Want to know just how in the tank MSNBC's Dan Abrams is for Barack Obama?
On Thursday's "Verdict," the network's former general manager actually tried to deflect criticism from Michelle Obama by bringing up statements John McCain made concerning his experience as a Vietnam POW making him realize how much he loves America.
This is how Abrams began the program: "Tonight: We have uncovered comments from John McCain on camera that could undermine the steady right-wing attacks against Michelle Obama."
Is that Abrams' role as a journalist: to undermine attacks against the wife of a presidential candidate?
Readers are warned that the following transcript is likely to offend them in a fashion that might not be desired on a Saturday (video embedded upper right, use scrollbars to center, h/t Hot Air via NBer Thomas Stewart):
DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Hi, everyone.
Tonight: We have uncovered comments from John McCain on camera that could undermine the steady right-wing attacks against Michelle Obama. For weeks, Mrs. Obama has been blasted by the right for her comments in February that, quote, “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.”
This morning, Cindy McCain said she‘s always been proud of her country. Well, are Mrs. Obama‘s words really that different from this comment we found from John McCain on FOX earlier this year?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, ® PRESUMPTIVE PRES. NOMINEE: I really didn‘t love America until I was deprived of her company.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ABRAMS: "I really didn‘t love America until I was deprived of her company." And our research shows McCain has repeatedly made similar comments through the years. In fact, it appears it was a running theme in his campaign in 1999.
First, here is the full context of the comment McCain made in March on FOX News. Sean Hannity asked him about his time as a POW, asking quote, "What does that do to a person to spend that much time in solitary confinement?" John McCain said, "I think it makes you a better person. Obviously, it makes you love America. I really didn‘t love America until I was deprived of her company. But probably the most important thing about it, Sean, is that I was privileged to have the opportunity to serve in the company of heroes."
In 1999, Mr. McCain launched his campaign for president saying this -
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCCAIN: I was born into America‘s service. It wasn‘t until I was deprived of her company that I fell in love with America.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ABRAMS: And then again in December of 1999, McCain said, quote, "I was not in love with America until I was deprived of her company."
Look, I think McCain‘s comment is eloquent, it‘s even inspiring. No one should pass judgment on his time as a heroic POW. But is that statement that McCain has repeated so often about only coming to love America really that different from Michelle Obama‘s comment that the right and now even Cindy McCain are using, to question her patriotism?
Mrs. Obama has repeatedly tried to clarify it, that hasn‘t made a dent in the right-wing assaults. Her comment was in the context of her pride in the political process, her desire for change. So, won‘t these McCain comments that we‘ve uncovered, blunt the attacks on Michelle Obama?
Can you believe this nonsense? Is McCain's comment really that different than Michelle's?
A young man is held prisoner for five years, withstands unthinkable tortures, and comes away with a love for his country that he hadn't felt before. And that's akin to a $400k a year lawyer saying that she's never been proud of her country until her husband's success on the presidential campaign trail?
Furthermore, did Abrams really ask on national television, "So, won‘t these McCain comments that we‘ve uncovered, blunt the attacks on Michelle Obama?" Is that what qualifies as journalism now over at MSNBC?
Alas, there was more. Pay particular attention to the demeaning way Abrams talks to his conservative guests, and how Newsweek's Jonathan Alter considers criticism directed at Mrs. Obama as clearly racist:
ABRAMS: Joining us now: The editor of "The Nation," Katrina Vanden Heuvel;
"Newsweek‘s" Jonathan Alter; Republican strategist, Brad Blakeman; and, right-wing talk show host Lars Larson.
All right. Thanks to all of you for coming on. Appreciate it.
All right. Brad, this seems to me to be a pretty big development among those people who‘ve been trying to smear Michelle Obama.
BRAD BLAKEMAN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: It‘s not a development at all. John McCain was a POW for five years. I‘ve traveled abroad to many third world countries and never appreciated America more than when I came back to America. It‘s the little things that you miss and I‘m sure John McCain felt the same way when he was a prisoner of war.
ABRAMS: But, Lars, what Brad is doing is providing context to John McCain‘s comment. And as I said, I had no problem with John McCain‘s comment but people like you, Lars, had been on the air smearing Michelle Obama on this sort of notion that she doesn‘t love America, et cetera. John McCain said, "I didn‘t really love America until I was deprived of her company."
You can take that comment out of context the same way you‘ve been taking Michelle Obama‘s comment out of context for weeks now. You tell me how that‘s any different.
LARS LARSON, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I‘ll tell you how it‘s different. I think there is a different context. Michelle Obama is an amazingly, fortunate individual. She‘s well-educated, she‘s well-compensated. She‘s married to a presidential candidate. That‘s about as high as you get in America and, yet, here‘s a woman who stands up and gives speeches on behalf of her husband and goes beyond talking about being proud.
She says America is a place, as a country, that‘s just downright mean, that average people can‘t make it, that the country does horrible things. She and her husband are friends with what-a terrorist, Mr. Ayers, a criminal, Mr. Rezko. I mean, you know, put it in that context.
ABRAMS: But this is when you start in the nonsense, all right? This is when you start with the nonsense.
LARSON: Why is it nonsense? Dan, why is that nonsense?
ABRAMS: Because, look, the notion-Jonathan, it‘s like champing at the bit here. I let you respond to it if you want.
JONATHAN ALTER, NEWSWEEK: Yes, you‘re say he‘s just talking trash and nonsense and it‘s a slur. And you know, it‘s really, it‘s actually, frankly, it‘s kind of appalling that you and -
LARSON: Jonathan, why is it trash and nonsense to quote somebody?
ALTER: Because it‘s not true, you don‘t know Michelle Obama, you haven‘t spoken to her as I have. To many of her friends, black, white, many different people -
(CROSSTALK)
ALTER: Let me just quickly try to dispenser this. You‘re taking it out of context intentionally to try to twist her words for your own political purposes.
LARSON: I‘m not. I‘m not taking her out of context.
ALTER: It‘s below, and it‘s borderline racist. I‘m not saying you‘re a racist but the comments are borderline racist.
Astonishing. So, anyone that criticizes Mrs. Obama for this statement is racist? Talk about nonsense.
But there was more. Pay particular attention to the Nation's Katrina Vanden Heuvel actually referring to Lars Larson as a "right-wing nut":
ABRAMS: All right. But here‘s what I want to ask, Katrina, right? I want to-coming back to this comment from John McCain because here‘s-
Lars Larson and I wanted to go to him early just to make sure you understood what the right and the far right have been doing with regard to Michelle Obama. They take these comments, they take them out of context. OK, look, they want to do that, more power to them, it‘s a free country.
My problem is, that when you hear what John McCain said, that‘s why I was so stunned by these words from John McCain, saying, "I didn‘t really love America until I was deprived of her company." You can take that just as out of context as you can Michelle Obama‘s comment.
Hang on one second and I‘ll let you respond. Lars, hang on one second.
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL, THE NATION: Absolutely. And I think that those comments of John McCain should blunt the right-wing attempt to demonize and smear an honorable woman who has a great family, who is inspiring, and there is a reason that Barack Obama campaign has set up a smear unit to defuse what we‘ve just heard.
It is a scandal that we have politics like this when there are great issues roiling this country. Someone out there that one of the right-wing nuts just said, "Average people can‘t make it," and said that that was a slur on our country.
Breaking the news to you-there are thousands of people today who lost their jobs, there are thousands who can‘t drive to a job because they can‘t pay gas prices, or who lost their health care insurance. We can do better in this country, we can.
Yes, there are thousands of people that have recently lost jobs. However, with an unemployment rate of 5.5 percent, that means the overwhelming majority of average people are employed and are making it.
Of course, facts and statistics are unimportant to folks on the left:
ABRAMS: But, Lars, I challenge you, if Michelle Obama had used the words -
LARSON: Dan, I‘ll tell you what -
ABRAMS: Wait, if Michelle Obama had used the words, "I really didn‘t love America until I was deprived of her company," and let‘s say it was in the context of something totally different. You would be out there taking it out of context and saying, "Michelle Obama doesn‘t love her country," you‘d be on the radio every day. "Michelle Obama doesn‘t love her country, et cetera." And John McCain used those words.
That's absurd. If Michelle Obama had served in Desert Storm for example, and was a hostage of Saddam's forces before being rescued, a claim by her that she really didn't love her country until she was a prisoner would be viewed exactly as McCain's comments: that the horror and terror of captivity made her realize just how much she loved her nation.
As such, for Michelle and McCain's comments to be at all similar, Mrs. Obama's adult life would have to be the equivalent of being a POW for five years, which is certainly not the case.
On a lighter not, Larson deliciously replied to Abrams' non sequiturs with the best line of the night whilst pointing out just how absurd the analogy being made was:
LARSON: You know what, Dan, unfortunately, you couldn‘t qualify as one of my producers. Let me tell you a couple of things-first of all, America is the land of opportunity. Millions of people around this planet recognize this and apparently, your lefty guests don‘t recognize -
ABRAMS: Yes, thank you. Thank goodness we have Lars Larson here to inform us about that, OK.
(CROSSTALK)
LARSON: Listen, there are people-listen.
ABRAMS: Let him finish. Go ahead, Lars.
LARSON: Dan, do I get to respond or not?
ABRAMS: Yes, you do. Go ahead.
LARSON: Do I get to respond or not? Listen, this country is a land of opportunities. When Michelle Obama says average people can‘t make it, yes, people lose their jobs. But for the most part, America is a land of wonderful opportunities which, apparently, Michelle Obama, even with all her education, doesn‘t see. And the smear that you put on people like me is, the minute I mention, the minute I quote her words -
ABRAMS: But see, but you‘re not answering my question, Lars. Lars, you‘re not answering and I‘m going to ask it to Brad.
I‘ll ask you the same question, Brad. If Michelle Obama had used the words we‘ve uncovered from John McCain, "I really didn‘t love America until I was deprived of her company."
LARSON: But she didn‘t.
ABRAMS: But you‘re missing the point, Lars. Lars, John McCain said it. John McCain said it. That‘s the point. I want to get Brad in here for a second.
BLAKEMAN: But, Dan, not only didn‘t she say it, not only didn‘t she say it, but she certainly would have never said it in the context that John McCain said it.
ABRAMS: The context matters now.
BLAKEMAN: It‘s two totally different things, two totally different things.
ALTER: Yes, right.
(CROSSTALK)
VANDEN HEUVEL: I disagree with almost every policy of John McCain‘s, but anyone who runs for president and you can disagree with where they want to take this country, loves this country. Why would they run to lead a country they hate?
The right-wing wants to make Barack Obama and his wife that to be like the Manchurian candidate. They love this country, they have benefited from the opportunities of this country, they want to lead it in a new direction after the damage done-seven years of plundering and looting this country. Now, we‘re going to give it all to the oil companies in Iraq?
ABRAMS: Here‘s Cindy McCain this morning, OK, and part of the reason we‘re really talking about this tonight and why this is so important. This is how we uncovered this in the context of our research, was listening to Cindy McCain answer a question on "Good Morning America" about Michelle Obama.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CINDY MCCAIN, SEN. MCCAIN‘S WIFE: Everyone has their own experience. I don‘t know why she said what she said. All I know is that I‘ve always been proud of my country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ABRAMS: I mean, the problem here, Jonathan, again, is these taking out of context. This has become a gotcha election. Look, everyone has to accept that. You may hate it and rightfully so. But the bottom line is, guys like Lars Larson are out there, everyday, taking Michelle‘s comment and either fairly -
LARSON: Hold on a second. Dan -
ABRAMS: I‘m not saying you inaccurately stated it. I‘d just said you‘re - let me finish the sentence.
LARSON: No, but hold on a second. I quoted her accurately -
ABRAMS: Lars, you‘re going to wait. Lars, you‘re going to wait. And I said people like Lars Larson take comments from Michelle Obama, and they then go on the air, and they, you know, they‘ll make an entire segment, two segments with a sentence that Michelle Obama said. He‘ll say she said it more than once, et cetera. And he‘ll even say that it‘s a theme. But again, looking at these comments from John McCain -
LARSON: It is.
ABRAMS: Listening from these comments from John McCain, the 1999 campaign, he said it, he said it again on FOX News this year, and I don‘t begrudge him for it, but what I do is I use it to say-this is insanity what‘s going on here.
ALTER: Well, look -
LARSON: Dan, can I add something -
ABRAMS: Let me let Jonathan. Go ahead.
ALTER: Look, I have great respect for the McCains, affection. In fact, I‘m attacked sometimes from the left because I like both John and Cindy McCain very, very much. But I think that Laura Bush had the right approach on this. She wrote, she wrote Michelle Obama a note after these comments were taken out of context and she recognized that -
ABRAMS: Let me play that sound. I think I have the sound of Laura Bush talking about it. Let me play that sound.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "GOOD MORNING AMERICA"/ABC/JUNE 9)
LAURA BUSH, AMERICA‘S FIRST LADY: I think she probably meant "I‘m more proud," you know, is what she really meant. You have to be really careful in what you say. Everything you say is looked at and in many cases, misconstrued.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ABRAMS: I mean, you‘ve got to give Laura Bush credit.
ALTER: Absolutely. She‘s a classy lady, Laura Bush. And the idea, you know, that these folks, you know, want to just pull our politics lower and lower and lower -
VANDEN HEUVEL: Yes, into the mud.
ALTER: It‘s not even mud, it‘s stupidity is what it really is.
LARSON: Hey, Dan, Dan, the ad hominem attacks deserve a response.
ALTER: Come on, look. Let me ask you this, Lars-have you ever actually met Michelle Obama? Have you ever spoken to her? Have you ever spoken to anybody who knows her?
LARSON: No. I‘ve taken her in her quoted words.
ALTER: Do you think that‘s the totality of Michelle Obama? Do you believe that‘s the way to assess what she believes about the world?
LARSON: No, I don‘t. Hey, listen -
ALTER: Do you think that‘s the way to assess what kind of human she is and what she thinks about America to snip a couple of quotes (INAUDIBLE) out of context?
LARSON: Dan, I‘m not going to get a chance to respond, am I?
ALTER: Let me finish my point, Lars, you don‘t know Michelle Obama, you have no right to judge her in this passion.
LARSON: I don‘t claim to.
ALTER: And it‘s contemptible that you do.
ABRAMS: Go ahead, Lars.
LARSON: I think this is wrong. Trent Lott was judged based on one sentence he said at an old man‘s birthday party and the left didn‘t apologize for that. The fact is that this woman went out and gave this speech four different times, she knew a reporter was following her, she was speaking on behalf of her husband. I‘m not taking her out of context and the minute I quote her words in context, the first thing you bring up is her skin color.
Now, I think as that‘s contemptible because what you‘re trying to say is, if I quote her actual words and context, the fact that she has black skin, that‘s her immunity from being quoted. That‘s racism on your part.
ALTER: You‘re trying to turn her into a stereotype of an angry black woman. We know exactly what you‘re trying to say.
LARSON: No, I‘m not. I‘m quoting her words.
(CROSSTALK)
ABRAMS: Hang on one second.
VANDEN HEUVEL: I don‘t know your name, but this country -
LARSON: I don‘t care what color she is.
VANDEN HEUVEL: This country was founded in sin and, also, in greatness. And it‘s that fusion, which I do think, if we don‘t talk about, is dishonest to where we might
(CROSSTALK)
ABRAMS: Hang on a second. Brad, I‘m going to give you the final word on this, but, again, John McCain‘s words, "I really didn‘t love America until I was deprived to her company," people are going to take it out of context and I can assure you that if Michelle Obama has said those words in any context, Lars Larson and people like him would be all over it.
Brad, final word on it.
BLAKEMAN: OK. Let me put this into context. The reason why Michelle Obama was not given the benefit of the doubt is because it became upon the heels of outrageous statements by her pastor and by others close to them who spoke for them. And people like Reverend Wright and Father Pfleger and others, gave more power to Michelle Obama‘s words that maybe should have been given credence to but that‘s the way it was.
ABRAMS: It seems to me, on the one hand, you say it‘s important to put it into context, and on the other hand, it‘s important to take it out of context.
But anyway, all right. We‘re going to continue, thanks to our great panel. Everyone is sticking around.
Pretty astonishing, wouldn't you agree?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















Comments Policy
Swift Boating
June 21, 2008 - 15:26 ET by exLibThe left loves to whine and moan about the right's use of ads and such that deliver negative information on their opponent.
For the left it's simple, they use the media to do their negative campaigning.
The right MUST use ads to deliver both negative information against opponenets as well as getting positive information out about themselves.
Remember a year or so ago the media was all up in arms because Bush had to hire some media people to help get the good news out about Iraq and such. The media was so mad because they want to control the flow of information themselves.
Here's how it works
June 21, 2008 - 17:16 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsThe left loves to whine and moan about the right's use of ads and such that deliver negative information on their opponent.
Here's how it works:
Use the left's own words against them, it's an evil right wing smear machine attack, use the right's own words against them, it's hard-hitting news.
D
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Getting the message out.
June 21, 2008 - 15:38 ET by GeneZThis is a clear example of why McCain needs to get more aggressive in getting his message out. The media is clearly going to do all it can to put Obama in the best possible light. That has been the failure of the republican party in the past, the failure to make sure the true message really gets out there. I have been amazed at the number of people who are taking the "sound bites" and forming their opinions. In this day and age of high speed information and a populace with virtually zero attention span, the person/party with the best sound bites wins.
Gene, the Republicans are wimps
June 21, 2008 - 17:46 ET by jefflebowskiplus McPain is a Democrat. He is reminding me of another "moderate" loser...Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.
The Republicans want everyone to like them. They continue to be wimps. They don't believe in what they are selling.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Agreed. I just keep hoping
June 21, 2008 - 18:50 ET by GeneZAgreed. I just keep hoping for better. My optimistic attitude and faith in our country is the only thing that has kept me from running for the hills already... Although I may reconsider...
This is petty and asinine.
June 21, 2008 - 15:39 ET by SMGalbraithThis is petty and asinine. Abrams' attempts to become a Mini-Me version of Olbermann has clearly succeeded.
I could have worded it more gently; but why try?
There is absolutely zilch
June 21, 2008 - 15:44 ET by bigtimerThere is absolutely zilch for comparison...anyone with a brain that works correctly knows it...
I expect nothing less from Abrams/msnbc.
Bias...what bias?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
100% right, bigtimer
June 21, 2008 - 16:05 ET by crsheddmuch better to not love your country than not be proud of it.
mccain may not have loved his country until captured, but we all know him and cindy have always been proud americans!
cr
June 21, 2008 - 16:40 ET by Noel Sheppardcr,
If this is the depth of your liberal bias, I see absolutely no reason to ever respond to anything you write here again. Have a nice life. ns
Well...I just saw
June 21, 2008 - 17:04 ET by bigtimerWell...I just saw this....leave it to cr...nothing new with him...same old leftist troll, it's his job, it's what he does.
Pathetic.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT
June 21, 2008 - 17:07 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
Any person that beholden to his dogma isn't worth a second of one's time. Add this thing to the growing list of miscreants here whose postings I completely ignore. It's the only way to remain sane. :-) ns
Can't help laughing...I
June 21, 2008 - 17:18 ET by bigtimerCan't help laughing...I agree Noel.
I'd say about 95% of the time I do try to ignore these critters...sometimes the other 5% of my time I just can't help responding...just depends on mood, words in post and the subject.
Oh well, we finally have a Global Warming Day here in my neck of the woods...over 80 degrees here...storm clouds are gathering and thunder/lightening may be striking soon...
Yippee!
Of course the power will most likely go out...that's the bad side of it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Uh-oh, Bigtimer...80
June 21, 2008 - 18:02 ET by CJK51Uh-oh, Bigtimer...80 degrees, thunderstorms in summer! Evacuate or just live in your basement, for global warming is nigh!
Just ask Al "my electric bill is way higher than your electric bill" Gore. :-)
LOL CJK... Well I fear
June 21, 2008 - 18:06 ET by bigtimerLOL CJK...
Well I fear this will last through Sept. what to do...what to do!
Besides that temps will RISE I tell ya...Rise...
Imagine that....
Planetary Emergency! Planetary Emergency!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
You're in luck, Bigtimer.
June 21, 2008 - 18:19 ET by CJK51You're in luck, Bigtimer. I've spent the past several weeks constructing a spaceship from old patio furniture and leftover wood from home construction. With the aid of several aerosol cans, I plan to leave earth before global warming destroys us all. I invite all from Newsbusters to join me!
Does anyone want to bet if there is some nutbag someplace who has done this very thing?
Aerosol cans?? You're
June 21, 2008 - 23:24 ET by JerryAerosol cans?? You're obviously part of the problem. I suggest you switch to a Diet Coke and Mentos propulsion system.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jerry, you're absolutely
June 21, 2008 - 23:39 ET by CJK51Jerry, you're absolutely right! Shame on me for belching more CFCs into the air when something perfectly green like Diet Coke and Mentos will hurtle us through space just as well.
In light of this, would you like to be the chief engineer on this quest? :-)
Aye aye cap'n. Mister
June 22, 2008 - 00:13 ET by JerryAye aye cap'n. Mister Scott at yer service.
Wait a minute.... I was joking about the Mister Scott part, but CJK? Captain James Kirk? Could it be? Who else could take on such an Enterprise as to contruct an interplanetary space craft from rudimentary patio furniture? It would be an honor to join in your quest sir. Time is short. We have many Klingons, Gore-gons, and Obama-cons to vanquish.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
You guys have cracked me up
June 21, 2008 - 23:42 ET by bigtimerYou guys have cracked me up with laughter today...thanks.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
BT Jerry and CJK
June 21, 2008 - 23:55 ET by botgyou mean lawn chair Larry?
botg... LOL...I forgot
June 22, 2008 - 00:04 ET by bigtimerbotg...
LOL...I forgot about good ol' Larry...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Oh my, that is hilarious!!!
June 22, 2008 - 00:20 ET by JerryOh my, that is hilarious!!! I can't stop laughing. Leveled off at 16,000 ft! I would have loved to have heard that Pan Am pilot's conversation.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
and imagine you are at 16000 ft
June 22, 2008 - 00:36 ET by botgsuspended by balloons and you have to shoot the balloons to get down
Support our Troops
All right, Jerry, we're
June 22, 2008 - 01:16 ET by CJK51All right, Jerry, we're scrapping the patio furniture and Diet Coke/Mentos -- weather balloons and lawn chairs all around!
my bad, noel.
June 21, 2008 - 19:45 ET by crsheddyou see, i get confused.
here is a liberal slamming a statement from a conservative for a statement that we all know what he actually meant.
that is soooo wrong.
when a liberal makes a statement that we all know what she actually meant, we are suppose to play stupid and jump all over the liberal for months.
i'm also figuring out that whatever a conservative commentator says is okay, he's a commentator, not a reporter,.
if a liberal commentator (i can't think of ANYBODY* who thinks abrahms is a reporter!) does the same thing it is reporter bias!
bear with me noel, i'm learning.
*again, my bad. evidently on this site he IS a reporter.
I'm o.k. with the excuse
June 21, 2008 - 22:21 ET by mulerider24I'm o.k. with the excuse that Michelle misspoke or was ad-libbing too far off the teleprompter. But to equivocate the two quotes is simple lunacy. If we were to restate each quote into cliche' format, here is what I translate:
McCain: "I really didn't love America until I was deprived of her company."
Translation: Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Michelle: "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am proud of my country."
Translation: Everyone has their price.
crshedd, you aren't confused....
June 22, 2008 - 00:19 ET by R D Helm...you are utterly clueless. :-)
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
crshedd
June 22, 2008 - 01:53 ET by DelsaM Obama said what she said. Words mean things. She said, "for the FIRST time in my ADULT life I am proud of my country"
We cannot misinterpret the words "FIRST" or "ADULT". FIRST means, "a ranking as above all others or an interval separating two points on this continuum" and ADULT means, "one who has attained maturity or legal age or fully developed".
Therefore, what MO said, was that above all other events in her mature and fully developed life, she is proud of her country for the FIRST time.
Being redundant is not my goal. However, she said what she said and her words meant things. She is well educated and understands the English language. She did not misspeak.
You are free to read into it whatever you want but it does not undo what she said.
A black woman, having gone to the finest schools, and until 2008 she has NEVER been proud of this country. Unexplainable.
McCain was born into a military family. Who knows, maybe he wanted to be a brain surgeon but he was compelled to carry on family tradition. Therefore, unlike his father and his father before him who were went into the military because of love John McCain appreciated and loved his country more after his POW experience.
No matter how you slice it, McCain said nothing coming even close to this bitter womans words.
If you do not see or won't see the difference, there is nothing anyone can do.
You will have to figure out what you are willing to give up if you choose to vote for Obama.
Obama's gift of slavery to the government is not anything I want to partake in and therefore he will not have my vote.
I will not vote for him because of his idology not because of his color.
As for his wife M O aka Aunt Esther, she can take a hike.
Besides that
June 22, 2008 - 00:14 ET by DEVILDOCMOMhis grammar is atrocious.
I uncovered this breaking news: right
June 21, 2008 - 15:46 ET by SickofLibsAbrams: the great legal mind who never saw the inside of a courtroom. Not even municipal court.
Racism
June 21, 2008 - 16:00 ET by Humblepie(noun)
-American Heritage Dictionary
When all else fails, use the race card. The talking bafoons in love with the Obama's will use whatever tool they can to ensure their candidate is able to operate unhindered. How dare conservatives suggest they (Obama) have anything but the best intent for this country.
LARSON: Now, I think as that‘s contemptible because what you‘re trying to
say is, if I quote her actual words and context, the fact that she has
black skin, that‘s her immunity from being quoted. That‘s racism on
your part.
ALTER: You‘re trying to turn her into a stereotype of an angry black woman. We know exactly what you‘re trying to say.
LARSON: No, I‘m not. I‘m quoting her words.
Way to go Lars. Even when you throw it back in their face, they still hold the party line. And yes Lars, your right, Dan Abrams would never qualify as one of your producers. I think Forest Gump wasn't as dumb as he was made out to be. Remember his saying: "stupid is as stupid does." Sounds like MSBNC in general.
M.O. is going through a make over to look softer and more lovable to the general populous. How long will her handlers be able to control her is the better question. Someone who "loves" America as she does will not be able to quell her charming verbal skills of this.
As for the "talking heads" in the media, conservatives must continue to point out the facts and throw it back at them.
Support America - Shoot a liberal
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
media portrayals
June 21, 2008 - 22:59 ET by the53rdcalypsoThere have been a lot of interesting opinions about Michelle Obama. Not only from the GOP but from her husband and herself. Check out this article: http://www.236.com/n...
Comparable to Michael Jordan and Jackie O... or something.
Hey 53rdC... That puts it
June 21, 2008 - 23:07 ET by bigtimerHey 53rdC...
That puts it snugly in a nutshell!
I enjoyed immensely...also am passing that on.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Verdershovel
June 21, 2008 - 16:15 ET by exLibYou've go to wonder why this woman gets onto to these shows. Everytime she comes on a show, no matter what anyone asks her, she spouts a prepared speech filled with the latest bag of leftist talking points. Everytime.
I remember one time, back when it was Scarborough Country and Joe had a spine, he interrupted her monologue and actually called her out on it and said "Enough with the prepared speeches and answer my question". Now adays of course, Joe let's her have the floor as long as she wants.
Wow, this is so lame. To
June 21, 2008 - 16:22 ET by fitzfongWow, this is so lame. To suggest that McCain's statement is even in the same universe as that of Michelle Obama is ridiculous. McCain, a man denied five years of freedom as a POW, stated that he didn't fully appreciate the virtues of this country until he was deprived of them. Obama, having had the benefit of an Ivy League education and a very comfortable adulthood, says she wasn't proud of this country until her husband ran for President. The guy with the squirrel on top of his head is getting increasingly desperate to make spurious connections to cover for the stupidity of his favored candidate. Nice try, Abrams. Your next set of DNC talking points is on the way.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
Vandershoval says
June 21, 2008 - 16:45 ET by Delsa"they would not run for office if they did not love their country. Why else would they want to serve?"
Here is the reason. THEY WANT TO TAKE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO A SOCIALIST OR WORSE, STATE!
PERIOD!
Miss katerina is a communist. She fits right in on all these shows. They are who they are and if we are not carefull, they will get what they want.
Lars is right. If we criticize we will be labeled RACIST.
So be it!
Shameless
June 21, 2008 - 17:01 ET by nkviking75It's pathetic how far the MSM will stretch to defend the Obamas. McCain was saying that his experience as a POW deepened his love for America. Michelle was saying she was not proud of America until Barack reached the heights as the most successful black candidate ever for POTUS. Has MSNBC no shame?
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Out of context...
June 21, 2008 - 17:04 ET by dmntd1Here's a GREAT out of context clip from none other than "moveon.org"....
Really, if I had been Lars Larson in this interview, I'm not sure I'd have been able to hold back a giant 'raspberry' while tossing my hands up in the air. Racist? for a quote?!? phbbblllttttt! I give UP!
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini
Dan Abrams grasping at straws
June 21, 2008 - 18:55 ET by ToddonCapeCodWow.
He's very desperate.
Saying he didn't love America until he was absent from it doesn't mean he didn't love America before; it means being absent from America made him love her with a deeper appreciation and passion.
Michelle has said "for the first time"..... and that clearly implies that the love wasn't there until now.
HUGE difference, Dan.
I never had a problem with
June 21, 2008 - 19:01 ET by balboaI never had a problem with MO's comment (silliness), nor do I have a problem with McCain's (more silliness). I don't think shows should try to get into the business of gotcha / gotcha back kind of stuff.
bal...for once we agree
June 21, 2008 - 19:05 ET by BlondeKind of.
I don't agree with either of these comments being "silliness", at all.
But I do think the "gotcha / gotcha back kind of stuff" is childish.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
is McCain the next Bob Dole?
June 21, 2008 - 19:56 ET by ZuccoZoidDems are banking on the ignorance of the American public, and they may be right - it's American Idol, vote for the best crooner - McCain seems dry as dust by comparison, and it's his own fault - would he rather be golfing? Seems that way.
Where's Cindy McCain?
June 21, 2008 - 20:04 ET by Jack BauerIn case anyone wondered where Mrs McCain is while Mrs Obama is whooping it up on the view... check out her daughter's blog
http://www.mccainblo...
It appears no one in the media is that interested, but Cindy McCain and her daughter are in Vietnam helping raise awareness and help children with severe facial disfigurments.
Prepare to be moved by what you see.
thanks Dave
June 21, 2008 - 20:11 ET by botgSupport our Troops
Excellent link, Jack
June 21, 2008 - 20:13 ET by BlondeAnd as usual, you are spot-on.
I was moved.
And the media isn't interested. MO's $148 dress is far more intriguing to the MsM. How typical.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I don't see as much TV news
June 22, 2008 - 07:10 ET by Jack BauerI don't see as much TV news as you guys, except for Fox -- has this been featured anywhere? I haven't even seen it on Fox.
Hey Jack... Thank
June 21, 2008 - 20:13 ET by bigtimerHey Jack...
Thank you...
Priceless/precious what Cindy McCain is doing.
This is the first I have heard of any of this...now we all know if this was Michelle what the coverage would be...of course we all know everything about Michelle is me, me, me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Forget Mac, I say "Cindy
June 21, 2008 - 20:15 ET by Clear thinkerForget Mac, I say "Cindy for President".
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
So Dan
June 21, 2008 - 22:07 ET by well99How long have you been a spokesman for Obama and what kind of perks do you get?
"For the first time in my
June 21, 2008 - 22:45 ET by Jerry"For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country."
Out of context? What possible context could frame this bombshell in a favorable light?
For example, let's say that Barrack was one of the two final canidates for "Father of the Year", and because of this Michele said... "For the first time in my life, I am proud of my children.".. What context could possibly make that palatable to their children????
You've told your children you've never been proud of them, but now, because your husband is up for this award, you are proud of them. Please, please, put this in context for your children (country).
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Both comments are on
June 22, 2008 - 01:11 ET by SchnikeysBoth comments are on entirely different planets as far as context is concerned.
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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"
I think that focusing on
June 22, 2008 - 03:56 ET by liberal_bug_zapperI think that focusing on Michelle Obama's worthless statements is taking away time better spent labeling Obama as the big government "TAKE ALL YOUR FREEDOM" and "SUBJUGATE YOU TO THE WILL OF THE STATE" Socialist that has been slowly taking away all of our freedom for Decades. It scares me that we are taking the bait and getting into these tit-for-tat arguments when the fate of our free country is at stake...
For all the bluster from the left over the Patriot Act, the far more scary losses of all of our freedom come from legislation like the Americans with Disabilities Act - totally anti freedom and free choice, the Anti Smoking laws that are banning smoking on private property e.g. you can't smoke in any bar in Washington State... even as the owner of that bar, you cannot make your bar an all smoking establishment.... freedom gone.... EPA... takes freedom from all Americans, the FDA takes freedom from all americans, the IRS takes freedom from all Americans....
Hell... you do NOT own your property.... if you think you do... stop paying taxes.... see how long it takes them to take it from you.... and if you try and stop them.... see how long it takes them to kill you and take it from you. We stopped being free when we let Liberals into Government to make laws and acts and other legislation... we lost our Freedom when the Democrats/Socialists/Liberals gained the Majority in Congress... and they lie about what they do every day, but every time a law or a bill is passed, we put another nail in the coffin of freedom....
Obama is another one of these Freedom Hating Liberals, and it's his policies, and his ideology we should be ripping to shreds... over and over. If we allow for this red herring to play out... we will lose our country. More and more people are agreeing with the scumbag Democrats who've been advocating the Nationalization of the Oil companies....hell, they're no longer afraid to come out on National TV and talk about it like it's as normal as breathing... that we've forgotton our rights... I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with the oil companies, armed if need be to defend against the illegal and communist attempt to take them over... I won't stand by and let the Communists take over this country... not without bloodshed.
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"We have enjoyed so much freedom for so long that we are perhaps in danger of forgetting how much blood it cost to establish the Bill of Rights." ~ Felix Frankfurter
libzapper, you have my vote!
June 22, 2008 - 10:25 ET by jefflebowskiI often feel like we are sheep as the government intrudes into our lives even more. Now there is talk of nationalizing industries and Fairness Doctrine, etc. It's like something out of Atlas Shrugged. Amazing what Ayn Rand saw 50+ years ago.
I wish we had a politician with your passion! We and our country are being sold down the river.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
I have heard this reference
June 22, 2008 - 13:10 ET by RukusI have heard this reference to Atlas Shrugged several times now, I have got to get that book! Hey Dee, was it you who said Unsane would come on line and smooch folks who have read that book? LOL! I gotta get this book! Morning everybody!!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Quoting
June 22, 2008 - 08:12 ET by PurdueMatt"LARSON: No, I‘m not. I‘m quoting her words."
Why does everyone have such a hard time with this simple concept?
Who'd a thunk it would be a
June 22, 2008 - 09:47 ET by JerryWho'd a thunk it would be a smear to quote someone?
Golly, just think of all the school kids who are smearing Abraham Lincoln every day when they quote the Gettysburg Address. How about the court recorder who smears the defendant while transcribing the testimony? Remember the smear campaign against Neil Armstrong... "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind"? When will the madness end?
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
After all they are... "Just
June 22, 2008 - 13:16 ET by RukusAfter all they are... "Just words"
Well, unless they don't fit their lefty agenda, then they don't count.
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"