For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Will Ludacris's new "song" hurt Obama?
While hip-hop fans are expected to be a factor in the November election, the song is not. "Hip-hoppers and black folks understand the game," said Jeff Johnson, an activist and host of an upcoming news and public affairs show on Black Entertainment Television. "They're thinking, 'An Obama who knows how to play the game is still better for me than a McCain.'"
Thoughts?
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Obviously NOT in the Barak Obama community!
August 1, 2008 - 10:16 ET by CTNO OBAMUNISTS PLEASE!
No, but...
August 1, 2008 - 10:17 ET by Dr_Libertyit will hurt my ears.
It is not rythmic, it is not melodic, it is not music.
EIB
August 1, 2008 - 10:20 ET by JDWA radio force for 20yrs.
JDW
First, don't dignify
August 1, 2008 - 10:28 ET by Captain RepusFirst, don't dignify Ludicris's output as a 'song'. None of these so-called artists who have the ability to mouth words to the beat of bongo drums are singing, they are merely timing vile and hateful words to a rythm which brings out ancestoral instincts to jerk their body in synchronization.
Second, I don't see much difference between his lyrics and those aired on MSDNC and CNN on a daily basis.
So I take it you don't
August 1, 2008 - 10:40 ET by mandrakeSo I take it you don't think Bob Dylan is a 'songwriter' He actually invented rap..go back and listen to Subterrianean Homesick Blues.
The first official rap song.
Interestingly, Dylan
August 1, 2008 - 10:48 ET by Hero SquadInterestingly, Dylan sampled "Subterranean Homesick Blues" to get that groovy backbeat. Way ahead of his time.
Rap artists today might sample their own work, but few have their own work to sample.
I'm reminded of Coolio getting angry at "Weird Al" for parodying "Gangsta's Paradise" to create "Amish Paradise." Dude, your song was a parody of Stevie Wonder's "Pasttime Paradise."
Krusty the Clown: If this isn't Steve Allen, you're stealing my bit!
Sorry... I digress.
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Thomas More
August 1, 2008 - 11:05 ET by Dr_LibertyI thought Weird Al's "Amish Paradise" was a parody of Utopia or Walden's Pond.
Go figure. You learn something new everyday.
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I don't think about Bob
August 1, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Captain RepusI don't think about Bob Dylan at all, actually. Is he related to the big guy who used to be Marshall of Dodge City?
False Generalization
August 1, 2008 - 11:52 ET by Ten7sI don't know whether the bob song you mention is Rap or not. Frankly that theory sounds like a reach, but its really neither here nor there. So for the sake of argument, let's assume that it is "the first rap song". Your argument is still not logical, as just b/c a songwriter creates something doesn't make it music or song or a legitimate musical genre. Likewise, just b/c a person writes something that is so bad that it doesn't qualify as music or song doesn't mean that they are necessarily not a songwriter or musician. You're illogically generalizing, music, song, songwriter, etc.
Rap
August 1, 2008 - 10:46 ET by GothampcI agree that rap is not a song. Beat alone doesn't define music. Maybe rap falls under poetry, but I've never considered it music.
I thought...
August 1, 2008 - 10:32 ET by ontheright...part of the Obomination's mantra was "...bringing fresh change to Washington..."
How can the Obamessiah make change (sorry for the pun) when he "...knows how to play the game..." and apparently will be expected to do so in order to be "better for me than a McCain"?
I'm very curious about this. Can someone please help me out here? Or, is this yet another B.Hussein O. supporter's race-baiting(egads) bandwagon?
Insert Standard Obama Quote
August 1, 2008 - 10:42 ET by GothampcIt has to be said:
"This was not the Ludacris I once knew."
Why is John McCain running ads with Paris Hilton when Obama is giving him so many real skeletons in the closet to work with?
Keith O
August 1, 2008 - 10:49 ET by PeterDI write this to my fellow New Yorkers. Tomorrow is Old Timer's Day at Yankee Stadium. Its a fun day and I have been going to it for many years.
However, they set up an on field area for a special announcer to do play by play in the stadium. For the past umpteen years its been Keith Olbermann dating back to his days at ESPN. Last year when he was introduced he received many boos, probably about 1/3 to 1/2 of the crowd.
I ask if you go to the game tomorrow, you boo as loud as you possibly can. Spread the word. Perhaps we can get the whole stadium to boo him loudly. Maybe the Yankees will get the message and drop him.
How often do you get a chance to actually see KO in person? Hardly, so I ask everyone who can, to take full advantage of the opportunity.
Thank you.
And now, today's
August 1, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's fully-inflated Shrub Report®:
On this date, in 1981, at 12:01am, The Buggles helped make television history….
To quote the immortal words of John Winger: "I want to party with you, cowboy!"
This week's Boyfriend of the Year candidate.
Worst. Speaker. Ever.
There's only ten?
Today, The Most Holy Messiah will make the sun disappear!!!! All hail Obama!
Wow. Just think, this douchebag was almost president.
A tragic story of criminal neglect and a cover-up. Despicable.
The world's oldest jokes revealed.
I didn't know this guy was still alive. Did you know he has been in 199 movies? Amazing!
You gotta love Krauthammer!
Happy 49th, Joe Elliott (no, he's not the guy with one arm). The Union Jack has never been the same…
While populist dumbasses like O'Reilly kvetch and moan about the eveeel profits of oil companies, perhaps people should read stuff like this before they sound like a bunch of whiny socialists. It even offers a dazzling reply from an NB troll!
The Fifty most beautiful people on Capitol Hill. Shockingly, Helen Thomas was omitted.
The UN reacts in their usual fashion upon hearing about "honor killings"…
And, finally, since the MLB trade deadline was yesterday (the Buccos finally made good moves!), here are the worst trades in the past 15 years.
How POTUS Try to act Normal
August 1, 2008 - 11:01 ET by GothampcThere's an interesting few paragraphs in the Wall Street Journal today that illustrates how several presidential candidates have twisted themselves in knots trying to act like normal people.
Skip all the mindless crap that this article is supposed to be about and start with the paragraph "Food faux pas have plagued presidential candidates in the past."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121755336096303089.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox
They're turning on him
August 1, 2008 - 11:21 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarhttp://www.breitbart...
May be a few "stay-at-homes" come November.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
It's On Both Sides
August 1, 2008 - 11:32 ET by GothampcYes, but look on the other side. If McCain doesn't choose wisely concerning his VP, several million Evangelicals might sit this election out.
Help Wanted
August 1, 2008 - 11:41 ET by mattmCan anyone tell me how one would go about challenging the tax-exempt status of a 501c3 organization which is in violation of the "no political campaigning" requirement of that status?
mattm
August 1, 2008 - 12:22 ET by acumenThis might be a good place to start Matt.
mattm
August 1, 2008 - 12:33 ET by BlondeFollow the money.
Start with your state's division of corporations. Any reputable non-profit will have to file (particularly if they receive public funds, and they all do) an annual auditeed financial statement. These are public.
I believe challenging their activities on a state level would be much easier than starting with the IRS. The 501(c)(3) is an IRS designation, but once State officials begin investigating, the die is cast.
Even better, start at the local level. If you can get a city or county funding source (or even the United Way) to pull the plug financially, buh-bye organization.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Boy Scouts
August 1, 2008 - 16:40 ET by Dr_LibertyOne of the only organizations that the United Way would defund is the Boy Scouts of America.
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Remember Edwards?
August 1, 2008 - 12:10 ET by JDWNo father named on birth certificate of Edward's mistress's child
Drilling?
JDW
DAILY WAVE
Obama's Stimulus Package
August 1, 2008 - 12:27 ET by GothampcNot to be outdone by the Bush Administration, Obama has his own "money in citizen's pockets" plan. Reach into the profits of big oil companies.
How about we just lower taxes and let people keep more of their take home pay? How about a plan that fights inflation?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12237.html
Apparently Lou Dobbs
August 1, 2008 - 12:57 ET by j. frank wilsoncan't tell the difference between a Republican and a Democrat. From his July 31st show:
"Well, over the past 50 years, members of Congress have been convicted of at least 16 different felonies, including fraud, conspiracy, racketeering, extortion, drug possession. One member was even convicted of manslaughter. Former Congressman Bill Janklow, a Democrat from South Dakota, was convicted of striking and killing a motorcyclist with his car in 2003. He was sentenced to 100 days in prison."
Mr. Janklow, of course, was a Republican congressman.
This probably means Mr. Dobbs will not be invited to the Republican National Convention to throw out the first illegal immigrant.
Rep Wexler (D)
August 1, 2008 - 15:06 ET by JDWSun-Sentinel, July 25: Wexler is Florida's only member of Congress who does not own a home in his congressional district.
'This probably means';
JDW
Possibly there could be a
August 1, 2008 - 17:12 ET by BuffNBonePossibly there could be a new term for Representatives like Wexler such as Mis-Representative. The term could also apply to those congresscriters that are more than 50% out of step with their constituents. Exception would be when they clearly vote and declare it to be on a principle rather than toeing the party line.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Peru suffers unseasonable COLD
August 2, 2008 - 05:51 ET by Jack BauerThough I'm sure it's all the fault of manmade global warming (sic).
http://eureferendum....
What an endorsement!
August 2, 2008 - 23:48 ET by cocodrieHis only talent is to scream rhyming obscenities to an incessant drum beat, and he is too stupid to buy the correct size pants.