Open Thread: GOP Won't Take Back Senate?
Today's starter topic: Will the GOP take the Senate this fall? National Review blogger Jim Geraghty thinks that prospect is not as certain as previously thought:
A Republican-controlled Senate in 2012 looks less likely than it did a few weeks ago, but the prospect for GOP gains is still quite solid.
Of the 33 Senate seats up for grabs this cycle, seven are occupied by Democrats or Democrat-leaning independents who are not seeking reelection, three are occupied by Republicans who are not seeking reelection, 16 are occupied by Democrats seeking reelection, and seven are occupied by Republicans seeking reelection. This is the class of senators last elected in 2006, a midterm election that almost could not have gone worse for the GOP.
A few recent developments may indicate good news for Republicans, however. Last week the House voted to repeal the IPAB portion of Obamacare, a 15-member panel that will, beginning in the 2015 fiscal year, make binding recommendations for cost-cutting in Medicare treatment. This is the potentially care-denying, unelected authority that some Republicans characterize as “death panels.” Four House Democrats running for the Senate this cycle — Shelley Berkley of Nevada, Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico, and Joe Donnelly of Indiana — all voted in support of IPAB. On paper, this represented a risk-free way for these Democrats to distance themselves from one of Obamacare’s more controversial provisions; instead, all four doubled down in support of the least popular part of the law.
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➚ Fortunately
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:24am.
Fortunately, the Obama Administration has approved the stationing of New Black Panther members wielding nightsticks at polling places.
Good.
Submitted by GregE on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 8:43pm.
Let em.
Budget
Submitted by Fredy on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:27am.
Anyone that thinks the Democrats can run on NOT passing a budget in 4 years is kidding only themselves. The real question is how much better will the new Republicans be?
Budget
Submitted by bmac32 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:46pm.
Any budget would be better!
This is the year, The issues
Submitted by williars on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:31am.
This is the year, The issues and the reign of Obama have given Republicans their best opportunity to take back the Senate. Of course the individual races will be decided by the choice of Republican candidate and the State electorate so it's not a sure thing. If the national Republican establishment, as in Indiana, continues to support dead people like Lugar our chances diminish, and it might take another cycle for real change. The Senate is not the House. But I think the groundswell in favor of conservative/libertarian candidates and policies is unstoppable.
- Randy
If they should be fortunate enough to win, ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:36am.
... I hope they will pick new leadership with actual cojones.
Even if they DON"T win control, it is time to get rid of the pathetic "leaders" they have.
Amen!
Submitted by almostacowboy on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:32pm.
Bubba!
Poor analysis
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:40am.
I don't know why certain bloggers are constantly "warning" us about our fate in the November election; maybe they're just trying to keep us energized or scare us into a large turnout, but the only way we don't retake the Senate and the White House, and expand in the House, is if the GOP leadership on all fronts is either woefully incompetent or are in actuality Democratic operatives.
Two messages over and over again should be enough- Obamacare was an unconstitutional power grab meant to take away your personal freedom, and after four years of Obama and six years of Harry Reid, we're at 15 trillion in debt and 8.5% unemployment.
If we lose knowing this, we deserve it.
~Woefully incompetent..
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:46am.
..Definitely.
Democratic operatives...I wonder.
Seriously.
Don't know if they are actual Democrat operatives, Bru, ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:59am.
... but they are definitely Reid's "bitches."
I'll bet you a pond full of algae that they have already cut deals to insure their own survivability regardless of the results of the election.
~Anyone willing to work hand-in-glove with Dems
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:08pm.
like most of the establishment Repubs seem to be, is a Dem operative in all but name. *sigh*
BK & Bru~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:34pm.
I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking infiltration of communist conspirators. LOL.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Many people have been awakened
Submitted by c5then on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:53am.
to the results that we see when the liberal democrats are virtually un-restrained. We get Obamacare and no budgets. We get stimulus bills that fail to stimulate anything except the bank accounts of democrat doners. We get a very liberal President who shows open contempt for the Constitution. We get a government picking and choosing which private companies to help out and which to let fail. We get a government trying to force technology down the country's throat that isn't yet ready for the mainstream. And, more importantly, we get a country hoplessly mired in a long drawn out recession (shades of the 1930's) while our freedom and liberty are taken away in the name of "fixing" the economy.
I suspect that there will be many more people who educate themselves before election day. But almost as important, there are a whole group of people, that are more likely to vote for the (R) than ever before just because of their anger, dispair and disgust for the (D)'s.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Renovated Pyongyang Cornstarch Factory Comes on Line
Submitted by celator on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:01pm.
In other world news, the renovated Pyongyang Cornstarch Factory has comes on line in North Korea. We've been waiting for this news a long time, according to the North Korean press.
According to the story: "The renovation helps lay a solid foundation for supplying the Pyongyang citizens with quality confectionery." World peace is not far behind.
"Present there were Choe Yong Rim, premier of the Cabinet, Mun Kyong Dok, chief secretary of the Pyongyang City Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea who doubles as secretary of the WPK Central Committee, and officials concerned."
Now here's government approved news writing at its best. MSM, pay attention!
Just to lighten up the day ;+}
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
And why should the Republicans win the Senate . . .
Submitted by Gary Hall on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:08pm.
And why should the Republicans win the Senate . . .
After all, they're not capable in getting the word out to the voters, that:
It was the housing bubble envisioned, created, regulated, and fueled by Clinton, HUD Sec. Andrew Cuomo, and the left-wing caucus that led to the great collapse, in 2008, and resultant recession . .
. . . and that Senator Obama, in late 2007, is on record in supporting that effort.
The main cause of the disappearance of the Clinton era surpluses, and the quick return to massive deficits, was the collapse of dot.com bubble (the Enron bubble), in March, 2000, not the Bush tax stimulus of 2001 and 2003.
That a majority of the public opposed the Obama stimulus plan, as well as hundreds of leading economists.
That a strong majority of Americans have consistently opposed ObamaCare.
That a super majority of Americans supported the details of the Arizona immigration enforcement bill, and that only a tiny minority support Obama's immigration agenda (namely the national media and the radical left).
That Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority leader Harry Reid, have prevented us from having a national budget in place for the past 3 years - since Obama was President.
That the national media has no interest in asking President Obama about that last item there - 'why he says nothing to the nation, here.'
That a strong majority of Americans want a smaller government, doing less, and costing less.
That it was President Obama who refused to endorse - even mention - his own Simpson/Bowles Debt Commission recommendations; even as S & P was warning him [us] of a pending downgrade in our debt rating.
. . . and they did.
To the Senate Republicans, RNC, etc: Folks, you'd better invoke the Gingrich principal - and speak; the national media is not inclined to defend you on your widely held and populist views.
(;~/ gary
Conservatism on the rise
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:13pm.
It may be debatable whether holding onto nothing is a disaster. The money for government is gone. I live in Illinois and next door is Wisconsin. Two different states and two different parties. Wisconsin's Republican governor is facing recall because the dems/unions are using necessary budget cuts to their political advantage while in Illinois the democrat governor who is making hurtful cuts to the disabled, schools, local governments and cuts to union held positions but is only facing grumbling by the dem powers and the media.
So it may be a real question as to whether we let obama parachute off of a crashing plane while the Republicans are blamed for the crash that is going to happen. As for me I'm glad that a dem governor is in control of my state and must face the hard facts of life.
Yes I know obama as President can do a lot more damage to this country but the next four years will not be pretty for whoever is President.
Democrats don't have to worry
Submitted by oldfart on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:15pm.
All the dead people in the major city grave yards have given notification that they will note the straight "D" party ticket in November.
Gary ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:16pm.
So true; and so damn maddening.
MD
Soros is going to have to take a HUGE HAIRCUT
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:16pm.
If Bam-Bam the Wrecker wants a 2nd term, Soros will have to buy it, because that ol' black magic is GONE.
The only way Obama could stop a LANDSLIDE is for Soros to BUY IT. Absent that, it's GOP ALL THE WAY.
I don't think ANYBODY has ANY IDEA HOW PISSED OFF WE ALL ARE - LEFT & RIGHT.
I just can't wait to tune into the funeral march on MSNBC the morning after...
Tee hee hee...
Boy, Annie.............that
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:27pm.
Boy, Annie.............that 'ol' black magic' comment is about as 'racist' and 'bigoted' and 'intolerant' as anything I have heard or read in quite some time. And I'm quite proud of you for sayin' it!!!!! ....................although I never thought it was 'magic'.....I had a much more scatalogical word for it.
A "scatological word?"
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:35pm.
You're Shiite'n me, right?
... and I agree. Annie is DEFINITELY a racist now.
2012 senate
Submitted by studentofeib on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:23pm.
They are in a dream land. Go check out the individual races, its over. I predict a flip flop. repubs 53 dems 47. They have to know this, the dems challenge is holding on to as many seats, they have already lost a few. Fraud is the only way they can keep the senate, and even that will be a challenge.
I think that Dick Morris was
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:34pm.
I think that Dick Morris was saying the same thing. That was with Scott Brown losing to Warren.
Not if Romney is the nominee
Submitted by UncleDirtNap on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:32pm.
Hear me now, believe me later. If Mitt Romney is the nominee as it appears is inevitable not only will the GOP NOT take back the Senate they will lose the House in a landslide as well.
The GOP establishment is in for a horrifically rude awakening this November when they see how many people stay home in rejection of a Romney/anybody ticket.
Every single person I know who talks about politics is of the same mind as I and we are not going to bother casting a vote for the gun grabbing, tax raising, Constitution trampling Republican Marxist over the Democrats' version of the same. Some of us will make what I expect will ultimately futile attempt to vote for acceptable House and Senate candidates while skipping the vote for the top of the ticket but most are just not even going to bother to show up.
The GOP is in for a historic butt kicking with Romney at the top of the ticket, just no way around it.
I can't agree, Unc.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:44pm.
I am just a little to the right of Attila the Hun, and i have seen only one Republican who totally pleased me since Jesse Helms (praise God) died. That was the darkest day of my life.
If Romney is the nominee, I will drag my ass off my barstool and go vote a straight Republican ticket, just like I did for (hee, hee, hee) John McCain. As I've said a thousand times, if Elmer Fudd is the nominee, I'll vote for him, the wascal!
Better a moderate Marxist than a radical rat bastard Fascist son of a bitch MARXIST!!
Any person, ANY PERSON who won't vote for the alternative to the RBFSOB, regardless of who it is, may as well just OD on Kool Aid of their own choice.
Truth be known, I'd vote for Rootin' Tootin" Putin before Obama. At least Putin knows how to run a communist state. Obama would screw THAT up.
That would be Rootin' Tootin'
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 1:46pm.
That would be Rootin' Tootin' High Falootin' Freedom Lootin' Jack Bootin' Putin, Attilla....................and if you're going to be Attilla, then I'm going to be Genghis - except that I know how to pronounce it!!!
Gin-giss was da man, Killa.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:07pm.
There was a guy who knew how to make you an offer that you couldn't refuse.
The Chinese are just now beginning to recover from the ice whupping that he put on them way back when.
Too bad that we don't have a president like him around now, The Chinese would only have one thing to say; "Yes, sir!"
Hey, Attilla, I've given it
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:18pm.
Hey, Attilla, I've given it some more thought this morning, while I was counting CMU blocks, rebar, figuring out how many yards of concrete I needed, making phone calls, and keeping 'da boyz' busy.....and I've expanded on something that you started:
It's Rootin, Tootin', High-Falootin', Jack Bootin', Freedom-Lootin', Gun Shootin', River Pollutin', Zoot-Suitin' Vladimar Putin!!!!
Aloha for now,
Genghis
Oh, and you're right - Vlad the Impaler DOES know how to run a communist country, and he's a man's man. Baraka the Inhaler screws up everything he tries, and he's a woosy-assed girlie man.
Ham Sammich beats Obama
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:43pm.
ABO 2012.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Yup
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 1:35pm.
All day long.
I, on the other hand never
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:05pm.
I, on the other hand never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter and the deviousness of the media. It is going to be a hard fight that we, the people, might not win.
Your Friends?
Submitted by bmac32 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 1:08pm.
The three blind mice? After the job the Democrats of no budget, cramming laws through that no one what's, no pipe line, out law coal, lying over and over to the people, making backroom deals with Russia I'd say you boy is in big trouble.
Small case in point: Nelson in Florida was shown to have a commanding lead only to see that lead disappear over the last month. Looking around the country I see 7 or 8 Democrats that could well fail even though they are trying to put distance between themselves and boy wonder.
Attention Ginko users:
Submitted by Kawliga on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:37pm.
The first and only pundit that correctly predicted the republican take over in the House in 2010 was Dick Morris. You may not like him, but he is now predicting a sweep of the Senate in 2012. Morris has a real good track record compared to other seers of the body politic.
As a few others have pointed
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:48pm.
As a few others have pointed out, we need to have the GOP leaders actually point out the problems with Obama and be forceful about it. Take no prisoners, make like a Gingrich. But as history has shown we have more whimps and shemps than heroes in the GOP. It might be another McLame shellacking.
This could be an easy win for
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:53pm.
This could be an easy win for the GOP but the RNC can't find enough RINOs to fill the seats. One only needs to slam illegal immigration and jobs to win, too much of a challenge for the RNC.
Something to consider
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 1:53pm.
The last time we had a contested primary with a running incumbent was before NewsBusters existed. That would have been 2004. The last time we had a contested GOP primary with a running incumbent Democrat President was 1996. What we're witnessing is the GOP primary race playing out in all it's nastiness, while the Democratic president who is loved by the media uses his bully-pulpit to blast Republicans in front of adoring, paying crowds. There couldn't be any more of a one-sided condition than we're experiencing now.
How many of us were political junkies and this in tune with what's going on 16 years ago? My guess is very few. So a lot of us are experiencing this seemingly debilitating process play out for the first time. We'll recover. And we'll recover quickly and unify completely around the GOP nominee and we'll put the country back on the path envisioned by the framers.
It's either that or more of the same but with greater emphasis; only the truly misguided would vote for their own punishment. Obama loses in a landslide.
The folks woke up in the land of OZ...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:01pm.
'It's clear tonight that the people of Queensland have spoken with the strongest possible voice and they have voted for a change of government,' she told supporters.
Labor will struggle form an effective opposition after the Liberal National Party sent it to the slaughter after almost 20 years of rule in Queensland.
Campbell Newman will be the next premier, with the LNP expected to have a staggering 74 seats in the 89-seat parliament.
March 24, 2012, will be remembered as the day the electorate delivered a decisive, devastating blow to an incumbent Labor government.
Welcome back from the dark side.. It can happen here/ hopefully..
Shelley Berkley of Nevada will win. Thankx to the business placement of the spawn of whorehouse Harrie..
You Didn't Build That.
Mooch asking kids to campaign for DUH WON
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:04pm.
This could be their campaign video
http://moonbattery.com/?p=10003
Biden slips up and tells the truth!
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:15pm.
Yesterday on the CBS talking head show with the sinile old man Biden goofed up. He made reference to the 4 billion in TAX BREAKS that oil companies get. For I don't know how long Commiecrats have referenced to them as subsides. They make it sound like 4 billion a year is handed to the oil companies from the treasury. Biden is the first to actually call them what they are, tax breaks; breaks that about any business in this country can get.
And aren't some of those tax breaks
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:59pm.
based on alternative energy research? Obama is only interested in alternative energy when it's produced by campaign donors.
I don't know but I don't
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:36pm.
I don't know but I don't think "BIG OIL" will be giving him any money.
If Wall Street gives him any money
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 8:53pm.
they are incredible fools.
Given the pathetic performance on the part of the House repubs..
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:38pm.
...over the last sixteen months, during which they have done less than nothing to put the brakes on the "progress" of the Dear Ruler's hideous Obamunism, does it really matter if they take the Senate in November?
I mean, if all they are going to do is bend over backward to rubberstamp whatever Obama wants, like they have done over in the House, then what good are they?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Agreed Dave
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:58pm.
I'm not voting for my current representative. Time for a change. Again.
Sigh.
congress?
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:49pm.
We still have a congress?
I thought they had become just something to read about in history books.
Mid~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:56pm.
Oh, and they are supposed to represent us -- not run around making sure they can keep their ineffective positions. Shocking, huh?
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
ever vigilant
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:19pm.
Congressmen have each others backs and are always on the lookout for danger to the group....
http://www.safaris-in-namibia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/meercat.jpg
Anyone catch Obama's afternoon dig at the Supremes?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 2:54pm.
He said essentially that they should consider the human cost in the mandate, and something about an unelected body having the power to undo a law that was made by the democratically elected majority.
Well, for a Constitutional "professor" (really just a guest speaker), he seems to forget the blindfolded lady. They aren't supposed to consider anything BUT the Constitution, that charter of negatives.
And if he feels that way about the unelected body I guess he's saying Brown vs. The Board of Education and other such decisions were wrong.
The GOP really has to start putting some ads together using just Obama's own words.
Rad~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:02pm.
That almost gives me a tingly feeling. Nervous, anyone?
AND how utterly disrespectful and condescending of him.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
What he said
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:20pm.
Did you see where he almost slipped saying "this will be over-----will be upheld" during this thing? He nearly said he was confident the ACA would be overturned.
-Jon
Rad,
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:19pm.
here's the vid.
Here's another one; same site, different topic. This one for the comedic value.
And here's a third. Also a different topic. I like how ABC scoops their big scoop.
The way he carries on
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:48pm.
The way he's going on like he was, why aren't more people getting scared and chilled by his words and actions? I'm surprised no one asked about Keystone as well either unless it wasn't broadcast or was missed.
Either way, if people aren't getting nervous by DuhOne's actions, they are woefully ignorant and dumb. But this is yet one of the best examples of Comrade Dictator in Chief for all to see.
-Jon
Jon
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:00pm.
In my opinion we now have a society who believe in Santa Claus, only Santa is Uncle Sam and Christmas is every day. In agrarian societies there is no one to look to for wealth but God and hard work. Now unions convince their members that by working eight hours a day and not risking their own capital they are entitled to more than a wage. The workers are entitled to the lions share, if not all, of the profits. The government has encouraged people to think every wrong will be righted and fundametal rights are not basic freedoms, but basic handouts.
Not a happy camper today.
Why, Jon?
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:06pm.
My guess is because the most difficult question he's ever had to answer since the time he announced his candidacy in 2007 is: "Mr. President? How great is it to be you?"
But that's about to change.
Bk
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:54pm.
He's so hard to listen to with his "uuhs". Anyway, regardless of the number of the judges, lawyers, and law professors who agree with Obama (or disagree for that matter) it really doesn't matter. What matters is how these nine decide. I imagine some (like Scalia) won't take well to his advising them this way.
Rad
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:04pm.
It's kind of like him saying, "Hey you f'n prix, you pos scumbag neanderthals, please see it my way, okay?"
Bk
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:10pm.
Yup, without the please.
The full story
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 3:32pm.
This morning I posted on another thread about an armed robbery at a convience store in Farmville, NC. about 30 miles from here, where 3 people were murdered. Two of the killers where wearing hoodies. The names have been released of the victims. It appears these were Indian name but can't be sure. One was a HS student. Wonder if we'll hear anything about this from the unreverend Al and Jesse? This was a hate crime in my book.
http://www.reflector.com/crimerescue/three-dead-convenience-store-shooti...
Thoughts on murder and mayhem...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:17pm.
I've been thinking about the desirability of municipal ordinances or even state legislation which would require any customer or potential customer to remove all head covering--except that which is worn for recognized religious reasons--upon entering a retail establishment.
It would facilitate IDing by security cameras, and a failure to comply would at least alert the proprietor or clerks to the possible malevolent intent of the individual(s) in question.
Of course I also favor universal DNA sampling. I know that notion drives the ACLU crowd and conservative libertarians nuts, but it would without question serve as an invaluable aid in crime prevention and crime solving, and save many lives.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:19pm.
Apparently you haven't been thinking about continuing our conversation from, when? Saturday? ;-/
Yes I have, bk...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:25pm.
I had unexpected company last night. But since then I've spent a couple of hours reviewing your links, including much of the material at the website you linked, studied the maps, printed out a bunch of stuff, and listened to the 911 tape 7 or 8 times. I'm not going anywhere and neither is this case for awhile. Hang on.
Jer
Okie dokie
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:32pm.
Give me some heads up when you get around to responding. That thread is dropping further and further on my "track" page and I could miss it if another day or so passes. No pressure, I'm just curious to how you'll respond given the number of dots not being connected by the media and how that can sway public opinion; especially when there is information available that's being ignored.
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:25pm.
I said on some other threads, a local bank has a sign on the door requesting patrons to remove sunglasses and lower (correct terminology?) before entering citing robbery statistics of bank robbers wearing shades and hoodies.
DNA registration? Not on your life! In addition to crime solving it contains more of my health data than the government has a right to.
There's always been a balancing of interests, Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:42pm.
between public safety and personal liberty. I certainly don't want to live in a police state, but a comprehensive national DNA data source would be of immense value in reducing crime. I'm sick and tired of murderers being on the streets who could and should be behind bars. It's a trade-off I'm willing to make. I was fingerprinted for the military and I've never felt for one second that it was over-invasive, too intrusive, or gave the government too much information about me.
Jer
The military is different
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:50pm.
The purpose would be to identify a soldier if he was unrecognizable. Also, we no longer have a draft. When you volunteer to join you are agreeing to their rules. The fact that I live here and have not committed a crime does NOT entitle the government to have my fingerprints or my DNA. It's (to me anyway) the equivalent of the government being able to tap my phones without a warrant just in case I committ a crime.
I don't like criminals not receiving justice, but not at the cost of my privacy.
I understand the primary reason for the military, Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:30pm.
but it's not as if my records were destroyed after I was discharged thirty-five years ago. However, I've never felt threatened or vulnerable as a result.
Look, I appreciate your position on the issue. The ACLU would love to have you as a member. I don't like murderers. But I would rather catch their sorry asses and put them under the jail with the help of DNA profiles, rather than having a 24/7 police roadblock set up on every street in America.
BTW...health insurance carriers know more about your medical history than even you know, and, in some cases, will terminate your coverage because of it. Under ObamaCare, they wouldn't have that option. In case you're interested.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 7:42pm.
Another issue to agree to disagree on. But the thing about the DNA profile is that it would be done, BEFORE, not after a crime. That's a huge problem for me. But I don't deal with murderer's in my everyday life, and as a lawyer, you might, or have friends that do and I get that.
Yes, I know the evil insurance companies can drop me at any time. Couldn't that be fixed with a law stating something to the effect that once the contract is issued it cannot be cancelled unless there is proof, through testing, that the insured had a condition not revealed to the insurance company?
One of my biggest pet peeves is the information given to insurance companies regarding prescription meds. Here in PA they can look up what I take, and what each doctor in PA prescribes and how much. That bothers me a lot.
Oh, if only I was in charge of the world...
In Central America
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:09pm.
The banks ALL have armed guards in the lobby, and you MUST remove your hat & sunglasses, else you don't get through the inner door of the atrium.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Found out late yesterday they
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:16am.
Found out late yesterday they were all from Yemen.
AP invents new word: "Obasm"
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:20pm.
This is going to be epic.
Taking Photoshop ideas/requests...
Hey Jer? (And other number lovers)
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:46pm.
Here's an interesting one: As of Q4/2011, the US Federal Debt was $1.32 per square yard (of the US land area). That's 3 feet by 3 feet, for the geometry-challenged.
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Why that's less than 15 cents a sq. foot...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 4:58pm.
That's not so bad. I've got that much in my pocket right now.
Jer
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Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:05pm.
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Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:04pm.
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Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:05pm.
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Geez...sorry about the quintuple posting
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:07pm.
Kept getting "page unavailable" message.
Jer
bk, Need to substract the area of fed lands, kuz they pay no tax
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:29pm.
Yea, wonder what is the area of private property, now existing in America?
Private property is growing smaller every single day, an endangered idea..
You Didn't Build That.
➚ Juan Williams - back to hatemonger
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 5:09pm.
Juan Williams "The Five" just told Eric Bolling if he didn't like America, he should get out.
Obama campaign using questionable donation tactics again
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 8:23pm.
H/T HotAir. It seems you can donate on barackobama.com with a credit card without having to provide the 3-digit code on the back of the credit card, nor do you have to provide the same name or address listed with the credit card.
I guess when you're desperate for money, you'll take it any way yo can get it.
BK
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/02/2012 - 8:59pm.
I think we all better start watching our credit card bills VERY carefully.
A little pet peeve, when I clicked on the link there was a picture of the Obama family and the saying "Help the Obama Family Stand Up for Working Americans". Well if they want to keep the girls out of the limelight, then keep them out of the limelight. This guy wants everything both ways.