Over the weekend, French president Nicolas Sarkozy went down in defeat to Socialist Francois Hollande. Do you see the election as having any bearing on the American elections or is it just an anomaly?
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Europe is screwed.
Submitted by WhoIsJohnGalt on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:26am.
I don't think it's an anomaly. This is what happens when citizens are trained to expect goodies from the government. While they may feel the pain and occasionally vote for sane, conservative government, if they don't soon get more goodies, they sour on conservatism and soon try and vote themselves more goodies again.
I think this is the last national election (ours upcoming in November, I mean) where we can turn around the rising tide of socialism in this country. You think Obummer was bad this term, just wait until he has no election to worry about, and he runs amok in his second term. If Romney doesn't win this election, we're doomed to be like Greece. Maybe not next year, but eventually, and sooner that everyone expects.
As a former employer once told me when we had a less-than-inspiring candidate running for President; "Look, he may not be 'my guy', but he's a helluva lot closer to 'my guy' than the other guy." Makes a lot of sense.
It is amusing
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:00pm.
When citizens are promised goodies from their government on the belief that the gravy train will last forever, it certainly comes as a severe shock when new leaders call for austerity measures to preserve whatever they can.
It will be amusing to see what transpires in France under a socialist government. This is like the heroin addict kicking out the tough-love counseler in favor of the drug dealer.
What it means for us is that the Left in this country -- so enamored with the socialist policies of Western Europe -- will witness what happens when the pusher is running the drug rehab program.
The French liberal media
Submitted by Dominus providebit on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:29am.
The French were a little late when in the latter parts of the campaign they were beginning to out the french liberal media and now that country is going to pay the consequences for their decision. Remember what President Obama said "Elections have consequences" and I believe that one of those consequences in France is going to being Germany leaving the euro and going back to the Deutsche mark.
Rambles on France
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:50pm.
...and France going back to the franc.
I'm going to have some sort of twisted pleasure in this - if it doesn't bring the world economy into the gutter with it. France's citizens are thoroughly pampered and babied by their government. The French government controls something like 56% of the GDP of the country. And what do the 60 million children (they can't possibly be considered to be adults) want? Why, more pampering and babying.
France, if Hollande brings about even half of what he has promised voters, is going to trigger an even more massive Euro crisis (which I think will ultimately cause the demise of the currency). Hollande is a hate-filled human being, as he has admitted he is controlled by envy ("I don't like the rich", he has said.). When he begins to steal from the successful even more fervently than before, they aren't going to take it: they are going to stow their capital out of reach of the French authorities. I suspect that a lot of French youth are going to start traveling elsewhere for work as the unemployment rate explodes. And Hollande stupidly believes he's just going to re-negotiate things with Angela Merkel so that everything will be just fine in the end. Yeah, and I suspect Merkel is going to promptly tell Hollande to get bent.
The funny thing is that the euro was envisioned by the French as a way to control Germany and keep them in their place. Almost the exact opposite has happened. I guess France is just destined forever to be Germany's b****.
Look for another euro crisis towards the end of the year, especially if credit agencies began downgrading French foreign debt - always a possibility. If Hollande starts to seriously implement his campaign promises, look for credit agencies to call France on their behavior, and then the turmoil will begin.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
It will be fraudulently sold...
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:31am.
...as a rejection of "conservative" "austerity" but HIGH TAXES + REDUCED SPENDING = EXACTLY what produced the "mini-depression" within the Great Depression of '37-'38.
There's NOTHING conservative about HIGHER taxes - but THAT'S the bullcrap that will be spun ALL OVER TV.
Had they CUT taxes + reduced spending THEN the generationally dependent might have AT LEAST seen the HOPE of a way out right in front of them, namely, vastly increased economic activity and the promise of WORK and making YOUR OWN MONEY. But that's not what they got. So they got the only economic system an entire generation of entitled has ever known clipped & cut, then SPLAT - NO HOPE anywhere in sight.
No wonder they had a temper tantrum.
The MSM painted our 2010 mid-terms as a "temper tantrum" but they weren't. It was a very pro-longed, focused, informed reaction to what we were seeing (I get a laugh out of these OWS boosters calling Tea Party fools when all you ever saw was people clutching PRINTOUTS of the stuff they were pissed about - THEY'D READ IT. They KNEW what they were mad about which is more than we can say for most of the whores on the Hill who gleefully admit to never having read the sh*t sandwiches they voted on). THIS election in France was CLEARLY a national stomping of feet, jonesing for their government crack.
politics is politics
Submitted by mom_rox on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:35am.
I predict the Obama campaign will tout the French 'rejecting the failed policies of the past administration' whether they be financial or cultural while the Romney campaign will say that the US needs a course correction to avoid becoming Greece II.
That said, I doubt that most undecided voters are even aware of the French election so the impact is negligible. More (of the undecideds) will probably hear that Mick Jagger's ex is no longer First Lady than know the political shift of the country.
Pres. Obama will like the idea of a 15% tax rate on the rich...
Submitted by ctyankee on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:47pm.
French President-elect Hollande has proposed a 15% tax on the "rich" in his country. That will earn him great admiration from our US president.
Le Boot
Submitted by kristensuzanne on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:42am.
Europe has been traveling down that socialist road for decades and it is already almost too late to turn back. Their other remaining problem adding to their own decline is seeing Islam as an almost overwhelming force within Europe..this should not have happened, but it will ultimately have to be dealt with and with force...the Islamization of Europe is an ongoing threat which will probably create the next worldwide conflict...creeping Sharia cannot be dismissed...and in France it has led to much violence and the primary entitlement crowd are Muslims whose young people are rioting in the streets..voting in a Socialist will be France's undoing..and they will have done it as an appeasement gesture..this has never been the best of ideas...an ever expanding Muslim population will finally reach a tipping point in France and in other parts of Europe that is now almost impossible to ignore, but providing more entitlements only exacerbates this problem even further...voting in another Socialist is only kicking that can further down the road..
All excellent points
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:49am.
Well done.
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Europe will do what it has always done, kristen.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:53pm.
They will start killing each other, until someone wins, or they just get tired of killing each other.
They have been doing it that way forever, and they will continue to do it.
GB
Submitted by Jerry Frey on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:02pm.
Margaret Thatcher turned back the clock on socialism in Great Britain and they're looking at another recession.
"tipping point"
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:53pm.
European countries are "importing" Muslims because they need workers to pay taxes for their socialist systems because their own birth rates are falling below replacement rate.
I just read an article earlier today that the Muslim population in the US has grown by 67%. That's only about 2.6 million right now, but still quite an increase.
In Buffalo, NY, that increase has been 242%
The population of Dearborn, MI is about 1/3 Muslim (Local blogger Debbie Schlussel calls it "Dearbornistan")
Are we on the way to having "Muslim enclaves?" Will they want to institute Sharia Law in their local communities? Will they be a part of America or separate themselves? We don't know yet.
I don't know what the "tipping point" will be, but I will quote Mark Steyn, who wrote "America Alone"
The future belongs to the fecund and the confident. The Islamists are both.
I disagree,
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:56pm.
We don't know yet.
I think we do.
Do we ever, Boudin!!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:40pm.
Islam is a relatively new religion as religions go, yet in every country where they have achieved a majority, they are exactly the same. They destroy every other religion that isn't Islam, and their laws are based strictly on Sharia.
There is no doubt what they will do in the USA when they can, and not a second later.
We can fight it now while we have a chance, or we can sit around for a few more generations and watch our grandchildren and great grandchildren convert or die. I'm kind of glad that I won't be around then.
That simple bubba.
Been trying
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:01pm.
To answer your questions in order: 1) Yes, we have them already 2) Yes, they've been trying for several years and even had some judges actually do it in violation of their Constitutional Oath 3) No, they don't want to be part of America, they want to conquer it and 4) (I know, not really a question) yeah, it's been in the news several times, Dearborn and Buffalo are just two places, there's Tulsa, OK, and others.
Islam is the kind of cancer that your doctor will tell you that it's benign until it's too late.
And given the state of health care these days, thanks to ObeymeCare, that's getting to be more likely, so this is an apt analogy.
-Jon
I was actually considering
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:43pm.
I was actually considering the ramifications of when the percentage of the population is a LOT more than it is now, say, approaching the almost 10% that it is now in France.
But doing some more research, I came upon this, which is troubling.
And from there linked to THIS
Merits serious consideration.
motherbelt,
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:46pm.
I was of a mind that Islam would achieve their Mediterranean Caliphate but I no longer think it will be as complete as they had wished. If Europe falls to Socialism they will soon be dealing with a Dictator or two that will have no problems wiping out entire swaths of Allah's chosen.
If I had to guess there will be a migration of Muslims westward if this comes to pass and your 10% could come very quickly.
Depends on the dictator
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 3:20pm.
Some dictators will believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, except in the case of Islam, they will work with their enemy's enemy until such a time they will attempt to takeover that enemy as well. Look at Hitler, he formed(or tried to) an alliance with the Islamists just because of their hatred of Jews(and anyone not of Islam) in the latter area of WW2 before his demise.
Hugo Chavez was teaming up with Iran's ahma-dinner-jacket for similar reasons, both of them hate America. And so on.
Russia was working with Iran because it's a beusiness venture. How long before Russia unleashes on Iran if Iran says "you must become of Islam if you want to maintain the alliance or we will attack you too"?(if not Iran directly, one of their proxies)
-Jon
A dictator by any other name
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 7:23am.
Don't get me wrong, you don't throw away a good weapon because someday you may have to destroy it. Do you really think Chavez, Hitler or Putin would think twice about destroying Iran or any other Muslim country if there was no US to answer to about their actions? They would use the Islamic fanaticalness as cannon fodder or to undermine local governments and then move in the troops and send the Muslims on their way.
There is a lot of history there with the Russians anyway with the collapse of the Ottoman empire. Not sure either side would ever truly trust the other but to bring down Western decadence and interference they would probably use each other but then the Muslims would be negotiating with Putin or his chosen successor and not a Bush or Obama who, regardless of your opinion of their war time leadership, believe in things like ROE.
It will definitely have an effect
Submitted by c5then on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:50am.
But not directly. Only in an indirect way. France will be less likely to implement austerity measures now (that means not spending more than they take in). As a result they are more likely to default on their bonds. The new President also says that he wants to impose a 75% income tax on the "rich" (no definition for that term) so the wealthy french citizens are probably going to be looking to move to England accross the Channel to avoid the tax. That will cause France's revenues to drop, their debt to go up (since they won't stop spending) and the debt to GDP ratio to increase.
And then there is Greece... They are more likely now to request to leave the EU. With that happening and France's issues, not to mention Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland.... The EU is probably dead already and we are just waiting for the date to be announced.
Interestingly, this will all be "good" for the US dollar. With the Euro near collapse more and more currency investors and traders and hedgers will want dollars, so the Dollar will start going up in value against foreign currencies. Meanwhile all of Europe (with the possible exception of Germany) will fall into another recession. This will cause the US to slip off the cliff into a double-dip recession too. As the European situation gets worse, the dollar will rise and we will start to see some deflation occuring. Because there is so much debt being destroyed and written off, the FED will have no tool in their box that can prevent this now.
This will only be starting by the election so it will not have a direct impact as I said above. Only in that the markets will be more choppy and probably starting a pull-back and the economy will be slowing and not recovering. Uncertainty means that many people will be pulling their money out and just waiting. (probably starting now)
Whoever is elected in Nov. will wish they had lost. Within a year we will see the breakup of the EU, and Europe descend into another deep recession with high inflation as they all start re-issuing their own money again. Meanwhile the US will descend into another recession but we will have deflation (thanks in part to no confidence in Europe).
Fasten your seatbelts and hold on. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
To add to your thought, C5,
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:18pm.
I can see Hollande stamping his foot and demanding to be named, or at least thought of, as the nominal head of the EU, until it collapses. He's not happy with Merkel and wants himself and France to take their rightful place as the head of Europe.
But, your analysis is spot on, and France will take it's rightful place as the next Greece.
He spoke true
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:33pm.
Hollande did the Obeyme thing where he spoke the truth about being against the world of finance, calling it his "real enemy."
Despite that, people voted for him anyway. So they can have him and all the rewards that come from it.
And it's gonna go downhill.
Fast.
-Jon
France screws itself
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:57pm.
Hollande can foot-stomp all he wants. Merkel is really the driving force in the EU right now because the German economy is doing well. And she is not going to be in any mood to hand-hold the French. The German electorate is already bent over what the Greeks are doing, as they feel they are subsidizing the Greeks. France wants to do more of the same, and the German electorate to which Merkel is beholden will want to have none of it.
As bad as the Greek crisis was and is, it didn't effect too many people outside of Europe because most of the exposure to Greece was in Europe. A euro crisis centered on France will be a much bigger deal, as it is the world's sixth largest economy with investments all over the world (and with quite a bit of FDI inside France itself).
Nice job voting in Hollande, Frenchies. You just screwed yourselves.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
The French are nuts.
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:13pm.
France is the leading example of the entitlement society. The French unions et al want to keep every foolish thing that has been given to them - - and will strike and riot if anyone tries to cut their entitlements, perks, and easy work by a fraction. The nation will never change because the radical French won't let it - even as it sinks to Greece's level. The French are nuts. They will get the crazy socialist government they deserve.
Reports Are That
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:32pm.
The great sucking sound from France is the amount of capital that is being taken out of the country, headed for England and Israel. Viva La Revolution.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
I suspect that Monaco is going to be getting some new
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:01pm.
citizens and an infusion of money, very shortly.
Not to mention, Switzerland.
As Baracka pandered to minorities, unions and the quasi-legal, Hollande pandered to the minorities, unions and the quasi-legal. There seems to be a deeper pattern here than just Hollande's use of new media, and co-opting the established media, like Baracka.
The only significant difference seems to be that France will probably burn to the ground much faster than the US, when the Muslims and the unions in France fight over the carcass of the French Nation.
Its going to be strange
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:38pm.
Its going to be strange seeing France go the way of Greece. 75% taxes on the rich, what do they consider rich. We all know Obama considers it about 200K.
don't discount France
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:19pm.
France has proven they will do almost anything from a business point of view - from counterfeiting to Food-for-Oil and dealing with dictators. They are now philosophically closer in line with Russia and China so may benefit from improved relations with those two nations as long as they don't get stuck in between the two.
Because of these reasons and certain specialty products France will probably do better than most in the break down of the EU. It would not surprise me to see France become the intermediary between what exist of the Mediterranean Caliphate and BRIC.
The Socialist government of France will leave NATO...
Submitted by ctyankee on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:49pm.
Hollande said that he wants French troops to leave Afghanistan by the end of this year. His lack of support for NATO may give Pres. Obama an excuse to cut and run.
Obama is already cutting and running
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:54pm.
No problem if France leaves NATO. I wish we'd leave it, too. It's a Cold War dinosaur in search of a mission, and that makes it dangerous. NATO gives weak leaders like Obama "cover" for military adventurism (i.e. Libya).
A simple truth:
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 11:16am.
The day NATO becomes an anachronism is the day that
1) No one needs to project power anymore to a good portion of the world (meaning that Europe no longer needs to be a power-projection springboard) or
2) The United States has a fleet of about 300 C-5s that have the capability of going hypersonic with their full cargo loads when airborne. This accompanied by about a thousand or so Concordes used to deploy the troops to go with the cargo.
But then, I don't expect people who don't understand logistics or view the United States's ability to project power as a source of deep national shame to get that.
You voting for the Shahinshah or Ron Paul?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
The French made a mistake
Submitted by Jerry Frey on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:57pm.
The French may be socialist without the autocratic streak, but history and the markets are against them.
“The size of the French government is 20pc of GDP too high. It is a brake on growth and lies at the root of our national decline,” said Professor Francois Facchini from the Sorbonne. “We like to think France is a special case, but we’re not.”
http://napoleonlive.info/did-you-know/france-2/
The Gitmo trials.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 12:57pm.
I am already fed up with the "trial" at Gitmo, of the poor babies that we have so badly mistreated that they can hardly stay in the courtroom because of their poor treatment.
The Marines need to march those bastards outside, offer them a cigarette and a blindfold if they want it, and then shoot their sorry asses and feed their bodies to the hogs.
THAT is justice for these bastards.
Baracka has already invited his new fellow socialist
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 9:22pm.
to the White House. And, I'll bet that Hollande doesn't have to leave by the back entrance.
And, there's this, from Baracka's mouthpiece, "“President Obama indicated that he looks forward to working closely with Mr. Hollande and his government on a range of shared economic and security challenges,”. Emphasis added.
Well, it's certainly not an anomoly
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:35pm.
Greece went the same direction and it looks like Italy will as well.
So here's the thing: How soon before a resurgent Russia, backed by China, makes a move westward and begins to swallow up these cash-strapped countries? They don't have to do it militarily this time; Greece is for the taking. They've effectively called Merkel's hand on the latest bailout so she's got one of two choices: let them completely fail on their own, or bail them out without precondition to save them from the resurgence of Putin-style democracy. Either way her political career is waning.
France, not so much. This new commie-light they elected will scream and holler about more stimulus and the evil German empire controlling the purse strings in Europe; then, in traditional French style, fully capitulate and blame the United States.
Italy may join Greece if given enough incentive by Russia. Can you imagine the Vatican surrounded by Putin's Italy? Sorry American Catholics, you decided to moderate; I guess religion wasn't all that important to some of you.
Turkey? Yeah, they're lost.
Georgia? You better be hoping for a Romney victory because -just like the southern state here in the US- you don't matter to Obama.
Poland? Welcome back.
One by one, western Europe will fall back behind the iron curtain and the people who voted for it will have no one to blame but themselves.
bkeyser,
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:41pm.
No doubt that those nations that remember life behind the Iron Curtain are already starting to horde. Probably clearing out a few warehouses for the black market as well.
It will be interesting to see how well Russia and China can deal with the Muslims. We know the Western world never would have - until it was too late.
Keep in mind
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 11:18am.
One in seven Russians is Muslim.
The Chinese also have a Muslim minority in its Xinjiang province.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 2:30pm.
Edit: It also helps when elections don't mean much as they don't seem to in Russia and China is China. (Note that I am not impressed with the US process either) Otherwise the Muslims can vote for their own best interest as they did in France:
93% of Muslims have voted for Francois Holland
A study released by the Institute for Surveys OpinionWay for the second round of elections finds a massive coalition of Muslims for the Socialist Party. It shows a rejection of Sarkozy-ism, but not all the parts of the values of the right, notably on the societal questions on homosexuality.
The Muslims called for change, and they received it. According to a study of the electoral body by OpinionWay and Fidicuial for May 6 by Le Figaro, from 10,000 voters, 93% of the believers had slipped a Francois Hollande ballot in their envelopes. Only 7% of them voted for Nicolas Sarkozy.
True that there are many Muslims in Russia but that seems to be more an effect of history and geography and less of mutual collaboration and shared leadership. Right now the Muslims do not prevent Russia from their political or social goals but it will be interesting if that should change with a desire for the old Ottoman Empire.
Xinjiang province has had issues off and on recently but what I've read is unreliable. It seems that the government down some local issues pretty roughly but then left the locals to clean up the mess. If this is true then the local religious heads got together and declared victory and started recruiting immediately after the government withdrawal. The difference will be when the idea of human rights watch dogs disappear.
If the US should continue their collapse it will be more than just the US presence around the world that will be lost. It will be the $$$ that pay for all those humanitarian watch groups.
Yeah, BK, ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:51pm.
... and THAT'S the good news!!
The only obstacle standing in the way of Communism is the USA, and we have a commie president.
The best news is that any day now, the Moooooooooslems will decide it is time for them to get it on with the commies, and they can start to kill each other.
Too bad how many liberals are going to get caught in the crossfire.
Most importantly for the French -
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 3:01pm.
She may not be a Carla Bruni but France will still have an attactive First Dame
No matter, Agnostic she'll
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 3:10pm.
No matter, Agnostic she'll never be the "fashion icon" that Michelle Obama is.
mb,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 7:27am.
you wouldn't be able to sell that in France for a deflated Euro - no matter how low it goes.
Who?
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 11:20am.
Who, Segolene Royal? One, she's old. Two, she can't be a First Dame. They split, not to mention, she and Hollande never married. They were "partners" (what a dumb term, IMHO).
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Old?
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 1:48pm.
A relative term.
Royal
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 6:11pm.
Miss Royal is...shall we say...no longer reproductively viable, IIRC.
And she can't be a first dame in any event unless she decided to shack up with Hollande again.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
EU-Economically Uncontrollable
Submitted by thetruthdetector on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 3:37pm.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship". .........Unknown
“Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
“The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” ― Thomas Jefferson
As a government seeks out more ways to separate us from our money, in order to fund the ill-concevied notion of socialism............ Human nature dictates that more people will seek out ways to avoid them. This then creates more capital flight and corruption, in both citizen and government.....
The final result is a cornered government that turns to a dictatorship, in order to contain the furor over the populace..... that is in revolt over promised, but not deliverable benefits. AKA GREECE....
"60-67% of the federal budget consists of taking property from one and giving to another. Were a private person to do the same thing, we'd call it theft. When government does it, we call it income redistribution, but that's exactly what thieves do, redistribute income. Income redistribution not only betrays the founders' vision, it's a sin in the eyes of God." .Walter E. Williams
To paraphrase the former SC Senator Fritz Hollings.............. There's just too much sinnin going on over there.
First Londonstan, next Parisstan, as the NO GO zones increase in these cities. It is going to be a long hot summer with many riots, and car fires, esp; in Paris !!!
Another bloomer bomber
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 4:51pm.
plot foiled by the CIA. Not sure how this could even happen given bin Laden's death. Isn't AQ decapitated? Oh well, looks like we just need more TSA agents and more stringent airline passenger checks. "Please remove all outerwear and step through the electro-magnetic-XRay-photon scanners before preceeding to the pat-down, cavity-check area on the other side of the decontamination room. Thank you for your cooperation."
Another example of the
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 4:55pm.
State trampling on the will of the people. Check out the comments and the poll.
The frogs have screwed themselves but good
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 5:05pm.
No way this will turn out well in the end.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Is the federal government preparing for a civil war?
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 5:14pm.
It sure looks like it.
Things happen for a reason, and any of these events on their own may not amount to much, but when you step back and take them all in at once, you get a much different picture.
And don't forget who is in the White House, which makes it even more believable.
After all, paranoia is one trait totalitarian rulers have had in common since long before history began being recorded.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave, And now you know why, the O, thinks he's ahh Lincoln
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 5:26pm.
One stopped slavery.
The won will bring it back.
You Didn't Build That.
Same here Dave!!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 6:50pm.
We have had Chinook helicopters going back and forth between Port Hueneme, and downtown L.A. to a staging area near Dodger Stadium, which happens to be the same place as the LAPD Academy, and the EOC. It should be noted that these Chinook's, are accompanied by FULLY LOADED Cobra attack helos. This has been going on for months, not every day, but enough for people to take notice. Even my sources in command are hesitant to talk about it, and refer to it as "just training".....wink, wink...........Arrive at your own conclusions!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Off topic but ARG!~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 5:36pm.
In regard to the first comment, WE could soon be screwed as well.
I know Dick Morris puts these videos out many times to sell his books but -- HOLY CRAP -- click onto this video of his today, please...I had no idea O was up to these two treaties, and it scares me to death. If the second one is passed we can't even defend our country from attack! And then there's not being able to help Israel, too. Did anyone know about this?
http://www.dickmorris.com/obama-gives-away-our-rights-in-space-and-at-se...
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I have no doubt,
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 5:41pm.
Obama would do this, if he had the power. But he must get any international Treaty Ratified, and that isnt as simple as wanting it. Another good example of why we must not relent.
In the US, the treaty power is a coordinated effort between the Executive branch and the Senate. The President may form and negotiate a treaty, but the treaty must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds vote in the Senate. Only after the Senate approves the treaty can the President ratify it. Once a treaty is ratified, it becomes binding on all the states under the Supremacy Clause. While the United States House of Representatives does not vote on it at all, the requirement for Senate advice and consent to ratification makes it considerably more difficult in the US than in other democratic republics to rally enough political support for international treaties. Also, if implementation of the treaty requires the expenditure of funds, the House of Representatives may be able to block, or at least impede, such implementation by refusing to vote for the appropriation of the necessary funds.
Boudin~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 5:57pm.
Thanks for this.
This gets scarier and scarier.
Again, I know...Romney is not ideal -- but he's a game-changer when it comes to NOT being or doing what O would. I'd say it is dire we get O out of office -- like yesterday -- more like four years ago!
How far will O go? Let's please not find out.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Truth be told GG
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 6:20pm.
I think Romney will have a huge opportunity to be one of the most successful President's ever.
I think the day after he is elected Gas will drop .50, when Inaugurated another .50. The country will feel like it just lost 1.5 trillion lbs
Boudin~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 7:36pm.
I agree with you that he would have a huge opportunity to do great things and really turn things around...I'm praying that first of all, he gets in...and then once in, he realizes that he has this tremendous opportunity to listen to the majority of Americans who are crying out for him to literally save America. He truly would have the most incredible assignment to serve his country and turn the terrible course of history we are on -- I pray he follows through, even for the Lefties who I don't think have any idea the danger America is in under our current president, mainly when it comes to national security. They either have no clue or do not value their freedom or lives!
So despite those conservatives who are really down on Romney and think he just won't cut it, I have hope. And again, there are some very positive things I think we can feel pretty darn secure on with him. So Romney or O? How can we conservatives even think of sitting this one out?
Every single time I write about this, I anticipate that another conservative will write-clobber me, but so far, it hasn't happened. And thanks...I don't really want to get yelled at unless someone really feels they must. ;) But I do get Romney was not many conservatives "ideal pick." I wasn't exactly on his bandwagon, but here we are.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG, Carter pulled this sea crap, Reagan had a different idea
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 5:55pm.
Statement on United States Actions Concerning the Conference on the Law of the Sea
July 9, 1982
For this reason, I am announcing today that the United States will not sign the convention as adopted by the conference, and our participation in the remaining conference process will be at the technical level and will involve only those provisions that serve United States interests.
The lefties think the sea floor belongs to everybody....
Reagan thought that the sea floor belongs to nobody.
You Didn't Build That.
Upcountry~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 6:06pm.
Don't you just "love" the name of the second treaty -- "Fighting Debris in Outer Space"? Wouldn't that just have to be the insidious, ridiculous name they would assign it?
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Send as many libs into space as possible on a community work day
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 6:45pm.
follow the leader...
You Didn't Build That.
Upcountry~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 7:39pm.
Isn't that the "Float to Clean" project? ;)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 6:38pm.
It fits right into Obama's attempt to make the U.S. equal, meaning just as bad, as the rest of the world. I can see that he would LOVE to force American companies to "share" their technologies with the world, and make us pay more money to the rest of the world, simply because we are a successful country.
Rad~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 7:38pm.
I know, and it makes me so mad!
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
The UN wants us to give Mount Rushmore
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 7:33pm.
to the native Americans. Well, it's this one professor who works for the UN.
He's a traitor.
YO YO YO YO YO YO!!!!!!
Submitted by GregE on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 8:04pm.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/7/deficit-streak-ends-obama...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTgx_pj6m8
How can there be a surplus
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 8:07pm.
when we are trillions in debt?
Well......
Submitted by GregE on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 8:45pm.
.........so we spent less in the month than we took in. Big deal. Had they used the "surplus" to pay toward the national debt, there wouldn't have been a "surplus" at all. It's all smoke and mirrors and has been for decades.
Gee, wonder if April 17 th, had anything to do with that.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 1:38pm.
key word (acronym) IRS!
You Didn't Build That.
Maybe they want their credit rating to be like some cheeses.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 8:52pm.
Moldy and with an unpleasant odor?
Didn't realize...
Submitted by Rukus on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 4:27am.
That Bob Beckle was a guitar player! I'm impressed! lol!
Wait for it... Bob on guitar... lol!