!~
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 20:37 ET by Georgia GirlDoes somebody need a hug?
"Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold."~Helen Keller
GG, I'm okay
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 20:44 ET by R D HelmJust a little down right now.
I had a pretty tough night last night watching the Dawgs lose and the Senate voting to toss a bill onto the floor that the Nazis would have salivated over.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Me Neither !
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 20:50 ET by Free StinkerDave - you're no crazier than the rest of us! :-)
"Does thinking you're the last sane man left on earth make you crazy?" --Will Smith in "I Robot"
Free/Dave~
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 21:53 ET by Georgia GirlFree: Hey, hey, hey! Stop insulting us all. Tee hee. ;)
Dave: I hear ya. Last night was not a good night. Let's just pretend it never happened. ^_^ I guess we'll get over the Dawgs...but the stinkin' bill lingers.
"And the trouble is, if you don't risk anything, you risk even more." ~Erica Jong, American writer
CPUSA Head says this is the best time to be a Communist in USA
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:25 ET by celatorBarbara Simpson, host of a KSFO talk show, just noted that the head of the Communist Party in the USA, I think his name is Sam Web, said at an international meeting of the Communist Party in South Africa that, with Obama in office, this is the best time to be a communist in the US.
On Nov 13, 2009 Vice Chair of the CPUSA said at the University of Missouri:
"He's (Obama) only the beginning," (Jarvis) Tyner said. "I think he's a transitional president. I think somebody else is going to come in and take it even further."
And we already know they support the Obama/Reid/Pelosi healthcare fiasco.
It's all here:
http://www.cpusa.org/
They are right out there, aren't they? And the MSM is missing it all. On purpose.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
cel... Regarding the
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:15 ET by bigtimercel...
Regarding the msm...
Agenda...they're all part of group.
They make it so obvious now...even the simpleton fence-sitters are going to wake up and see the light, some are already, it gives me hope.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Religious Leaders Call for Civil Disobedience
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:42 ET by Free StinkerReligious Leaders Call for Civil Disobedience if Laws Don’t Respect Christian Faith
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Kinda vague. What
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:53 ET by balboaKinda vague. What constitutes "force them to accept"? That could be construed to mean that Christians should reject the Supreme Court. That could mean anything.
nice try, balboa
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:07 ET by Candance MooreIn this current climate with federal dollars about to pay for abortion, you're really going to sit there and blab about SCOTUS? You're smarter than that.
Candance, I'm saying this
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:42 ET by balboaCandance, I'm saying this statement is vague.
from the article, Bal
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:47 ET by Candance MooreBecause we honor justice and the common good," it states, "we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide or euthanasia or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family."
Sounds pretty concise to me.
Jon Stewart is just a
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:01 ET by MrShyJon Stewart is just a comedian.
- balboa
That part does. But what
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:08 ET by balboaThat part does. But what institutions? Catholic ones, or all institutions?
And, "George and other signers backed off from specifically defining what civil disobedience may entail. Wuerl's office played down the civil disobedience wording, saying he wasn't urging Catholics to "do anything specific," his spokeswoman Susan Gibbs told The Washington Post. "That wasn't something we had talked about.""
Sounds like they're all for civil disobedience, unless someone's actually thinking of doing it.
now he's quoting the article
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:16 ET by Candance MooreObviously they were referring to "our" institutions which means those run by the signers. Pretty obvious.
Oh gee, the NY Times is there pressing for details on how a Christian might disobey the government....why on Earth would they be hesistant to suggest ideas?
Their message came through loud and clear, and plenty precise for Christians to understand.
Leave it to NB's resident Mr. Obtuse not to get it.
Candance, I get it. I think
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:28 ET by balboaCandance, I get it. I think there's a lot to be left to interpretation by the MILLIONS of people out there, it's even discussed in the article. Let's go down the slippery slope and see what could happen.
unbelievable
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:42 ET by Candance MooreA lib is wanting to talk about the slippery slope.
Relax, Bal. Don't take it so serious.
Don't bother with the slippery slope.
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 02:59 ET by JerDon't bother with the slippery slope. The plain language of the manifesto is so overbroad and overreaching that any widespread observance and application of its provisions would most likely engender a backlash of sympathy and support for the very activities it seeks to proscribe.
If the signatories and adherents are prepared to accept the legal and predictable yet unintended social consequences of their conduct, they are free to proceed.
Jer
Candance, if anyone loves
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 14:20 ET by balboaCandance, if anyone loves the slippery slope more than conservatives, I'd be surprised.
Scenario: a homosexual
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:28 ET by KJ_sezScenario: a homosexual couple in Massachussets want to be married in a Catholic ceremony at a particular parish. The priest denies their request; the couple sues and wins, in accordance with state law. The priest is ordered by the court to perform the ceremony.
If the priest complies with the court order, he violates his avowed personal beliefs and faces removal from his position and excommunication by the church (not to mention the consequences to his soul for violating God's law when he knew better).
If he does not comply, he can be fined, imprisoned for contempt of court, or both, i.e., the government uses force or the threat of force to make him comply.
So, Bal, what should the priest do in this very plausible scenario?
Awesome!
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:54 ET by GregEAwesome!
my taxes pay for abortion?
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:57 ET by Candance MooreWe'll see about that. ©
:-D
This news makes my heart
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:12 ET by bigtimerThis news makes my heart sing.
Like I said, it will keep growing, it's a given now.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
A book
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:48 ET by GregEA book recommendation.
I'm now reading "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton Folsom, and I would HIGHLY recommend it as it explains much of the disaster what was FDR. FDR is considered one of the "greatest" presidents because of WWII. If not for WWII covering his disastrous ways and ideas, he could be one of the worst. He certainly, without a doubt, was one of the most desirous of a dictatorial way of governing, and didn't give a rats arse about the Constitution. We all know that many of his programs continue today, but aside from those tangibles, he changed the way Americans viewed their independence, freedom, and individuality. He began the handing out of money, from the federal govt in the form of "relief," (formerly was a state/local/charity function) and politicized it HEAVILY, most of which lives today, to the detriment of our nation.
http://www.amazon.com/New-Deal-Raw-Economic-Damaged/dp/1416592229
Greg... I've got it
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:08 ET by bigtimerGreg...
I've got it bookmarked for my Christmas list of books.
Sounds good.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Let me throw in one
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:26 ET by GregEI did the library for this one, after all, I'm paying for that copy already. ;-)
Let me throw in one example, because, well, I just gotta!
Soon after taking office, the dictatorship begins. National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) of 1933, later shortened to NRA. (symbol was the Blue Eagle ... http://www.gooznersolar.com/20071016decathlon/nra_eagle_we_do_our_part.j...). He brings the big players of industry to Washington to set prices. Example.....Goodyear, Firestone, Goodrich, decide on tire prices and that's what the prices are. If you signed on to it (must have been other benefits that were hard to refuse....Henry Ford refused), had a local or regional mom/pop shop and did great where you lived and sold at a lower price...........too bad, you had to sell at a higher price as decided by that group, so people now would buy from nationally known companies instead since it was a better advertised product. Same prices. Crap like that. Oh, business owners who didn't comply, went to jail. Yep, jail.
Supreme Court got a case two years into this disastrous Act, a man selling live chickens........one of the NRA prosecutors told the SCOTUS that this man had the audacity give people their choice of chicken, when he should have been making them reach into the coop and take the first one they put their hands on. Supreme Court laughed at the nonsense................and in the end, by a NINE to ZERO vote, ruled the National Recovery Act unConstitutional, in 1935. How many jobs were lost and businesses closed in those 2 years it was "law?"
There's a taste for ya! :-)
Wow...sounds very familiar
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:35 ET by bigtimerWow...sounds very familiar today...an attempted repeat...so far, only they are extending it as well now to where we cannot undo it with OCare if this passes with one toe in the door.
Cannot wait, my husband is going to love this book under the tree...I can tell by what you posted.
Thanks.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Greg---
Sat, 11/21/2009 - 23:55 ET by matthewdeanThe sob got elected four, count 'em, four, times.
Almost eighty years ago, now.
To this day, we have brain dead morons who are not only able to, but do, vote. (Witness the current pos in office)
Who are these voters, you ask?
Why, they are mostly the CPWSUGHs'.
What, pray tell, does that mean?
Couch Potatoes Who Suck Up Government Handouts.
Where are they?
Everywhere, apparently.
When do they show up?
Every time the Nanny State provides something the Couchers do not have to pay for.
How is this possible?
Libs and Dems primarily, arrange for it.
MD
''There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
And they're looking to
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:13 ET by GregEAnd they're looking to arrange for some more.
Millions of people who never voted in their lives, came out in 2008 and really don't give a rats arse about voting. The were "just there." Now they're registered and can vote if someone drags them out. Registration is no longer their inconvenient hurdle. Voting is a "right," but the Constitution stops there, so most people do also. People have that right, but take no responsibility to be informed. They know nothing, they just vote because they're told to. Very sad state of affairs, for a nation that is supposed to be the greatest on earth. We are, still.........but the gap between us and others is closing slowly. It's been closing for decades, due to other nations moving forward, but very much because of the big government ways that our government does to take us down a notch to help close the gap.
Yep---
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 00:54 ET by matthewdeanIt astounds me that more is not made of the fact that this Health Care Reform/Health Insurance Reform fiasco is really nothing more than additional Welfare.
People with means, taxpayers, shall provide the money required to provide for (more) medical coverage for people who find themselves without same(for whatever reason).
I live in the biggest County, square mile wise, in the U.S. (So. Cal.) This County pays out more Welfare, in total dollar amount, and at a higher rate, than 11 states do.
Indigents and ne'er-do-wells flock here, especially just before cold weather sets in. County says, "Whoa, we can't afford this. If you desire Welfare assistance, you must establish and meet a six month residency requirement."
An unelected Federal judge says, "Whoa yourself there, County. By establishing a timeline residency requirement, you are violating these peoples' civil rights. That is unconstitutional."
Forty years ago, I bitched because I had to support a do-nothing family on Welfare.
Wonder how many worthless "citizens" my individual taxes take care of today.
MD
'There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
md... You are talking
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 01:53 ET by bigtimermd...
You are talking about L.A. county aren't you?
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
bt
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 02:55 ET by matthewdeanSan Bernardino County.
East of L.A., north of Riverside Co.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
I was reading an article on Politico, and a poster had written
Sun, 11/22/2009 - 02:25 ET by Rush Fanthat political commentator Ben Stein had said at one time that invading Iraq was a huge mistake, and that Saddam Hussein should have remained in power.
Since I have a lot of respect for Ben Stein, I couldn't believe he would say such a dumb statement. Sadly, a search turned up this NewsMax article where Newsmax confirmed that Ben Stein said the decision to invade Iraq was a huge mistake and the U.S. was better off with Saddam Hussein in charge of the country. Stein also said the following on the Mike Gallagher Radio Show in 2006:
Boy, Ben Stein was really off the mark on the Iraq war, which has so far been fairly successful. However, Stein was able to reclaim my favorable opinion of him with the article he wrote in July in the American Spectator titled We've Figured Him Out. Here are excerpts from that piece:
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“This guy lies better than Clinton. He says the opposite of what he means better than Clinton. Clinton got away with it.” ~ Rush Limbaugh on Barack Obama