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Sarah Palin wins HUMAN EVENTS’ prestigious “Conservative of the Year” Award for 2008 for her genius at annoying all the right people. The last woman to get liberals this hot under the collar would have been … let's see now … oh, yeah: Me!
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PALIN2012
December 22, 2008 - 10:16 ET by MillerTimeWarpNuf said. McCain needs to go away. Waste of my vote.
It's cold
December 22, 2008 - 10:18 ET by 10ksnookerIn normally balmy South Florida, and that makes everyone cranky.
Sarah Palin is the future for the GOP, but she is going to need help. Now is the time for her to start building a supporting organization. Maybe even structure herself to use it to criticize the one and his crackpot looney toons. One of the best things the GOP can do is set up a loyal opposition in depth and in talent.
Cold here too
December 22, 2008 - 12:56 ET by ricklailIt is cold here in eastern NC too. But things are about to change. The low tonight is forecast to be about 20. Tomorrow a warm up begins. It is supposed to be in the lower to mid 70's on Christmas Day. I am heading west towards the hills where it going to be about 15-20 degrees cooler.
YOU CAN KEEP "THE CHANGE" PALIN 2012
Sounds like you'll be
December 22, 2008 - 13:31 ET by choselife3xSounds like you'll be passing through my neck of the woods in Charlotte.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
You should come up here
December 22, 2008 - 13:35 ET by Clear thinkerYou should come up here around Asheville. It got down to 9 degrees last night, and that was with a blowing wind. Can't imagine what the wind-chill was? All I know is... it's freezing here in the Mountains! Still praying for some Global Warming.
New Eco Game Hits The Net
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Brrrrrrrr
December 22, 2008 - 14:09 ET by choselife3xGot down to 25 here and I thought that was plenty cold!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
It was 13 degrees here in
December 22, 2008 - 13:51 ET by Scuba DudeIt was 13 degrees here in NYC and the wind was HOWLING! I don't want to think what the wind chill was.
Where's that thar Global Warmin them libs been talkin about?
It's still stuck in their
December 22, 2008 - 14:43 ET by Clear thinkerIt's still stuck in their empty heads!
More Dumb Ecofascist Propaganda
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Where's the ACLU when you need it?
December 22, 2008 - 10:25 ET by Prester JohnBaghdad celebrates first public Christmas
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- From a distance, it looks like an apparition: a huge multi-colored hot-air balloon floating in the Baghdad sky, bearing a large poster of Jesus Christ. Below it, an Iraqi flag.
Welcome to the first-ever public Christmas celebration in Baghdad, held Saturday and sponsored by the Iraqi Interior Ministry. Once thought to be infiltrated by death squads, the Ministry now is trying to root out sectarian violence -- as well as improve its P.R. image.
The event takes place in a public park in eastern Baghdad, ringed with security checkpoints. Interior Ministry forces deployed on surrounding rooftops peer down at the scene: a Christmas tree decorated with ornaments and tinsel; a red-costumed Santa Claus waving to the crowd, an Iraqi flag draped over his shoulders; a red-and-black-uniformed military band playing stirring martial music, not Christmas carols.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/21/iraq.christmas/index.html
Ann Coulter
December 22, 2008 - 10:26 ET by littlemissmuffinExcellent article by Ann Coulter. A definite must read.
Congrats to Sarah Palin! May she come back strong in 2012.
Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008). May justice be served.
My sweetie Ann!
December 22, 2008 - 11:47 ET by Wilbur747I was at her speech at the UofA when members of the Party of Tolerance and Free Speech tried to attack her with pies.
The two guys were somewhat 'disheveled' after being caught by security and audience members. The DA here dropped all charges claiming Ann refused to show up for some legal issue.
It turned out Ann never received any communication from the DA until it was too late.
Anyhoo. I've got all of Ann's books except her new one. They're all great reads
All I can say is pleeaassee
December 22, 2008 - 14:38 ET by goldbarAll I can say is pleeaassee let the GOP put Palin on the 2012 ticket. We really need a pug who pals around with drug addicts and then has them marry into their family.
Meow
December 22, 2008 - 14:46 ET by choselife3xSurely you can do better than that.
Concentrate.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
"I can see Russia from my
December 22, 2008 - 14:53 ET by goldbar"I can see Russia from my house" --Sarah Palin
No. That was Tina Fey on
December 22, 2008 - 14:58 ET by Jack BauerNo. That was Tina Fey on SNL.
But I'm not surprised you can't tell fact from fiction. It's your thing, really.
Besides, I can see Hillary Clinton's ass from orbit. Yummy.
Ha Jack!
December 22, 2008 - 15:13 ET by BlondeLittle libtards like goldbrick wouldn't know the difference if she shot him with one of her moose guns, he's been drinking the kool-aid so long.
"I can see Russia from my
December 22, 2008 - 14:59 ET by choselife3x"I can see Russia from my house" -Tina Fey
Raise you '57 states'.
Aim for accuracy.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
What's the difference?
December 22, 2008 - 15:08 ET by goldbarWhat's the difference? Aren't they both comedians?
Wow, you've got nothing
December 22, 2008 - 15:25 ET by choselife3xBut blanks in your popgun.
Boring.
Don't you at least have any dried peas or spitballs on hand?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Uh, no.... It was OBAMA who
December 22, 2008 - 19:50 ET by BDUh, no.... It was OBAMA who thought there were 57 states.
Hey stupid!
December 22, 2008 - 15:12 ET by Wilbur747Ever been to Alaska? Probably not since mommy and daddy won't let you out after 10 pm.
You can see Russia from Alaska. I've been there (unlike you) and have seen Russia.
Go back to your nap little one!
"I can see Russia from my
December 22, 2008 - 16:36 ET by ckc1227"I can see Russia from my house" --Sarah Palin"
That was Tina Fey, moron, lol.
Thank you. We now know without a doubt that you either have no clue, you have no problem lying, or you're the MSM's key demographic: the dumb voter.
"Libs never let you down. You don't have to talk to one very long before the stupid comes out."
Interesting that your moniker is goldbar
December 22, 2008 - 15:10 ET by Wilbur747Then you won't be upset when your Obamessiah takes your gold and redistributes it!
Speaking of drug addicts...have you done any research in your savior Obama? Seems he liked cocaine and had enough to be considered a distributor (to simplify it for you...a dealer) in many states.
But you are nothing but an uneducated troll so I don't expect you to understand...much less comprehend what I said!
Prepare NBers for a nuke...
December 22, 2008 - 15:20 ET by Wilbur747Hey goldbar, since you like spouting quotes, feast on these...(although I can't imagine you can read let alone comprehend)...
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998-Truth!
This was a quote from President Clinton during a presentation at the Pentagon defending a decision to conduct military strikes against Iraq.
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998-Truth!
Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon on this occasion to be briefed by top military officials about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction.
His remarks followed that briefing.
"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998-Truth!
This is a quote from Albright during an appearance at Ohio State University by Albright, who was Secretary of State for Bill Clinton.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998-Truth!
This was at the same Ohio State University appearance as Madeline Albright.
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998-Truth!
According to the U.S. Senate website, the text of this letter was signed by several Senators, both Democrat and Republican, including Senator John McCain and Joseph Lieberman.
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998-Truth!
The text of this statement by Nancy Pelosi is posted on her congressional website.
"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999-Truth!
This was from an appearance Albright made in Chicago.
She was addressing the embargo of Iraq that was in effect at the time and criticism that it may have prevented needed medical supplies from getting into the country. Albright said, "There has never been an embargo against food and medicine. It's just that Hussein has just not chosen to spend his money on that. Instead, he has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction, and palaces for his cronies."
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue a pace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001Truth!
The only letter with this quote from December 5, 2001 that we could find did not include the participation of Senator Bob Graham, but it was signed nine other senators including Democrat Joe Lieberman.
It urged President Bush to take quicker action against Iraq.
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002-Truth!
These were remarks from Senator Levin to a Senate committee on that date.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002-Truth!
This and the quote below was part of prepared remarks for a speech in San Francisco to The Commonwealth Club.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002-Truth!
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002-Truth!
Part of a speech he gave at Johns Hopkins.
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998.
We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002-Truth!
On the floor of the Senate during debate over the resolution that would authorize using force against Iraq.
He was urging caution about going to war and commented that even though there was confidence about the weapons in Iraq, there had not been the need to take military action for a number of years and he asked why there would be the need at that point.
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002-Truth!
Senator Kerry's comments were made to the Senate as part of the same debate over the resolution to use force against Saddam Hussein.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002-Truth!
Senator Rockefeller's statements were a part of the debate over using force against Saddam Hussein.
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002-Truth!
Senator Waxman's contribution to the Senate debate over going to war.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002-Truth!
Senator Clinton acknowledged the threat of Saddam Hussein but said she did not feel that using force at that time was a good option.
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003-Truth!
In a speech to Georgetown University.
Your turn...
Do you REALLY want to go
December 22, 2008 - 15:29 ET by goldbarDo you REALLY want to go there?
In other words you can't
December 22, 2008 - 15:42 ET by Scuba DudeIn other words you can't come up with a response because you have no defense against the truth.
Face it trol bar, you brought a plastic knife to a gun fight. Next time bring some ammo and not the stuff you just found in your diaper.
The question is do YOU?
December 22, 2008 - 19:25 ET by Wilbur747Bring it on troll! I think on this site, you're way outgunned.
gb, you can find these comments on youtube, case u don't read
December 22, 2008 - 19:52 ET by upcountrywaterhear and seeing clinton speak these words, is well eye opening.
but you are not about, anything that reveals the HISTORIC truth.
BECAUSE goldbar is a KKK loving (Democrat)
FREEDOM
Comprehend these: "Rarely
December 22, 2008 - 15:43 ET by goldbarComprehend these:
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" George W Bush, Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000
"I don't feel like I've got all that much too important to say on the kind of big national issues." George W Bush, 20/20 ABC, 15th September 2000
"I'm a uniter not a divider. That means when it comes time to sew up your chest cavity, we use stitches as opposed to opening it up." Bush, on David Letterman (who had just had open heart surgery), March 2, 2000. (the audience booed)
"There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of this [web] site, and this guy is just a garbage man, that's all he is." George Jr., discussing a web site that parodies him
"It's your money. You paid for it." George W Bush, LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program." George W Bush, during a debate in St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000
"It's your money. You paid for it." George W Bush, LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program." George W Bush, during a debate in St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000
"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." George W Bush, Pella, Iowa, as quoted by the San Antonio Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000
"I understand small business growth. I was one." George W Bush, New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000
"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." George W Bush, Reuters, May 5, 2000
"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." George W Bush, Pella, Iowa, as quoted by the San Antonio Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000
"I understand small business growth. I was one." George W Bush, New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000
"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." George W Bush, Reuters, May 5, 2000
"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment." George W Bush in an interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001
"Then I went for a run with the other dog and just walked. And I started thinking about a lot of things. I was able to-I can't remember what it was. Oh, the inaugural speech, started thinking through that." George W Bush, Pre-inaugural interview with U.S. News & World Report, Jan. 22, 2001 issue
Need more?
Let me introduce to you the
December 22, 2008 - 16:01 ET by Scuba DudeLet me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden.
Barack Obama
Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change.
Barack Obama
On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
Barack Obama
I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to.
Barack Obama
Why can't I just eat my waffle?
Barack Obama
Asked a foreign policy question by reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania during 2008 US presidential campaign .
Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions.
Barack Obama
In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed.
Barack Obama
On Kansas tornado that killed 12 people, 2007 speech blunder.
Ok, look, you know, when I was a kid, I inhaled frequently. That was the point.
Barack Obama
"I'll try to find you some
December 22, 2008 - 16:21 ET by goldbar"I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you." ―Palin, asked
by Katie Couric to cite specific examples of how John McCain has pushed
for more regulation in his 26 years in the Senate, CBS interview, Sept.
24, 2008
"All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these
years." ―Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she
reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Sept. 30, 2008
"I think if you're just talking about income, how about $5 million?"
―McCain, after being asked by Rev. Rick Warren to define "rich," Lake
Forest, California, Aug. 16, 2008
"I told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to
Nowhere." ―Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was
against it, and then took the money anyway.
"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I
can't.'" ―Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney,
after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the
mayor's office without approval of the city council
And last but not least....
"Mission accomplished" -George W. Bush proclaiming the 'end' of combat operations in Iraq.
Look, John's last-minute
December 22, 2008 - 16:38 ET by Scuba DudeLook, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S.
Joe Biden
Jobs is a three-letter-word, according to Biden speaking about John McCain's economic policies at a US presidential election rally, October 2008
If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.
Joe Biden
Addressing National Guard, Baltimore, September 2008, about time his helicopter had to make a landing not because of Al Qaeda but due to a sudden snowstorm.
When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, "look, here's what happened."
Joe Biden
In interview with CBS News, September 2008. However, Roosevelt wasn't president in 1929 and televisions were still experimental.
Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.
Joe Biden
Gaffe-prone Biden predicted an international crisis during first six months of Obama’s Presidency, at fund-raising gathering in Seattle in October 2008.
Uh, uh, Chuck Graham, state senator, is here. Stand up, Chuck, let ‘em see you. Oh, God love you. What am I talking about.
Joe Biden
To wheelchair-bound Missouri state senator, Charles Graham, September 9, 2008.
In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.
Joe Biden
In conversation with American-Indian political activist in 2006, he was later slammed for making insensitive and inappropriate remarks.
"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me." --speaking at a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire
"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden
"I had other priorities in
December 22, 2008 - 17:02 ET by goldbar"I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." –Dick Cheney on his five draft deferments, April 5, 1989
"Go f*ck yourself." –Cheney to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton, June 25, 2004
"Now tell me the truth boys, is this kind of fun?" –House Majority Leader Tom Delay (R-TX), to three young hurricane evacuees from New Orleans at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 9, 2005
"So anyway I'd be rubbing your big boobs and getting your nipples really hard, kinda' kissing your neck from behind...and then I would take the other hand with the falafel thing and I'd just put it on your p***y but you'd have to do it really light, just kind of a tease business..." –Bill O’Reilly as quoted in a sexual harassment suit filed against him by a Fox News producer, 2004
"And guys, if you exploit a girl, it will come back to get you. That's called 'karma.'" --in his book, "The O'Reilly Factor For Kids," 2004
goldbar
December 22, 2008 - 17:28 ET by shawn228I am not a big fan of our current President, but he never said "mission accomplished"
He had my vote
Correct.
December 22, 2008 - 18:10 ET by bianchi_bocconeS228,
He did say..."In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." while the banner was behind his head. A number of people drew the conclusion the war was over from his words and the banner.
...close but no cigar!
Ciao,
B.Boccone
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate." -D.Alighieri
Good evening Shawn
December 22, 2008 - 20:03 ET by cocodrieYou're right about the banner, it was made and put up by the crew. Their mission was accomplished.
I also agree with you about President Bush. He is no conservative, but Algore was terrifing to me.
Have a blessed and merry Christmas.
I like the Cheney Quote the best...
December 22, 2008 - 17:55 ET by bianchi_boccone"Go F*ck yourself!"
Better yet..."Andate tutti a 'fanculo!"
Ciao,
B.Boccone
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate." -D.Alighieri
Since when did you libs
December 22, 2008 - 16:23 ET by ckc1227Since when did you libs have a problem with drugs? Hello, you're lord and savior has a fondness for weed and coke, doesn't he? Like cigarettes, he probably doesn't use anymore though, he just has a setback every now and then, lol.
"Libs never let you down. You don't have to talk to one very long before the stupid comes out."
I think of it this way...
December 22, 2008 - 10:38 ET by Saint ZeroI voted for Palin, not the spineless grandpa that headlined the ticket. I think she'd make a great Conservative of the year, if only for finally exposing the Lamestream Media.
I agree with everything Ann
December 22, 2008 - 10:39 ET by motherbeltI agree with everything Ann said...including the fact that 2012 is probably too soon for Palin. Unless Obama screws up beyond belief, he's not going to be unseated, and she can do nothing but get better until 2016.
Mother
December 22, 2008 - 11:38 ET by ricklailI am not the best person to predict the future. I can't even pick winners in football. But, I do predict that Obama's newness will wear off. He is not going to be able to fulfill all the promises he has made. The money is not going to be there. The Democrat congress will have made such a big mess of things that come the mid term elections in 2010 we are going to see them slide.
The press is going to stay on Sarah constantly. Just look at how they have covered her church burning or the story about her daughter's mother-in-law. They have yet to cover Obama's radical picks in his cabinet. They want to bury her before 2012 because they know that Obama will be such a flop by 2012 she could walk right in and win.
YOU CAN KEEP "THE CHANGE" PALIN 2012
Agreed!
December 22, 2008 - 11:57 ET by Wilbur747As we've already seen, the MSM simply fawns over BHO like a young girl with kitten. We've also seen the video showing BHO voters who had no clue which party controlled Congress.
People thought he was a centrist because of the MSM. BHO will be shown in constantly favorable light. He can do no wrong. I loathe to predict he will not be unseated in 2012.
I like Sarah. To her credit, as AK Guv she needs to run the state, not worry about what Hugo Chavez is doing. She does need to keep abreast of events though.
She does need some polishing on things, but I like her fire and ideals. With the right people, she could very well be the one in 2016.
I hope both you guys are
December 22, 2008 - 12:34 ET by motherbeltI hope both you guys are right!
We can only hope MB
December 22, 2008 - 13:05 ET by Wilbur747Maybe she'll get some serious grooming by a Karl Rove type professional.
I keep imagining her as Prez. Smart, funny, down to earth and with a nice laugh, not a cackle like the Hildebeast.
Sarah seems to want the job to help the country, not like Hildebeast who only wants it for personal gain.
agreed
December 22, 2008 - 13:56 ET by katainkentit would have to be a whopper of a screw up to get past the armor plating, cotton batting and MSM human shields.
"part of what I'm hoping to introduce as the next president is a new ethic of [government enforced] responsibility" - B. Obama
Palin was McLame's Opus
December 22, 2008 - 10:42 ET by nofateLMAO! Coulter's filet knife is as sharp as ever. Like her or not, she can cut to the heart of a matter:
" In fact, I can’t think of a better place to put someone you wanted to keep away from the White House than on a ticket with McCain.
Palin was a kick in the pants, she energized conservatives, and she made liberal heads explode. Other than his brave military service, introducing Sarah Palin to Americans is the greatest thing John McCain ever did for his country."
And I'd be surprised if we've heard the last of Sarah. The woman conservative voters have called by her first name since she was announced. There is love here. Politicians connive their whole lives to get a little piece of what she exudes from her very being. Paraphrasing the famous words of the idiot rino governator: "She'll be back!".
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
BREAKING NEWS AP. Monday
December 22, 2008 - 11:09 ET by Jack BauerBREAKING NEWS
AP. Monday December 22, 2008
Obama Pleased the Obama Team finds Obama untouched by Blago scandal
Looking poised and in control, the magnificently physiqued President elect, graciously spoke to the the assembled throng of awe-struck journalists.
Commenting on the findings of his unbiased, self-appointed commission, President Elect Obama stated that: "I never had any doubt that the team I appointed to investigate me would reach this fair conclusion. I will now take my usual one follow-up question... Chris, Chris Matthews..."
"Thank you Mr President elect, long-time fan... I know you have a busy schedule but could, could I just ask you this... and I'm sure I speak for most journalists, but .. could I blow you?"
The Joke Goes On
December 22, 2008 - 11:48 ET by nofateCircle j..k.
The sun is blank. As are most of the press.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
That was great! I'm glad
December 22, 2008 - 12:46 ET by TD in FLThat was great! I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it ridiculous that the AP continues to put out stories saying Obama and Emanuel are 'clean' in the Blago incident based on findings by their OWN team. Is this indicative of the kind of internal investigations the Obama administration will have.
Obama: "I personally consulted with myself to uncover whether any wrongdoing occured. After some deep thinking, I am pleased to announce all my actions were appropriate."
Press: "While we already assumed your innocence, that was great of you to go the extra mile."
CONSPIRACY NUT ALERT!!!
December 22, 2008 - 11:19 ET by bianchi_bocconeCONSPIRACY NUT ALERT!!!
The Left is looking to make Mike Connell the "Vince Foster" of the Bush Era!
CONSPIRACY NUT ALERT!!!
Here's the Videos...#1 and #2
Absolute Nut Jobs!!!
Ciao,
B.Boccone
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate." -D.Alighieri
Oil price???
December 22, 2008 - 11:24 ET by ThisnThatWhat's the real price of oil these days? On Friday, it was $33/barrel. Today, it's $42/barrel, down $0.07.
Does this make sense to anyone? Or does it tell you the price is set by speculators, so that suckers like us pay through the nose?
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tnt
December 22, 2008 - 11:33 ET by littlemissmuffinYou're guess is as good as mine. Perhaps they can't add 2 + 2 and come up with 4.
(Must be the new BHO math)
Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008). May justice be served.
"Does this make sense to
December 22, 2008 - 16:15 ET by ckc1227"Does this make sense to anyone? Or does it tell you the price is set by
speculators, so that suckers like us pay through the nose?"
If it is set by speculators, why is oil down 72% from July record highs to $43/barrel today? Why is it half what it was last December?
"Libs never let you down. You don't have to talk to one very long before the stupid comes out."
Classic Coulter
December 22, 2008 - 11:34 ET by GothampcClassic Coulter! Always a great read.
And as usual, she sees the personality behind the person.
"Pre-Palin it had been one race -- boring old “You kids get off my lawn!” John McCain..."
Who else????
December 22, 2008 - 11:57 ET by Roscoe MendagoWho else would have earned that award? She was the right pick at the proper time with the wrong running mate. She has real ideas and convictions that are self made and not beholding to the DC elite, somewhat refreshing.
I'm working on my second million,-----gave up on the first.
Very good article by Ann.
December 22, 2008 - 12:06 ET by Scuba DudeVery good article by Ann. I can see myself voting for Gov Palin if she decides to run in 2012. I do not think that will be to soon for her, by that time she will hopefully be in her second term as Governor and will have become even more politcally adept at handling a hostile media.
All Republicans must remember from this election, NO ONE in the media is your friend or will give you a fair shake. Be on the offensive when dealing with them and make sure you point out every bit of bias in their reporting. Heck, make NB a daily read, we'll help you as much as you will let us.
P.S. Pop Tech, we know how you feel about Sarah. Please keep the posting to a minimum on this thread. : )
Pots 'n Pans
December 22, 2008 - 12:56 ET by nofateWell, that pot needed to be stirred. Glad you smiled when you said that ;o)
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
We need to stop concerning ourselves with 2012...
December 22, 2008 - 13:15 ET by R D Helm...and start worrying about January 20, 2009.
The so-called "moderate" PEBO has slipped a flaming commie past just about everybody in his selection for Secretary of Labor.
The Communist Party USA thinks she is the cat's a$$.
The near-useless republicans need to be raising hell about this pick, but something tells me they will remain stone silent.
Too bad.
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
Too bad indeed! New Eco
December 22, 2008 - 13:20 ET by Clear thinkerToo bad indeed!
New Eco Game Hits The Net
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NB will certainly have changes on 01/20/09
December 22, 2008 - 13:51 ET by shawn228As far as I know since NB has been around, we have had a Republican President.
Most posters defend the President, that he has little to do with how our economy is collapsing, the massive debt we are in and so forth.
I wonder if the same posters will be as forgiving of a Obama Presidency and say a President has little to do with these things.. Obama and his scientist stole Karl Roves weather machine and will covert it to a immorality machine.
He had my vote
Shawn, We are going to
December 22, 2008 - 13:53 ET by Scuba DudeShawn,
We are going to treat the Shahinshah exactly the way the libs/dems treated President Bush. But unlike them I am sure the cursing and hate will be far less.
Scuba Dude
December 22, 2008 - 13:59 ET by shawn228"But unlike them I am sure the cursing and hate will be far less."
You have a point. However I have heard my fair share of cursing and hate from a few select posters.
I guess there are embarrassing members from both sides of the aisle ;-)
He had my vote
Actually, we'll have
December 22, 2008 - 14:01 ET by andophiroxiaActually, we'll have legitamite gripes about President-Elect Obama's policies, effectiveness, and policies--rather than how liberals just see Republican and just 'see red'. ;)
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ~ Winston Churchill
I hope so andophiroxia
December 22, 2008 - 14:10 ET by shawn228I remember the day after he was elected the accusations were already coming in about how bad the stock market dropped because we just elected a business hating socialist.
He had my vote
Most posters
December 22, 2008 - 14:04 ET by choselife3xI believe a lot of posters would agree that President Bush has been far too liberal in his spending. Not to mention illegal immigration, bailouts...
Responsibility for the current economic state rests on Democrats affirmative action housing policies, RINO gutlessness, greedy lenders, and foolish consumers.
If Bush had steadfastly toed a fiscally conservative line I believe we'd be in much better shape than we are now.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I don't think anyone...
December 22, 2008 - 14:23 ET by Wilbur747could have said it better.
I voted for GWB twice, but on the second occasion, I was reduced to voting for the lesser of two evils.
Funny how the MSM never gives Dems the credit for the massive overspending that helped create the situation we're in. Bush got blamed for rising gas prices, but not credit for lower prices.
Don't even get me started on the officially sanctioned racist policy of Affirmative Action! Don't get me started on illegal immigration either! I live on the battle fornt in AZ and our great governor, Nepoli-Reno is slated for HS. May God help us!
For the life of me I can't figure out what happened to Bush. Did he think his reputation would falter if he stuck to conservative principals? Why did he feel the need to cater to the Dems?
We elect our Prez based on our ideals and beliefs. Such Prez should stick to those ideals and not waiver for the sake of "reaching across the isle".
It was the Dems who made it possible for low income folks to get into unaffordable housing (as well as their foolishness). I realize that we strive for the American Dream, but if you can't afford it, don't buy it.
I dream for another conservative like Reagan.
choselife3x
December 22, 2008 - 17:32 ET by shawn228I am not holding the democrats blameless for all our economic crises, but there is plenty of blame to go around. Don't forget that the GOP had control of the the Presidency and both chambers of congress for over two years and that was a disaster.
Obama will have the same kind on control in less than a month, God help us.
He had my vote
God help us indeed! :-)
December 22, 2008 - 17:49 ET by choselife3xWhat do you refer to specifically as a disaster about those 2 years? I'd love a discussion!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
choselife3x
December 22, 2008 - 18:59 ET by shawn228In 2004 even before Bush was re-elected when congress was run by the republicans, the federal budget raised over 2 trillion and the deficit to over 500 billion.
It just got worse after that, our national debt raised to over 8 trillion, Yes I know the msm is bias against the GOP, but there is no denying that 06 was a disaster for the GOP right.?
I am not going to include Tom Delay or Bill Frist, because there was no conviction or proof or ethics violations, but
Yes, I know about William Jefferson and fridge money and the double standard, but your question was why those two years was a disaster right?
Those two years also included the bridge to nowhere, out of control federal spending and when it came to earmarks, the GOP was no different than their Democrat counterparts.
I know as a Christian you will disagree with the euthanasia or you might even consider the word murder of Teri Shiavo, but I would be surprised for you to disagree with the fact that Politicians getting involved with that case backfired on them for votes.
The result was a thumpin' in 06
Fast forward to today, Obviously Bush is not responsible for everything, but he will leave his post with unprecedented national debt, an official recession and the one of the lowest approval ratings of any President since polling was created. It is actually quite sad how no one wanted to be seen with him during the 08 election.
He had my vote
Okay Shawn
December 22, 2008 - 19:06 ET by choselife3xNow, in your opinion, were any of those Republicans you mentioned adhering firmly to core conservative values?
(in their actions that is, forget the lip service)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
choselife3x
December 22, 2008 - 19:28 ET by shawn228No they were not, they were hypocrites all of them. ? That is what bothers me the most. I could care less about if David Vitter got "happy ending" from a masseuse, but he was so about abstinence only.
And yes, I hate hypocrisy from the left too. I could care less if a politician sees a prostitute, even if they are married, as long as they do a good job. That is why I say good riddance to that scum bag Elliot Spitzer because he was reponsible for many prostitution bust.
He had my vote
So if those men had been
December 22, 2008 - 20:17 ET by choselife3xSo if those men had been true to core conservative values, if they had guarded the border, cut the government fat, and rooted out corruption wherever they found it would there be a problem? Is not this whole mess rooted in Republicans failure to be true to the values they were supposed to represent and uphold?
'All that is needed for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing'
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
choselife3x
December 22, 2008 - 20:50 ET by shawn228Your original question was how was a disaster for the Republicans those two years, and I told you.
The corruption was also a very small part of my post which you decided to zero in on.
I'm not sure how you can say cut the government fat, when the moto is responsible fiscal spending, they spent like drunk sailors.
Did you know the President did not use his Veto pen once till the Dems came in?
He had my vote
That was my point
December 22, 2008 - 21:15 ET by choselife3xThe Republicans as a whole did not hold to core principles of small government, personal responsibility, and moral integrity. The reason they f'd up is they sold out. All the issues you raised would not have existed if they had acted like real fiscal/social conservatives.
All the disasters you referred to are attributable to their failure to act according to conservative standards.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
and my point is choselife3x
December 22, 2008 - 21:31 ET by shawn228All parties think they way is better than the others. Sure the GOP could have brought down the debt, and made our national prosperous if not for a few bad apples, just like how everyone could have free health care and illegal immigrants can live with us and none of us ever have to work again, if it was not for William Jefferson and Blogojevich.
Every party has its flaws and bad apples, it is how a party comes together in a whole that is important. The Repubican congress was a miserable failure just as much as the Democratic congress has been a failure for the last two.
Now that the Dems have control of everything, there is no excuses if they fail, but I am giving them the benifit of the doubt right now and hope for the best, because I believe in America, not a party.
He had my vote
So are we agreed
December 22, 2008 - 21:45 ET by choselife3xThat the problem with all the conservatives mentioned was that they didn't act conservative enough?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
nope
December 22, 2008 - 21:51 ET by shawn228Are we agreed the GOP congress did a horrible job? :-) If you don't agree, I would like to know what they did that was good.
He had my vote
Everything you said:
December 22, 2008 - 22:11 ET by choselife3xEverything you said: increased federal spending, budget deficit, national debt, earmarks (no better than the Democrats, your words), the moral failings of the men you listed, ALL those things are DIRECT VIOLATIONS of conservative principles.
I agree that the GOP congress did a horrible job at being conservatives.
If they had maintained the integrity of the conservative ideals of fiscal and moral responsibility we would not be having this conversation.
Basically your beef with them (and mine) is they've been acting like Democrats.
What say you?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
It does not just come down to party lines for me choselife3x
December 22, 2008 - 22:31 ET by shawn228It comes down to the person, I thought Reagan was a great President, I also thought Bill Clinton was a great President.
I have asked this question of quite a few people, are we better off than we were 8 years ago?
Some people say yes, but I disagree. We are much worse economically, health care cost has doubled, the job market is terrible, unemployment is out of control.
He had my vote
Will it surprise you
December 22, 2008 - 22:49 ET by choselife3xTo know that I am registered Independent? :-)
I am embarassed by the current Republican Party. I don't care what letter is after a person's name. I care about the content of his/her character. I have voted for several local Democrats in the past.
So as for my question, do you think that if all those Repubs you called out had been true to the fiscal/moral responsibility standards of conservatism we would still have a problem?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
"So as for my question,
December 22, 2008 - 22:59 ET by shawn228"So as for my question, do you think that if all those Repubs you called
out had been true to the fiscal/moral responsibility standards of
conservatism we would still have a problem?"
One thing about some folks on this site that I cannot stand about both libs and conservatives is when they cannot answer questions and try to deflect it elsewhere and start pointing fingers.
I don't want to be a hypocrite, but my answer to your question is, I honestly don't know. It would be too hard to speculate.At least I am being honest ;-)
He had my vote
I am pointing my finger
December 22, 2008 - 23:19 ET by choselife3xAt Republicans. And I asked you a question which you did not answer. You deflected to 'are we better off than we were 8 years ago'. A very open-ended question. My question can be answered with a yes or no.
The complaints you listed against the Repub party were; out of control spending on many levels, and moral failings on many levels. I pointed out that they violated everything they were SUPPOSED to stand for by their complicity in such things.
They did the things you listed: disaster.
Therefore, by being TRUE conservatives and NOT doing the things you listed: no disaster.
What say you?
(you show me yours, and I'll show you mine ;))
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
No No No Choselife3x:-)
December 22, 2008 - 23:28 ET by shawn228I did not mean it that way at all, I meant that I could not speculate on your question. It is hard to say.
You have not deflected any questions. As far as I can see , you seem to be a very reasonable person.
(you show me yours, and I'll show you mine ;))
.....trying very hard to supress comment that can get me in trouble:-)
He had my vote
shawn
December 22, 2008 - 23:42 ET by botgare you the riddler tonight?
and yes chose is nice : )
----- Radical Liberal
are you the riddler tonight?
December 22, 2008 - 23:51 ET by shawn228learned from the best Bruce :-)
He had my vote
Smirk
December 22, 2008 - 23:57 ET by choselife3xIt's been fun Shawn.
Thought I was gonna bring you back from the Dark Side for minute there. I could see the whites of your eyes, but ya bolted at the last second. *sigh*
Oh well, I'll just have to content myself with waving to you over the fence. If you ever want to take a walk on the *right* side of it just let me know. (we throw great parties, my cooking can make the lame walk, and you can drop the soap without fear, just don't drop your gun) *smirking again*
Night, the kids and my husband are asleep, I think I'll follow. ;)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
There may be no excuse if
December 22, 2008 - 21:55 ET by bigtimerThere may be no excuse if they fail, but they have 99% of the msm, 24/7 making excuses for them, always have...always will shawn...after-all the msm is the left arm of the DNC using their bully-pulpit loud-speaker for them, free of charge.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
December 22, 2008 - 22:04 ET by shawn228Your right the msm is on the Dems side. The thing is, you can't always have that as a excuse for your party.
If the msm had as much power and influence as some say, George Bush would not won in 2000 and won re-election in 2004.
The GOP lost and lost big in 06 because America was not happy with the directing our country was heading, same thing for 08.
As liberal as you believe I may be bt, I voted for McCain and if Obama does a terrible job, I will be the first to call him on it, but I will give him at least a year before I make any real judgements, because this will be a very difficult year no matter who won the election.
He had my vote
I don't use it as an excuse
December 22, 2008 - 22:13 ET by bigtimerI don't use it as an excuse for my party as you call it shawn.
Never have as you well know, I have pointed out my anger with my side of the aisle not using the msm in unison for three years or so here.
Period.
I don't know where you got I was making any excuse for the repubs by my post.
I was stating facts regarding the left.
Nothing less...nothing more.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Sorry bt
December 22, 2008 - 22:19 ET by shawn228Your right, you did not say that. My apologies. Do you agree that not just msm harmed the GOP?
Also unless Obama does an extremely bad job or we are attacked, the GOP has alot of work to do to avoid a 3-peat in the mid-term elections.
He had my vote
As I have stated before
December 22, 2008 - 22:34 ET by bigtimerAs I have stated before numerous times in the past, the GOP needs to put in conservatives, then support those conservatives...with conviction, and loudly...until they do, the 'R' side of the aisle is done.
Btw...like I said before, it won't matter if we are attacked again or if O does a bad job, (which he will, I look at just the cabinet he has named, says enough for me, as I have posted also) the msm will protect him.
Period.
They are cut from the same cloth, desiring the same agenda, results for this country, or better stated, what will be left of this country when they get through, with a lot of help from the RINOs with McC leading the way...being the good foot-soldier he is...my friend...wink, wink.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... I shudder everytime
December 22, 2008 - 22:41 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I shudder everytime I think about me pulling the lever for him. Actually, I pulled the lever for Sarah!
Hot Obama Love
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quick question ct
December 22, 2008 - 22:47 ET by shawn228Is the pictures of the people smoking on you web log symbolic of global warming or is a just a randem pic you chose?
He had my vote
shawn... It's the waifs
December 22, 2008 - 22:58 ET by Clear thinkershawn...
It's the waifs of the world that will soon be taking over.
Hot Obama Love
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Ct, Hot Obama Love???
December 22, 2008 - 23:19 ET by R D HelmYou know, I could have gone the rest of my life without reading those comments. :-)
What is really amusing is that those commenters constantly accuse us of being shallow-minded.
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
Be thankful I did NOT go
December 22, 2008 - 23:20 ET by Clear thinkerBe thankful I did NOT go with my first choice... "Obama Porn".
Hot Obama Love
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Ct, lol-just promise me one thing...
December 22, 2008 - 23:24 ET by R D Helm...that you won't ever tell me where you found those comments. :-O
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
Ct.... I found the
December 22, 2008 - 23:41 ET by bigtimerCt....
I found the comments by the nit-wits hysterical.
They are out of their minds...
I am serious!
These are the very people allowed to vote in this country...there really ought to be a law against these critters...same types that voted for Clinton twice, even though he was outright accused of rape, for these kind of people, it is a turn on.
As the Sick World Turns....and Turns...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Ct...we all had to do what
December 22, 2008 - 22:51 ET by bigtimerCt...we all had to do what we had to do for whatever reason we did so to vote against O.
My main reason was fear of what I know O will bring and my hatred for the msm...
I will never do so again though...I will vote my convictions/heart for the candidate that most represents me.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... One lesson I
December 22, 2008 - 23:01 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
One lesson I learned the hard way in this election was.... McCain will never get my vote again, even if it's just for Dog Catcher.
New rule in my house... If McCain is 'for' something, we will probably be against it!
Hot Obama Love
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Evenin' bt.
December 22, 2008 - 23:02 ET by R D HelmHeck, I'm starting to regret my vote for Bush in '04.
If that man signs one more stupid bailout, I'm going to hurl.
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
Well Dave, you know the
December 22, 2008 - 23:44 ET by bigtimerWell Dave, you know the line in the song "I did It My Way"....Regrets, I've had a few...
LOL!
Merry Christmas to you too friend, and may good look and determination from you have things work out Your Way!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt,
December 23, 2008 - 18:41 ET by R D HelmThanks, and a Merry Christmas to you and yours, too.
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
Fair point shawn... except
December 22, 2008 - 14:30 ET by Jack BauerFair point shawn... except I don't think Bush promised to lower the sea levels and personally create THREE million jobs.
Obama's personal promises do border on the realm of over-enthusiastic. He's the one who claimed that only he as President could achieve his von Muchausean boasts -- like ending global poverty.
"Most posters defend the
December 22, 2008 - 15:58 ET by ckc1227"Most posters defend the President, that he has little to do with how
our economy is collapsing, the massive debt we are in and so forth. I wonder if the same posters will be as forgiving of a Obama Presidency and say a President has little to do with these things.."
That depends on Obama. A President usually has little to do with these things. If Obama does stuff that WILL make things worse, like higher taxes, like cap and trade, like nationalized health care, like killing the coal industry, like restricting oil drilling, like spending an additional trillion dollars on top of our already out of control spending, then yes, you can believe we won't give him a pass.
As President, you can do the right things, and bad things will still happen despite doing the right things. But if you do things that are guaranteed to kill the economy, then you are to blame when that happens.
"Libs never let you down. You don't have to talk to one very long before the stupid comes out."
Forgiving Obama- Not.
December 22, 2008 - 21:14 ET by nofate"Most posters defend the President, that he has little to do with how our economy is collapsing, the massive debt we are in and so forth.
I wonder if the same posters will be as forgiving of a Obama Presidency and say a President has little to do with these things..."
Shawn, there is a lot there. Bush definitely had little to do with the collapse of the economy- that was accomplished by Carter, Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick et. al. via the pushing of unviable loans. The debt I would have trouble defending due to the massive spending programs- but don't think for a second that conservatives supported those spending programs. Rinos and country clubbers did, but not conservatives.
As for forgiving Obama because "he has little to do with these things", you are comparing apples to oranges. Obama is going to be responsible for the most massive transfer of wealth in history, destroy property rights, allow aliens free flow across the border, pack the courts- upper and lower- with leftist judges, encourage the reinstatement by bureaucratic fiat of the fairness doctrine, raise taxes as soon as he thinks he can get away with it, and probably sign off on the confiscation of our IRA's. And that's just for starters. If none of this happens, I'll be surprised. Forgive that? Nope.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
nofate
December 22, 2008 - 21:41 ET by shawn228"Obama is going to be responsible for the most massive transfer of
wealth in history, destroy property rights, allow aliens free flow
across the border, pack the courts- upper and lower- with leftist
judges, encourage the reinstatement by bureaucratic fiat of
the fairness doctrine, raise taxes as soon as he thinks he can get away
with it, and probably sign off on the confiscation of our IRA's. And
that's just for starters. If none of this happens, I'll be
surprised. Forgive that? Nope."
Well as far as I know, Obama has not done any of these things yet and is yet be sworn in. I wish I could stare into a crystal ball and know whats going to happen, but I do not and neither do you.
Yes Obama might have ideas you disagree with and your right he could screw up badly, but I honestly don't see how much worse he could be than our current leadership
He had my vote
Meanwhile, in Afghanistan, the USAF continues to hammer away...
December 22, 2008 - 14:06 ET by Prester John...(on 19 Dec) Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt IIs dropped guided bomb unit-38s onto anti-Afghan forces that were firing rocket propelled grenades at a coalition ground forces convoy conducting operations in the vicinity of Bari Kowt. The missions were confirmed a success by the joint terminal attack controllers.
In the vicinity of Kajaki Dam, an Air Force B-1B Lancer dropped a GBU-31 and a coalition aircraft dropped GBU-12s onto anti-Afghan forces who were firing rocket propelled grenades at coalition forces from inside a compound. The JTACs declared the missions successful.
Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped a GBU-38 and GBU-31s onto anti-Afghan forces in the open that were attacking coalition ground forces convoy conducting search operations in the vicinity of Nangalam. The missions were reported a success by the JTACs.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2008/12/mil-081221-afns01.htm
BREAKING NEWS The big
December 22, 2008 - 14:23 ET by Jack BauerBREAKING NEWS
The big political rumor in New York today is that Gov. Patterson is indeed inclined to appoint Caroline Kennedy as Senator.
Apparently, he thinks she's black! And no one has the guts to tell him the truth.
Feelings
December 22, 2008 - 21:17 ET by nofateJack, you know she's going to have to meet him so he can get a feel for her :-)
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
michaelyon-online.com
LOL nofate... You know
December 22, 2008 - 21:44 ET by bigtimerLOL nofate...
You know how the left are the touchy feely kind of people.
Let your fingers do the walking...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Favorite Line
December 22, 2008 - 14:26 ET by stratmanI love it when Ann goes pith-y on Liberals.
Joseph Farah rips Rick Warren for accepting PEBO's offer.
December 22, 2008 - 15:27 ET by R D HelmJoseph Farah is the HDIC over at WorldNetDaily, and is none to pleased with Rick Warren's decision to accept PEBO's offer of delivering the invocation at the anointing, I mean the inauguration of The One.
The more I have thought about it since the news first broke, the more I agree with Mr. Farrah.
Wow, I just love it when people don't mince words. :-)
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
My husband and I have been
December 22, 2008 - 15:44 ET by sherylsimsMy husband and I have been arguing about RW's acceptance since we heard about it. He feels it is important to let "our side" be heard at every opportunity and I feel like Rick Warren is a sellout. I was so happy to read Joseph Farrah's open letter to Rick Warren, because he worded for me my exact sentiments. Not wanting to be judgemental, just to be discerning. And he is right, I can't picture Jesus accepting that particular "opportunity".
Jesus not allowed in a Mississippi government school.
December 22, 2008 - 15:40 ET by R D HelmSome idiot "teacher" in a government school reduces a student's grade for mentioning the name "Jesus" in a poem.
Why is it I think if the student had written a poem about a child-molesting murderer named Mohammed that this idiot teacher would have had no problem with it?
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
Let me take this occasion
December 22, 2008 - 15:42 ET by ricklailLet me take this occasion to wish all my fellow NBer's a Merry Christmas. I have to work a few hours in the morning and then I am taking off for the western part of NC. You may not hear from me again until late Friday. Because my daugther and her family are in Indiana we won't have our get together until Friday lunch.
This will probably be our last Christmas together for a few years. Both son-in-law, the Marine and the Navy Corpsman are to deploy this summer to Afganistan. One of my sons is moving his family to Clearwater FL. Don't know when I will see them again. By the way that is 4 kids and 9 grand youngens.
YOU CAN KEEP "THE CHANGE" PALIN 2012
NYT duped by letter from the "Mayor" of Paris
December 22, 2008 - 17:22 ET by R D HelmIt seems the New York Times published a letter to the editor that was rather critical of Caroline Kennedy's senate bid. The letter came to the NYT in the form of an email, and was signed with the name Bertrand Delanoe, the current Mayor of Paris.
Only problem was, it wasn't an email from the good Mayor at all, but the NYT published it anyway without first taking the rather simple step of verifying its authenticity.
LOL-That's not embarrassing, now, is it?
Real "on the ball" bunch, those NYTers. :-)
(ht: Drudge)
-Dave
Merry Christmas everybody!
I promised to keep y'all updated
December 22, 2008 - 17:56 ET by RukusThe news we have been waiting for!
A Blessed Christmas to All!
Oh Ruk...I am so glad for
December 22, 2008 - 18:06 ET by bigtimerOh Ruk...I am so glad for all of you regarding your niece...at least knowing they have the monster before Christmas I hope helps with some closure of sorts, I know you all have a long way to go yet, but this is good news.
I could say a lot more, but more words aren't needed.
Thank you for keeping those of us who have cared a lot updated.
Bless you all and may peace come eventually to all who love her.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thanks BT,
December 22, 2008 - 18:17 ET by RukusI hope it took over a month because they were making sure of a rock-solid case. No plea bargains!! Thanks again, bless you and yours.
Uncle Gary
A Blessed Christmas to All!
Good evening Rukus
December 22, 2008 - 19:38 ET by cocodrieThanks for the news. Christmas is tough when remembering loved ones but they are enjoying the celebration a lot more than we are. Be glad for her. Have a blessed and peaceful Christmas. God bless.
Yes she is!
December 22, 2008 - 19:47 ET by RukusRight now she has that beautiful smile on her face as she enjoys her place in paradise. I'm sure our Lord is asking her for patience in greeting us there. One day, one day... Have a blessed Christmas.
Uncle Gary
A Blessed Christmas to All!
Rukus, my heart goes out to
December 22, 2008 - 19:57 ET by motherbeltRukus, my heart goes out to all of you.
And it may seem forever for you here, but for her it will be but the blink of any eye before you are all with her again.
Forever
December 22, 2008 - 20:09 ET by Rukus"And it may seem forever for you here, but for her it will be but the blink of any eye before you are all with her again".
Yes MB, and THAT forever will be wonderful! Thank you! Have a blessed Christmas.
Uncle Gary
A Blessed Christmas to All!
Rukus... I was unaware of
December 22, 2008 - 23:49 ET by JerRukus... I was unaware of Brianna's loss until this evening. Her life on earth, all too brief, a precious memory...but you know that "beautiful smile" now lights the streets of Heaven and warms the heart of a loving God who will hold her close forever.
Bless you and all of Brianna's family.
Jer
This is excellent news.
December 22, 2008 - 20:03 ET by shawn228In my opinion this piece of filth should be strung up by his b*lls.
Rukus I know this will not bring your niece back, but at least we know justice will be served
Have a Merry Christmas my friend, may God bless you and your family.
He had my vote
We shall see Shawn
December 22, 2008 - 20:13 ET by RukusI hope justice will indeed be served. Now comes the hard part, getting him convicted and then getting throught the appeals. At least he's where he belongs right now. And jail and/or execution will be the easy part for him, he stills has to answer to a higher power at some point. Have a blessed Christmas Shawn.
Uncle Gary
A Blessed Christmas to All!
Thank you for letting us know..
December 22, 2008 - 20:11 ET by upcountrywaterGood they bagged the "person"
FREEDOM
(D)
Thanks ucw
December 22, 2008 - 20:16 ET by RukusYour right, he's not human as far as I'm concerned. I will eventually forgive him as I know I should, but not right now, I'm still filled with rage about the whole thing. Time will tell. Have a blessed Christmas.
Uncle Gary
A Blessed Christmas to All!
Rukus
December 22, 2008 - 21:29 ET by littlemissmuffinMay God bless you and your family through this difficult time. Your niece is being cradled in God's arms now, so she can suffer no more. May justice prevail in this case.
Merry Christmas to you and your entire family
Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008). May justice be served.
Tomorrow Is Brit Hume's Last Day,
December 22, 2008 - 23:49 ET by Asian Conif I heard correctly, as host of Special Report. He'll be on a X-Mas break and when he returns, he said, he'll be doing commentary on FNC. I think this means we'll get to hear more of his personal opinions. I don't know if he'll get another show. Any guesses on his replacement? My guess is probably Brett Baier. He fills in most of the time and I think he does an adequate job. He covers the news objectively and professionally.
After the elections I got burned out on cable news and haven't watched much, as of late. Special Report was the only show on FNC that I tuned in to watch on a consistent basis. Well, that and Red Eye. I can tolerate O'Reilly, even though he's a pompous blowhard and never lets anyone get a word in edgewise, because he goes after the MSM and liberal loonies. Hannity & Colmes is mostly a screaming session and I'll be glad when Colmes is gone! I think they should replace him with Kirsten Powers. She's fair, reasonable, smart and nice to look at. Looking forward to Glenn Beck but, sometimes he's a little too doom and gloom for me. What do you guys think?
One more thing. Brit Hume would've made a great replacement for Russert on MTP. David Gregory?! Who wants to look at that for an hour? He is going to run MTP into the ground!!!
"For The First Time In My Life, I Am No Longer Proud Of My Country Because It Seems Like, Socialism Has Made A Comeback"
'Da Bears Win! Wherever
December 22, 2008 - 23:58 ET by bigtimer'Da Bears Win!
Wherever you are Dee...I'm happy for you...I was rooting for them tonight too.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Dave, R1, sheryl, RF and others...
December 23, 2008 - 01:04 ET by bigtimerOk you night owls left here....did any of you bother to listen to this on the Saturday funnies thread...this is hysterical...I mean it!
I'm closing out for the night soon, just hope some others here may get some enjoyment form this, after-all we all have these critters calling us.
...the guy that that gets him is GOOD! He is my hero!
If you take the time...you will laugh like crazy...if you don't, you have no sense of humor.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thx BT
December 23, 2008 - 01:45 ET by RESTLESS 1I had missed this. I hope I can remember this the next time one of these cold callers rings my line.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008