Media Report Pelosi's Pre-Bailout Vote Attack on Bush and GOP

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Before Monday's House vote on the largest government bailout in American history, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali.), in potentially one of the most poorly-timed displays of partisanship in recent memory, blamed President Bush and Republicans for the turmoil in the financial services industry (video embedded right).

Such ill-advised finger pointing seemed to surprise press members of all shapes and sizes as some prominent print media outlets including the Washington Post and the New York Times quickly published articles quoting Republicans who blamed the bill's failure on Pelosi's hyper-partisan speech.

On the television side, CNN aired Republican reaction to the Speaker's comments moments after the votes were counted (partial transcript and embedded video follow):

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REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R), MINORITY LEADER: Americans are angry, and so are my colleagues. They don't want to have to vote for a bill like this. And I understand that. But I have concerns about what this means for the American people, what it means for our economy and what it means for peoples' jobs. I think that we need to renew our efforts to find a solution that Congress can support.

I do believe that we could have gotten there today, had it not been for this partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House. I mean, we were -- we were -- we put everything we had into getting the votes to get there today. But the speaker had to give a partisan voice that poisoned our conference, caused a number of members that we thought we could get to go south.

And again today this was not about Democrats or Republicans. It's about our economy and what's best for the American people. And regardless of what happened today, we've got -- we have no choice, in my view, but to work together to try to find a solution to make sure that we save our economy and we save our constituents.

Roy Blunt --

REP. ROY BLUNT (R), MINORITY WHIP: Well thank you, John.

We did think we had a dozen more votes going to the floor than we had. No more than that, but we thought we had a dozen more. I think unfortunately, too many of our members were already on the floor when they heard that late speech by the speaker.

During this whole process, the tone in the room was so much better than the tone outside the room. We worked together well to try to come up with a compromise that could pass today, that the president could sign, that did what needs to be done in the economy. But every time you'd turn on television or read an article about the press reports of what the other side was saying, it was all about how Republicans either were unpatriotic or were there too late or whatever. Well, we're going to reach back out to them. We're certainly going to reach back out to our members. We're going to try to do our best to find a solution here that works for the American people. No matter how many times I said, Mr. Boehner said or Mr. Hoyer said or Mr. Frank said, we've got to put partisanship aside, there was way too much of that still going on, and a clock that nobody could control. You know, clearly needing to respect the holidays of this week, the Jewish holidays of this week, meant that we had to rush things in a way that made that job very hard and we made it harder today by so much partisan discussion in what should have been a bipartisan effort to solve this problem for the American people.

But we're going to reach back out to them. We're going to be talking to our members and see how we can come together in the next few days to reverse whatever negative impact there may be in the economy over the next few days because Congress has failed to act. And, remember, we're not in the majority in the Congress that failed to act today. And we need to reach back out to that majority and hopefully they'll allow us to be part of a solution rather than continuing to pursue a partisan discussion -- Eric.

REP. ERIC CANTOR (R), DEPUTY MINORITY WHIP: Right here is the reason I believe why this vote failed. And this is Speaker Pelosi's speech that frankly struck the tone of partisanship that, frankly, was inappropriate in this discussion.

CNN continued to raise this issue throughout the day Monday, while even more surprising, Pelosi's comments, as well as Republican reaction, were reported on all three broadcast network evening news programs.

For the record, here's a partial transcript of what Pelosi said on the House floor Monday that has gotten all this attention:

$700 billion, a staggering number, but only a part of the cost of the failed Bush economic policies to our county. Policies that were built on budget recklessness. When President Bush took office, he inherited President Clinton's surpluses -- four years in a row budget surpluses, on a trajectory of  $5.6 trillion in surplus. And with his reckless economic policies, within two years, he had turned that around. And now eight years later, the foundation of that fiscal irresponsibility, combined with an anything goes economic policy has taken us to where we are today.

They claim to be free market advocates when it's really an anything goes mentality. No regulation, no supervision, no discipline. And if you fail, you will have a golden parachute, and the taxpayer will bail you out. Those days are over. The party's over in that respect.

Democrats believe in a free market. We know that it can create jobs, it can create wealth, it can create many good things in our economy. But in this case, in its unbridled form, as encouraged, supported by the Republicans, some in the Republican Party, not all, it has created not jobs, not capital. It has created chaos. 

We'll never know if those words actually offended enough Republicans to doom this bill from passing the House. All three of Brit Hume's panelists on Monday's "Special Report" -- Jeff Birnbaum of the Washington Times, and regulars Fred Barnes and Mort Kondracke -- doubted that Pelosi's speech was the deciding factor in how this vote concluded.

By contrast, former Bush advisor Karl Rove told "The Factor's" Bill O'Reilly just moments ago:

Oh, she [Pelosi] had a huge impact on it [the bill failing]. You just ran a snippet of it. It's over five minutes of the most vicious, partisan rhetoric. This is the kind of thing you expect to hear on the floor of the House from some insignificant, partisan back-bencher. You do not expect to hear it from a leader, the Speaker of the House, whose responsibility is to try and set the bipartisan tone to get this bill passed. I was appalled by this. In a moment when leadership was required by the Speaker, she offered nothing but hyper-partisanship and it hurt a lot.   

For what it's worth, here's my opinion: While I watched this live this morning, I suddenly wanted the bill to fail because of how appalling I found her behavior. As Rove accurately stated, her goal should have been to reach across the aisle today to get as many Republicans to vote for this as possible. This was essential due to the number of Democrats that weren't going to vote in favor of it.

With that in mind, to use this as an opportunity to once again bash the President and his Party was absurd, and the media reaction to it suggests many press members agree.

What does that tells us?

That so many media outlets chose not only to report this bizarre political miscue, but also air Republican assertions that Pelosi might have been responsible for the bill's failure could be an indication of just how concerned press members are about their own personal finances.

As NewsBusters has been reporting for the past several weeks, Obama-loving media members have been predicting that bad headlines from Wall Street help the junior senator from Illinois and hurt McCain. It seemed at times that press members have been almost jubilant about recent stock market declines.

Yet, that appears to have changed today, and maybe it's because as soon as the bill failed, the markets plummeted possibly waking media up to the possibility of much greater declines in the days, weeks, and months to come if a bailout doesn't occur. 

Have their own wallets finally taken precedent over their political leanings? Was the thought of a cascading stock market, a deep recession nay depression, and massive losses to their retirement portfolios scary enough to make Obama-loving media point fingers at anyone that might have gotten in the way of a possible remedy...even if it was their beloved Madame Speaker?

If in the coming days press members that have been highly skeptical about the Bush-Paulson plan suddenly begin extolling the virtues of a bailout we'll know won't we?

Stay tuned. 

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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She did not see the video?

  Someone send her the link and show her how youtube works.

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? V2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY

  Also what in the name of all that walks on 8 legs does the deficit have to do with the financial mess? I do believe the opposition to this fix is that it will add TO the deficit.

 Talk about Obama not being qualified for the job he is trying to get. She is not qualified for the job she has.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Amen

IF the left dares to try to pass this by themselves.. and I think they just might put up a bill that has every piece of pork they want, it will be because Nancy is stomping her little hooves and doesn't give a fiddlers fart about the country.  God bless those Repubs who stuck it to her.  (Here's a bracelet for ya Nancy..)

"I have a bracelet too" ..Barak Obama, Political Sociopath

proof that MSM are morons for supporting Democrats

MSM executives, directors, managers and yes, news reporter's portfolios are in the "toilet" right now.  But its their own fault for supporting Democrats all these years, who fought any regulation, tooth and nail, including fighting Pres Bush, John McCain and against other Republicans. These Republicans fought for better regulations for Fannie May, Freddie Mac and banking regulation, from the mid-1990s, even until now. And the proof is on the record, thanks to CSPAN.

Now to prove the MSM is full of morons, they are letting Democrats blame Republicans, but it is the fault of Democrats that these MSM "numb nuts" have portfolios that are headed for Davey Jones locker.

And you want to know what now makes MSM into "criminals," in my mind? Is is that now they are helping Pelosi and the rest of the "animals" in Congress try to make the tax payers pay so their portfolios will get better. And the MSM lies to us to tell us its to "save the economy".

NO, IT IS NOT --  INSTEAD IT IS TO SAVE THE ASSES OF MSM EXECUTIVES, DIRECTORS, MANAGERS AND NEWS REPORTERS WHOSE PORTFOLIOS ARE IN THE "TOILET".

AND IT IS TO SAVE THE PORTFOLIOS OF OTHER "FAT CATS" AS WELL.

And now for the satire: MSM executives cannot tell the difference between a toilet bowl and a punch bowl. Guess which political party represents the toilet bowl?

That video is missing alot of the economics of the problem

The CRA, changes made to the CRA, Fannie and Freddie all were the foundation but it was Greenspan dropping the Fed rate to ridiculous lows that fueled the recent ARM boom and thus when they raised it causing the bust. Remember only 6% of mortgages are defaulting of which 43% are ARMs.

The whole Obama connection is reaching, he had little to do with any of it. It also trys to make Bush out to be some hero when he helped cause the problem!

Bush's 'American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003' (Lew Rockwell)
Bovard: Bush to End Scarcity (Ludwig Von Mises Institute)

"Bush is determined to end the bias against people who want to buy a home but don't have any money."

- A White House Fact Sheet issued June 17, 2002, declared that Bush's agenda "will help tear down the barriers to homeownership that stand in the way of our nation's African-American, Hispanic and other minority families. ... The single biggest barrier to homeownership is
accumulating funds for a down payment."

- Federal Housing Commissioner John Weicher said in January 2004 that "the White House doesn't think those who can afford the monthly payment but have been unable to save for a down payment should be deprived from owning a home," National Mortgage News reported.

- While zero-downpayment mortgages have long been considered profoundly unsafe (especially for borrowers with dubious credit history), Weicher confidently asserted: "We do not anticipate any costs to taxpayers."

Bush 'No Money Down' - Tax Payers Will Pay

Bush 'No Money Down' - Tax Payers Will Pay (Video) (6min)
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership (USA Today)

Yes Bush is guilty in this.

(yawn)

(yawn)

The Video speaks for itself

Denial however is hard to give up.

Didn't watch it

I admit it. But I don't doubt there's some Bush involvement. But he did do some warning, right? You're not laying it all on him, because I'm pretty convinced (by you and your links, IIRC) that it began long ago. He may have ridden the train, but I don't think he built the railroad, right?

Plenty of blame to go around, and a lot of it goes way past Bush. In my understanding, I mean. Give him his due, but he's not the most culpable, is he?

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Many people are to blame not just Bush but he is still to blame

You have FDR, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Alan Greenspan and yes President Bush ... and many more. My point however is Bush does share blame. Watch the video I cannot make it any more clear then his own words.

You clearly cannot blame Bush for things he did not create but he clearly added fuel to the fire, watch the video.

As for Obama and McCain they had little to do with any of it.

Littlte to do...

but much in the way of not ending it in Obambis case.

And in McCains case people didn't listen. He warned not once but twice... and he voted against the new regs.

I missed the psychic war over the weekend. Sorry.

  I heard you got quite upset.

  The government got us in this mess by intruding in the free markets with yet another socialist experiment.

  I think the government can have a hand in getting us out. They have intruded before and the world did not end.

  Yes, the current bill is crap. It rightly failed.

   So what is the solution, I see you pointing fingers. I want to know what is the solution.

   If you suggest doing nothing. That is a very lonely position. Very few people are in your corner.

  I am going with Newt myself.

 Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

PS: I was a little hurt by the conspicous conservative comment.

More Socialism cannot fix failed Socialism

The only thing that can fix this is to remove the Socialism from the market. Repeal any law that contributed to this, reduce taxes especially on capital gains and income and then let the market take care of the rest. If you have not heard me give suggestions then you are not reading everything I have been writing.

We are in this problem for many reasons the credit situation is one that more credit (bailout) will not fix, this requires a change in how American's manage money. Otherwise you risk debasing the currency and making it eventually worthless.

Warning Newt is no economist

Newt is a historian and he is the last person you want to take economic advice from. I prefer economists...

192 Economists Sign a Letter Against Paulson's Plan

A Bailout We Don't Need (James K. Galbraith, Ph.D. Economics)
An Open Letter to Congress on the $700B Paulson Bailout Plan (Michael Shedlock, Investment Advisor)
Bailouts will lead to rough economic ride (Ron Paul, Economics Scholar)
Bankruptcy, not bailout, is the right answer (Jeffrey Miron, Ph.D. Economics, MIT)
Can the Rescue Plan Fix the US Economy? (Frank Shostak, Ph.D. Economics)
Conservatives Should Oppose Corporate Welfare (Robert Murphy, Ph.D. Economics)
Credit Is Flowing, Sky Is Not Falling, Don’t Panic (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Economics)
Don't Bail Them Out (Lew Rockwell, Economist)
How to Avoid Another Depression (Mark Thornton, Ph.D. Economics)
In Financial Food Chains, Little Guys Can’t Win (Ben Stein, B.S. Economics)
No bailout necessary (Earl Thompson, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
No Bailouts: Let the Hammer Fall (Johnnie B. Byrd, B.S. Business Administration)
Not Buying It (Steven Landsburg, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Republicans on the Left and Democrats on the Right (Ivan Eland, M.B.A. Applied Economics)
Scaring Us to Death (Walter E. Williams, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
The Idiocy of Wall Street: Applauding Its Own Demise (Don A Rich, Professor of Economics)
The Rescue Package Will Delay Recovery (Frank Shostak Ph.D. Economics)
U.S. government should bail out of bailouts (Craig R. Smith, CEO Swiss America Trading Corporation)
Wall Street Socialism (Alvaro Vargas Llosa, M.A. Economics)
Why Paulson is wrong (Luigi Zingales, Ph.D. Economics)

PopT

Where's Milton Friedman when you need him? 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Milton Friedman in living color

Agreed, here he is in living color...

Free to Choose (1/5) - The Power of the Market (Video) (47min)
Free to Choose (2/5) - The Tyranny of Control (Video) (47min)
Free to Choose (3/5) - The Failure of Socialism (Video) (47min)

(I am still looking for the last two parts online) 

Newt knows enough to talk to smart people and listen.

  I too would like to end the socialist entitlement programs but am smart enough to realize none of them will be touched right now.

   Repeal any law that contributed to this, reduce taxes especially on capital gains and income and then let the market take care of the rest. If you have not heard me give suggestions then you are not reading everything I have been writing.

  I kind of like poptech when he drops the hammer and talks to us. Yes. I like the above. We will see how close they come in the end. By the way, Newt wants to repeal the mark to market laws, so he agrees with you on that repealing the laws stuff.

  Now I feel bad about the poopdeck stuff. It was truly inspired but alas I cannot use it when you are being so nice.

 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF...and PopT too

Here's a bunch of graphs & stuff....it's localized for Florida.

Hank Fishkind was one of my professors at UF....at that time he was head of the Econometrics department.  The guy was totally brilliant.

I found this on his site (apparently he's gone private)....this was a power point for some kind of bankers gig on September 18th.  The first couple of slides blew me away.

Some pretty awesome stuff.   Page 3 & 25 jumped at me.

Nighto.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

An Analysis of who is saying what

You have non-economists like O'Reilly, Buchanan and now Newt supporting the Bailout. You have almost all the left wing talking heads on TV going hysterically for it. You have Barney Frank and Chris Dodd two of the people contributing to this supporting it. You have Paulson who has been wrong on everything so far pushing it. And on the other side you have all manner of economists who have been right before. I'll take my chances with those who have been right.

Peter Schiff - We're Broke! (Video) (4min) (Peter Schiff, B.S. Finance and Accounting, President Euro Pacific Capital)

Peter Schiff laughed at on Fox News in 2006 (Video) (4min)

Steve Forbes

  And now Steve Forbes, whom I have been watching and grokking for years saying the financial system is seizing up. He is saying the same stuff. Gov created the problem, Gov better step and fix it. Something has to be done. Someone really big needs to step in, and guess who the only really big guy that can handle it is?

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

So Did Warren Buffet...

After he buys 5 Billion worth of stock in Goldman Sachs.

Bank of America: 'Paulson Plan Benefits Mostly Goldman, Morgan' (Seeking Alpha)

Don't forget.

  So far it is going exactly the way you are saying. Do nothing. (minus the undo what you already did part)

  So you can do half of the superior dance.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Noel - check out this YouTube

Dems fighting Fanny and Freddie regulation in 2004.

Refusing regulation against the warnings of republicans.

The Bailout doesn't undo anything

Show me the bill that liquidates Fanny and Freddie and rolls back legislation like the CRA and others that caused this. Devaluing the dollar by pumping 700 Billion more into this to "free up credit" is not going to help. We need credit based on a market based level.

Ya got me all wrong.

  I said, so far, there is no bailout. They can't agree on it.

  In the meantime, all hell has not officially broken loose yet. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

I can't believe what a

I can't believe what a pathetic bunch of whiners the Republican party has become.

 

"they hurt our feeling" 

"where taking our marbles and going home!!!" 

How the Republicans can put their hurt feelings over the needs of the country is a good indication as to why this country is in the shape it is in. Its just sickening 

 

That's a bs story that the

That's a bs story that the media loves so they can blame republicans and use some goofy quotes from republicans to do it. But they flat didn't have the votes. They don't care about Pelosi. She is a joke and just made herself a bigger joke but didn't cost votes. If they didn't lose the votes when she claimed they are unpatriotic, she didn't lose them with the other nonsense. The fact is, the dems didn't bring the votes either and they certainly didn't care about Pelosi. The republican leaders wanted to fire back at Pelosi and they threw those that didn't vote for it under the bus in order to do so. Everybody already knows that Pelosi is a worthless moron.

It was a crummy bill.

In case you can't do the math....30 more democrats voted NO than republicans voted YES.

Take your marbles, bling.....and, you know. 

How's that democrat principle thing working for you tonite, hmmmm?

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Why didnt the dems vote it in

95 voted nay.Were they mad because Acorn was getting money?Like Acorn was suppose to intially when the Dems were working on it.The dems had the votes but couldnt pull it together.It is on them.Do the math.

State your source, troll

 Who said their feeling (sic) was hurt?

 Who said they are taking the marbles and going home?

 Where refers to position or circumstances. We are, concatenated we're, means WE ARE. Finish grade school and then report back to us Adults, ok, troll?

 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Now, now, JWF

Easy there. You'll hurt bling's feelings. He took his marbles home for a long, long time. And we missed him. One of our favorite barrel-fish.

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall

Whiners? CSPAN documents Democrats are at fault

There are now numerous CSPAN clips circulating on the Internet to prove beyond a doubt that Democrats fought, time and time again, against additional regulation, even "bullying" those experts who testified before Congress that more regulation was needed or it was all going to come tumbling down.

I tell you who is whining now, its Democrats and MSM who have their portfolios in the "toilet" and these scum want us to bail them out, which is the real story here.

"How the Republicans can

"How the Republicans can put their hurt feelings over the needs of the
country is a good indication as to why this country is in the shape it
is in. Its just sickening "

Hurt feelings? Are you going to be a moron all your life, or is it just a part-time gig? What is sickening is San Fran Nan, even in the face of an alleged global, financial meltdown, can't keep her dumbass, partisan trap shut.

Besides, it wasn't Republicans who killed this by voting against a bill that violates everything they believe in, it was the 94 Democrats who voted against it despite it being exactly what they believe in. The Dems could have passed this without one single Republican vote. They didn't. I'm guessing it's because they are up for re-election. And nothing is more important than that.

Isnt that the truth! It's

Isnt that the truth! It's all about re-election...they read the polls that said Americans were disgusted with the bailout and they voted for re-election, rather than what was in the publics best interest. Seems to be a habit...they all decry the 'illegal war' that they VOTED FOR. If this had passed and blown up in their faces they would all be crying that they were duped by the Evil Bush Family.

They could have passed this if they wanted to. They just didnt have the nutsack. They never have. Once again the GOP has pushed them down into the mud puddle and taken their lunch money.

Ask your Democrat Buddies

The democrats could have passed the bill without the help of ANY republicans.  Where were they?

Who's whining now?

I'm glad you finally weighed in here, NS

I have been supremely puzzled by the coverage today, watching Fox.

It seems as though all of the financial talking heads are in a tizzy that this didn't pass....doing a chicken little and basically having a hissy fit.

Have their own wallets finally taken precedent over their political leanings? 

That's one huge possibility.  It was a crappy bill.  A losing loser.  And as my mum says, "tomorrow's another day, Scarlette".  They need to come up with something better before they spend our bucks.  (1) Eliminate the Capital Gains Tax (2) Blow Sarbanes Oxley (3) Mark to Market...outa here!  That's just for starters.  Insuring the risk is better than buying the "rotten assets". 

$700B is ALOT of money.  And I'd like to know what we're going to "buy" with it, before we sign the contract.  So I think John Boehner & the rest of the House (R)'s did us a huge favor today.  However painful in the short run.   Beautifully played.  And Nanny is a moron.

It's getting kind of smelly in Denmark, I think. 

I suspect the market will bounce back quite a bit tomorrow.  There was an awful lot of programmed trading going on today.

But I was (and am) baffled by the commentary I was hearing today.  It's not the end of the world, not by a long shot. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

BlingBling65

Don't be a pathetic victim.

"Modern man is staggering and losing his balance because he is being pelted with little pieces of alleged fact which are native to the newspapers; and, if they turn out not to be facts, that is still more native to newspapers." -GKC

Snowing in Hell

A bunch of Republicans actually agreed with Mrs. Pelosi!  It's a bad plan and we won't accept it.  It's monumental!  Is it snowing in Hell?

Noel, for what is probably the first time since I joined NB...

...I hope you are wrong here.

...quickly published articles quoting Republicans who blamed the bill's failure on Pelosi's hyper-partisan speech.

I would like to think that the republicans, along with the 95 dems who  voted against this thing (I am omitting the 65 RINOs who voted for it) did so because it was bad for the country as a whole, and not just because of Nanny Peloser's comments.

IMHO, had it passed, it would mean the for-real beginning of the end of what is left of the private sector in this country.

Once the government takes over this large a segment of the private sector, they will never, ever relinquish it.

I think too many people in this country bought in to the Chicken Little screeching of the panic-mongers.

Thirty-one years of mismanagement and corruption of the FM's cannot be fixed in thirty-six hours, particularly when the majority of the those tasked with said "fix" are primarily resposible for its failure in the first place.

-Dave

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts

My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm

Dave,

I agree. I hope the ones who stood against this bill did it because it was the right thing to do, whether rep. or dem.

It seems to me that even IF I were to be in favor of a bailout, the price tag should be much, much cheaper. The idea that the $700 million figure was pulled out of Paulson's ass is a bit...unsettling, to say the least. I would think one place to start would be to find out what amount can definitely be expected to be paid back, then work down from there.

I think it may have been Newt, who suggested loaning money to sound institutions, like Chase, Citigroup, and others, let them buy the bad papers, and pay the govt. back with interest. While I don't like the govt. involvement at all, at least he is trying to get away from letting the govt. become speculators.

I think the sinking institutions should have their assets auctioned off the highest bidder, let whoever decides to take on these bad loans regegotiate with the debtors to find ways they may be able to pay the loans back, and if they can't the new "owners" get the properties, and can either sell them off for what they can get, or hold them as assets until the market recovers.

Anyway, that is how I see some of this. The fed. has just been suckered into the bidding process for this bad paper, and I am glad this bill was killed. To get back to my orginal point, Dave, I hope like you that the bill was blocked on principle, not anger, as this will come up again, and only those who voted on priciples will vote it down again.

Just my opinion.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Quite so, R1

Auction it off to the high bidder.

There's a lovely house in foreclosure a few streets over.  The paper on it is at $750K.  So at 18% (figure quoted on the estimated return the guv would get on this bailout deal), I figure I could pick it up for about $130 grand.

Good deal for me, good deal for them.  Well, except for the banks, who are NOT going to get a discounted (to what?) maybe $650K for their "toxic" loan.

Ooops....no politicians getting their fingers greased....silly me. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Evening B.

One of the guys from work is getting transferred to Houston. He mentioned that this is the worst time to sell a house. I mentioned that on the flip side, it also the best time to buy one. First time home buyers especially ought to be able to find some real steals. Just hope they are watching and have their ducks in a row before they sign on to anything.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Exactly, R1

What really bothers me is that people don't understand for every seller (in a down market too) there's a buyer.

Just like those "greedy speculators" in the oil futures market.

It takes two to make a transaction.  But heavens, the media talking heads just go on and on about the "little guy".  Us little guys can do just fine on our own, thank you very much.

Tell your friend the Houston RE market is generally very good.  Great values, particularly if your moving from the northeast.  Great buys, relatively speaking.  A guy from Houston wanted to move here, and was shocked that a comp house to his in Houston would cost in excess of $600K.   Did you know that Houston is now the 4th largest city in the U.S.?  Blew my mind.  Think about that...NY, Chicago, LA.

 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

yeah, Houston has been up there for a while now,

And not only that, but San Antonio is the seventh largest and Dallas is eigth or ninth. In terms of metropolitan areas, I think Dallas is fourth and Houston is fifth, and there is talk of consolidating Austin and San Antonio, which together would rank about thirteenth or so.

Point is, Texas as whole is weathering the economic storm far better than most other states. Cali has about an eleven month inventory on empty homes, while Texas has about a seven month inventory, and while cali. has lost about 500,000 people, we have gained about 250,000.

The economy will survive without the bailout, and with common sense tax reductions. Eliminate the capatal gains tax, reduce the top marginal rate, and let the economy soar. That will bring the govt. all of the money it should ever need. Spending should not dictate revenue, revenue should dictate spending.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

You're going to shoot me, but I forgot you were a Texan, R1

I know that is like some sort of grave insult, abject apologies.

I'd bet Texas has no state income tax.  Just like Florida.

We're experiencing a net loss of residents here (finally!!!!)....but I think it's because alot of the illegals have left.  And the idiot snowbirds have finally been priced out of the market.

If we could just get rid of the liberal New Yawkas and other New England lefties, life would be grand.  A bunch of redneck surfers & scuba divers, hanging on the beach & drinking beer. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Nope, no income tax,

but we do have our share of rednecks at the beach drinking beer, but the waves kinda suck. :(

Don't worry about forgetting. It's like I've always been told: "If you are out of state, don't tell anyone you're a Texan. If they are one too, they'll know, and if they're not, you'll just embarrass them. :)

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

J,

...people don't understand for every seller (in a down market too) there's a buyer.

LOL-Well, when you find a few of those "buyers," will you do me a huge favor and send them my way?

-Dave

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts

My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm

Ditto

Nice 3 bedroom in Aurora Colorado (east of Denver, upwind (southeast) from People's Republic of Boulder - can't even see or smell it!)

R1, this was as attempted power-grab by the Imperial...

....Federal Government, which, sadly, GWB, along with 65 RINOs in the House, have become firmly ensconced members of.

The only way to fix this is for the current confiscatory corporate tax rate in this country to be reduced to 10%, or less.

There is, depending on whose numbers you believe, between $13 and 14 TRILLION hanging around off-shore.

Most of that money has already been taxed at 35%. Unless the rate it will be taxed again upon its return to this country is reduced to at least 10% (or better yet, eliminated altogether) it isn'tcoming back. Ever.

I think some of that money (at least $700 bil, but probably far more) would be attracted to the real estate out there that is currently at risk.

The best thing about this is, no taxpayer money would be involved.

Besides, if done correctly, we could get the federal government out of the mortgage business forever.  

-Dave

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts

My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm

Holy Cow RD...

I just caught the 11:00 pm replay of Bill O'Reilly with his interview with John Kerry and let me tell you... Bill had the chance to hang the Frenchman by his nuts but let Kerry get away with telling a pile of horse poop! Did you see it by any chance?

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Kinda glad I missed it,

BOR can be infuriating when doing the "big" interviews. He is too worried about getting them to ever hit the interviewees with the big guns, but he'll run roughshod over the lackeys he books.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Ct, I am now a 44yo with high blood pressure.

I had to stop watching BOR over a year ago.

But, yeah, I can see Bill giving the nut-less Poodle a fresh pair, IYKWIM, as I believe the "No Spin Zone" is decidedly small, and, apparently only applies to actual conservatives.

-Dave

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts

My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm

I can see your point. No

I can see your point. No sense in having a heart attack over stupidity.

44 huh? According to my Granddaughter... man you are old! ;-)

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I saw it CT

Your right, he could had staightened him up good. The real problem I have with all of these pundits that are screaming for the bailout, is not one of them has thought of how to prevent this very thing from happining again in 5 yrs or so. Pitiful

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Bill O'reilly knows absolutely nothing about Economics

Every time he will take the populist position. I simply cannot watch his nonsense regarding anything relating to economics, I want to smash my TV.

He goes on and on about absolute nonsense about oil prices, oil companies, "price gouging", pollution and global warming (they have nothing to do with each other) and now the bailout.

My Guess

My guess is that it was a little of both, a little anger and a little principle.  Let's say you're a Republican and you're going down to vote for a bill you don't want to vote for.  Then, when  you get to the floor, you have to listen to this partisan crap from Pelosi.  It's at this point that you realize that, if this lousy bill doesn't solve the problem, you've sacrificed your principles trying to be bi-partisan and do what's best for the country, by working with a political party that is ready to blame you for the failure, should it happen, and take all the credit if it succeeds.  If you're a historian, it sort of reminds you of the Voting Rights Act of 1964.

Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi better get smart, and get smart fast. If there was ever a time for leadership it's now.  I see some people claiming that the Dems might pass a loaded bill without Republican support.  They may try but I don't see that happening.  If they wouldn't vote for a bill that was hammered out over 2 days, why would they pull this before the election.

I'm sure, if the Democrats had their druthers, they'd vote "present" on this, like they did the energy bill.  The problem is I don't believe the markets will allow them to do that.  The best way to avoid a vote, and give the Republicans what they want is to pass their market solutions bills, do some insurance, remove the capital gains tax, etc. Of course if that works, the Democrats won't look so good but, hey, you didn't have to take a vote.  

Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.

»→ Ill-advised?

Who's to say Nanna Paloozer didn't achieve the result she sought?

I think I'd follow the money with her old man's investments for one.  Some investors made out just fine today rightly discerning which way this one was going to go.  Look for more transparent market manipulations like today.

If Naqnna really wanted this one voted up, she could've had it.  If she really believed it was best for her Country, and submarined it anyway, self-aggrandizing is the kindest descriptive I can find.

I think her remarks, as well as the attempt to sneak ACORN into the mix last week were clear attempts to scuttle the plan.  House Dems don't suffer, what does she care about Frank and Dodd? 

"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama

Budget crisis

You can bet that when a budget crisis statement begins with the democrat party fantasy that Clinton left Bush a surplus, it's all going to go downhill from there.

Perfect example of an "insane" person

This lady cannot tell the difference between a punch bowl and a toilet bowl !

I mean, on the one hand she calls for bi-partisan cooperation, and then viciously attacks Republicans and the President for the current crisis. Gee, a vicious, partisan attack from the podium of the House is going to get all the Republicans onboard. Wow, how to I call my Republican Representative right now and get him/her to change their vote?

And did Pelosi understand that 40% of Democrats in the House also rejected the Bill? Gee, that does not sound like you can blame it all on the Republicans. I mean this is not 4% of the Democrats, but 40% !!!!!!!!!!!!!! She could not even sway at least another 20-30% of the Democrats. She's not a leader, she's a loser.

And did Pelosi understand that both houses of Congress for the last two years had the oversight for banking, Wall Street, and Fannie and Freddie and the rest of gang by? What happen to Democrat oversight, since they have been in charge for 2 years now?

And did Pelosi understand that McCain was co-sponsor of a Republican Senate bill, S190, in 2005 & 2006, to improve regulation of the trouble sectors of banking, mortgages, Wall Street, Fannie and Freddie and the rest of the gang, and that her "gang" of Democrats refused to even let the bill get a floor vote?

And did Pelosi understand that in 1999, as the record clearly shows, Clinton signed the Democrat sponsored bill to de-regulate the above sectors? Does she understand that the Republicans that voted with the Democrats were cajoled into this by threats of "We will make the public think you do not want to help the poor and you are against home ownership, right, etc, etc, etc?

And does Pelosi understand that Obama is lying entirely about this all and blaming McCain? 

WARNING VOTERS: Vote in more Democrats, or Obama for president and expect more of the same LUNACY.

NOTE: Sarah Palin makes Pelosi look like a grade school student.

 

 

Not the half of her idiocy, wdh

No research required. Just listen to what she says. Only using the part of her harangue that Noel transcribed:

"They claim to be free market advocates when it's really an anything goes mentality. No regulation, no supervision, no discipline."

So, Nancy thinks that lots of "regulation" and "supervision" is being a "free-market advocate?" Yeah, she knows economics. She just needs a dictionary.

"Democrats believe in a free market." Uh-huh. BUT"... in its unbridled form... it has created not jobs, not capital. It has created chaos."

Once again, she's a BIG supporter of free-markets. As long as they're properly "bridled," of course.

Nancy, here's a quarter. Buy a clue.

 

"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall