Open Thread: Electric Cars Failing Worldwide
Today's starter topic: Despite billions of dollars in taxpayer corporate welfare, electric vehicles are failing to sell everywhere, not just in this country. The results worldwide are showing that Obama's subsidies for vehicles no one wants are failing even more than you'd think:
The Daily Mail reported that sales of electric cars in the United Kingdom have fallen so sharply that there are now more charging stations than there are vehicles. If you thought the flaccid U.S. sales of the Chevy Volt (7,671 units) and Nissan Leaf (9,674 units) were a letdown – despite significant government funding for research and development, batteries, charging systems, and a $7,500 tax credit for buyers – the signs from Europe won’t lift spirits.
“Just 2,149 electric cars have been sold since 2006, despite a government scheme last year offering customers up to £5,000 (about $7,700 U.S. dollars) towards the cost of a vehicle,” the U.K. newspaper reported. “The Department for Transport says that around 2,500 charging points have been installed, although their precise location is not known.” That’s just 430 cars sold per year. [...]
The aversion to EVs exists north of the border as well, where the Montreal Gazette reported there are “so many green cars, so few buyers” as “automakers keep pushing electrics, despite slow sales.” Only 58,000 of the 18 million vehicles sold in Canada the last 11 years were hybrids.
And as if to add a final stake of debunking to the propaganda that heralded EVs for nearly all of 2011, Motley Fool analyst Alex Planes characterized the build-up as leading to a “big face-plant,” calling the year-long romance “America’s sad love affair with the electric car.”
Will the American media ever wise up and realize just how wasteful it is to subsidize a product for mass distribution that no one wants? Do you think that conservative politicians should make more of an issue about this?
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Gimme 1.2 Trillion
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:55am.
Sniff, sniff, OTAY
Battery production, it's
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:58am.
Battery production, it's materials and residue, and battery disposal are VERY caustic and toxic - there is NOTHING 'environmentally friendly' about it. And where does electricity come from, anyway??? Lemme see...............EVIL 'fossil fuels', FILTHY coal, RADIOACTIVE nuclear................I thought those sources were the 'enemy'???
If they'd just put a solar panel and a windmill on these cars, they'd probably sell a lot more.
One more important point about these cars....
Submitted by WhoIsJohnGalt on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:41pm.
Is that all the rare earth metals used in the production of the batteries MUST come from China, since they are the only country in the world (that has the ability to mine them) that will allow the very destructive mining that is required to obtain the raw materials. So, if we did end up with a million electric cars on the road...we'd be beholden to China, and over a barrel when it comes to price.
You mean we're not allready
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:52pm.
You mean we're not allready 'beholden' to China??? And as far as being 'over a barrel'............Boy Barry has hammered our own 'barrel' production, while investing 'our' (and Soros') money in Brazilian oil drilling, and it appears that the Canadians might just send their oil - by way of Warren Buffet's railroad trains - to China...................so we'll be even MORE 'beholden' and 'over a barrel'.
You can't make this sh*t up!!!!
Hay killa my Asian friend, l@@kie what Hawaii has planned.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:42pm.
Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited...
Hawaii's legislature is weighing an unprecedented proposal to curb the privacy of Aloha State residents: requiring Internet providers to keep track of every Web site their customers visit.
Looks like dial-up will be faster than running all internet traffic through the states Commodore 64...
You Didn't Build That.
Correct.
Submitted by dr-go on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:25pm.
Battery power is an old, very dirty technology and under no circumstance can it be considered green.
Show of hands
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:02pm.
Show of hands who thought this was a surprise? Libs, you don't count, you guys were pushing for this boondoggle for the longest time.
-Jon
electric cars
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:01pm.
with an add for a Citizen folding bike on the upper right of the screen - Nice!
And Vegans Are Hanging Themselves...
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:03pm.
But this cannot be true.
Obyssmal declared that we would have copious amounts of green energy, and he is GOD!!!
The Obamination... A crisis leading to a catastrophe..(please donate to MRC)
Here's the first part of an AP article on Rick Santorum
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:06pm.
It's nice to see the AP is doing their best to be even-handed. I think it's a sickness.
AP
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 12:43am.
AP: The cash-strapped candidate acknowledges that he simply can't keep up with the GOP front-runners in Florida. YES, its working!!!! uhhhh, we mean, we feel his pain and are sorry to hear that.
Well duh...
Submitted by NeoKong on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:08pm.
There is nothing cheap, easy or convenient about them.
Plus on top of that we have to pretend that we don't realize where the electricity comes from.
we have to pretend that we don't realize where the electricity..
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:49pm.
we have to pretend that we don't realize where the electricity comes from
...right - 70% fossil fuel (natural gas / coal) 20% nuclear
And what and how much energy is used making batteries, yet alone the ant-green aspect of disposing of them. Did anyone think this through? Must have been some low IQ conservatives...
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Drill baby drill
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:09pm.
It took the oil crises in the late 1960s and early 1970s to bring electric cars back on the agenda. Briefly, Ford, GM and AMC were interested in compact prototypes. But the subsequent drop in fuel prices signaled an end to the innovation. \
And one wonders why no pipeline...Government GET OUT OF BUSINESS YOU SUCK AT IT.
In Hawaii a crazy solar panel and windmill state... the airports workers have all these electric golf carts, with roofs covered with solar panels, guess where the workers park them, in the shade out of the sun...
You Didn't Build That.
This is EXACTLY what was expected
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:13pm.
By those who follow history and have a modicum of common sense and just a hint of how the free market works. By dumping a huge amount more funding into these companies than they would have ever gotten under "normal" circumstances, it caused them to move ahead much more quickly than they ever should have. That allowed them to show artificial growth and expansion when there was no market for their products.
Because the government gave them all these subsidies, it in effect caused their catastrophic collapse.
Electric cars have two major hurdles to get over before they can HOPE to compete with conventional fuel or even hybrid vehicles. 1) the range issue: 40-50 miles on a single charge is not anywhere near far enough for most people to gamble on. 2) the time to re-charge: even if the range is in the area where you are comfortable, the fact that it will take hours to re-charge makes even this small group of folks think twice.
The initial market is thus going to be people who like the idea and have another vehicle to use when necessary. The Nissan Leaf and the BMW SmartCar are aimed at the wrong segment. It is almost ALWAYS the high-end segment that gets the innovations first because they are expensive until they cross the production barrier that brings their cost down. The government is trying to force these new technologies into the high-volume middle of the market and it is just not going to work.
Just think back to how the portable computer market started... Or the HD Flat screen TV market started. etc. etc.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Yeah, but they make nice pyrotechnics...
Submitted by KyWriter on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:13pm.
...when the batteries catch on fire.
I've been waiting for an Open Thread to check this out.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:14pm.
I received the email below from a friend who says that it is authentic, but I would like anyone on NB who may know to confirm it, please.
If it is true, it seems that the Soros/Obama cabal has figured out (they think) a way to negate the Second Amendment. Since they can't repeal the right to own weapons, they will simply buy up the total capacity to manufacture weapons and ammunition, or at least a significant portion of it.
I have already heard from people I know who load their own ammunition how difficult it has become to get the supplies they need for that hobby, so I would not doubt for a moment that Soros would put his money to work in this manner to control the US citizens.
This is scary Shiite if it is true. What can't he buy?
Thanks.
Subject: Who is buying gun companies
SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING
Who is buying companies, manufacturing guns ?????
For the last several years a company called The Freedom
Group has been buying up gun and ammunition manufacturers.
Some of the companies are Bushmaster, Marlin, Remington,
DPMS, Dakota Arms and H&R.
Some people worry that this Freedom Group is going to
control most of the firearms companies in the United States.
If you control the manufacturers you can decide to
stop selling to civilians. What a perfect way to control guns.
Now if you do some digging you will see that The Freedom
Group is owned by a company called Cerberus Capital
Management. A very large privately owned LLP
with assets of $13 billion. The company is named after the
three headed dog that guards the gates to hell. [Nice touch?
Guess who controls Cerberus??? GEORGE SOROS !!!!!!!!! One of
the most evil men on this planet who wants to restrict
or ban all civilian guns.
Please pass this on to all your freedom loving friends. This
needs to come out. Why have we not heard about
this in the "mainstream" media? I would think this would
be BIG news. (Soros also owns Progressive Insurance.)
If you don't know who George Soros is, you need to do some
research. He backed Obama with multi-millions of
dollars and Obama is often characterized as a puppet on
a string, controlled by Soros.
NewsbubbaFollowing Record 2011, Gun Sales Looking Good for 2012
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:56pm.
As sales climb, recent FBI data shows violent crime continuing to fall in the United States, with homicides dropping out of the top 15 causes of death in the country. The statistics undermine a favorite argument of anti-gun groups that "more guns equal more crime."
"These statistics vividly demonstrate that the lawful possession and use of firearms by law-abiding Americans does not cause crime," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. "There have never been more firearms in civilian possession in the history of the United States, and crime, including homicide, continues to decline throughout the country."
Snopes sez false.
Everything is getting more expensive,(except houses) the paper dollar is just paper.
Ammo sales...
Hawaii hates guns so the prices here are 3 times higher tax baby tax!
Whats the deal with gold jumping 70 bucks in a day and a half.
You Didn't Build That.
Well this is what I found out for you on this
Submitted by texusmc on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:31pm.
Hope it helps.
http://ronaldwinter.blogspot.com/2011/10/romney-huntsman-and-soros-devil...
received an email from a veteran friend yesterday passing along a story that has been making the rounds on the Internet for some time now – at least a year - warning of a possible takeover of the American arms and ammunition industry by leftist billionaire George Soros, who supposedly would then shut it down.
I started researching the information in the email, found some of it to be factual – although I can't say whether its conclusions are accurate. But of far more importance was that my research led me to an apparent connection between Soros and GOP presidential contender and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney!
This as the Romney camp is doing everything it can to downplay reports that Romney staffers have had numerous contacts with the Barack Obama White House.
The email said that the Freedom Group, a company that has been in the firearms business since the early 1800s recently bought out ammunition manufacturer Barnes Bullets. Freedom Group is owned by Cerberus Capital Management L. P. which many people say is "controlled" by billionaire leftist George Soros.
That really is the big question here. Is Cerberus Capital Management "George Soros Controlled" as is claimed in many Internet posts? Soros does not appear on the board of directors or any list of corporate officers, yet he is repeatedly held up as controlling the firm.
I have not found anything that says Soros controls or has any other connection to Cerberus, but some notable Republicans do, including former Vice President Dan Quayle.
The email listed numerous firearms businesses that are owned by Freedom Group Inc., which again, is owned by Cerberus, and opined that Soros may be attempting to circumvent Americans' 2nd Amendment rights by controlling the market on American firearms and ammo. By ending all sales of civilian arms and ammunition he could the put a stranglehold on one of America's most basic rights - according to the email.
I’ll say up front that the Internet has a spotted record regarding sending out conspiracy theory emails so I always take them with a grain of salt until I do my own research. Often someone responds with a counter email that warns readers to check out the alleged implications with Snopes or Fact Check; except that both of those outlets turned out to be less than balanced themselves.
So I do my own work. What I found on this issue went far beyond what was in the original email. I learned that Freedom Group has indeed purchased Barnes Bullets and does own a significant portion of the American arms industry – which in itself raises the issue of whether a monopoly is being formed regardless of who owns or "controls" it.
On its website Freedom Group describes itself thus: About Freedom Group, Inc. Freedom Group is the world’s leading innovator, designer, manufacturer, and marketer of firearms, ammunition, and related products for the hunting, shooting sports, law enforcement, and military markets. As one of the largest manufacturers in the world of firearms and ammunition, we have some of the most globally recognized brands including Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS/Panther Arms, Marlin, Harrington & Richardson, Dakota Arms, L.C. Smith, Parker, EOTAC, and INTC.
But there is much more.
At the bottom of Freedom Group's website I found a drop-down menu that led to various company documents including one that said former Board of Directors member W. Grant Gregory resigned earlier this year in a streamlining process. Wondering who W. Grant Gregory is, I did a search for him and he popped up on the Notable Names Database as a member of Mitt Romney's team in his run for the presidency!
Here's the link. http://www.nndb.com/org/745/000167244/
I couldn't help but wonder why a guy who is on the board of directors of any group that is tied in any way to George Soros also is listed as a big-time supporter of a top-tier candidate for the GOP nomination to challenge the guy whose presidency many people believe was purchased by George Soros. IF being the operative word, regarding whether Soros actually has any control over Cerberus.
Bloomberg BusinessWeek profiled Gregory saying: Mr. W. Grant Gregory has been the Chairman of Gregory & Hoenemeyer, Inc. (merchant banking) since 1988. Mr. Gregory spent 24 years at Touche Ross & Co., a corporate processor of the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu international accounting firm, serving from 1982 to 1986 as its Chairman. While at Touche Ross, Mr. Gregory became an internationally- acclaimed authority on Tax Policy and Economic Development and participated in a number of M&A transactions and restructurings. He ... has been Vice Chairman of Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. since 2005. In the mid-1980's, he served as a member of the U.S. Trade Representative's advisory committee on international trade in services. Mr. Gregory has been a Director of Verizon Business since August 2003. Mr. Gregory has been a Director of Doubleclick Inc. since its inception in January 1996 and Fuel-Tech, Inc. since August 2011. Mr. Gregory has been a Director of Ambac Financial Group Inc. since 1991 and Lead Independent Director since 2004. He serves as a Director of Junior Achievement, Inc. Mr. Gregory served as a Director of InaCom Corp. Mr. Gregory served as a Director of MCI Group since August 29, 2003. Mr. Gregory served as a Director of Worldcom Group (formerly WorldCom Inc.). Mr. Gregory graduated with distinction from the University of Nebraska in 1964, where he was later awarded an Honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters, as well as the Builder Award, the University's highest non-academic recognition. Mr. Gregory completed Advanced Management studies at New York University and Harvard University's Graduate School of Business and attended the Air Force War College.
Vice Chair of Cerberus Group! The firm that George Soros allegedly "controls?" And a supporter of Mitt Romney too!
Did you see today that the White House came out criticizing Romney for being a flip-flopper? Which is incredibly suspicious since it was just revealed that Romney staffers have been having regular meetings at the Obama White House apparently to discuss national health care!
What's up with that? Sounds like damage control for Romney seeing as how people don't like his ties to Obama.
Considering what resulted from a fairly cursory Internet search on Freedom Group I also wondered who else is on the list of Romney supporters, which contains dozens of big money people – two of the most common descriptions on the list are "CEO" and "Billionaire" – so I spent some time going over the entire alphabetized list.
When I got to the "H" section I found none other than Jon Huntsman – former Obama Administration Ambassador to China and GOP presidential contender who is still in the race against Romney! What the hell is going on under the covers out there?
Now, I'll be the first to admit that these connections are tenuous at best. Maybe the "Soros-controlled" Cerberus organization is actually a bunch of conservative businessman and Soros really doesn't have any control over it. But maybe they still should be investigated for trying to create a monopoly.
And maybe Huntsman was a Romney supporter before he launched his own campaign and will go back to being a Romney supporter when he runs out of campaign money and still hasn't gotten out of the single digits in the polls. Also, it could very well be that Romney doesn’t know where his money is coming from, although that certainly would lead to questions about his control of his own campaign and of course his competence.
I am not claiming to have any answers to these questions, but the existence of a person who some say is a George Soros associate on a list of Mitt Romney's inner circle is troubling at best and the voters deserve an explanation. Maybe someone can explain what the connection supposedly is between Soros and Cerberus.
That at least would be a great place to start.
Tex, you must be a jarhead.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 4:51pm.
That was f-ing beautiful!
Too bad people like you don't work for the AP or Fox news, or they may, but just don't want the truth to get out.
Thanks. Now I can go to Happy Hour.
Monopoly on Manufacturing
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 2:11pm.
If the "wrong people" buy all the means of production, and then shut down the plants, what's to prevent an enterprising person from opening a new plant to meet existing demand?
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
What's to stop them?
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 12:46am.
Why Regulations, permits, and EIS.
We Are The 53%
I guess they ran out of gas!
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:20pm.
Electric Cars Failing Worldwide
I guess they ran out of gas!
I got a charge out of dat, jk!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:30pm.
!
Repeat, ad nauseum
Submitted by dbo on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:19pm.
State of the Union, January 24, 2012
"In three years, our partnership with the private sector has already positioned America to be the world’s leading manufacturer of high-tech batteries."
Obama-backed electric car battery-maker files for bankruptcy, January 26, 2012
An Indiana-based energy-storage company, whose subsidiary received a $118.5 million stimulus grant from the Energy Department, filed for bankruptcy Thursday...The Energy Department in 2009 approved a $118.5 million stimulus grant for EnerDel, a subsidiary of the company that develops lithium-ion batteries used in electric vehicles
How about another alternate energy source?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:33pm.
Since Obama is soooooo great at manufacturing it, why not have GM (after all, the RBFSOB owns it) build a car that will run on pure, unadulterated bullshiite?
I see an endless supply of fuel coming out of Washington, DC for the next few years.
Hey! It could work!
Saw in one of the farm
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 2:51pm.
Saw in one of the farm magazines a few months back where a farmer was using his bull and cow shitite to power his tractors. He had a system that could capture the methane. You know there is enough shitite in DC to power a power plant to run the city forever.
Electric Car FAIL
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:40pm.
The only way I see electric cars becoming successful requires 1) low cost electricity (nuclear power) and 2) vastly improved batteries.
Item #1 means idiot liberals (but I repeat myself) would have to support new Nuke electric plants. This guarantees we will never, ever see widespread use of electric cars.
Item #2 would require current "super-battery" candidates such as the Nano-wire battery or EEStor's capacitor to become mass producible. So far neither has reached that point.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Batteries, that lead-acid on in your car now.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:23pm.
The one in your car is the best all around battery.... that battery style has been around for 200 years.
Gasoline has many times the energy density of any sort of new fangeled battery
My favorite car...
Designers anticipated that a typical Ford Nucleon would be able to travel about 5,000 miles per charge. The idea never took off because reactors that small weren’t possible at the time and the shielding needed would have weighed down the car excessively. But it’s not really that bad of an idea. The US Navy has a 100% perfect record of nuclear safety with their subs. It’s greener than a lot of other technologies, who knows, maybe we’ll see some nuclear Honda’s out there come 2020.
You Didn't Build That.
Glow in the Dark Shade Tree Mechanics
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:45pm.
"But it’s not really that bad of an idea."
I don't know about you, but I'm rather leery about letting all those Shade Tree Mechanics get their hands on a sub-compact nuclear reactor! That's all we need, some "do it yourself" type running into the house saying: Honey, I irradiated the Kids! I mean, really, look how many people burn down their own house just trying to deep fry a Turkey! Now imagine those people getting ahold of their own little nuclear reactor!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Think of the lives saved if we ban gasoline.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 2:15pm.
Don't people go to jail for sawing off the catalytic converters?
The Stratospheric Protection Division can expand their reach. They been hard at work healing the ozone layer, chasing and jailing refrigerant smugglers.
And of course parking that sucker in a building somewhere packed with fertilizer.
Technology a danger to all.
You Didn't Build That.
Electric car nonsense
Submitted by billyjack on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:43pm.
An electric vehicle will produce more carbon dioxide emissions and use more energy than its gasoline counterpart of the same size and weight. For example, let’s use our Hollywood activists impressing his friends with his overpriced electric vehicle powered by an electrical power plant burning coal on a Navajo Indian reservation in Arizona. For comparison purposes there are 115,000 Btu’s in a gallon of gasoline that will take a car of comparable size to the electric around 40 miles. Therefore a gasoline car will use 2875 Btu’s per mile. Meanwhile burning 115,000 btu’s of coal loses around 70% of its energy content in the conversion from coal to heat to steam to mechanical energy(generator) to electricity. (There’s a little problem called entropy where energy that does work creates losses in the form of lost heat, noise, friction, etc.) So of the original energy content we get 34,500 Btu’s of electricity. We’re not through yet because we lose another 5% warming bird’s feet in the power line going 1500 miles to Los Angeles. Then we convert the electrical energy to chemical energy (charging a battery) another 40% to 60% loss. Then we convert back to electricity to drive the wheel train another 10% minimum until we finally show up at the Oscars. So from the original 115,000 Btu’s of coal burned we probably get to utilize less than 15,000 Btu’s to actually move the vehicle. Assuming that the electric car also gets 40 miles to 115,000 btu’s we would have to burn about 900,000 Btu’s of coal to generate enough electricity to go the same distance as 1 gallon of gasoline. In short, the only accomplishment of the electric car is to move its emissions to Arizona rather than down town Los Angeles make a Hollywood moron feel good and increase fossil fuel demand.
It's a lighting strike!
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:20pm.
I never did understand how people could claim that using electrons, which are so small, so light, and, therefor so weak, that, even when moving at near light speed, it takes hundreds of billions of them working in unison just to light a 5 watt flashbulb for less than a millisecond is more "efficient " than the power of entire molecules, which are thousands of time larger, and millions of times heaver, expanding at the rate of thousands of feet per second, like you find in internal combustion engine.
Tell me, all you "enlightened," so called "experts," out there, which has more power: a million ants or a thousand elephants? Trust me, "experts," that ant really can't more that rubber tree plant. That elephant, on the other hand, can not only move that plant, it will also simultaneously move the all dirt around it for a 100 feet as well. So, tell me, which one is more efficient, elephant or the ant? The molecule or the electron? Here's what those "experts" keep forgetting: "economy of scale" works at the atomic level too.
No wonder those batteries run out so quickly. All those tiny electrons are tired of being forced to do all that heavy work, the work that molecules should be doing! They're calling a lighting strike!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
⇒ Not only that, Cobra
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 4:16pm.
But a gasoline powered vehicle draws half of its power from the air.
An interesting article.
Submitted by Par for the Course on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:43pm.
Funny headline: "Battery maker on verge of going terminals-up"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:45pm.
H/T Malkin
It's no wonder...
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:50pm.
"The Department for Transport says that around 2,500 charging points have been installed, although their precise location is not known."
It's no wonder that the sales of electric cars are so dismal in the UK. Not even their own Transportation department knows where they can charge up the damned things! HAH!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Electric Cars DO sell
Submitted by philkerner on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:06pm.
They're called "golf carts." So THERE!
I want an electric car!!
Submitted by reddog339 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:11pm.
As soon as I have an extra $150,000 I don't need I 'll buy a failing electric car. $ 150,000 includes car, charging station, insurance premium increase when failed car battery sets my house on fire and money for shrink to set my mind straight.
Those "peaceful" Mooooooooslims
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:14pm.
Right.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave, what do you wanna bet the technology to print that shirt
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:35pm.
was developed by some company in the World Trade Center?
They want the 7 Th century, by all means lets give it to them. And it won't take that long.
You Didn't Build That.
ucw,
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:20pm.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
If we had to rely on the MSM
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 6:26pm.
crap like this would never be known. Thanks Dave for keeping us informed.
Well this is what I found out for you
Submitted by texusmc on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:31pm.
http://ronaldwinter.blogspot.com/2011/10/romney-huntsman-and-soros-devil...
Electric cars? maybe
Submitted by Bradford on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:31pm.
The bums in the Michigan capitol have decided to increase our gasoline taxes again because 5th in the nation isn't close enough to 1st and we want to be 1st in something around here. If they keep it up maybe more people will consider electric.
If they keep it up...
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:54pm.
If they keep it up, the only "electric" people will be considering is which type electric chair that will be used to fry the politicians!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Or move
Submitted by IdahoJim on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:46pm.
To a more tax friendly state.
IdahoJim
http://idahoandy.net
It's only a proposal, Brad./sarc
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 12:26am.
They're only in the "research stage" right now. It's just an idea being floated.
And, you left out the other shoe to drop, the 66% increase in the cost of vehicle registrations.
reVOLT America!
Submitted by billb on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:36pm.
reVOLT America!
One more for the list
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:59pm.
This is one more for the list of impeachment charges that continues to grow and Congress continues to do nothing.
Granted, it's from Infowars, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.
Soetoro signed global internet treaty-worse than SOPA in Oct 2011
Apparently what's in the Senate version is part of the demand on the part of the WH to ratify this treaty but not many people know this is an international treaty....kinda like what happened with Kyoto, remember that?
-Jon
jon,
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:47pm.
Yeah, the whole SOPA/PIPA dust up was just a diversion.
If congress doesn't stand up to the Dear Ruler over this, I think we may as well count them out, as they have totally abdicated their oversight responsibilities in just about every area.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Maybe the Dear Ruler is secretly funneling money to them
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:51pm.
...and it's killing their companies.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
⇒ Obama quote of the day
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 4:07pm.
"I make a mistake, you know, every hour, every day." - President Obama
Like, you know, DUH!
Yeah, but you notice that he
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 4:17pm.
Yeah, but you notice that he didn't really elaborate.................and I'll bet you that his version of a 'mistake' is about 180 degrees different than our version of a 'mistake'..........as is just about everything else that he does.
Shut up, Beavis!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:34pm.
When I saw that, I thought that was a statement by the immortals Beavis and Butthead.
-Jon
B-H O'Bama
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:59pm.
B-H O'Bama: I got a tattoo of a butt on my butt.
Bidenholio: I need more TP for my bunghole.
Heh-heh that's cool heh-heh
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 6:15pm.
I have a tattoo on my butt too. heh-heh.
It says heh-heh "Exit Only" heh heh-heh
⇒ SNAP Diddy BO
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 6:30pm.
Did y'all catch where SNAP Diddy BO says George Bush is the Food Stamp President?
George Lucas's movie
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 6:33pm.
Remember the "racist" film industry that wouldn't support Lucas's movie about the Tuskagee Airmen? A review in our local paper yesterday gave it 2 stars. The ads look horrible. Lucas cannot make a good movie on his own.
Another Friday night document dump on Fast and Furious
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:42pm.
So far, the only thing I can find on it if from NPR. They say this, in part:
Not to mention Carrie Johnson, NPR, the death of a border agent and likely hundreds of deaths in Mexico.
This from Weasel Zippers
Submitted by ant on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:55pm.
More brilliance from the most-creasest pants wearing President ever;
"I want an economy..where we're making stuff and selling stuff and moving it around..and UPS drivers are dropping things off everywhere."
-B. Hussein in Las Vegas. Four more years and we are doomed.
Well, ant, as
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 12:05am.
Well, ant, as stooooooooooooooopid as this statement was (as the Aussies say - 'GET STUFFED'!!!), he DID mention UPS, which just MIGHT get the job done............he didn't mention the USPS, did he??
I'm wonderin' (Obamaspeak) if UPS has contributed to the Boy BlahBlah crusade. I hope not.......but I'm sure that he could make their life really difficult if he wanted to.
Hey...........Barry..............where's my STUFF???? Hahahahahahahaha!!! What an imbecile!!!
Oh - and ant..............is this a coherent business model and economic plan?? Could WE get a job with a line like this???
Killa to prospective client: well, I want to move stuff, and then build stuff, and then get some stuff on the roof, and put some stuff inside, and make the stuff look nice............and then you pay me a lot of money for all of this stuff.
Prospective client to Killa - GET STUFFED!!!!
KIlla, UPS is a union company.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 12:36am.
The employees, for the most part, are represented by the Teamsters. Remember Jimmy Hoffa the Younger calling most of us sons of bitches back on Labor Day? Fed-Ex is not unionized, at least as far as I can find.
Well, that's too
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 3:16am.
Well, that's too bad..................they run a pretty tight ship. I'm sorry to hear that they're part of the pro-Obama team - at least on the Union end of it.
Unions are blood-suckers who skim from the employers AND the employees.
ROTFLMAO!
Submitted by ant on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 1:32am.
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What we need..
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 12:38am.
.........is a dictator so he can ban all gasoline cars. That way we'll be forced to buy electric or nothing, and voilà, Utopia!!
I can't understand why they are not selling.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 1:47am.
Let's say you buy one ---
You can't drive it to work unless work is less than 10 miles away.
You can't drive it out of town unless "out of town" is less than 10 miles away.
You can't drive it in the cold because the heater would run down the battery.
You can't drive it in the heat because air conditioning would run down the battery.
You can't drive it at night because headlights would run down the battery.
You can't listen to the radio because that would run down the battery.
You can have power steering, power brakes, powered windows, powered locks, or a lighted instrument cluster because that would run down the battery.
You can't have any passengers or groceries or luggage because the additional load runs down the battery.
Other than that, I just fail to see why these things are not selling like hotcakes.
Good evening Vet
Submitted by cocodrie on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 2:38am.
You left out the advantages. You could stop at the grocery after leaving work 5 miles from home if it's on the the way. When you get home you could roast your supper in the passenger seat and use the car for a foot warmer til you go to bed. I'll admit it's only a one time benefit, but can you think of a better use for your money?
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Good morning cocodrie
Submitted by ant on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 11:36am.
One other advantage and maybe part of Obama's jobs plan. Since we're going to encourage Chinese tourism to Disneyworld, every tourist could bring a suitcase of coal over with them so we can fire up all those electrical generators. Maybe they'll even take it off our tab..it's a win-win.
The Biggest Advantage
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 12:57pm.
The biggest advantage to an electric car is if you park it at the golf course, you don't have to pay for a cart.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Global Warming Cooled--Again!
Submitted by berlet98 on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 1:49pm.
Global Warming Cooled--Again!
It’s been going on for years now, too many years, the greatest scam since Eve convinced Adam that apples were tasty and thus condemned mankind to lives of pain and suffering, and to mortality.
The saddest irony is that the global warming charade has been perpetrated by the most influential international body on Earth and perpetuated by the most powerful nation in the world. And, for very explicable geopolitical reasons, the U.N. and the U.S. consistently get away with it.
There was no censure after warming-scammers were outed as United Nations’ shills in 2009. There was no position re-assessment following a petition signed by 31,487 global warming-refuting scientists. There was no condemnation of character assassination of highly reputable climatologists who disagreed with the conventional, politically correct climate wisdom.
(See “Global Climate Frauds,” http://bit.ly/yZgqhs.)
Now the massive warming sham has been de-bunked once again, which is not to suggest the new revelations will make a difference any more than previous evidence and multiple scandals changed official mindsets.
When there are literally trillions of dollars at stake, reputations to defend, sinecures and individual wallets to be protected, facts and truth take back seats to propaganda.
The fact that cyclical global warming ended in 1997 and the truth that allegations of man-made global warming are a travesty were revealed last week by the British. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=12366.)
berlet98, Yea Here is my favorite Cool article this year.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 2:13pm.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/19/global-temps-in-a-crash-as-agw-pro...
You Didn't Build That.
Crackers in Georgia Ruskie style
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 2:20pm.
President Obama mistakenly referred to the nation of Georgia as "Russia" after a bilateral meeting with the Georgian president -- an unfortunate slip-up, given that the president was celebrating 20 years of Georgian independence from Soviet rule.
So O'bama going to visit some of the other Soviet wanna be commie spin off nations? PLEASE DON'T
This is probably on Blonds list already, arg hahaha
You Didn't Build That.