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By NB Staff | January 31, 2012 | 22:48
Mitt Romney wins big tonight in Florida. Use this thread to catch media bias reports on the night or make your own comments.
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:16pm.
Not only did Mitt run away with it....Allen West was effectively redistricted out of Florida 22. And he's going to change districts to Florida 16. I don't have the words.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:18pm.
I can imagine you want to keep that seat conservative and Republican!
And Allen Grayson if you are lurking: Bite Me.
Submitted by bigdaddy on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:23pm.
...In the same state. How in the "H-E-Double Hockey Sticks" does that happen? Cruel and Unusual Punishment Indeed.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:29pm.
In psychiatry, we called this "mendacious personality disorder" back in the day. Everyone else calls it "habitual lying".
L'il Deb's district needs to boot her skanky, dishonest butt out so hard she'll need to see a colorectal surgeon to get the footwear removed.
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:27pm.
I posted it somewhere. He was on Hannity a little bit ago and said the old district was redrawn to D+6 or 7 and the new one, 22, is more like the old one, D+1. (I wouldn't be surprised to see him offered the VP slot though.)
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:35pm.
West as VP? Can you imagine the look at Harry Reid's face when he broke the tie in the Senate and told Harry where to stick it? Would pay money to see that!
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:55pm.
That's exactly my thought.
He'll be our next Vice President. Which makes me happy. Losing him as my Congressman, not so much.
The one other thing I want to point out to everyone here.....Florida 22 had been held by 4 years by Ron Klein, a Pelosi lapdog on a par with Little Debs.....but prior to that, had been held by a fine Republican, Rep. E. Clay Shaw. So when you read in the media about it, keep that in mind.
We weren't always liberal cretins in Broward County. That happened when the New Yawkas moved here.
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 6:12pm.
When I first read the name I thought of Clay Shaw from New Orleans and then that mendacious Oliver Stone fantasy drama JFK.
Definitely NOT the same Clay Shaw's.
Submitted by The_Barrel_Guy on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:35am.
An unbelievably disappointing day... Have we reached the point that we need to consider voting for Obama?
Hear me out...
If Romney is our nominee who wins the presidency and we hold the House and win back the Senate, the GOP eunuchs that lead each house will be encouraged on the basis of party loyalty to support whatever the Republican president proposes... Most of that will be liberal garbage... On the other hand, if we hold the house, win the senate and Obama remains in the White House, his proposals can be effectively chopped off...
I REALLY want your thoughtful comments on this... I am well north of 70; have NEVER voted for a democrat and will welcome constructive arguments that reverse what I have laid out above...
May our Gracious God bless you all
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:00am.
be of some comfort to you and other conservatives.
Although most presidents once in office tack toward and govern from the center, there will be strong motivations and irresistible pressures for Romney to prove his conservative bona fides to a skeptical base. It would be politically suicidal for him to flop back on issues where he had previously flipped to the right. There will also be a compelling impetus to take high-profile anti-Obama positions, i.e. whatever the publicly rejected Obama was for, Romney will be against.
One possibility which could throw a wrench into that scenario would be a widespread public demand to end the Washington gridlock, and to do so Romney would be required to make concessions to Congressional Democrats who might not be so amenable to the idea of giving up much ground after what they at least perceived as relentless Republican intransigence over the past four years.
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 8:03pm.
I looked very closely at your post; even held it to a mirror in order to check for hidden or code words.
I found absolutely nothing to complain about.
The statement " -- after what they at least perceived as relentless Republican intransigence --" (bold mine) - is an instance that shows you to be more fair minded than I usually give you credit for being.
That said, it is now back to business as usual. :o)
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 8:19pm.
Honesty forces the--less than startling--admissions that a.) GOP intransigence has been my perception as well, and b.) such perception, however, is very susceptible to being shaped through the lens of political bias.
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:50pm.
Under no circumstances would I vote for Barack Obama. None. Zero. Nada.
I understand the fear people have about Romney. I understand that people believe him to be a RINO, and lacking in conviction. And to some degree that may be true. But I would caution people who are concerned about supporting him if he wins the nomination -which appears almost a foregone conclusion at this point.
All-in-all, Romney will be forced to act on what the Congress sends him. Actually, so too will Obama if he somehow wins this thing. It is important that we concentrate on the House and Senate, and voter turnout will be key, and that's where I think the only major decision left for Romney is his selection of VP- which, like in '08, will be crucial in drawing out GOP voters. My guess is, Romney will govern well right of center, particularly from a fiscal viewpoint, and he won't have a lot of opportunity for the moderate-Mitt to emerge. Personally, I'd rather see Rick Santorum given the remaining candidates, but anyone-but-Obama is still the way to go.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:18pm.
While I don't agree completely about Santorum, I'm with you on the rest. I've said this so many times, and I'll say it again...Am I happy with this slate of candidates? No. Do I think that Romney is likely to be the nominee? Yes. Am I thrilled about that? No...I'm not thrilled with any of these candidates. But, and here's what's most important, at least to me...Do I think that Romney has the best chance of any of these candidates to beat Obama? Yes, and as far as I'm concerned, at this point in the process, that is what is most important. I wish we had a strong, conservative, Reaganesque candidate that would be acceptable not only to the right but also to the Independents, who, like it or not are crucial to beating Obama, but the fact is, we don't. Given that realization, the most important thing for me is to get Obama out of the White House, and I believe that Romney has the best chance to do that, and like you, I think that if he does win, he will govern right of center, out of necessity, in order to stay in office. We'll see what happens.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:32pm.
We can't always get what we want but have to settle for the best we can get.
Obama could pass for Lucifer's twin brother.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 4:08pm.
very sad, and I'm afraid we are in exactly that situation right now.
Submitted by countryfirst on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 8:09pm.
I totally agree and said the same thing on ann coulter site, very disappointed that florida voted romney in, our only hope now is a third party
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 8:14pm.
a third party candidate, ANY third party candidate, actually has a chance in hell of beating Obama???
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 8:20pm.
And I only need to say "Shades of Ross Perot!" I remember how well that worked out.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 8:28pm.
And if there were to be a third party candidate in this election, it would guarantee another 4 years of Obamessiah...Thanks, but I'll pass.
This "third party candidate" bs is just that...bs.
Submitted by bigdaddy on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 11:49pm.
...and, once again, let Holocaust Survivors eat kosher...
A bit too far Newter.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:15pm.
Gingrich has a habit of saying and doing things like this when his back is against the wall and/or he has just lost...He tends to become a whiny, petulant child and acts like one.
Submitted by rgallegos on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:04am.
I nearly kicked my TV when I heard Maddow saying Newt's comments about an entertainer in chief was racist. In all my years, I have never heard anything dumber than those comments.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 7:39am.
Well, it appears that Romney's going to be the GOP nominee if the news has anything to do with it, and it appears they will. Bunch of unholy bastards.
I see this as a problem for a number of reasons, but once again, I blame the American people for the situation we are in, which is in a country in its death throes as a free country, no thanks to the RBFPOSSOB that we have in the WH. But face facts, there's been a lot of stupid decisions made on people being elected and this country has become the vision of that prophetic movie, Idiocracy. And it's not just idiotic about him, but about the Muslim we have in the WH, and what a GREAT danger he will be if he's re-elected, if history is to be our teacher. Unfortunately, the American people as students of history would receive a failing grade.
So the reasons I have: quite frankly a lot of people just do not like Romney, despite him apparently winning the primaries and etc. His background is questionable at best, especially where his advisors were involved in ObeymeCare of the nation as a whole versus the local state issue of that wacky state known as Massachusetts. I personally would not trust Romney to do the right things for this country, I see him taking similar actions to that of Scott Brown, Senator who took Kennedy's place. However, I would trust him a lot more than the current dictatorship we have in office. The problem is, like many of us on here, we KNOW we have a dictator in office. But in "mainstream" circles, people don't see him as a dictator, despite his actions being pointed out as in violation of the Constitution. I don't say his "many actions" or "some of his actions," I mean ALL his actions.
So when it comes down to it, Romney's going to get a public whipping that's going to make McCain's public whipping of 2008 look like friendly party, once the race gets going. He's got way too many skeletons to come out. What remains to be seen is how he will handle it. If this country has any chance, people need to see what a danger this country is in with the current occupant of the WH, that he's deliberately destroying this country(ain't no trying anymore), and will bring about dark days that will make the depression look like the golden age. I don't see Romney being able to get that message out, or even trying to get that message out.
So now that it appears all but certain what's going to happen in this country, I've been working on trying to "get my house in order." After everything we've seen, I got a bad feeling things will not get any better. I don't know what will happen if Romney is elected in office, but I DO know what will happen if we get 4 more years of Soetoro and that's this country WILL be absolutely screwed. It's already there anyway, but even then there's still a slim chance to recover if he's kicked to the curb. In the meantime, been trying to take care of some small debts(thank God I don't have any big ones anymore) in the next couple of months, trying to make whatever preparations for the worst than I can with some friends, and just not making any big plans that will cost a lot of money. Yeah, I know, it's similar to that of someone making deathbed plans, except I'm talking about this country being in its deathbed even though the cure is available.
Quite frankly, I'm really not sure what else to do at this point, I just hope like hell the American people as a whole will do the right thing and save this country somehow.
I'm not holding my breath.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 12:20pm.
Mitt Romney's plastic and philosophically vapid campaign secured an easy victory in Florida on Tuesday night. Sunshine state GOP voters swallowed his "electability" argument whole, according to the exit polls.
It appears that country club Republicans have succeeded again in duping the GOP electorate into crowning a "centrist" Republican. Never mind that "centrist" Republicans rarely win the center. They usually lose the center while sapping the spirit of the party's conservative base.
Out of Bob Dole's and John McCain's tattered Big Tent steps another "reformed" RINO, Mitt Romney, who will receive, should he win the nomination, a similar thumping from the Democrats.
...and it ends with this:
Almost two years after energy from the Tea Party swept Republicans back into congressional power, a politician who embodies the antithesis of that spirit stands on the verge of victory. This is regress, not progress, and the GOP will pay a severe price for the Faustian bargain of "electability" that it entails. A party that chooses power over principle will lose both.
Personally, I stand with principle over power and intend to vote that way.
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 9:51am.
This is definitely an interesting race in the GOP. I pray it will come down to the wire at the GOP convention. I can see Romney getting close to half and the rest divided among Gingrich, Santorum and Paul. Then if they are smart they will decide who will be the nominee will be. I see Gingrich getting twice what Paul and Santorum will get combined.
I dont know i I can hold my nose tight enough to vote for Romney, even if the alternative is Obama.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 12:21pm.
hold my nose tight enough to vote for Romney
...this might stop you from voting for him:
Romney's connection to Saul Alinsky
“The progressive Alinsky is infamous and actually toxic on the right,” Riehl wrote. “George Romney’s endorsement of him, coupled with his acknowledged strong influence on son Mitt, will do little to assure suspicious conservatives concerned about Mitt Romney’s record as a progressive, including his introduction of Romneycare in Massachusetts.”
...McRomney may be a bit farther to the left than many expect.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 12:57pm.
He might be further to the left, but would he become a dictator like the current one in the WH? I kinda have a hard time seeing that.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 12:59pm.
Couldn't agree more.
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:53pm.
anything published by WND. I suppose it's blinders and not burkas they're wearing over there, but whichever, they are really narrow in focus. Farah was on Hannity last night saying Rubio is ineligible for the VP slot because he's not a natural-born citizen. At some point this stuff has to end. Taints their whole message.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:28pm.
with Jon's point about Romney possibly being a bit further to the left than the other candidates, but that he would not be dictatorial like Obama has been.
And, I share your concerns about WND...They're pretty far out there.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:57pm.
At this point, and I had brought this up a while back, but I would be happy to get someone like Clinton back. When I brought it up on one of our chats, the reaction I got from that statement was a bit amusing until I pointed out that it would be better than the situation we find ourselves now.
Soetoro has the distinction of being worse than Jimmuh and that's saying something. But we've never actually had a president of either side except for Nixon who claimed he didn't need Congress, but that guy resigned before impeachment charges could be leveled at him, and they almost were. In this case though, Soetoro's said it repeatedly and that's more than sufficient for impeachment charges alone, nevermind the other stuff he's done which are just as bad if not worse. But the situation gets compounded by a weak and ineffectual leadership on the part of the House Speaker and the cronyism of the Senate Majority leader(who pulled another shenanigan essentially rendering the Senate useless unless it favors the Muslim in Chief) who refuse or won't do the right thing.
So it's not just a dictator that needs to be deposed, it's the Congress that needs to be upended into a lake and start anew.
Put bluntly, we ARE in a dictatorship. And if this dictator gets re-elected somehow, I expect bad things to happen, especially with the NDAA being utlized to full effect as well as variations of the SOPA and people will start to disappear a la Iran.
The candidates (and former) who say that this is the most important election in our lifetimes aren't exaggerating. It could very well be the last.
God help us.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:19pm.
I read a lot in this thread about Romney may be "more moderate than conservatives want", "had to be to win governor in MA", best chance to win against Obama... blah, blah, blah
Obama is as far left as we have had for years. He is no more moderate than Romney is conservative.
Moderates shy away from the most extreme, so with Obama way out to the left, the GOP has an opportunity to place a real conservative in the Whitehouse getting full support of conservatives and more than enough of the moderates to win.
Almost two years after energy from the Tea Party swept Republicans back into congressional power, a politician (Romney) who embodies the antithesis of that spirit stands on the verge of victory. This is regress, not progress, and the GOP will pay a severe price for the Faustian bargain of "electability" that it entails. A party that chooses power over principle will lose both.
The 'fat lady' is not even in the building yet (only 4% of GOP delegates decided so far), so let's not let the msm decide for us. Principle over power, let's not fall victim to "electability"...
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:38pm.
but you're forgetting that Obama's bully pulpit and ridiculous vote-buying schemes will make him look moderate. Obama's not going to run as a far leftist, just as he didn't in '08. He's lost a lot of Independents in the last 3 years but he'd get them back against a GOP candidate that is painted as a far-right extremist; something even MSNBC can't do effectively to Romney.
The all-or-nothing approach usually results in nothing. This is why we must be patient and take incremental steps. It's why Ron Paul could never win. Again, I'm not a Romney supporter, but I'm also not suicidal.
Now back to the better-written comments.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 4:20pm.
Again, I'm not a Romney supporter, but I'm also not suicidal.
But I believe Rmoney (typed this by mistake, but now seems fitting) will be suicidal:
Florida Primary: Mitt Romney’s Gender Gap -
Newt’s adulterous history may have caught up with him in Florida, as women sided with Romney by a large margin... And in a pretty clear sign that Newt Gingrich’s personal baggage—admitted affairs and three wives—had caught up with him, women rejected him in Florida by a large margin. Only 29 percent of women supported him.
If this is the case and women (last I knew were 50%+ the voter base) will take these issues into account, wait until the media pounces on Mitt's religion and the positions that women take to be part of it.
Because of NB's policy on religion, I will not expand on this BUT the msm will... and you can research it for yourselves.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 4:21pm.
Conservatives want a strong conservative candidate, ala President Reagan, that would have the support of the right and the Independents, but the sad truth is we are not going to get what we want in this primary election, quite honestly because no one even close to that is running. Like you, I'm not particularly a Romney supporter, but I'm also not willing to go over the cliff on this election and help nominate someone that has no chance of beating Obama.
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:00pm.
Vote for the American in November
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:20pm.
rally in Rhode Island-
What despicable slime...Isn't this charming? I have heard nothing about this in the MSM, and I'm pretty sure I won't.
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:30pm.
Yep, Occupy is just like the Tea Party. /sarcasm off
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 ///
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:49pm.
tell us that the Occupy "movement" is the left's version of the Tea Party?...Yeah, right. Why is it that I don't seem to remember the same types of behavior taking place at Tea Party rallies, or from individual Tea Party members? Oh, I know why...Because it's never happened.
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:24pm.
Don't forget Florida is part suburban yankeeland thanks to all those liberal nawthun yankee transplants.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 1:45pm.
much of northern Florida votes very differently from the rest of the state.
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:14pm.
How correct you are. I just believe that the transplants had a lot to do with the establishment candidate winning.
Check your PM
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 5:30pm.
I believe that there are many conservatives out there, like myself, who are not supporting Gingrich and will not vote for him in the primaries/caucuses...That said, if he does get the nomination, I will support him.
I am from the panhandle of Florida (not a transplant), although I don't live there now, but if I did, I would not have voted for Gingrich. I have a number of issues with him, and in fact, I am not thrilled with any of our candidates this time around...I don't believe that Gingrich is the best of them, nor do I believe that he has the best chance to beat Obama, which for me, is what this all boils down to. I know this sentiment is not popular with some, but it's how I feel.I wish so badly that we had a strong, conservative, Reaganesque candidate that would not only have the support of the right, but also of the Independents, which is necessary to defeat Obama, but the fact is that we do not.
Submitted by kilrod on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 2:45pm.
It's a tad early to call the race for anybody. A lot can still happen. 4 Down, 46 to Go.
"Let The Good Times Roll"
kilrod "the Birther"
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
Submitted by helomech on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:07pm.
think Romney is the person for the job and in this race I still think he's going to lose against the Annointed One.
Why can't the people pick up on the warning signs like how the GOP and DNC both want Romney as the nonmination? That alone should make people stop and take notice..
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:17pm.
Dem Congressman: West "Not Representative Of African-American Community"
(apologies if someone has already linked this)
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 3:23pm.
Courtesy- Philip Klein (who's excellent in analysis, btw. Highly recommend following his twitter feed.)
Testimony to Congress Transcript:
"Higher tax rates on work, on balance, reduce work effort. Higher tax rates on the return to saving, on balance, reduces the amount of saving."
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 5:05pm.
Let's say that next year a GOP controlled House and Senate pass a balanced budget. Does anyone here really think that Romney, or Gingrich would veto it? We know that Obama would, until he got the spending he wanted, deficits be damned.
Until the primaries are over I will oppose Romney, then after that we have to close ranks and UNITE !
Submitted by Founders1791 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 7:38pm.
The anatomy of BIASED journalism and "Election Steering"
WashPost says "Sweep", CNN says "Thump", DrudgeReport says "Landslide"
When there is only a 14pt difference and no one above 50%, it is hardly a "landslide".
Romney versus Gingrich
( 46 vs 32 FL 14pts )
Gingrich versus Romney
( 40 vs 28 SC 12pts )
You decide. Can you with a straight face say this isn't hyperbole and bias.
----- ? LANDSLIDE ? -------
! MATT DRUDGE ON THE TAKE !
----- ? LANDSLIDE ? -------
Matt Drudge information aggregator ran nonstop negative headlines all week featuring Newt Gingrich (and his wife!)
Matt Drudge also engaged in wild hyperbole in declaring Mitt Romney the winner "by a landslide" when there were only a 14pt difference and no one above 50%.
Mitt Romney ran 13,000 negative ads, hear in Florida, that were flat out lies, especially those challenging Newt's conservative leadership.
SHAMELESS LIES that expose exactly why he wasn't trusted in 2008: Mitt FLIPPED on RomneyCare, Gun Control, and Abortion. TRUST IS EARNED.
Mitt Romney has NO WINS in his record FOR CONSERVATIVE IDEAS. (RINO)
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 8:33pm.
After telling elderly Jewish people that Mitt was going to feed them pork (or some other unclean food), the shark jumper doesn't need a curtain call.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 02/02/2012 - 2:57pm.
And Gingrich was running around Florida calling Romney "desperate"? Take a look in the mirror, Newt.
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 9:41pm.
UPDATED: Not allowed on GA ballot: beginning of the end for #Obama?
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 10:02pm.
There is no doubt whatsoever that Obama will be on the ballot in GA..
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 10:04pm.
Wouldn't this need to be seen by the State SC, before they would remove him from the ballet? And it's funny that Illinois is looking at this as well.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 10:16pm.
I don't know, but anyone who believes the first black president of the U.S. is going to be removed from ANY ballot is kidding themselves, lol. It ain't going to happen.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 10:08pm.
Apparently, mandates are now a good thing.
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